Charcoal HQ

SmokeDetector

00:19

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: %include centos kickstart unable to open input kickstart file by wingding on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

tpu- by 4castle

Thomas Ward

@angussidney yeah, long since handled, with @ArtOfCode. You were CC'd by Art for situational awareness

but it was about that. I just happened to raise ArtOfCode in the TL before I could raise you :)

goes back to poking python code

ArtOfCode

I'd quite literally turned up 10 seconds after Thomas pinged me in TL, and 10 seconds before he pinged me here

Thomas Ward

yup

angussidney

BTW, why did you ping me in the first place? I'm not a mod, so I couldn't have done much

Thomas Ward

@angussidney your name was on the commit

and Art later told me he authed the commit to be done by you

angussidney

00:30

Ah, right

Thomas Ward

so I turned the evil towards @ArtOfCode

ArtOfCode

aye, I was on mobile at the time

angussidney

Same here

ArtOfCode

But something to remember in general - if you think something needs to be done now, you don't necessarily have to wait for approval from "higher-ups" (do we really even have those?). If you're confident in what you're doing, just go ahead and do it - nobody's going to jump on you for it if you do something in good faith. That goes for everyone.

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode true statement, but I needed the justification before I went and swung the hammer :)

I operate in bureaucracy mode. Since I've not been given "SaltAndBurnOnRedAlert" privileges :P

ArtOfCode

00:32

And, of course, if it affects hardware security, the hardware host always has final authority.

angussidney

@ArtOfCode And it can be easily reverted anyway, so no worries if the cat jumped on [Enter] when you were out of the room

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard meh, if you have privileges, we trust you. If we start having any official sort of hierarchy (beyond "these people know quite a lot" or "these people host hardware"), then Charcoal and our development pattern will stop working as we know it.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Phone number detected in title: is there facebook toll free (1.855.77O.778O) contact facebook by samy jayden on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

Thomas Ward

true statement :)

BURN DAMN YOU

SmokeDetector

tpu- by teward

Thomas Ward

00:34

BEHOLD THE GLORY OF DIAMOND POWERED ORBITAL KINETIC IMPACT STRIKE WEAPONS AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

*probably should not code or be online whilst buzzed and/or drunk*

angussidney

@ThomasWard damn you, always modhammering stuff before I can flag it :P

Thomas Ward

@angussidney :P

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How can I delete files in terminal fluently? by hello on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by teward

ArtOfCode

This thing runs on people doing things on their own authority, and then getting peer-reviewed by passing eyes. Of course I'm happy to give a second opinion on things if you're not confident in what to do, but neither I nor @Undo are top-dog-will-veto-everything-just-because-we-can type people, and we figured out early on that it's best to just let people do things.

Thomas Ward

if flagOnSite('AskUbuntu'):
    Fear(Moderator('ThomasWard'))
else:
    continue

cool :)

blah screw it

ArtOfCode

00:37

If we're talking about "official" or "serious" hierarchy, I'm no more today than I was when I first turned up here - I just happen to have been around a while and have picked up a fair old chunk of knowledge and experience.

Byte Commander

If that's supposed to be Python, use snake case names please... ;)

Thomas Ward

@ByteCommander pseudocode. not Python

Ferrybig

You probably should use user id's since usernames aren't unique

Undo

what @Art is saying is that you kinda are the top dog. He who runs the hardware...

Thomas Ward

@Ferrybig again, Pseudo Code :P

@Undo An interesting concept... understandable though :)

@Undo that said, it still needed followed up on :)

ArtOfCode

00:38

without hardware, smokey doesn't exist

Thomas Ward

@ArtOfCode and without Smokey, CharcoalHQ doesn't exist. >:D

Undo

@ThomasWard Sure, if you feel more comfortable doing that. Just know that you really don't need to

Byte Commander

Yeah, I also declare my code snippets with syntax errors to be just pseudocode ;)

Undo

if something's on fire, there isn't a lock on the extinguisher.

