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8:10 PM

@DEAD replies are context. You discover this after spending some time in TL.

@ArtOfCode "Without questioN" is a little unfair. We all could see the thread. We can all read the community guidelines. This guy came across as incredibly entitled. Its probably fair to say that everyone who came across this and regarded it as worth a second of their time downvoted it

People (often CM's) say random stuff to random mods, and you think what? until you follow the reply chain.

@ArtOfCode Well, I've discovered that before spending time in TL.

What does that make me?

@Magisch yeah, point. I'm just amused that it's 100% downvotes.

@DEAD a pre-mod.

Cool

Where's my pre-mod swag?

8:12 PM

@ArtOfCode Well yeah, the "I'm so anti SE policy" crowd usually doesn't leave meta.SO

@DEAD good luck with that campaign

@Magisch true

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword with email in body, bad keyword with email in title, email in title: Buy Real And Novelty Passports,Driver's Licenses,ID Cards (documenthome1980@gmail.com) by gracebrian007 on money.stackexchange.com …

tpu- by Magisch

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Buy Real And Novelty Passports,Driver's Licenses,ID Cards by gracebrian007 on money.stackexchange.com …

@SmokeDetector tpu- gone

sd why

[:31672828] Title - Position 1-31: Buy Real And Novelty Passports
Title - Position 60-86: documenthome1980@gmail.com
Title - Position 60-87: documenthome1980@gmail.com)
Title - Keyword *Passports* with email documenthome1980@gmail.com
Body - Position 373-404: quality </p>

<p>fake passports, Position 770-801: quality Authentic and passports
Post - Keyword *passports* with email documenthome1980@gmail.com

8:23 PM

It's annoying if a Smokey report is just as wide as the chat message space and when you try to click the ellipsis link in the end, the star/flag/reply thing hovers over it.

@ArtOfCode @undo What about making the metasmoke link in Smokey reports more wide to prevent this?

user image

I usually change the browser zoom then. Not opposed to a wider link, but it should be unobtrusive. What character(s) should it use?

I ran into that a few days ago. It could be easily solved by moving the ellipsis earlier in the message, but I'm not sure how we could do that in a pretty-ish way.

Also, not sure it's a big enough problem to warrant change - but I don't have much data on it

What about replacing the link in the [ SmokeDetector ] prefix?

Might be a little disorienting without that prefix we've had for years, not sure.

I once proposed that, someone didn't like it (hichris, I think)

8:31 PM

I don't really like it, but I could probably be persuaded with a real example.

The prefix would stay, just point the link to the metasmoke post instead of the github repo.

Hrmph, that's interesting

Discussion of links to MS

Feb 18 at 0:52, 23 minutes total – 16 messages, 3 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 18 secs ago by zaq

This is what we went through earlier. (The [?] link was later found too obtrusive/annoying and replaced by the ellipsis.)

I honestly didn't mind the [?]. I think someone brought up in the Tavern though that it was annoying.

[?] vs ... is orthogonal to the issue at hand, because both suffer from the flaw Byte Commander pointed out.

8:39 PM

True, but... is it really worth fixing? I think this happens like once per 1k reports or something like that -- not too often.

It happens more often than that to me (with 125% zoom in Chrome, lines are shorter (no, not getting eyeglasses yet)).

I wonder if putting some whitespace after the link would fix it. Or invisible characters. Something nonbreaking, to force wrapping earlier.

Hmm... wonder if there's a meta report for something like this. Though at the rate chat changes, it would probably be better for us to fix.

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Q: Chat message mouse-over actions obscure links at end of line

The chat message mouse-over actions obscure the end of the chat message, which is not normally an issue unless there is a link there: Becomes, on mouse-over: And the link at the end of the line cannot be clicked, as the action icons overlap it when the mouse is moved to click the link. Only...

and

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Q: Teaser in chat a.k.a. chat post options overlap the message

When a link is shared in chat and it ends up in a specific position on the screen it is impossible to click it (without fiddling with the DOM). As you can see in the printscreen above a link is in a post at the end of the line. However when I try to click the link the post options overlays the...

bug chat design

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: How to make Brother DCP540CN scanner function in 16.04 LTS by XBurtik XBurtik on askubuntu.com …

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8:56 PM

fyi, m.erwaysoftware.com and ms.erwaysoftware.com now redirect to metasmoke. Might be useful for saving a few chars on that link

@SmokeDetector why

@Seth Post - Keyword many thanks with link <a href="https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Scanner/Brother/"

@undo If using https, Chrome shows a scary message instead of redirecting: Attackers might be trying to steal your information from m.erwaysoftware.com

@zaq oh, because there's no HTTPS cert. Lemme fix that

@zaq How about now?

@undo Works now. 👍

9:02 PM

Awesome

We could make a longer line of dots: ………… (this is 4 ellipsis characters)

Would this be excessive/aanoying?

Might be, not sure

It almost looks like 2 or 3 would be enough to out-width the toolbar

Three weren't always enough in my tests. I do agree that excessive repetition is excessive.

