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ArtOfCode

20:10

@DEAD replies are context. You discover this after spending some time in TL.

Magisch

@ArtOfCode "Without questioN" is a little unfair. We all could see the thread. We can all read the community guidelines. This guy came across as incredibly entitled. Its probably fair to say that everyone who came across this and regarded it as worth a second of their time downvoted it

ArtOfCode

People (often CM's) say random stuff to random mods, and you think what? until you follow the reply chain.

DEAD

@ArtOfCode Well, I've discovered that before spending time in TL.

What does that make me?

ArtOfCode

@Magisch yeah, point. I'm just amused that it's 100% downvotes.

@DEAD a pre-mod.

DEAD

Cool

Where's my pre-mod swag?

Magisch

20:12

@ArtOfCode Well yeah, the "I'm so anti SE policy" crowd usually doesn't leave meta.SO

ArtOfCode

@DEAD good luck with that campaign

@Magisch true

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword with email in body, bad keyword with email in title, email in title: Buy Real And Novelty Passports,Driver's Licenses,ID Cards ([email protected]) by gracebrian007 on money.stackexchange.com …

tpu- by Magisch

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Buy Real And Novelty Passports,Driver's Licenses,ID Cards by gracebrian007 on money.stackexchange.com …

zaq

@SmokeDetector tpu- gone

Byte Commander

sd why

SmokeDetector

[:31672828] Title - Position 1-31: Buy Real And Novelty Passports
Title - Position 60-86: [email protected]
Title - Position 60-87: [email protected])
Title - Keyword *Passports* with email [email protected]
Body - Position 373-404: quality </p>

<p>fake passports, Position 770-801: quality Authentic and passports
Post - Keyword *passports* with email [email protected]

Byte Commander

20:23

It's annoying if a Smokey report is just as wide as the chat message space and when you try to click the ellipsis link in the end, the star/flag/reply thing hovers over it.

@ArtOfCode @undo What about making the metasmoke link in Smokey reports more wide to prevent this?

zaq

I usually change the browser zoom then. Not opposed to a wider link, but it should be unobtrusive. What character(s) should it use?

undo

I ran into that a few days ago. It could be easily solved by moving the ellipsis earlier in the message, but I'm not sure how we could do that in a pretty-ish way.

Also, not sure it's a big enough problem to warrant change - but I don't have much data on it

Byte Commander

What about replacing the link in the [ SmokeDetector ] prefix?

undo

Might be a little disorienting without that prefix we've had for years, not sure.

zaq

I once proposed that, someone didn't like it (hichris, I think)

undo

20:31

I don't really like it, but I could probably be persuaded with a real example.

Byte Commander

The prefix would stay, just point the link to the metasmoke post instead of the github repo.

undo

Hrmph, that's interesting

zaq

Discussion of links to MS

Feb 18 at 0:52, 23 minutes total – 16 messages, 3 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 18 secs ago by zaq

This is what we went through earlier. (The [?] link was later found too obtrusive/annoying and replaced by the ellipsis.)

hichris123

I honestly didn't mind the [?]. I think someone brought up in the Tavern though that it was annoying.

zaq

[?] vs ... is orthogonal to the issue at hand, because both suffer from the flaw Byte Commander pointed out.

hichris123

20:39

True, but... is it really worth fixing? I think this happens like once per 1k reports or something like that -- not too often.

zaq

It happens more often than that to me (with 125% zoom in Chrome, lines are shorter (no, not getting eyeglasses yet)).

I wonder if putting some whitespace after the link would fix it. Or invisible characters. Something nonbreaking, to force wrapping earlier.

hichris123

Hmm... wonder if there's a meta report for something like this. Though at the rate chat changes, it would probably be better for us to fix.

8

Q: Chat message mouse-over actions obscure links at end of line

The chat message mouse-over actions obscure the end of the chat message, which is not normally an issue unless there is a link there: Becomes, on mouse-over: And the link at the end of the line cannot be clicked, as the action icons overlap it when the mouse is moved to click the link. Only...

and

5

Q: Teaser in chat a.k.a. chat post options overlap the message

When a link is shared in chat and it ends up in a specific position on the screen it is impossible to click it (without fiddling with the DOM). As you can see in the printscreen above a link is in a post at the end of the line. However when I try to click the link the post options overlays the...

bug chat design

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: How to make Brother DCP540CN scanner function in 16.04 LTS by XBurtik XBurtik on askubuntu.com …

zaq

sd f n

undo

20:56

fyi, m.erwaysoftware.com and ms.erwaysoftware.com now redirect to metasmoke. Might be useful for saving a few chars on that link

Seth

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@Seth Post - Keyword many thanks with link <a href="https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Scanner/Brother/"

zaq

@undo If using https, Chrome shows a scary message instead of redirecting: Attackers might be trying to steal your information from m.erwaysoftware.com

undo

@zaq oh, because there's no HTTPS cert. Lemme fix that

@zaq How about now?

zaq

@undo Works now. 👍

undo

21:02

Awesome

zaq

We could make a longer line of dots: ………… (this is 4 ellipsis characters)

Would this be excessive/aanoying?

undo

Might be, not sure

It almost looks like 2 or 3 would be enough to out-width the toolbar

zaq

Three weren't always enough in my tests. I do agree that excessive repetition is excessive.

123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 1234567 …MS…

How about this, with MS letters surrounded by dots?

