Charcoal HQ

Mithrandir

6:07 PM

@Magisch me

Doorknob

Possibly Emrakul and Deusovi, not sure

Magisch

I know minitech was under 18 when elected, not sure about now

M.A.R.

minitech was 16

There's an AU mod which was 16 when elected too

JRG or something like that

ArtOfCode

I was 16 when I was elected. No longer, sadly.

M.A.R.

Why sadly?

Byte Commander

Growing up sucks.

Kritixi Lithos

6:20 PM

You get more responsibilities and stuff

Byte Commander

Problem is that you realize it too late to value your youth as you should

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 3200 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.

stackoverflow: 93
superuser: 21
unix: 18
meta: 18
askubuntu: 18
english: 16
drupal: 13
math: 13
codegolf: 11
money: 11
gis: 10
wordpress: 9
ell: 9
worldbuilding: 8
electronics: 8
security: 8
salesforce: 8
mathematica: 8
rpg: 8
ru.stackoverflow: 7
es.stackoverflow: 7
academia: 7
raspberrypi: 6
physics: 6
writers: 6
politics: 6
apple: 6
biology: 6
health: 5
civicrm: 5
scifi: 5
dba: 5
mathoverflow.net: 5
ethereum: 5
movies: 5
softwareengineering: 5
gamedev: 4
graphicdesign: 4
cs: 4
stats: 4
photo: 4

Kritixi Lithos

@ByteCommander But homework :(

M.A.R.

@ByteCommander I don't regret growing up, because it's inevitable

Byte Commander

@KritixiLithos I'm at university now, that argument sounds hilarious to me...

M.A.R.

6:23 PM

I'll be at a university in a few months

Byte Commander

Btw, I should be studying for that economy exam tomorrow, but my head is still melted from the Maths exam today.

Kritixi Lithos

I have an essay draft due tomorrow, yet I am here glued to SE

Byte Commander

sounds easy

better than a week full of exams

Kritixi Lithos

you got a point there

M.A.R.

@KritixiLithos Meh, prolly will just sleep three hours less

SmokeDetector

6:28 PM

Restart: API quota is 9949.

Undo

@ArtOfCode Reverted your last metasmoke change; mousedown just means "the link was clicked" which gains us nothing

ArtOfCode

@Undo click-start, actually, which makes approximately 300-400ms difference to the load-start point on a desktop - which is a significant portion of an MS page load time. I suggested that because mouseover is significantly more server load, but if you're happy that MS can handle it, then sure

Undo

Huh, interesting

ArtOfCode

well, if you click and hold on a link, you don't get navigated away - the load only starts when you release.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Non-English link in answer, non-Latin link in answer: Заміна "мітки" на "позначки" by TeHeBuK on ukrainian.SE

New metasmoke user 'user3351605' created

Recovered from WebSocketConnectionClosedException: Connection is already closed.

Restart: API quota is 9910.

M.A.R.

6:41 PM

stackoverflow.com/a/42516377/5210517 -- rude/abusive, I don't know how to report.

ArtOfCode

FDSC reports probably still work

M.A.R.

@ArtOfCode It didn't work.

Or maybe it did

I had FDSC on anyway

ArtOfCode

doesn't look like it

@SmokeDetector we need to disable these reasons for Ukrainian

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector N

SmokeDetector

6:56 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Strength Training and a Bad Back by Sehaa Online on fitness.SE

tpu- by tripleee

M.A.R.

7:31 PM

@Mith you there?

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. maybe

M.A.R.

@Mithrandir Harry and the Deathly Hollows is the seventh book in the series, right?

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. yes

Why?

M.A.R.

Thanks, needed it for an answer on ELL

@Mithrandir ell.stackexchange.com/a/120955/14111 .

ArtOfCode

7:54 PM

update: the S3 issue is also killing CI for metasmoke

and @Undo's avatar on GH has reverted to gravatar, which may or may not be related

at least EC2's okay

that would be a no

huh?

EC2 API error rates are up and new instances are not launching correctly

NobodyNada

oh. Metasmoke's still up though, so something is still working

ArtOfCode

7:56 PM

unlikely to be affecting the metasmoke server, unless Undo uses the API to manage it, but there are EC2 issues

Glorfindel

I made some changes today to the CMS of one of our customers, which is hosted on Amazon AWS. This may or may not be related :P

ArtOfCode

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ArtOfCode It's Mithrandir's fault.

ArtOfCode

Smokey got it wrong

Glorfindel

@ArtOfCode it still has a decent TP/FP rate, though.

Mithrandir

8:02 PM

@SmokeDetector nooooo

ArtOfCode

also today: GitHub has updated their TOS, including explicit global inbound=outbound licensing

angussidney

8:51 PM

@ArtOfCode we already specify that right?