123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 1234567 …MS…

How about this, with MS letters surrounded by dots?

Or _MS_

Might look better lowercase to get rid of some height, but otherwise I like it

…ms…

Hmrph, not sure

Maybe <MS> or <ms>

Not as wide though

9:15 PM

﷽ would work if we're going for width :P

Maybe ؁ms؁

__ms__ a la Python

I think fancy shapes would become annoying after a while.

It'd be nice to have a really wide underscore-ish thing to use

؁ is kinda close, but a little wiggly still

Doubling underscores isn't a big expense. Especially with the metasmoke -> m savings

Indeed

@undo "in the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate"... here are your spam reports.

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9:19 PM

@Doorknob is that what that means? :P

Apparently. Looked it up on Wiktionary. :P

Hah.

As amusing as that is, maybe it's not a great choice

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^ that would be wide enough, but ...

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: Insert data through a package calling a procedure by Shashi Kanth on stackoverflow.com …

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9:46 PM

@undo That only shows up as Unicode replacement [FDFD]...

10:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Edit content of footer in wordpress via admin by MOixx Ansari on stackoverflow.com …

Maybe keep three dots, but as fullwidth dots instead of a single ellipsis: ．．．

Can you see those ^, @ByteCommander?

I think it's both unobtrusive and much wider.

I can see them, but they're still smaller than the hover toolbar.

Five dots instead of 3? ．．．．．

But this may become more obtrusive.

!!/report magento.stackexchange.com/a/131356

10:33 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Custom Payment Module not showing in checkout by screw you on magento.stackexchange.com …

What was wrong with [ms]?

[ms] is relatively narrow

If we're just going for width, use the whole word

(metasmoke)

Or (ms report)

same length

Or put it up the start of the message. [ SmokeDetector (ms) ]

10:48 PM

There's also the thing about seeing (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) at the end of every report

On the other hand, people got used to seeking [ SmokeDetector ] at the beginning...

So I think that could work.

@zaq It would certainly be the end of the world

@zaq I think the number or density of the dots doesn't matter. Their being a dot does.

11:11 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Save the previous state of an ajax page by Wilton Calderon on stackoverflow.com …

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11:25 PM

[ SmokeDetector (ms) ] Bad keyword in username: how do i contact Facebook Phone Number? by Facebook Support Number on stackoverflow.com

@zaq, @undo - how's that ^ look?

Doesn't seem.. quite right

You're not used to it, of course not

the unbalanced brackets are triggering my OCD :P

Unbalanced? Where?

11:32 PM

Well not unbalanced

I actually rather like it

But the square brackets look a little lop-sided

Yeah, the content isn't centred in the square brackets, but... meh, it's text, it never will be

My thought is that moving it to the start of the message completely eliminates the problem, and means it doesn't have to be so wide

What if it was [ SmokeDetector | MS ] instead? More symmetric, no nested brackets.

Yeah, like that

11:34 PM

I like that too

Aye

I like it too

Well I think that's an overwhelming yes

\o/ something that everyone likes

@ArtOfCode If you're making that change, go ahead and change metasmoke to m in the URL

m.erwaysoftware.com/...

save us a few chars

11:36 PM

Is that a shortened subdomain? Never knew we had one

I'm not right now, it's 00:36, but I will in the morning if nobody else has done it by then

I've got it

BTW it's a change that needs to be made in a few places in Smokey code, because there are places that parse chat messages and expect a particular link.

Cool

oh right.

11:37 PM

@ArtOfCode You are lucky, its 1:36

Tests might need checking too

Maybe this isn't a thing I should do right before going out to eat.

@undo probably a good idea

@undo I'll do it later.

sounds great, thanks

11:37 PM

Also, @undo @art, while you're in here, how hard is it to make smokey report to another site specific chatroom?

I was the last one who messed with that code, iirc.

Although somehow the tests passed on this one

@angussidney it's not

@angussidney Not very, although we try to reduce bloat where we can. Why?

@undo Tests wouldn't be affected. Parsing to get site/id, etc from chat reports...

11:38 PM

I was thinking of proposing to my main site whether or not they would like to get smokey for their site

@zaq Right, was responding to Art's thought

Of course, if you would prefer to keep the number of chatrooms to a minimum, thats fine too

@angussidney gaming? Take a look at metasmoke stats, see how much spam they get. If it's not much, it's probably not worth it.

Seem to get decent volume

7th last month

11:41 PM

But yeah, I'd be fine adding it in the Bridge if they want it.

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: No control over jack volume by BruhHacker_269 on raspberrypi.stackexchange.com …

I might make a meta post and see what they think, if that's ok with you

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Fine by me

I'll ping you when a decision has been made

Or I could figure it out for myself then send a PR

3-ish a day. Yeah, that's plenty enough to warrant a chatroom, or just Bridge itself.

11:44 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: Can't make sticky footer. Do I have a huge bug in my code? by The__Malteser on stackoverflow.com …

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