Charcoal HQ

hichris123

00:00

Gimme a sec.

Undo

Googles

hichris123

Oh, also Google Now is on Canary.

@Undo chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel

Undo

I'm going to try Canary :D

hichris123

I love Canary.

I never use it though.

Almost never.

Undo

hehe

hichris123

00:02

I am not a sir.. :D you can think as a friend. Make sure you accept my answer as useful also. — Hannan Hossain yesterday

Undo

rofl

hichris123

Yep.

Do you ever wear down that rolling mat?

Undo

Nope

It's a special high-quality one

hichris123

Not a knock-off Peeka one.

Undo

No

hichris123

00:03

You want to do some Charcoaling?

Undo

Ooh, it's 00:04!

Yay!

Sure, once I get Canary up

hichris123

Okeydoke.

@Undo Do you use Google Now?

Undo

Not sure. What is it?

hichris123

google.com/landing/now

It's great.

Undo

Looks kinda neat

hichris123

00:08

When you get Canary installed, go to chrome://flags/#enable-google-now and change default to enabled, @Undo.

Undo

@hichris123 Ok, nothing happened.

hichris123

There should be a button like restart Chrome.

Undo

Pressed it

hichris123

And then did anything happen?

Undo

No

hichris123

00:11

If not, go into the Chrome Notifications.

Undo

Other than Chrome restarting

@hichris123 Chrome Notifications?

hichris123

@Undo Yeah, not sure where it would be on a Mac but it's like where the notifications are and things like that.

Undo

as in in settings?

hichris123

I don't know.

Googling.

support.google.com/chrome/answer/3220216?hl=en

Menu bar.

Undo

ah, ok

I don't have any Android things to track my every movement, does that make a difference?

hichris123

00:15

@Undo There's an app for iOS, called Google Search.

Undo

Is there?

looks

hichris123

Sorry, mistyped name.

Undo

Oh

hichris123

Do you see it?

Undo

Yup

hichris123

00:20

Select *
From flags
Where handled = 0 AND site = 'stackoverflow';
/* Affected rows: 0  Found rows: 0  Warnings: 0  Duration for 1 query: 0.156 sec. */

@Undo ^

:P

Undo

Hehe, is that a hint?

hichris123

Maybe...

16 columns, 0 rows.

Undo

Ok, where's a good query?

hichris123

Hmm... gimme a sec.

Hold tight while we fetch your results

Undo

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/160922

^ Importing that one

@hichris123 There, you now have some comments to flag :D

hichris123

00:28

Okay, you want some more?

Undo

sure

hichris123

I'm letting it run so it caches for you.

Undo

Yay for caching!

hichris123

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/160926/accepts

accept answers.

Stuff like that.

Undo

Ah, good one

hichris123

00:32

How much do you pay for EC2 now?

Undo

Wow, 30k of them?

hichris123

@Undo Yep. Amazing.

Undo

@hichris123 Right now I'm still using my $100 credit.

But lemme check the billing thingy.

hichris123

Okay.

Me's just curious how much money it takes for you to do all of this MySQL in the cloud.

Undo

Oh, not much

hichris123

00:35

Me feels like we need a comment flagging army.

Undo

@hichris123 In December: \$5.63 for EC2, plus \$0.02 for S3

@hichris123 We do.

Basically: One consulting project pretty much pays for AWS for a year.

But if we start adding in posts or other biggish things, then I'll probably either look to someone else to host it or accept BTC donations.

Because eventually it'll outgrow me :P

hichris123

@Undo Huh. Interesting.

Me wishes I could work on consulting projects and actually make money.

Undo

@hichris123 You just have to find someone to consult for ;)

hichris123

Oh god:

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/160958

@Undo I don't know who.

@ThiefMaster Have a bunch of comments for you.

Undo

@hichris123 Not sure those are deletable. Let's see what TM says

hichris123

00:46

@Undo I think they are, because do they really add anything to the post?

Undo

I dunno, they make SO look friendly :P

hichris123

SO isn't friendly. :P

Undo

yeah, but still...

hichris123

Meh, I don't know.

What would you do if I DDoS'ed your server? :P

Undo

Hmm...

First, I would blame Manish

Then I would take it offline

hichris123

00:50

Heh.

How many helpful flags do you have, @Undo?

Undo

@hichris123 On SO? 3555

hichris123

1603 now for me.

Undo

Yay!

hichris123

I do need an autoflagger, that I just click all the ones to flag and it auto flags them for me, every day.

Undo

hehe, it would sure be nice, huh?

But we can't even make the cronjob work ;(

hichris123

01:00

Yep. And also for flag to close and stuff.

@Undo I don't understand it.

Undo

I don't either.

It should work.

hichris123

Nope, didn't work.

I thought maybe you could reply to a message not in your chat room.

