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12:04 AM
in Lounge<Weirdos> on Stack Overflow Chat, 54 mins ago, by Jefffrey
@hichris123 was it you the one smart boy that flagged?
sigh Every time I see someone even start to beat up on someone else in chat I want to smack them with this holds up hammer
 
@Undo It's not a SO approved hammer... in chat or on main
 
I know :P
gtg
 
@AnnonomusPerson Sadly enough
 
SO's like the California of SE... it makes up weird laws... NO LEAD! NO [xyz]!
@hichris123 IK
:(
 
12:11 AM
Okay! Now you can add a caption to the photo. :D
 
@hichris123 Cool!
I wanna take a nap
 
phew Thought I only had 1 million I/O's a month with RDS.
Turns out I have 10 million I/O's/month.
 
@hichris I'd only need one really long one :P
(and a few extra for server restarts and debugging... so 500billion??? :D)
 
12:35 AM
Grrr how did this happen?
My code looks like a two year old found out how to use copy and paste! Fixing it now... not just formatting issues... ahhh
So lonely
(Well in this chatroom, anyway)
 
Nope. :P
 
Yay all code fixed.
@hichris Ping me.... it makes me happier*
*Limit one ping per ten minutes for this special offer
 
Waits to be bombarded with pings... :D
No pings?
Lonely
 
1:01 AM
@Undo hey ! :) I didn't think anyone would notice me actually, I was just passing by, I've never used the SE chat before.
 
@André Welcome! BTW the sidebar shows an animation when someone comes into or leaves the room
^ (Your profile picture)
 
I hope you don't mind if I randomly join rooms without actually talking, I don't really know the rules/guidelines/what to talk about of the chat yet so for the time being I prefer to make myself too noticeable
 
I prefer not to* (too bad I can't edit here)
 
@André There are no rules really except in some rules they are posted on the sidebar (with a link in the description under the name [Here is Charcoal HQ or in the "starred section" where messages people star go to). We don't have any here, but other "rooms" do. Just don't do anything inappropriate, and try not to spam or bring up controversial topics (religion, politics, etc.).
It's pretty ruleless, with a few exceptions where some people will get annoyed at first but they'll tell you what's wrong if there's any problem and you should just apologize. That's all there is to it, except getting used to the tools.
You can edit... click on the dropdown arrow on the left when you mouse over your message and there should be an edit button.
If you want to play around with the tools this room was created for it (DISCLAIMER: people post a lot of stuff in there, so be careful :D):

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...
 
1:23 AM
Yeah but by rules I meant more the general "ambiance" (if that's the right word), it's like if I go somewhere where I don't know anyone yet
(i'm kind of a shy person, even on the Internet)
 
@André You can not ever get there without finding someone you relate to :)
Or think similarly...
@hichris123 Still on?
[Solved problem... sorry]
I make my error handler courteous: it always apologies and says Want a digital cookie? :D
 
It should also offer something else like pizza or ice cream :)
 
@André Good idea!
> I'm so sorry. I failed you. There has been an error!!! Would you like a cookie? Coffee? Pizza? Iced tea (who drinks tea, anyway)? Error Level: 1024
Message: Not POST
In File: C:\xampp\htdocs\root\script_login.php on line: 40
HI!
:D @Andre ^
 
joins room
 
Hi!
@hichris123 Look at my error reporting a message or two above.... :P
 
1:35 AM
Hey @André!
 
@hichris123 hello. :)
 
I WANT POPCORN!
 
FINE! BE THAT WAY! :D
Kick
 
Go to the cabinet and get some for me @Annon.
 
But that's so far away....
> I'm so sorry. I failed you. There has been an error!!! Would you like a cookie? Coffee? Pizza? -P-o-p-c-o-r-n-?- [Sold out] Cake? Iced tea (who drinks tea, anyway)? Error Level: 1024
Message: Not POST
In File: C:\xampp\htdocs\root\script_login.php on line: 40
HI!
 
1:38 AM
... why do you have PHP on Windows?
 
Iced tea for me please, I love it.
 
Coffee?
 
@hichris123 Cause I can... not afford a server :)
@hichris123 Sold out for a few seconds here... sorry you can't have any.
 
@Annon Look at amazon AWS. I'm using their free tier
 
@hichris123 I have PHP on windows too, mainly for playing around/testing things
 
1:39 AM
Here 'ya go!
 
Yeah, same here @André.
 
@hichris123 It's easy though with VS2013 just to save it into the file and then refresh... no syncing.
 
... I need to set up Ubuntu locally.
 
@AnnonomusPerson ah thanks, it's actually nice to be here, you get free cookies and iced tea. :D
 
There 'ya go!
 