3

Thomas Ward

@Undo Well, given the issue in question, I needed to know someone's justifications :P

SmokeDetector

00:39

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: "99 Bottles of Beer" by CHlM3RA on codegolf.stackexchange.com

Undo

Yep, that's fine :)

Thomas Ward

@Undo if something's on fire, just nuke it from orbit, snuff out the original fire, and start new ones xD

Undo

sd f

ArtOfCode

@Undo this should be our general philosophy

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 1249 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.

stackoverflow: 1398
askubuntu: 565
superuser: 441
unix: 238
drupal: 221
electronics: 197
math: 167
salesforce: 156
english: 149
gaming: 148
travel: 144
security: 142
meta: 136
scifi: 132
dba: 127
magento: 125
wordpress: 119
gis: 119
apple: 114
mathoverflow.net: 111
worldbuilding: 104
stats: 100
sharepoint: 99
ell: 99
money: 92
academia: 87
es.stackoverflow: 85
puzzling: 84
movies: 83
tex: 81
codegolf: 79
physics: 78
mathematica: 76
gamedev: 71
raspberrypi: 69
ru.stackoverflow: 68
webapps: 68
diy: 68

Undo

00:41

@SmokeDetector Still lower. Need one of (a) more quota, or (b) more optimization

Thomas Ward

@Undo or both

angussidney

Until we start falling below 500 left, I'm not really concerned

Undo

It's trending down, though. Better to head it off early IMO

ArtOfCode

more quota optimization usually comes at a cost of increased latency, unfortunately

Undo

not "omg we're gonna die" yet, but ya know

Thomas Ward

00:44

@Undo time to put in a new quota request?

for within the next week?

Undo

@ThomasWard Did that this morning, actually

pending a CM finding a dev.

Thomas Ward

@Undo for more quota, or for a separate key for something else?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Output Caching with IIS7 - How To for an dynamic aspx page? by user393481 on serverfault.com

Undo

@ThomasWard Either

Prolly should have included you on that email

SmokeDetector

naa- by teward

Thomas Ward

00:45

@Undo you have my email address, FWD me the email chain if you want, encrypt it too if you have your keybase data on hand

ArtOfCode

and we also have a reply on it, @Undo, in case you hadn't seen it

Undo

I saw it

It's not like there's anything private, so we'll do this:

ArtOfCode

TL;DR: Pops got caught up with 2016, because 2016. It's still his top initiative, and he's currently trying to get hold of a dev who knows the API to actually discuss our request with

Undo

Not posting the reply because it wasn't sent with expectation that it'd be screenshotted here, but that ^ is a good tldr.

angussidney

@Undo is that reply safe enough for me to see privately or also mod-agreement-signees-only?

SmokeDetector

00:56

Restart: API quota is 9938.

ArtOfCode

@angussidney there's nothing private about it - just that Pops sent it in reply to Undo's email, which was only between Undo, Pops, and me. I'd be happy to forward it, honestly, but I'm making it @Undo's call because I'm a serial responsibility shirker.

angussidney

Also, did someone turn off the emails to notify admins about changes to autoflagging settings?

ArtOfCode

01:12

@angussidney yep, because we have audits on metasmoke now

angussidney

Cool

Undo

@angussidney content wise, you could put it on Reddit and be fine. I'm just a little principled about privacy stuff

And there's basically nothing more to it than Art's thing

SmokeDetector

01:53

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Adding 2 Categories On the Same Page by Jason on magento.stackexchange.com

Rob

nike?

sd why

SmokeDetector

[:34557191] Body - Position 1-102: <p>I have a category named Nike and another one called Adidas.<br>
I only have 8 products under Nike

fp- by Rob

Mark Yisri

02:05

sd why

SmokeDetector

@MarkYisri [:34557266] That's not a report.

Mark Yisri

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

Body - Position 1-102: <p>I have a category named Nike and another one called Adidas.<br>
I only have 8 products under Nike

Mark Yisri

!!/amiprivileged

SmokeDetector

@MarkYisri No, you are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

Mark Yisri

02:07

*summons @ArtOfCode*
we need to talk

Thomas Ward

@Undo ^

since I know you're lurking around

Mark Yisri

summons @ThomasWard and @Undo

ArtOfCode

Talk away, @Mark

Thomas Ward

FYI: I'm in the middle of a large work project and billing a ton of extra hours, there better be a good reason for disturbances

Mark Yisri

i see i lost my privs

ArtOfCode

02:10

Indeed

Mark Yisri

why did i lose them? my suspension is almost up

ArtOfCode

check your emails, if you haven't already

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Georeference Canadian postal codes in CartoDB by ILLUMINATI on gis.stackexchange.com

Thomas Ward

@MarkYisri Rights in Smokey aren't based solely on a suspension or not, it's the severity and type of rule breakages that is the primary determining factor

ArtOfCode

and type, for that matter

Thomas Ward

02:12

^ that

(unrelated: note to self, don't overcomplexify a listserv statistics utility library class, it makes it really evil to create >.<)

ArtOfCode

We're not gonna care if you got dinged for adding salutations to your posts once, but if you're a dastardly spammer in disguise, we might object

Mark Yisri

how many times have i spammed? 0

ArtOfCode

That wasn't me calling you a spammer, just a general comment

Mark Yisri

well that is the accusation from mods

ArtOfCode

If they've made that allegation, there'll be strong evidence to back it up.

