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Glorfindel

6:02 PM

@SmokeDetector mod-flagged, let's see what happens.

quartata

Hmm.. I think the conflicts_with is too tough to work with

I think a good/neutral/bad classification might be better

Jake Symons

Does the green bar on suggested edits ever move across?

quartata

@ArtOfCode Is there a way to make AR use some size of tinyint or am I stuck with regular integers?

ArtOfCode

sure

specify tinyint

quartata

...oh

ArtOfCode

6:09 PM

but if you want a boolean then use boolean

Jake Symons

Is this for inferno? @ArtOfCode

ArtOfCode

I assume so

quartata

Looks like I want smallint

Or is that 2 bytes

Wait

Nevermind haven't had any coffee today...

Jake Symons

Look at the attached image on this post I found on SO. Is that X Factor?

SmokeDetector

API quota rolled over with 7887 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.

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quartata

6:21 PM

Interesting. Smokey appears to be one of the few bots that actually listen to the realtime websocket currently

Everything else fetches latest questions from SO

So it's occurred to me one of the biggest advantages could be allowing easy expansion to other sites

Jake Symons

-1

Q: Super Basic Docker and Angular2 Setup

I need a simple working example of Docker + Node/Angular2. If anyone can find one that actually works i will pay you.

Pay on a free site, that works :)

Mithrandir

@quartata How do you figure that?

quartata

@Mithrandir Figure what?

Jake Symons

The meaning of life?

Mithrandir

@quartata How do you know how many bots watch the socket?

quartata

6:35 PM

Reading their source code

I went through most of the SOBotics code to know what Inferno needed

Which was rough because most of the bots are in Java

CalvT븃

7:02 PM

Any thoughts on that ^ before I submit?

Not too happy with the flame yet, but don't have the time to try and fix it

Mithrandir

That flame looks a bit pixelated

CalvT븃

Yeah the 3d effect is messing up the individual shapes

I wanted to make it look as if it was it's own element, not simply "painted" on the shield

Like how on shields the coat of arms is crafted seperately, then stuck/bolted/whatever onto the shield

ArtOfCode

7:20 PM

@CalvT븃 two thoughts: can you make a flat version as well as the gradient version, and have you got a design file that I can have a copy of

maybe a drop shadow around the flame instead of the 3D effect might work?

CalvT븃

6

@ArtOfCode was going to submit that ^

But can give you the AI file if you want

ArtOfCode

@CalvT븃 go for it

wouldn't mind the AI file anyway, so I can play with it, but submit away :)

CalvT븃

@ArtOfCode any prefered way?

As in sending you the file

ArtOfCode

@CalvT븃 whatever's easiest. There's an email address on my profile if that's the easiest, or Drive, or whatever

CalvT븃

hello @ArtOfCode yeah?

ArtOfCode

7:27 PM

aye

CalvT븃

Ok sent

ArtOfCode

ta

Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector k (was mod flagged and deleted)

SmokeDetector

Conflicting feedback on Способы восстановления поврежденных файлов Excel?.

Glorfindel

^ @ArtOfCode FYI that conflicts with your feedback.

ArtOfCode

7:39 PM

that would be because my feedback is wrong

doppelgreener

@CalvT븃 SNAZZY.

I like it!

Submit to what though? Is there a smokey logo competition going on?

ArtOfCode

@doppelgreener yup --->

SmokeDetector

8:07 PM

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Glorfindel

@SmokeDetector f

SmokeDetector

8:21 PM

Restart: API quota is 18707.

SmokeDetector

8:46 PM

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tpu- by Glorfindel

DJMcMayhem

Flags on this post ended up being declined. :/

Undo

it's just a bad question

SmokeDetector

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tpu- by Glorfindel

Glorfindel

could be a compromised account ...

quartata

9:02 PM

@ArtOfCode While writing up the README for Inferno I ended up changing how the config is structured to account some of the stuff I've thought of over the past few days:

se pls

oh I see

oh well

    {
        "types": {
            "posts|comments|edits|suggested_edits|reviews": {
                "sites": "*|<site name>",

                "query": {
                    "method": "POST|GET",
                    "route": "...",

                    "response": {
                        "key": "...",
                        "type": "switch|score",

                        "reasons_key": "..."
                    }

                    "templates": {
                        "chat": "...",
                        "web": "..."

@ArtOfCode I know it's long but could you go through it to see if the structure is at least somewhat self-evident?