ArtOfCode

aye, we just don't need to now

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Best method for measuring the user's understanding of a pilot app? by sarahdoody on ux.SE

Pops

@M.A.R. Ugh. Some poor guy just wants to learn English, and gets the best children's book series of a generation spoiled for him. Dangit, Internet.

Mithrandir

9:06 PM

@Pops And it's all my fault. :(

Magisch

@Pops Hey pops

ArtOfCode

ohai @Pops

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector I suggested an edit to remove the signature, so I guess...

@SmokeDetector f

Magisch

Just chilling or does anything in particular lead you to ~~the darkest recesses of SE chat~~ charcoal

:P

ArtOfCode

if you're here for a progress report, the best thing to give you is probably Andy's updated graph from last night

Pops

9:08 PM

@Magisch Well, I mean, charcoal is black, so I'm forced to agree with your struck through text.

Magisch

that was the joke

:p

Pops

JOKES ARE FUNNY, I GET JOKES

Magisch

On a serious note, spam has been getting rekt faster then ever

as you can see in ~~arts~~ @Andy 's graph

Andy

clears throat

Mithrandir

@ArtOfCode Wait, how did you put that up?

Magisch

9:09 PM

We're getting to the point where latency matters as to whether or not you get a flag in

ArtOfCode

@Mithrandir didn't, Andy did last night

CaffeineAddiction

@Pops ... you hear the joke about UDP?

Mithrandir

Ah.

rene

Do we have a policy on linking to specific MS reports from MSE on a post?

Andy

I'm so awesome that I knew the outage was coming, and uploaded first.

ArtOfCode

9:10 PM

@rene "do it if you want to" <--- there, I just made one

Pops

@CaffeineAddiction I might have, and I might not have, and it might not have arrived in the right order?

Andy

And now I have Everything is Awesome stuck in my head

CaffeineAddiction

;p

NobodyNada

@Pops :D

Pops

But no, I didn't, where were you going with that?

rene

9:11 PM

@ArtOfCode yeah, I dreamed up that one. But now I wonder what sane people would do ...

Undo

@Andy Shoulda told someone at Amazon

Magisch

We have over 130 users that let us use them for flags now

Andy

@Undo And waste my ability?! How can I use it to benefit myself? Next up...lottery numbers!

Pops

@Magisch To actually answer this, I've been thinking I should check in more regularly.

Magisch

Ahh

Very nice :)

J F

9:15 PM

@Undo Do you want to ask Pops now?

ArtOfCode

@JF pops ain't reponsible for the API

Undo

I know it's in the system (insider knowledge, yay)

ArtOfCode

I've been meaning to try to work out if v2.3 has it in already

Pops

Can't promise I'll always have news to report. Unfortunately this time I do have news and you're not going to like it, I talked with some dev type people and it looks like there's no bandwidth for working on the API anytime soon.

Magisch

Bandwith as in no new features for the api soon?

Undo

9:16 PM

@Pops That's sad :(

ArtOfCode

@Pops sounds like it's time to hire half of Charcoal as new devs </s>

2

Magisch

What about maybe a higher quota or something like that

Undo

But yeah, understandable. Happen to ask anyone about us using two API keys?

Pops

In other words, no to the network ID and undeletion in the API. I don't want to decline it forever, it's not something we're opposed to doing, there's just no time to do it now.

Still working on the increased quota issue. Hope to have news on that soon.

Undo

Great, thanks

Magisch

9:18 PM

Negative news still better then no news, so thanks :)

Jan Dvorak

Now, any news regarding whether we're allowed to mix up the spam flags with the offensive ones?

Undo

@JanDvorak That's not a staff thing.

ArtOfCode

yes, yes we are

Magisch

@ArtOfCode I've been meaning to ask, how hard would it be to implement flagging from MS page

Undo

not very

Magisch

9:20 PM

That'd be much more convenient then going to the post

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Best Practice for PHP by hares on wordpress.SE

ArtOfCode

dead easy

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Best Practice for PHP by hares on wordpress.SE

Magisch

I've been thinking 4 buttons: Spam | Offensive | NAA | FP

Undo

translate: چت قشم.چت درگهان.چت بندر.بندر چت. بوشهر چت.چت میهن.چت دنیا.شمال چت. چت روم موشی چت.چت موشی.نازی چت. چت .چت .چت

(from Persian) Chat chat chat derghan. port of Qeshm.. port of chat. Chat chat chat Bushehr. homeland. the world. North of chat. Mushi Mushi chat chat chat chat. Nazi. ". Chat chat chat. ".