Mark Yisri

02:18

you can't prove it
most flags of mine are "helpful"
i recently asked a question with 30 upvotes

ArtOfCode

@MarkYisri the mere presence of "you can't prove it" in this doesn't fill me with confidence.

Mark Yisri

^^^ evidence for my innocence

ArtOfCode

On the contrary: moderators have tools that let us prove these kinds of things very easily.

Mark Yisri

after all my helpful answers, i get this?
lets say i did it, then never did it agsin
then what?

i live under a cloud?

ArtOfCode

@MarkYisri helpful answers have nothing to do with this. Once your suspension is up, Stack Exchange sites forgive and forget, and let you carry on as you were. They can do that because they operate differently to how we do here.

Mark Yisri

02:23

so you don't forgive and forget

angussidney

We're a community project, and hence we can add/remove users from our priviliged lists as we see fit. It's entirely subjective and the decision is ours to make.

ArtOfCode

As I said to someone this morning, Charcoal operates almost entirely on trust. We'd like to forgive and forget, but we can't do that if we still have concerns about behaviour.

Andy

We rely on the trust of our users. "Forgetting" is not appropriate in this case. We require that trust. As such, you have to (re)earn it

Mark Yisri

how?

ArtOfCode

If moderators have accused you of spamming, then you're either gonna need to comprehensively refute their accusation, to their satisfaction, or you're gonna need to be open and honest - hold up your hands, say "I did this, and it was wrong", and then show us through good behaviour and positive participation that we can trust you.

Mark Yisri

02:27

but no matter what i do, they will always have "evidence"

so i'm forced to lie?

ArtOfCode

@Mark I'm gonna ask you a question, which I'd like you to answer honestly: What have you been accused of, and are those accusations correct?

Andy

Yes. But your participation as we get further in time from those events begins to rebuild that trust. So, yes, something happened but when you can show you've changed over a period of time that's good

Mark Yisri

i have been accused of:
1. spamming (no)
2. vote iinflation (yes)

num 2 i wont do again

ArtOfCode

Bear in mind, of course, that I know what information moderators have access to that informs their messages, and also that a dishonest answer to that is not going to reflect well on you.

Mark Yisri

i'm not lying!

show me "information"

ArtOfCode

02:34

Okay, thanks.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Yvette

ArtOfCode

Since you were straight with me, I'll be straight with you. I believe the moderators. I have high confidence in the tools and information available, and in the moderators in question. That said, I can also accept that there are allowances that may or may not apply - if you take 'spamming' to mean something other than I do, then your answer is truthful to you, even if it's not the same as the mods or I think, for example.

I hope you can also accept that even an allegation of spamming is something this room will take very seriously - it is, after all, exactly what we're here to prevent.

Mark Yisri

define spamming then

Undo

To be honest, we're also trying to maintain a decent-ish relationship with meta. Having a recent offender around doesn't help much. Having a reformed offender around isn't bad at all... but you have to prove it.

Right now, your attitude isn't inspiring confidence that you're on the path to the latter. It can change fast, but I'm not getting good vibes.

ArtOfCode

So. It's good that you're being open about the voting issues; thank you. That's a good start to helping people trust you. If you're serious about wanting privileges here so you can help fight spam, I'd recommend that you spend the next few weeks or probably months demonstrating a commitment to that. How I'm not going to elaborate on, because then I'd be doing the work for you.

Yvette Colomb

02:47

@MarkYisri if tou have to ask that, that's not a good sign.

I'd like to make a suggestion that people need to be active on a site for 12 months before being given privileges. I highlight active, as some people open accounts and do nothing for months or even years. @ArtOfCode @Undo

ArtOfCode

@YvetteColomb hm. Y'all know me, I don't really like hard thresholds

Undo

@YvetteColomb I don't know that we really need a rule around that. I can count the instances we've had issues on one hand, and I suspect we've picked up more good people than we've picked up bad people.

Maybe a good guideline, but I'd rather give trust first and let it be broken

If we were running a nuclear processing plant or something, that'd be different, but damage potential here is minimal.

angussidney

03:03

'but damage potential here is minimal' - for the moment. If all this stuff with Pops goes through, we need to be much more strict

Yvette Colomb

@ArtOfCode stack exchange is about hard thresholds though, so when/if it is linked with SE officially, you may need hard thresholds

@angussidney agree.