I'm going to explain what each key does but

This will probably take some restructuring of the models :/

I was hoping to not have to make extra migrations

ArtOfCode

9:17 PM

@quartata what are types.query, types.query.templates, commands.type, and rooms.x.x.deletionwatcher and conditions?

quartata

types.query is the dictionary defining where to post to and how

types.query.templates contains the template string for formatting the chat report and also the Handlebars template for the web view

ArtOfCode

@quartata where to post what to? for what purpose?

quartata

for scanning the post

ArtOfCode

these are mostly questions for a README to answer, but they will need to be answered

quartata

this is the per-bot configuration

@ArtOfCode I'm in the middle of answering them in the README

I'm still writing it

commands.type can be one of three: static, local, remote

ArtOfCode

9:18 PM

@quartata that feels like they should be not part of the config file

quartata

static will just post the string contained in data

ArtOfCode

views are kinda things that should have their own file

quartata

@ArtOfCode This isn't a file, it's posted to /bots/create or /bots/update_json

Bot authors will probably store it in a file in their repo

Then post it as part of a deploy (perhaps from CI)

ArtOfCode

the chat template is borderline, I guess, but the web view could still kinda do with being separate

@quartata I'd suggest a separate route for it. /bots/update_template/:type or something, and just take the entire request body as the template - means you don't have to JSON-encode it first

quartata

for the web template?

perhaps. It probably will be the largest part of the file

aside from any local commands

which I didn't finish explaining

remote will post the message to a given HTTP endpoint and reply with the response

local is the one I haven't fully figured out yet. I intend for data to be some sort of DSL that can do limited database queries and string manipulation

It's to fill the gap for things like why or autoflagged?

It's stuff that Inferno doesn't need to wake up the bot for

It's all based on stuff in the database

Here's the information on the post types by the way:

- `types` Contains one or more keys defining the post types this bot is subscribed to:
    - `questions`: This monitors the SE real-time websocket (`155-questions-active`) and reports all questions bumped, **with their answers included.** If you're only interested in answers, subscribe to this anyways and scan only the answers (children of `"answers"` key).

    - `comments`: This polls the API route `/comments` to retrieve new comments at an allocation-dependent rate (see Allocations). This post type does not support the `"sites": "*"` (all sites) option -- you must specify specific sites.

re the last note: I may consider asking for a "real-time" tab for review queues across all sites where you have review privileges -- this would force them to add a 155-review-dashboard-update that we could listen for all sites

unlikely but

Oh I forgot: rooms.x.x.deletionwatcher is for deleting chat reports if the posts have been deleted

And conditions defines what gets posted to the room (like our msg_types)

basically you can put a key that's in the response, and then have a condition like "key must be greater than 6" or "key must be equal to xyz"

I forgot an in predicate

so you can have "key must not contain All-caps answer" or some such

hmmm I wonder if the rooms dictionary should be under a specific post type

I think I should specify the interface (what each bot route is expected to get/return) first before the configuration

Andy

9:46 PM

@quartata You aren't going to get it. A month or so ago there was a meta post saying development was frozen.

quartata

That was for Christmas, no?

I mean, we got a fix for that API bug

Andy

Bug fix is different than new feature

quartata

Fair, but you're implying a total freeze

also technically this was a new feature

it needed to not cache empty responses

it wasn't a bug in an existing feature per se

more like a corner case

but I'm being pedantic

ArtOfCode

@Andy how did I miss that

Andy

I'm looking for the post, but it's a common term. Give me a few

quartata

9:51 PM

yeah because if shit breaks around christmas you have unhappy customers and unhappy employees

Andy

Ok. Yes. You are being pedantic.

quartata

fixing bugs caused by a new deploy on christmas eve is a good way to get resignations

Undo

DigitalOcean dropping prices and/or adding capacity to instance types. This makes them a possible viable alternative for MS hosting.

$5/no one now has 1G ram.

quartata

how many cores?

yes I know I'm obsessed with cores

Undo

Probably one.

quartata

9:55 PM

well still 1G ram

not bad

of course MS's problem isn't really RAM I wouldn't imagine

Wow, I had no idea how much stuff there was to write for this README...

This is like the ultimate rubber duck

Andy

@ArtOfCode it was an update, not a brand new post. meta.stackexchange.com/a/291032/186281. They are focusing development effort on Channels

"We appreciate your patience during this period, and we’ll update you again as soon as we have a better ETA on when we’ll be able to start scheduling new features."

ArtOfCode

ah, that would be why I missed it

SmokeDetector

10:30 PM

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quartata

11:04 PM

Inferno README

5

cc @ArtOfCode @Undo @JF

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ArtOfCode

@quartata Double quota key is a discussion we need to have if that's something we want to do. 20k was authorized for Smokey specifically, not anything else.

quartata

@ArtOfCode ok I can take that out

ArtOfCode

already did ;)

quartata

Wait

You need to edit the Quota Allocation section too

I used 20,000 requests for the calculations

ArtOfCode

11:07 PM

heh, hadn't got that far yet

quartata

It's very very long, sorry

But it kinda has a lot to cover

ArtOfCode

...this sounds like a bad idea

edited, but...

quartata

hm?