Undo

I don't think you can

hichris123

You're right.

193 edits all-time on SO for me. :P

Undo

wow

hichris123

01:03

How about you?

Undo

887

hichris123

Heh.

And I feel like I edit too much... :P

hichris123

02:07

@Undo muchcharcoalveryflagwow?

Also, what's your link column in the Users table?

Undo

@hichris123 Both of them are useless, just an experiment I was doing

hichris123

Ah, heh.

Seriously? People approved this? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3841888#./…

Undo

@hichris123 Heh, weird.

hichris123

What would happen if Manish, TM, & Pops were all talking in this room at the same time?

Would you go crazy with blue?

Undo

@hichris123 Yes, probably.

it's happened before

hichris123

02:16

I remember. That would be even more blue, though.

hichris123

04:18

@Undo What's the AWS thingy that has your MySQL database? Is it EC2 or another thingy?

Me has found the perfect use for it.

Undo

@hichris I just have the MySQL db on the instance itself (probably not best practice), but RDS is designed for it.

@hichris What's your use?

hichris123

04:34

@Undo You're going to have to tell me how to do that later.

It's for my Android app. Storing data, then doing a query (train timetables).

Undo

@hichris Note that I'm not sure it comes with the ability to run PHP or whatever API code you want.

So you might need to run an EC2 instance on top of RDS, meaning that you wouldn't get really any RDS-specific benefits unless you have a huge amount of data.

hichris123

Sorry, but I don't understand a thing. :P Is RDS some AWS thingy?

Undo

oh, I sometimes start throwing acronyms around without remembering that some people don't know what they mean :P

Relational Database Service; I.e. a thing designed for running MySQL and PostreSQL, etc. with crazy scalability.

hichris123

Huh, so how would I add something like that onto EC2? Is there some tutorial out there?

Oh, its a AWS thingy.

Gotcha.

Undo

It's its own service; so you connect to it from EC2 (or any other server) the same way you connect to my databases, over the network.

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@hichris flag-plz

hichris123

04:45

Flagged

Undo

> Get all solutions in your life within 24 hours and with 100% guaranteed.

I wonder if he could fix the cronjob.

hichris123

You made me make a chem account. :P

Heh.

I also give good advice call me today — Pekka 웃 10 mins ago

Undo

In related news, someone suggested an edit on mSO advertising handbags.

hichris123

Peeka handbags?

Undo

No, magical quality handbags.

hichris123

04:48

:P

Undo

meta.stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/23798

hichris123

What was the edit?

Never mind...

Undo

magical, Enchanted, rich and luxurious handbags!

hichris123

What the heck?

Undo

Not entirely sure I want an enchanted handbag.

hichris123

04:49

Get animuson to unlock your post.

We do need to increase the quality of our spam.

Undo

I don't think he will.

maybe if we get him to eat enough of those orange dream bars

hichris123

And they didn't even do it on a Peeka post.

Undo

Pekka. Two k's :)

hichris123

Is it bad that when I type Pekka it auto-thinks handbags?

I'm on a tablet, sorry. :)

Undo

Me is too.

hichris123

04:52

But not an iPad for me. :P

Undo

Me has to go now. Cya!

hichris123

Bye.

Sleep is in my future.

ManishEarth

10:51

@Undo So....we won that hackathon :D

free phone! (lumia 520)

Undo

15:07

@ManishEarth Yay for winning!

ManishEarth

@Undo :)

Undo

15:27

looks up lumina 520

@Manish One of those? Shiny.

hichris123

15:59

@Manish Windows Phone... Ug. :P Congrats. What did you make at the hackathon?

ManishEarth

haha

a notebook sorta thing that has fluid math support

hichris123

Like calculator functions?

Undo

My notebook has fluid math support too! I have to provide the compute power, but still...

hichris123

Um, what the heck?

0

A: If CHAR_BIT != 8, what is the size of other types?

1 ⁣⁣⁣⁣

Oh, it is an answer, but doesn't explain anything.

Undo

Heh, invisible HTML entities at the end of it.

hichris123

16:02

Yep.

Undo

Could you add some explanation? — Undo 16 secs ago

hichris123

Thank you. :P

Undo

@Manish Do you have a linky to the hackathon site or something?

ManishEarth

acadaccelerator.com/home/iitbcfd

@hichris123 Nah, typing math

It uses an improved version of manishearth.github.io/MathToTex/MathToTeX.html

Undo

@ManishEarth That's kinda neat.

SE needs to implement something like that :P

hichris123

16:24

@Undo Just curious, since I don't understand all of the AWS pricing stuff: how hard would it be to go out of the free tier and have to pay?

Undo

@hichris123 Well... not very. But you're talking pennies, not anywhere close to dollars.

hichris123

Okay.