Undo

@angussidney Do we, though?

Depends on the implementation

angussidney

Yes

Hence I didn't specify how much more strict, just that we need to tighten things up somehow

Undo

Suppose we go with using the metasmoke autoflagging system as a base for this. Feedback doesn't matter to it and we're still getting >99.9% accuracy from it.

I'd be perfectly fine if 'integration' actually meant "ya'll can case up to 5 flags at your discretion"

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly non-Latin answer: ConfuserEx: System.TypeInitializationException on Mono by user7377132 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

Undo

03:10

No dev work, everything's transparent, and it'd take code access to mess it up

@SmokeDetector what is that even?

There's actually nothing there

angussidney

This is what I found in the edit dialog:

> ‍‌‌‪‫‭‮‬⁮⁯⁫⁪⁭⁬ x (lots)

Oh, it doesn't display in chat

Undo

@angussidney Abusive, though?

Yvette Colomb

@SmokeDetector referring to this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/289330/…

angussidney

@Undo that's the sort of post which I would flag as NAA, go 'WTF?' and reply ignore- in here

Yvette Colomb

I regard it as abusive of the sites resources

angussidney

03:20

Yeah, normally I would go with that, but the fact that my browser came up with 'unrecognized character' symbols rather than gibberish makes me think that the result could be something unintended

Yvette Colomb

@angussidney ah.. hm yes you may be right

angussidney

@SmokeDetector ignore-

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: How to display when a node was last saved? by LadaGagi on drupal.stackexchange.com

naa- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: 8 - Manually adding a user field will delete all programmatically added user fields by LadaGagi on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Chinese character in title, messaging number in body, messaging number in title, mostly non-Latin body, mostly non-Latin title: 咨询办理南威尔士大学文凭毕业证Q微3429105879学历认证成绩单诚招代理The University of South Wales by tayrlo on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by angussidney

Undo

03:36

sd k

SmokeDetector

@Undo [:34558758] That message is not a report.

angussidney

Get ninja'd :P

I wonder if there is some sort of filter we can put in place to catch these: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…

Also, I thought some of you would like to check out this: regexcrossword.com

Undo

Oooh, that's cool

this is fun

angussidney

@undo while you're here, can I remind you about how we need to do revision checks before we autoflag posts, especially now that we're about to start letting smokey flag

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How can I get my incompetent utility company to remove late payments on my credit report? by ryan on money.stackexchange.com

tpu- by angussidney

Undo

03:51

@angussidney We are

angussidney

@Undo we are? how did I miss that

Undo

github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/commit/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: as speedily as moreover coping? by privtashelly on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by Undo

SmokeDetector

04:15

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: How could I have avoided this mistake in Minesweeper? by user33246 on puzzling.stackexchange.com

Yvette Colomb

sd n

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: yoursbetterhealthsolutions.com/alpha-prime-elite/ by Uvszsloi on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

tpu- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Top 10 Tips To Losing Body Fat Fast by user218435 on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Maximum play time for youtube video player playlist by user7377216 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

tpu- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: trexmusclesite.com/alpha-prime-elite/ by dawndiaz on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Have https on my website without my own domain by Bhumi Gupta on webmasters.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette

Yvette Colomb

04:36

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: quicksupplementfact.com/natural-slim-life/ by ysel saki1 on apple.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette

Rubio

Not sure how this room works - I'm vaguely aware that flaggable posts can be posted here to get some attention? Posting this: puzzling.stackexchange.com/a/47565/30633 as an inappropriate "answer"

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: quicksupplementfact.com/natural-slim-life/ by numipec on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: megacleanseradvice.com/vinetics-c/ by user71278 on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette on http://quicksupplementfact.com/natural-slim-life/ [MS]

tpu- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: The tilted labyrinth - Can you find the fastest path in this 3D-puzzle? (Simulator now included.) by user33246 on puzzling.stackexchange.com

Yvette Colomb

sd k

Rubio

Thanks.