1:41 AM
Hey!
 
Enjoy @HiChris
@André Depends on who you are... look at @HiChris's food :D
For @Andre....

Cooking & Error Handlers... :P

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Bookmarked 12 secs ago by Annonomus Person

/cc @Undo: Look at @hichris's snack >:)
 
@AnnonomusPerson How is VS?
 
Pretty good.
Only complaint is no PHP support but hopefully they'll add it soon.
 
@André ... we on Stack Exchange do pretty much everything. :P
@AnnonomusPerson Best IDE for designing Windows apps?
 
@hichris123 Yes if you use .net.
Very easy, free (express), etc.
(Thought you were talking about Web edition not Windows Desktop or Windows App)
 
1:46 AM
@AnnonomusPerson I have no clue about developing .NET apps.
@AnnonomusPerson Probably desktop.
 
@hichris123 .net framework is to Windows as Arduino libraries (with loop and delay and setup) is to Arduino Uno.
 
Do you need it to make an exe?
 
It's fairly easy to use, and it gives you native UI controls (buttons, sliders, etc.)
 
Huh, okay.
 
@hichris123 No, but you should use that or WPF (newer based off of XAML [similar to XML] and more flexible, to me it's a little harder to build for) if you don't want a console UI :D
 
1:49 AM
WPF?
 
I'd recommend the VS2013 Express Windows Desktop to download, and then choose "C#.net Winforms" or similar
@hichris123 Windows Presentation Forms... sorry I said that wrong.
.net has two types: WPF and Winforms
 
... this is so confusing. :P
 
@hichris123 What will you use it for?
Games? WPF. Simple applications? Winforms
 
@AnnonomusPerson Probably a number crunching program.
 
They're just different standards.
@hichris123 Like calculations?
(Data trends, etc.)?
 
1:52 AM
@AnnonomusPerson Yeah, except with huge numbers and not much of a UI needed.
 
Ummm that's a tradeoff. WPF might be a little better suited for your needs, but it has a bigger learning curve...
 
I haven't looked into WPF for a while IIRC it's similar to CSS in a way....
 
@AnnonomusPerson Could I just do it in pure C/C++?
 
@hichris123 Console only is the problem.... unless you could find a GUI library for one of those.
Winforms and WPF are two "types" of .net... .net is a GUI library.
 
1:56 AM
@AnnonomusPerson Hmm... don't know if GUI matters much...
Or I could just build a wrapper for it.
 
If you need to do calculations you don't need a GUI at all, use basic config files for config and console to display progress
 
@hichris123 You do realize that you code .net with C++ or C#???
@André Depends on your level of "perfectionism"
:D
 
@AnnonomusPerson Oh, really? I thought it was just C#.
@André That's an option as well.
 
@hichris123 Or VB.net
 
Probably C++ then.
 
1:58 AM
I prefer C# because it seems to be like Arduino code to me...
@hichris123 With .net?
 
... possibly.
 
WPF: More like HTML in a way where you need to "create" your own templates. Faster, newer, more efficient, but longer dev. time and learning. | Winforms: trusty, supported but no new changes, set of prebuilt components and windows: more than you'll ever need, fairly simple.
WPF easier to create a responsive layout because it's part of the "core aspects" of it where Winforms you have to add some code and use some options.
(However you can lock Winforms at a certain size and forget about that issue...)
 
If it had a UI, it would be very basic.
 
@hichris123 So then, although Winforms is nearing the end of it's life (but still used a lot), it would be best for you.
Look up tutorials like this one:
(Yes, XP on 4:3 screen)
:D
 
Huh, okay.
 
2:04 AM
Take a look at that: seems to be a series.
 
Well, actually, is WPF that hard to use for basic stuff?
 
IDK. It seem easy to do Winforms and just switch one property to disable resize and drag three components on, double click on each one for a event handler autogenerated, and then just code. WPF take a little more.
I should leave soon. I still have to be up for 8 more hours :D (But I have to go)
 
@AnnonomusPerson Why?
 
Cya
 
2:09 AM
@hichris123 Long story...
 
Bye, have a nice day (or night, depends on where you live) :)
 
@André Ah, you're based in France. I'm in the US (10:11 PM here).
 
@hichris123 in France it's the middle of the night right now, 4:12AM
 
... so why are you up right now @André? :P
You should be sleeping. ;)
 
Ahh got bored :P
It's 9:13 PM now
@André Some people use the UTG (universal time greeting) to avoid confusion: good morning when you enter, goodnight when you leave.
Learned that yesterday.
 
