Charcoal HQ

Normal Bot

17:22

Restart: API quota is 9937.

zaq

^ My account for testing Smokey

!!/test-u somethingjuryam

Normal Bot

> Would not be caught as a username.

zaq

!!/test-u frey juriya

Normal Bot

> Blacklisted username
----------
Username - Position 1-12: frey juriya

zaq

!!/test-t Improve Eye And Brain Health With This Cream

Normal Bot

17:24

> Would not be caught as a title.

zaq

should be, then...

!!/test-t Improve Eye And Aging Brain Health With This Top Cream Product

Normal Bot

> Would not be caught as a title.

Andy

Nice work

zaq

!!/test Improve Eye And Aging Brain Health With This Top Cream Product

Normal Bot

> Would not be caught as a title, body, or username.

SmokeDetector

17:26

> Would not be caught for title, body, and username.

zaq

Ah, I'm trying to match the has_health method which is on selected sites only.

!!/test-t advice to be build muscle

Normal Bot

> Bad keyword in title
----------
Title - Position 20-26: muscle

SmokeDetector

CI on 187428e failed.

Gothdo

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@Gothdo Post - Keyword interested with email [email protected]

Gothdo

17:36

That's not spam, but the question is bad.

zaq

@SmokeDetector notspam, then

@SmokeDetector I still think that "or" is more logical than and in "Would not be caught for title, body, and username.", but won't argue with the testing module...

SmokeDetector

CI on a3cb2d1 succeeded.

zaq

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev a3cb2d1 (Normal Human: back to original "would not be caught" message) (running on Raspberry Pi)

Restart: API quota is 8183.

zaq

!!/test-q advice to be build muscle

SmokeDetector

17:44

> Would not be caught as a question.

zaq

Correct. Only as a title.

!!/report webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/98293

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[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: How do I find out what web sites link to mine? by Sam Hill on webmasters.stackexchange.com …

tpu- by Magisch

Pops

18:14

@GregP I was just reminded that we do have contract jobs (although we could be more clear about it); if you go to stackoverflow.com/jobs and focus on the "Job Title, Keyword or Company" text field, a little radio button form appears that lets you choose between "Permanent," "Contract" or "Any job type."

Magisch

Hey pops

@Pops In considering integration with smokey, do you guys have problems/questions with our current reporter/flagger verification system (basicly its just whoever the smokey admins think is sane)

Pops

What do you mean by reporter/flagger verification system?

Magisch

Well

The main part of our data (signal) comes from people giving feedback on reported posts

the sd k or sd f you've been seing

thats us members confirming or marking as false positives reports

@Pops Thats not something just anyone can do - these people have to be manually approved. If there was to be more integration between smokey and SE, these people indirectly would hold significantly more power compared to now (1 flag). The SD admins aren't super strict about selecting who gets to feed back, though

You have permissions by default - all moderators do

Pops

18:29

Right. My gut reaction is, don't fix what isn't broken. Haven't really thought about that question before just now, though.

Magisch

We do have a quality control system in place to ensure the people feeding back keep a reasonably high accuracy

sort of like audits

well less like audits but in the same principle

Metasmoke admins go through all feedback (generally) and invalidate invalid feedback. If you have 4% + 4 or more of that and more then 100 total feedback, your future feedback is ignored (sorta)

SmokeDetector

18:50

Restart: API quota is 7771.

Recovered from error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer

Restart: API quota is 7755.

Restart: API quota is 7738.

Magisch

Oy smokey

@undo @ArtOfCode Smokey has some difficulties here. Happened 21.00 CEST 12.08.2016

Ferrybig

!!/errorlogs 100

SmokeDetector

    header = self.recv_strict(2)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/websocket/_abnf.py", line 346, in recv_strict
    bytes = self.recv(min(16384, shortage))
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/websocket/_core.py", line 479, in _recv
    return recv(self.sock, bufsize)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/websocket/_socket.py", line 77, in recv
    bytes = sock.recv(bufsize)
error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer


error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer

ArtOfCode

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@ArtOfCode Of course

ArtOfCode

19:03

@Magisch 'long as it's still alive and processing

Magisch

I figured you'd still want to know

ArtOfCode

aye, ta

Byte Commander

Your slang gets worse and worse...

ArtOfCode

Basically all I do when Smokey has errors is check if it's alive and well, and boot my copy if not

Byte Commander

;-)

ArtOfCode

19:05

@ByteCommander whit are ye talken aboot laddie

Byte Commander

exactly that ^

zaq

I was kicked out of chat too, it's a websocket thing, not specific to Smokey.

ArtOfCode

ah canna ken whit ye're sayen

zaq

Coincidentally, I was just now reading a post on ELU quoting Shaw's Pygmalion...

... and got distracted into re-reading the play itself.

zaq

20:05

!!/report gaming.stackexchange.com/a/281517 gaming.stackexchange.com/a/281519

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wythagoras

sd f

zaq

:31657831 n

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20:35

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: Show image from URL Xamarin.Forms by Rohit Arora on stackoverflow.com …

zaq

sd k

sd f but OT

SmokeDetector

21:32

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: 1080p Rendering Problems 720p fine Though by user29433 on blender.stackexchange.com …

zaq

sd n

SmokeDetector

21:44

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Visual studio 2015 Notification Hubs Diagnose 401 unauthorized by AnkurK on stackoverflow.com …

zaq

sd n

TIPS

Yay! Somehow managed to miss all the fun with Pops.

zaq

It's unlikely to be of consequence.

undo

I'm back on my home network. I'm kinda surprised that Smokey didn't decide to freeze during the almost-two-weeks I was gone.

zaq

22:00

It's too hot for anything to freeze.

undo

ugh, that'd be true.