Or _MS_

undo

Might look better lowercase to get rid of some height, but otherwise I like it

…ms…

Hmrph, not sure

zaq

Maybe <MS> or <ms>

Not as wide though

undo

21:15

﷽ would work if we're going for width :P

Maybe ؁ms؁

zaq

__ms__ a la Python

I think fancy shapes would become annoying after a while.

undo

It'd be nice to have a really wide underscore-ish thing to use

؁ is kinda close, but a little wiggly still

zaq

Doubling underscores isn't a big expense. Especially with the metasmoke -> m savings

undo

Indeed

Doorknob

@undo "in the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate"... here are your spam reports.

4

undo

21:19

@Doorknob is that what that means? :P

Doorknob

Apparently. Looked it up on Wiktionary. :P

undo

Hah.

As amusing as that is, maybe it's not a great choice

zaq

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^ that would be wide enough, but ...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body: Insert data through a package calling a procedure by Shashi Kanth on stackoverflow.com …

undo

sd k

Byte Commander

21:46

@undo That only shows up as Unicode replacement [FDFD]...

SmokeDetector

22:14

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Edit content of footer in wordpress via admin by MOixx Ansari on stackoverflow.com …

zaq

Maybe keep three dots, but as fullwidth dots instead of a single ellipsis: ．．．

Can you see those ^, @ByteCommander?

I think it's both unobtrusive and much wider.

Byte Commander

I can see them, but they're still smaller than the hover toolbar.

zaq

Five dots instead of 3? ．．．．．

But this may become more obtrusive.

!!/report magento.stackexchange.com/a/131356

SmokeDetector

22:33

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Custom Payment Module not showing in checkout by screw you on magento.stackexchange.com …

ArtOfCode

What was wrong with [ms]?

zaq

[ms] is relatively narrow

ArtOfCode

If we're just going for width, use the whole word

(metasmoke)

Or (ms report)

same length

Or put it up the start of the message. [ SmokeDetector (ms) ]

zaq

22:48

There's also the thing about seeing (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) (metasmoke) at the end of every report

On the other hand, people got used to seeking [ SmokeDetector ] at the beginning...

So I think that could work.

DEAD

@zaq It would certainly be the end of the world

@zaq I think the number or density of the dots doesn't matter. Their being a dot does.

SmokeDetector

23:11

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Save the previous state of an ajax page by Wilton Calderon on stackoverflow.com …

zaq

sd f n

SmokeDetector

23:25

[ SmokeDetector (ms) ] Bad keyword in username: how do i contact Facebook Phone Number? by Facebook Support Number on stackoverflow.com

ArtOfCode

@zaq, @undo - how's that ^ look?

angussidney

Doesn't seem.. quite right

ArtOfCode

You're not used to it, of course not

angussidney

the unbalanced brackets are triggering my OCD :P

ArtOfCode

Unbalanced? Where?

angussidney

23:32

Well not unbalanced

undo

I actually rather like it

angussidney

But the square brackets look a little lop-sided

ArtOfCode

Yeah, the content isn't centred in the square brackets, but... meh, it's text, it never will be

My thought is that moving it to the start of the message completely eliminates the problem, and means it doesn't have to be so wide

zaq

What if it was [ SmokeDetector | MS ] instead? More symmetric, no nested brackets.

angussidney

Yeah, like that

undo

23:34

I like that too

ArtOfCode

Aye

Ferrybig

I like it too

angussidney

Well I think that's an overwhelming yes

ArtOfCode

\o/ something that everyone likes

undo

@ArtOfCode If you're making that change, go ahead and change metasmoke to m in the URL

m.erwaysoftware.com/...

save us a few chars

angussidney

23:36

Is that a shortened subdomain? Never knew we had one

ArtOfCode

I'm not right now, it's 00:36, but I will in the morning if nobody else has done it by then

undo

I've got it

zaq

BTW it's a change that needs to be made in a few places in Smokey code, because there are places that parse chat messages and expect a particular link.

ArtOfCode

Cool

undo

oh right.

Ferrybig

23:37

@ArtOfCode You are lucky, its 1:36

ArtOfCode

Tests might need checking too

undo

Maybe this isn't a thing I should do right before going out to eat.

ArtOfCode

@undo probably a good idea

zaq

@undo I'll do it later.

undo

sounds great, thanks

angussidney

23:37

Also, @undo @art, while you're in here, how hard is it to make smokey report to another site specific chatroom?

zaq

I was the last one who messed with that code, iirc.

undo

Although somehow the tests passed on this one

ArtOfCode

@angussidney it's not

undo

@angussidney Not very, although we try to reduce bloat where we can. Why?

zaq

@undo Tests wouldn't be affected. Parsing to get site/id, etc from chat reports...

angussidney

23:38

I was thinking of proposing to my main site whether or not they would like to get smokey for their site

undo

@zaq Right, was responding to Art's thought

angussidney

Of course, if you would prefer to keep the number of chatrooms to a minimum, thats fine too

ArtOfCode

@angussidney gaming? Take a look at metasmoke stats, see how much spam they get. If it's not much, it's probably not worth it.

undo

Seem to get decent volume

angussidney

7th last month

undo

23:41

But yeah, I'd be fine adding it in the Bridge if they want it.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: No control over jack volume by BruhHacker_269 on raspberrypi.stackexchange.com …

angussidney

I might make a meta post and see what they think, if that's ok with you

undo

sd n

Fine by me

angussidney

I'll ping you when a decision has been made

Or I could figure it out for myself then send a PR

ArtOfCode

3-ish a day. Yeah, that's plenty enough to warrant a chatroom, or just Bridge itself.

SmokeDetector

23:44

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: Can't make sticky footer. Do I have a huge bug in my code? by The__Malteser on stackoverflow.com …

angussidney

sd tp-

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