ArtOfCode

why are we not making bots register on StackApps and give us their own request keys, then splitting requests across those

feels like individual bots should be registered individually, regardless of whether they all use the same service to do their work

quartata

Regardless of whether we use multiple keys and pool their quota, we still have to dictate how much quota we use for each type

ArtOfCode

11:11 PM

sure

quartata

That's what that section is about

The post types aren't the bots themselves, they're the routes

ArtOfCode

but that can be something we define as a percentage of total requests, rather than an absolute value

quartata

Oh, that.

Yeah I thought of that

ArtOfCode

then if we have one bot using inferno, we have 10k requests - if we have 23 bots using it, then we have 230k requests

quartata

My concern was that if our quota changed, I didn't want the quota allocated to change with

It needs to be updated

ArtOfCode

11:12 PM

why not?

set it as a percentage, calculate the actual values on app startup (and update as necessary), and scale your request rate based on the total available

quartata

Even if Badges only get 1% of the quota, that doesn't necessarily mean it should be 200 requests per day = polled every 5 minutes if our quota suddenly doubled

That's a waste of quota, we'd want to assign that elsewhere

Well at any rate we can change that fairly simply

It doesn't affect the intent of that section I think

See this is why this README is good. I thought I had already told you about this but I guess I was wrong, so here's my projectile barf of ideas for you :P

ArtOfCode

@quartata that's true enough - you could probably define it as a mathematical function of total instead, to solve that case

quartata

Ah yeah

Like it can be linear but with a maximum

max(c * total, d)

I posted this to SOBotics by the way. Petter said he'd pin it but I don't think he's on right now

anyways keep reading if you haven't finished it

ArtOfCode

or better, badges_quota = Math.log(total_requests + 1)

quartata

because I'm sure there's things I missed from the config section

@ArtOfCode ln or log10?

(assuming log10)

ArtOfCode

11:18 PM

@quartata Math.log is log_10

quartata

Yeah OK that makes sense

Although I think you meant Math.log(total_requests) + 1?

unless you're thinking total requests = 9999

ArtOfCode

no I meant Math.log(total_requests + 1)

for mathematical correctness

quartata

ohhh gotcha

ArtOfCode

n = 0; log_10(n) = 0; log_10(n + 1) = 1

quartata

do excuse if I'm a little weird, I just got a bunch of blood drawn

ArtOfCode

11:20 PM

though now I think about it the former would make more sense

quartata

anyways if I do make that language for local commands we could use that to specify the allocation functions

ArtOfCode

@quartata pinned

quartata

cheers

ArtOfCode

and you'd want more than plain log_10, but details can be worked out

maybe x = 100 * log_10((t / 10000) + 1)

quartata

where are you in the README so far?

I have a few questions to direct towards you when you have reached particular sections

ArtOfCode

11:25 PM

I'm not, I'm playing with functions :P

quartata

figures

ArtOfCode

@quartata question away and I'll answer when I hit 'em

@quartata yeah, literally

quartata

I like desmos for this sort of thing

@ArtOfCode ok

ArtOfCode

@quartata precisely what I'm using

quartata

So for the commands I structured it like the traditional prefix/reply command thing we've got

But what I failed to realize is that the SOBotics bots like to do stuff like this:

@SmokeDetector alive

SmokeDetector

11:26 PM

@quartata Post - Username similar to website

quartata

woops

Or

@Smoke alive

that is, they ping it for their prefix commands

And since it follows the usual ping rules, the actual ping part changes

It could be SmokeDetector or Smoke or Smoked (not SnokeDetector though, sorry angus)

For now I just brushed it off by saying use aliases buuuutt

I don't want to get a bunch of questions why @Natt tp doesn't work anymore, just @Nat and @Natty

Or @FireAla

that is to say, you can only sanely put the most common prefixes in

ArtOfCode

regex

quartata

Yeah that was my conclusion too but I don't want people to use those for every command because it'll make dispatch slow

ArtOfCode

make the chat auth routes return username as well as ID and regex that

quartata

Oh

hmmm

ArtOfCode

11:29 PM

@quartata no reason why it should

quartata

@ArtOfCode Sorry, I thought you meant rather than having the command names be plain have them be regexes

Like "@Nat(\w*?) alive": {...}

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ArtOfCode

well you could

that would still not be slow

quartata

It would be much slower than a trie

I mean I'd do it

but I was hoping only a select few commands would be like that if I did implement it

o shit I just realized I totally left out arity

ArtOfCode

but by "much slower" you mean "much slower" in local-machine terms, i.e. a few milliseconds

quartata

11:31 PM