TIPS

@zaq You can say that again. I'm lying on the floor sweating and trying to get some shut eye

@zaq Oh? From what I've read, it will take six to eight weeks but it seemed promising.

Maybe I'm in optimistic mood.

undo

@zaq I suspect something will come of it. Might not be full-on integration, but we might get a few nice-to-haves and a go-ahead on that autoflagging project

Andy

I'm hoping at least the networkid appears on the shallow user object

Pops

22:23

@TIPS I'm still here!

TIPS

Yay

Chats

Pops

But describing me as "fun" is... really optimistic, at best. At least proves you didn't read the transcript.

undo

You're fun.

TIPS

You're fun.

Andy

@undo, a month or so ago you mentioned your EC2 prices...how much memory do you get? I'm thinking of moving my comment flashing stuff from a home server to something that is less susceptible to Midwest lightning storms

undo

22:29

@Andy Memory or storage?

Andy

Memory

ArtOfCode

1 GB on a t2.micro

undo

anywhere from 500MB to 2TB ;)

My t2.micro has 1G

ArtOfCode

way more than you need to run something like Smokey; a full Rails server takes about half your resources

I imagine your comment flagger would work fine on a micro

undo

also @Andy, not sure how your comment flagger thing works, but you can scale up/down based on your needs in seconds.

Haven't tested it, but there's no reason you couldn't run a t2.nano to collect comments 23 hours out of the day, then hot-swap a bigger instance for 1 hour.

Andy

22:31

Amazon's pricing is confusing. I need roughly 4-6 gb of ram right now

undo

just a sec, I have a better table

hichris123

That would probably be kinda pricey.

undo

@Andy ec2instances.info

Andy

That's what I thought too. I'm looking at Digital Ocean too

Also..hichris...storm headed your way

undo

Smallest one with 4G is a t2.medium, 5.2 cents per hour on-demand.

hichris123

22:33

Yeah... that'll be fun.

@Andy Also check Google Compute Engine. They recently announced a "create your own" instance type, where you could do e.g. 2 cores & 8 GB RAM.

undo

@Andy ^ this button is your friend.

(greyed out there because you have to stop the instance, but that takes seconds)

You almost certainly don't need 4-6GB all the time, right?

hichris123

Oh, and you can always use a reserved instance/spot instance with EC2. Lots cheaper.

undo

That too

ArtOfCode

$25.55/mo reserved t2.medium

Andy

Not horrible...but higher than I really want to flag comments

undo

22:39

@Andy What does your load cycle look like?

Are you bunching up work? Can you?

Why does it need to be alive more than one hour a day?

Andy

I think I can bunch it up. That shouldn't be a big change.

Yeah. I can adjust it

Go me for planning ahead on that

undo

So if you can get it down to an hour a day, you can run an instance just an hour per day (something like aws.amazon.com/premiumsupport/knowledge-center/…). I'd just run it on-demand. That's ~30hrs/mo, $2.4/mo running a m4.large (8GB RAM, 2vCPU)

Andy

I think that'll work.

undo

add $0.60/mo for the Data Pipeline thing, although I suspect there are better ways to do it. Heck, you could always trigger it from an API call on your local machine if you wanted to.

Andy

Thanks guys

Trigger starting it?

undo

22:46

@Andy Yeah.

AWS has pretty awesome APIs

Andy

Hmm. ..I do need a mysql db. Forgot about that

undo

@Andy I'd just run it on the instance.

Andy

I've heard the api is awesome

TIPS

8

Q: Why is Charcoal such an excellent adsorbent?

Charcoal (also activated charcoal) is known to adsorb a huge variety of substances including a variety of paints, dyes and many different kinds of ions. Moreover, the amount of adsorption at normal pressure and temperature is high. I know physisorption requires high capacity of Van-der-waal bondi...

3

undo

also @Andy, you'll want to tack on a few cents for EBS storage. $0.1/GB/mo

that won't amount to much.

orrr you could probably just make an AMI out of it and store all your data in S3, then import it on-start. That's getting pretty close to overoptimization, though.

Andy

22:48

Ok. I have stuff to look into this next week.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Terraria fishing rod for Android by ogisa ogsa on gaming.stackexchange.com (@angussidney) …

undo

Network usage will be dirt cheap, wouldn't even think about it.

Andy

Nah. I was much more confused about memory utilization pricing.

Network for this is tiny

undo

@Andy Memory is on-instance. You're not charged for it.

You're just charged for what instance type you choose, which dictates how much memory/CPU/etc you have. Just like renting a physical computer.

Andy

I'm pretty sure they make this intentionally confusing

TIPS

22:50

@SmokeDetector k

undo

It's not really that bad

Mostly a byproduct of the fiercely pay-for-what-you-use model.

Pops

@TIPS That's it, from now on I'll always think of "effectiveness at blocking spam" as "ADsorbency."

TIPS

I'm on mobile so real ones will be coming after I'm not on mobile.

Pops

Note to self: when I create my own DBMS, replace the traditional DROP TABLE x; command with FLIP TABLE x;

8

zaq

23:04

sd f

Byte Commander

@zaq are you sure?

new user since today, only post ever, username matches website, last seen 30 min ago (right when the answer was posted)

The answer kind of matches the question, but I would still consider it (well crafted) spam.

Other opinions on android.stackexchange.com/a/154749/178857 ? Spam or not?

zaq

"Username matches website"... the user is explicit in saying it's their product. "We provide the solution", "our Test Factory suite".

ArtOfCode

23:23

Yeah, f

zaq

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