SmokeDetector

04:44

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: which is a sample that is on par to maintain on in future.Today, shoppers are by krieujuriya on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: wrinkles, studies have discovered by Linamarina on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: quicksupplementfact.com/natural-slim-life/ by JohnyDepp on apple.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Undo

tpu- by Undo on wrinkles, studies have discovered [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: For maximum outcomes, this serum by user218444 on apple.stackexchange.com

Undo

@SmokeDetector Autoflag failure due to flag ratelimiting

Need to account for that

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Undo

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: maximizedmuscleideas.com/zyntix/ by paulbrosekl on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Undo

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Zyntix vitality solid charisma and better by user71280 on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Learn More About Beelite Obviously Greatest Weight Loss Product by user71281 on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: 6 Essential Weight Loss Tips For Elliptical Trainers by kilbudeswrn on superuser.com

Rob

05:06

@angussidney That is awesome

Good fun

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: healthyclubpro.com/zyntix/ by user62433 on workplace.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: cheerful to realiseperform of many merchandise inside the cosmetics enterprise by krieu juriya on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Undo

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: quicksupplementfact.com/natural-slim-life/ by ysel saki1 on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Natural Slim Life Be careful being a very restrictive by ajasteela154 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

Undo

05:29

sd 2k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, deeply nested blockquotes, pattern-matching website in body: what is this Zyntix? by user682121 on superuser.com

tpu- by Yvette

angussidney

@Rubio yeah, we monitor, detect and flag spam and abusive posts. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

Rubio

No prob - is there a particular etiquette? keywords? @... ?

Undo

!!/report <url> is great if you have privileges

angussidney

lol

sd del

Undo

05:33

heh

Rubio

hehe that was funny. i'm sure I don't have privileges :)

angussidney

@Rubio currently only users who have priviliges with the bot can manually report posts, but if you'd like to get involved, just hang around for a bit and flag some spam, and we can add you to the list once you get the hang of what is happening

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Ubuntu Mobile OS by Imran520 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)

Rubio

I'll just do what I did, for now. We don't get a lot of spam/abusiveness on PSE where I spend the majority of my SE time at, but I'll forward what I see.

Thanks for the info and the quick responsiveness.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Yvette

angussidney

05:35

@Rubio yep, that's fine, and once again, thanks for reporting

Undo

If you can, screenshots are also great. For reported stuff, we have a record of post text for the non-10kers (which is most of us), but if you can't report a screenshot is nice.

Yvette Colomb

am I the only one thinking that's spam? it only has one flag

Undo

It's spam

superuser.com/questions/1163600/what-is-this-zyntix is still alive, too. As is graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/82629/…

angussidney

Both gone

We really need to get around to #226

Undo

Yep

Isn't it awesome how spam just stops when you're trying to test autoflagging stuff?

angussidney

05:41

@Undo spam just stops when you're trying to test stuff in general :P

Undo

Rebooting MS server because it's being slow.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to download files from coursera online courses using any grabber or any other online method? by Lucky 2017 on webapps.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Yvette

Undo

alavsoft

angussidney

I've heard lots of bad things about them

Undo

Sounds like it can download videos, though, which I guess is a plus

More likely they just take your money and run

angussidney

05:44

and insert malware, ads etc

Undo

c'mon spammers, I've gotta go to bed eventually

SmokeDetector

05:57

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: All Penis Enhancement Exercise Program by user682130 on superuser.com

Yvette Colomb

sd k

tripleee

@Undo your plea was finally heard

angussidney

@SmokeDetector autoflagged?

SmokeDetector

@angussidney That post was automatically flagged by Metasmoke.

angussidney

@undo autoflagging working, have a good sleep

SmokeDetector

06:08

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Zyntix : Safe And Natural Way To Get Virility Back by laxiwoax on drupal.stackexchange.com

Undo

There we go

Couple bugs were preventing us from ever casting more than 1 flag on a post

tripleee

does Metasmoke also downvote posts that it autoflags? I see a lot of -1 on very fresh spam recently

Undo

@tripleee Spam flags always do

angussidney

@tripleee spam flags automatically downvote

tripleee

oh really? Thanks, TIL

angussidney

06:10

The community user is a serial downvoter

Undo

Okay, withdrawing myself from autoflagging for now. I'm satisfied that it probably works good enough

bwDraco

sd autoflagged

SmokeDetector

@bwDraco [:34560379] That post was automatically flagged by Metasmoke.

angussidney

That autoflagging reply is still borked

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: quicksupplementfact.com/natural-slim-life/ by michaelvalle005 on apple.stackexchange.com

angussidney

06:12

sd k

Undo

g'night, folks

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Zyntix level of your penis that is Zyntix stinging of every man by floeinoldi2 on workplace.stackexchange.com

angussidney

@Undo o/

sd k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in body: Which name sounds better in English spoken countries? 1. Daon 2. Shane by Park Chanoh on english.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: wish to fight that. The serum makes the epidermis radiant by user7377628 on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

angussidney

!!/reboot

SmokeDetector

06:16

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev c636a3e (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of eincar\.com by Glorfindel --autopull) (running on teward/Aurora)