2:14 AM
@hichris123 Reading random stuff on the internet is more fun than sleeping haha
 
@André You sound a lot like me. :P
 
@AnnonomusPerson I'll keep that in mind for next time. "learned that today"
 
I don't really care personally, it's just confusing when there's ten people and then we waste a hour finding the times of everybody else.... :P
Like I said earlier, really no rules. Except don't anger the mods! ♦
 
The mods are sleeping, just keep quiet. shhhh :D
 
@André No, I'm not.... TO BE CONTINUED.... ♫DUN DUN DUUUUUUNN!♫
 
2:26 AM
@AnnonomusPerson still keeps quiet and waits for the mod to fall asleep
 
@André Your going to be waiting for a while... have lots of adrenaline to use up. I'm on a coding spree!
:D
 
@AnnonomusPerson okay you win, I'm just gonna try not to anger you. :p
 
Good choice... :)
@Andre Us mods more like threatening than doing... if we had to do something that means someone wants to make our site worse and makes us sad. Threatening is for fun :P
(Rarely will we actually do something... unless you are being a total jerk to someone/us)
 
How frequently do you come across users that do bad stuff ?
 
@Andre Not very much. I'd say 1/300 users created on the main site are bad (i.e. only spam, especially inappropriate/unprofessional/offensive content), another one of those 100 just need a little guidance because they aren't used to the rules we have in place.
 
2:34 AM
@André Honestly, depends on the site.
 
(Guidance = just a comment saying "Welcome! Here we do [xyz]. I've done [stuff] for you. Have a good day!" or whatever.)
@hichris123 And the mods themselves: if a post is protected proactively... etc.
(Protected: You need 10+ rep to answer, used when a lot of spam is created because a lot of traffic.)
 
That's really different from what I saw on a big french forum, it exists since 2000 and yet it still gets spammed every day
 
Well we have big measures in place: quick flagging, we can ban users who spam frequently, we have ways to prevent them from creating new accounts, etc.
Also, people care here.
It's really amazing what community moderation can do. It can be flawed at times, but it works well and our sites stay clean.
 
2:49 AM
@AnnonomusPerson Yeah community moderation is awesome, at least here on SE
By the way, is it okay to commit to a proposal on Area51 only by curiosity, while not having anything to post on the beta site ?
 
@André It's cool how here, two people on opposite sides of the world are [kidna] working together.
 
@AnnonomusPerson well since people care about the site it's not really "opposite" sides anymore
 
@André I'd say don't do it. The last Arduino proposal (I'm pro team ♦ [basically temp. mod] there) and the first one failed because we only got like 1 question a day because people did "faith commitments"
@André I'm just saying geographically.
 
@AnnonomusPerson oh too bad, I committed to one proposal just by curiosity but I'll remember not to do that anymore
 
It's fine. Just a lot of faith proposals can kill a beta. Although, [old] Arduino would've made it if half of the committers asked one question.
 
3:01 AM
I guess I can still make myself useful there by flagging inappropriate stuff
 
Yeah.
Just curious: what proposal?
 
This one (it's in private beta for now, although it looks like I can send you an invite if you want)
 
@André You can also get an invite though the A51 proposal :D
 
(I've been having some problems with depression lately so I thought that maybe the content of that site will be useful to me)
 
That's how I got into a proposal I jumped on a week before I posted moderator nominations and I was one of the three... that was mostly luck =D
 
3:04 AM
@AnnonomusPerson so anyone can access any private beta through Area51 ?
 
@André If they sign up.
 
@AnnonomusPerson in my opinion private betas are useless... they can make them read-only to avoid spam by new/inexperienced users but I don't see why they need to completely restrict access
 
^ @Andre You have to sign up first
@André Meh... it's just to not get much attention and focus on creating a few main users and some "example" content without other users interfering unless they really want to.
Read only would be the same thing as public except you can't post as a "guest"
And then no search engine indexing.
 
Looks like the Arduino site isn't doing too good unfortunately
 
@André Actually they changed that. Anyone who finds the area 51 page can get it even during the private beta.
 
3:13 AM
@André Yeah... it could be doing better. It's still beta and we're only half through the minimum lifetime. Most betas take over a year to graduate to a full site.
 
@André It's mainly just to build a community. They don't want the whole internet going wild on a community that hasn't decided what is on/off topic yet, has no clue on what to ask, etc.
@AnnonomusPerson Actually, read-only for us SE people is different. :P Read-only == no changes to content.
8
A: Would it be a good idea to have a read only version of StackOverflow during upgrades

balphaThere is a read-only mode (used e.g. during the Sandy failover). It just wouldn't have helped in this case.