If I could I would just sign up and be over with it, but no, it needs a credit card.

Eh, I'll ask my parents later.

Undo

@hichris123 Amazon doesn't already have your credit card number?

hichris123

They do, but my parents would probably be mad at me if I just signed up for some random thing with their credit card. :P

Undo

Ah, makes sense.

hichris123

16:28

RDS, EC2 & S3 look really cool and would make my life easier. :P

Undo

Yes, they are.

@hichris123 I'm at a desktop now if you have any questions.

ManishEarth

@Undo That was the plan when I wrote it

Unfortunately I never finish-ified it and it's due for a major refactoring

hichris123

@Undo Q's regarding AWS?

Undo

@hichris123 Yup

ManishEarth

The current tokenizing is horrible and is done by guessing beforehand which tokens are which

hichris123

16:29

@ManishEarth PDO-ify, finish-ify, is everything now getting an -ify added to it?

ManishEarth

heh

Undo

It's really fun, being able to spin something up, install a bunch of software on the crazy-fast connection, then throwing it away and paying half a penny for the whole thing. Much better than wiping a local machine :P

@ManishEarth How else can it be done?

ManishEarth

@Undo There is a method that tokenizes parentheses, I can teach it how to further split up strings via operators and spaces

Undo

Ah

Where's the code? Me wantz to look

hichris123

@Undo It does sound fun; it's also better in which I don't have to have a local MySQL database and such...

ManishEarth

16:32

Currently a precleaning method adds parentheses so that the breakIntoParentheses() method works

@Undo github.com/Manishearth/manishearth.github.com/blob/master/…

Undo

This couldn't possibly be bad, could it?

hichris123

I need to quit. Now. I had an error, and that makes me need to quit.

Undo

Crap, it happened again :P

Undo

17:15

@hichris123 You're into Android, right? Know anything about Eclipse?

hichris123

17:29

@Undo Yeah, I have Eclipse on my laptop.

Undo

@hichris123 Ok, is there any way whatsoever to make the emulator boot in a sane amount of time?

hichris123

No. :P

Undo

sigh

hichris123

How long have you been waiting?

Undo

@hichris123 I just started it, but I've dabbled around in Eclipse and Android before.

Does letting it use my GPU speed it up?

hichris123

17:32

I don't know. Been so long since I last used the emulator.

Hmm, let me look in my AVD settings.

Undo

I'm going to have to get a device if I want to actually do anything with this :P

hichris123

Do what?

Undo

Actually try to learn Android for real.

Just because.

hichris123

ITS JAVA! GET IT RIGHT. :P

Sorry, couldn't resist.

It's not too bad, you just have to learn to understand some of the concepts.

Undo

Hehe

hichris123

17:34

@Undo What version are you loading up in the Emulator? 4.4?

Undo

@hichris123 Yes

Still... loading...

hichris123

Heh, I could just run it for you, fix any errors, and do it before your Emulator loaded.

ManishEarth

If you hibernate the emulator it isn't so bad

hichris123

Hibernate?

Undo

Current status: not at all impressed with Android :P

hichris123

17:38

The emulator's horrible.

Honestly.

@Undo What do you think of Eclipse?

Undo

@hichris123 Well, the first thing it did was put a big helpful white thing over all my files, and I thought it had eaten them.

hichris123

Heh.

Helpful hint #1: don't import android.R

Undo

hichris123

Oh, you want me to shouw you my Eclipse? I have so much in there... :P

Undo

:P

I like my Xcode.

Primarily because it doesn't eat my files.

hichris123

17:41

I should try Android Studio.

It's Intelli J Community, but adapted by the Android team.

Hiya @bone!

Undo

So... what now? :P

hichris123

Slide the locky thingy to the right...

Undo

hichris123

Heh.

Undo

^ I knew I should have slid it to the left.

hichris123

17:45

Just say ok.

Undo

What the heck is the process system?

hichris123

That's laughable.

@Undo The system process...

Undo

Then why doesn't it say that the system process isn't responding?

hichris123

Heck if I know.

Tip #2: All of Android isn't like that.

Undo

is it worse?

hichris123

17:48

No. :P

Okay, here's my Eclipse:

Undo

Good.

Hiya @MikePennington!

Mike Pennington

hey

I've been browsing the charcoal git repo, so I thought I'd lurk

hichris123

Undo

We like lurkers.

@hichris123 Wow

hichris123

We're pulling in some important people now. :P

Undo

17:50

Yup.

@MikePennington Want a login to Charcoal main? We can pull in comments from NE for you to delete.

hichris123

@Undo Wait till you get your first NPE & stacktrace. :P

Mike Pennington

@Undo I wouldn't mind playing with it

I assume you'll need to mail credentials to me

penningtonthing [at] gmail {dot} com

Undo

@MikePennington Thanks!

hichris123

@Undo Here's a whopping 5 comments for Charcoal from NE data.stackexchange.com/network%20engineering%20stack%20exchange/…

Undo

Gottit.