Restart: API quota is 8675.

tpu- by Jan Dvorak

angussidney

@SmokeDetector I said just off-topic, looks like a misguided user

Jan Dvorak

VLQ?

angussidney

I just said primarily opinion based

Jan Dvorak

Whom?

angussidney

Sorry, I meant that I flagged to be closed as primarily opinion based

SmokeDetector

06:33

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: What would be your next deduction in this game of minesweeper by user33246 on puzzling.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Scientists starting out in struggling by user71239 on workplace.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Height Gainer Supplements by hashmimart on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Alpha Prime Elite. In the event that you by PaulaBrunner on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by angussidney on Height Gainer Supplements [MS]

angussidney

@SmokeDetector k

@SmokeDetector f

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: www.drhelpnutrition.org/zyntix/ by Anroutr on workplace.stackexchange.com

angussidney

sd k

tripleee

06:51

@SmokeDetector that answer is an FP but I think the user should remain blacklisted at least for the next few days

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: and neck. She has oily epidermis and finds this by mes juriyam on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by tripleee

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Bella Dior Nourish your skin starting by user71287 on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by tripleee

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Healthy GC Pro But, becaus by user176152 on gaming.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Jan Dvorak

angussidney

@tripleee f unblacklists

tripleee

!!/isblu puzzling.stackexchange.com/u/33246

SmokeDetector

@tripleee User is not blacklisted (33246 on puzzling.stackexchange.com).

Magisch

@tripleee sd f is an alias for sd fpu- which also unblacklists

tripleee

07:03

!!/addblu puzzling.stackexchange.com/u/33246

SmokeDetector

@tripleee User blacklisted (33246 on puzzling.stackexchange.com).

tripleee

so marking as false positive in FDSC does that, too? I was under the impression it did only fp

but it's not clear from what action exactly the user was removed from the blacklist anyway

Magisch

@tripleee I'm not sure exactly if it does but I think so

tripleee

metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/52376 has two fp- feedbacks only

one of which is mine, from FDSC

@angussidney ah there

there are two NAA/abusive posts and one FP from this user this morning so let's keep him on the radar for a little while longer

user link: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/stackusers/44712

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: consuming too many calories Complete Metabolism by jagoo jasus on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

tpu- by tripleee

tripleee

07:07

hmm, if I flag as spam, I am still able to add a downvote after that

or do you mean the downvote changes from implicit to explicit in this case?

(by "implicit" I mean the kind where the downvote registers in the database but is not displayed, as when you click the down arrow on a site where you don't have the privileges to cast downvotes properly)

Magisch

@tripleee Flagging as spam makes community downvote the post

but you can still add your own downvote, so you can downvote twice, effectively.

Jan Dvorak

Not that you should

Magisch

Not sure why you would (whether spam gets deleted as -6 or -9 is irrelevant)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in body: Which name sounds better in English spoken countries? 1. Daon 2. Shane by Park Chanoh on english.stackexchange.com

angussidney

@Magisch nope, f is short for fp-, fpu- whitelists the user

Magisch

07:22

@angussidney huh, TIL

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: myhealthpeak.com/diabazole-review/ by user635290 on drupal.stackexchange.com

tripleee

@Magisch I routinely do that to communicate "not welcome" even to users who don't have the privileges to downvote, flag, etc, as well as hopefully to the spammer, should they ever happen to visit

SmokeDetector

tpu- by tripleee

Magisch

I suppose

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Bella Dior Many body washes contain by JackArroyo on drupal.stackexchange.com

tpu- by Magisch

tripleee

07:30

I recall posting a meta question about moving the downvote tooltip so it doesn't overlap the flag link but I can't find it now

there was some discussion about the practice there as well

oh, deleted Dec 16 as "dead" meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286557/…

(requires 10k+ obviously)

screen shots https://i.sstatic.net/qELdb.jpg https://i.sstatic.net/zomoU.jpg
https://i.sstatic.net/p83JE.png

(less discussion than I remembered, though)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Maca standard, in like course kept up in science interface as Lepidium meyenii by gandibakris2 on workplace.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

07:56

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: 10 Guilt Free Hl12 Tips by sajnisunam on drupal.stackexchange.com

Magisch

@SmokeDetector k

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