ArtOfCode

9:20 PM

was meaning to do it today, but I've been on windows all day

Magisch

And each would also send the corresponding feedback

Undo

sd 2k

Jan Dvorak

Easy, yes, but we shouldn't be able to flag without seeing the post

Undo

metasmoke shows the post, or at least the rendered HTML which is enough

Magisch

@JanDvorak The MS page contains all the contents of the post

and more information

Mithrandir

9:22 PM

sd 2n

Jan Dvorak

True. But I saw some suggestions to put the link directly into chat

Pops

What do you mean mix up spam and offensive flags? That is a new question to me.

Undo

@Magisch Probably more likely to be a single button to flag as spam.

Mithrandir

@Pops Like autoflagging aasdfghjkl as spam.

Magisch

@Undo Sure, I mean

Undo

9:22 PM

@Pops There's an age-old... debate, I guess? about what red flags are appropriate. Same as the one in TL from a few days back.

Jan Dvorak

@Pops the bot doesn't distinguish between spam flags and offensive flags, and uses the same type of flag for both. Some mods don't like it.

Magisch

@Pops Our autoflags only flag as spam. There are some posts that we catch that would be better suited by the offensive flag

Undo

I mostly think it's just silly to spend time thinking about

Mithrandir

Shog said it doesn't matter.

Basically.

Undo

has for years, yeah. Both flags being the same under the hood helps the argument too.

Pops

9:24 PM

Ah, yeah... might want to see revision 44 to the Meta SE FAQ on such things. I learned a thing because of that discussion.

Magisch

@Pops So they're equal in all but name now?

Yes

nice

Apparently, yeah.

In essence, it shouldn't matter if we flag spam or abusive, as long as its either

Mithrandir

9:28 PM

Like, earlier, I had gibberish autoflagged as spam, and so brought it up, and then was discussing it in Secret Places™.

Magisch

All of us non mods here know about the teachers lounge

Mithrandir

Yes, but I prefer Secret Places™...

Pops

It's... hard... to argue in favor of writing an algorithm and making a bot spend time calculating which of the two flag types to use when they are, in actuality, the exact same flag. It's not even Coke vs. Pepsi, it's Pepsi vs. a second bottle of Pepsi that's using a different but still valid Pepsi logo.

8

Jan Dvorak

coke vs. christmas coke

Mithrandir

(I don't drink soda, and never have, but okay, I agree :P)

Andy

9:36 PM

@JanDvorak Christmas coke?

Is that what happens when prescription drugs get into Atlanta's tap water?

Mithrandir

Completely unrelated, but I find it weird now that it says Communities (166) on the side of my profile. It used to say 112 earlier today (I think)...

Glorfindel

@Mithrandir because you signed up on 54 sites today?

Jan Dvorak

It's just regular coke with snowy hills on the label

Mithrandir

Yep.

Jan Dvorak

@Andy if that ever happens here, I might actually start drinking tap water

Mithrandir

9:45 PM

Heh, the meta is at 321...

(And I keep going to click the button and remembering that I upvoted on Meta.SO! >.<)

Jan Dvorak

HTTP 321 - retry after a short delay?

Mithrandir

Why didn't Smokey pick up our meta? Shouldn't it have picked it up under repeated link at the end of a long post?

It has the /people link at the beginning and at the end.

Kyll

@Mithrandir I don't think Smokey runs on Meta sites, does it?

Mithrandir

@Kyll it does run on meta.se

Jan Dvorak

Maybe it did? Or does it ignore migrations?

SmokeDetector

9:53 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Is it possible to add a custom field to change theme fonts dynamically in WordPress' backend? by حارث خان on wordpress.SE

NobodyNada

> Chat Island

Mithrandir

Is FDSC down also?

NobodyNada

considering this is the 3rd time he's posted garbage, I'm flagging as rude

Undo

@Mithrandir Shouldn't be dependent on any S3 stuff

Mithrandir

Speaking of which, is it back?

My image uploaded.

Undo

9:58 PM

kinda, I guess

Console is still iffy

rene

only for fetches, not new S3 objects

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Find When a user last logged in by Austin on superuser.com

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector f

Undo

Okay, let's fix this

SmokeDetector

10:04 PM

Undo's Raspberry Pi received failover signal.

Undo

!!/standby teward

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 13aae02 (angussidney: Strip code blocks --autopull) (running on teward/Aurora)

Undo

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 2cb53d7 (ArtOfCode: Exclude Ukrainian from non-Latin/English rules) (running on Undo's Raspberry Pi)

Restart: API quota is 9996.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Find When a user last logged in by Austin on superuser.com

Undo

sd f

SmokeDetector

10:05 PM

fp- by Mithrandir

Undo

!!/report softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/26254/46

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Text-to-speech specific page element? by Erlja Jkdf. on softwarerecs.SE

Undo

sd f

!!/rmblu- softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/u/16079

Still worky?