@hichris123 There must be more somewhere. We shall find them.

bone

17:57

@hi

@hichris123 Hi!

hichris123

@bone What brings you to this part of the universe?

bone

i am too slow to reply

hichris123

Heh.

bone

no idea

was browsing the stack exchange chatrooms

and looked at the name and said what's this about?

hichris123

Well, basically we flag comments that need to be flagged with a handy tool (Charcoal) and sometimes break SE. :P

bone

17:59

So you are all moderator on SE ?

hichris123

No. I wish. :P

Undo

Not diamond mods.

bone

but you have enough points to be able to flag and stuff?

Undo

@hichris Could you make Mike his login? I just dropped off the face of the Interwebs.

@bone Yes.

hichris123

@bone Yeah, it's 15 rep.

@Undo Okay, I don't know how you drop off of the face of the Internet, but sure.

Undo

18:01

Pretty much my laptop decided to stop playing nice with my router. So now I'm on my tablet.

bone

haha, too much work. I used to be in completely unmoderated forums a while back. anarchy reigned, and it was fun

Undo

I bet it has to do with Eclipse.

hichris123

@Undo Blame everything on eclipse.

bone

Eclipse? So are we all programmers as well ?

Undo

Most of the regulars are.

hichris123

18:02

Why isn't your website loading, @Undo!

Undo

@hichris Oh dear.

hichris123

Okay, it's better now.

Undo

Whew.

bone

cool, well, i willleave you to your duties then...

hichris123

@Undo @MikePennington User added.

Mike Pennington

18:04

ty!

Undo

Yay!

hichris123

No problem. Have fun! :P

@Undo Mike is our 19th user.

Undo

Wow.

@hichris The thing that's really neat is how many hollow diamonds are on that users page :D

hichris123

@Undo Yep.

Okay, your server does too much stuff.

Could you look at the CPU usage & stuff?

Undo

@hichris123 Yes... why? Is it really really slow?

hichris123

18:08

Kind of.

Yeah, it is.

Mike Pennington

@Undo, how likely is it that we can have a url link to the actual comment next to the text?

hichris123

@MikePennington Click on the comment text.

It's a link.

And then show context shows the comment thread.

Mike Pennington

@hichris123 apologies, I meant when the context is up

Undo

@MikePennington Oh, as in in the timestamp like SE does?

Mike Pennington

yes, the timestamp hyperlink

Undo

18:11

Quite likely.

hichris123

Huh, I kind of like that idea.

Mike Pennington

you don't have to include the whole comment in the <a> body

Undo

Good idea.

Another good idea: Putting Charcoal in its own server at some point :P

Mike Pennington

just something like <a href="http://...">url</a> INSERT COMMENT TEXT HERE

Undo

Yes...

Mike Pennington

18:13

also, when comments are flagged, what account is doing the actual flagging?

I assume it's not mine... just wondering which one it is

Undo

@MikePennington Oh, you have to actually go to the site and flag the comment.

hichris123

@MikePennington You actually have to click the generate button at the top thingy, which gives you some JS to put in your browser console on the site.

Undo

Otherwise you would have to OAuth with the app, and then I would have the potential to do evil things in your name. Which for some reason freaks people out :P

Mike Pennington

@hichris123 ok, making more sense now

hichris123

@Undo charcoalveryflagmuch or whatever? :P

Undo

18:15

Looks not good.

runs htop

hichris123

Yeah... :P

See what I mean.

Undo

Someone isn't running that crazy cronjob, are they? :P

hichris123

Not unless someone's hacking you, which they may be. :P

Oooh, idea to DDoS you: just run the cronjob 24/7

Undo

reminds self to fix cronjob

Okay.... umm...

Sure doesn't look like 100% :P

hichris123

Maybe it went crazy for a sec...

Undo

18:18

I hope so...

hichris123

@Undo Where's your getting comments API doc linky?

Or do I actually have to Google it? :P

Undo

@hichris123 For just getting them?

Or for doing bad things to them?

hichris123

Nevermind, I got it.

@Undo Heh.

Undo

The spike is going away now.

I've got to go, cya

hichris123

Bye.

Mike Pennington

18:28

@undo, when you return... WRT this comment, there's no need to scan locked posts, because the comments can't be flagged... save yourself some horsepower and ignore locked posts

hichris123

@Mike Question for you that you may or may not know: is there a way to exclude locked posts in SEDE?

Mike Pennington

@hichris123 I am not intimately familiar with SEDE, but I looked through the list of variables and didn't see a way that I could find

hichris123

Okay, thanks.

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