Works

!!/report softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/39339/46

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Filesharing between two Windows 10 devices in different networks by Daan van Hoek on softwarerecs.SE

Undo

worky?

yep

SmokeDetector

10:10 PM

fp- by Mithrandir

Undo

@SmokeDetector fpu-

!!/rmblu- softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/u/29488

Norepro on that report issue

Unless someone has a better way to do it

Mithrandir

It broke every time I reported something....

!!/report literature.stackexchange.com/a/801/58

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Is Judaism represented in the Narnia books? by Mithrandir on literature.SE

Undo

test

Still alive

SmokeDetector

teward/Aurora received failover signal.

Undo

10:14 PM

Could have something to do with the webcam attacks, but timeline doesn't match up there

!!/standby undo

Mithrandir

!!/rmblu- literature.stackexchange.com/users/58

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir User is not blacklisted.

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector f

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev 2cb53d7 (ArtOfCode: Exclude Ukrainian from non-Latin/English rules) (running on Undo's Raspberry Pi)

Restart: API quota is 8562.

Undo

kinda switched instances out from under you there

Mithrandir

10:15 PM

Test again?

Undo

We're on Thomas' instance now, but sure

!!/status

SmokeDetector

@Undo Running since 22:04:21 UTC (11 minutes)

Mithrandir

Huh. Why didn't it ping me earlier?

Undo

@Mithrandir Different instance wasn't synced up

M.A.R.

10:32 PM

@SmokeDetector can I be evil and k this?

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. No.

M.A.R.

:(

But I wanna!

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. Go ahead. See how fast you get suspended :P (kidding)

M.A.R.

Can somebody disconnect @Mith from the internet please?

I have just a little thing I need to do

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: Modulo Mercado envíos Prestashop indica envío gratis by Humberto Flores on es.stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body, bad keyword with email in title, messaging number in body: Obtain your ielts, toefl, toeic,passport,id cards,driving license,(assistantc88@yahoo.com )Visa ONline by Roberto Ddiantini on cogsci.SE

tpu- by Gothdo

fp- by DavidPostill on Modulo Mercado envíos Prestashop indica envío gratis [MS]

M.A.R.

10:44 PM

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@M.A.R. Title - Position 1-53: Modulo Mercado envíos Prestashop indica envío gratis

M.A.R.

Huh

All of that was blacklisted?

Jan Dvorak

FR: add a link from each reason to its implementing code in Github

DavidPostill

@M.A.R. Looks like Prestashop is banned 3tp/3fp

Jan Dvorak

Why should it?

DavidPostill

10:49 PM

Why should what?

M.A.R.

@JanDvorak it was prolly blacklisted after the second spam and never reconsidered

@DavidPostill when should where? O.o

SmokeDetector

11:03 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Is it possible to have multiple wallets which send money and/or multiple wallets which receive money in a SINGLE transaction? by Paul Myers on bitcoin.SE

SmokeDetector

11:22 PM

naa- by DavidPostill

quartata

@ArtOfCode Wouldn't making it so that the MS link was just the actual MS id help with the message size?

Like right now you're doing /posts/by-url

@Pops :(

ArtOfCode

@quartata yes, but MS post submission is async. We don't have the post ID when we post the message.

quartata

Oh. That's kind of lame.

Seems like it wouldn't hurt that much to wait.

Jan Dvorak

it might

J F

@Undo I’ve made a PR to add live updates to the navbar. Specifically, it changes the status tab’s color and updates the review count.

ArtOfCode

11:46 PM

comments, @JF

comments, @ArtOfCode

:)

*comment

How long on average does it take for a post to show up on MS after being posted here?

ArtOfCode

milliseconds

the two things are parallel

once we're sure it's spam, we branch into two threads, one reports to chat, one sends to metasmoke

I guess it's actually entirely possible that MS has the post before we hit chat, but we still have no idea of the ID.

NobodyNada

11:56 PM

@ArtOfCode what ID? the chat message ID?

quartata

MS post ID

NobodyNada

why wouldn't MS know that ID?

ArtOfCode

^

MS does

Smokey doesn't

NobodyNada

But Smokey doesn't need to know it, since it uses by-url

quartata

Right but using the ID would cut down on the message size by a good amount.

Undo

11:59 PM

if we really wanted to cut down message size, there are other ways to do that

m.erwaysoftware.com/p/<apisitekey>/<id> would work

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