 
Didn't know about that "different" read-only mode, but it's good to see that even in those rare occasions SE has ways to keep its sites up
 
@André Yeah. SE did get DDoS'd once recently, though.
 
Yeah i was actually affected by it... couldn't even do basic things without SO (that reminds me that i'm not really a programmer, just that I know how to use google and SO :p ) - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/158323/…
 
@André @Undo got in TechCrunch for it. :P
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, Feb 16 at 22:17, by Kasra Rahjerdi
@Undo you're in techcrunch! http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/16/stackoverflow-goes-down-programmers-around-the-‌​world-panic-its-back-up-now/
#StackOverflow is back up - I guess that means I need to go be productive again ;(
 
3:28 AM
He got lucky haha
Anyway I'm gonna go sleep now (it's 5:30AM here), i'll come back tomorrow. Good night everyone. ;)
 
 
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9:36 AM
morning
 
10:20 AM
@user43004 Y U REMOVE YOUR MESSAGE
 
I am not belong to this chat room....Its for h bar
 
@user43004 h bar ?
 
yes
 
10:35 AM
@user43004 what's that ?
 
that is other forum regarding physics... I came here accidentally...
 
Oh I see ...
 
 
4 hours later…
Good morning everyone.
 
morning
 
morning
 
3:13 PM
<good time='morning'/>
 
Error: morning is not a valid time for good
 
 
1 hour later…
4:28 PM
Morning.
feels all alone
 
@hichris123 Hello :)
 
Hi!
 
@hichris123 How are you ? not sure if this is appropriate here actually
 
@André Anything is appropriate here, pretty much. As long as it follows the SE guidelines... anyway, I'm good. You?
 
@hichris123 I'm kinda good, even though I have some financial problems lately :/
 
4:45 PM
@André How can we help you ?
 
Would a question like "Give me your credit card numbers" be accepted on SO ? haha
 
rofl
 
@André I don't have a credit card.
 
I could give you the minute bitcoin (0.01 USD) I have. :P
 
@André So will you tell us what's the situation ? I was told you get paid pretty well in france
 
4:50 PM
@hichris123 that's nice but no thanks, I don't even have a bitcoin wallet haha
@HamZa well yeah, if you're a programmer having lots of experience you get paid well, the problem is that i'm more of a student just playing with code rather than an actual programmer
 
I'm quite sure that I can work in a company with my knowledge, it was also confirmed by a lot of people I know. The problem: I can't because of time. So I'm working in a DIY* shop the weekend and some evenings ...
DIY: magasin de bricolage
 
@HamZa I'm pretty sure I can too, the problem is that (at least here in france) you need a "diplôme" (something that proves your knowledge, I think that's called a "degree" in english) to work, no one really cares about people who claim they can code without one of these "diplôme" (and I understand that perfectly - I've met a lot of people who claim they can program while actually the only thing they can do is a basic PHP website using outdated mysql_query() functions :p)
 
@André That's pretty much a global issue. But even if you find work, could you combine it with school ?
 
@HamZa here in France there's a thing called "formation en alternance" which is like you spend 2 weeks working at a company, then two weeks studying, the problem is that you still need to find a company that would accept you and it's hard
 
hehe I see ...
 
4:59 PM
@HamZa work is actually a big problem in France, not just for computer-related work but for everything, the number of unemployed people is very high and it's very hard to get a job, even a crappy one
 
@André and I was thinking to do an internship there ...
 
@HamZa well if you already have something that proves your knowledge you won't have as much problems finding a job so you can try
 
5:39 PM
@Undo Mind visiting hichris.erwaysoftware.com/instaglass/oauthlanding.php on your retina-iPad? Should be retina... :D
... yeah, I need to compress those images.
 
 
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6:40 PM
@hichris123 yeah, just a minute
In related news:
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Q: Android app is not selling. What am I doing wrong?

Pavin JosephI recently launched my first android app - Rain Guard in the market. It's been almost 2 days and I haven't received even one download. I don't even think users are able to find the app in the search results unless they specifically type in "Rain Guard". It is basically an app that shows 36 hour...

>:(
Somehow it didn't get a single close vote in eighteen minutes.
(now self-deleted)
 
That's... an interesting question. :P
 
okay, Retina-testing time
visits page
@hichris123 Looks awesome.
 
Me likey the edge blur on the image.
 
@Undo Yay! retina.js works!
 
6:47 PM
yup
Nice and fast too
 
Really?
 
For me, at least
 
It's like a 3 MB picture for retina...
 
huh
visits page in another browser
About three and a half second load time
Which is about average on my connection
 
Grr! How can I fool it into thinking I have a retina device? :P
 
6:50 PM
@hichris123 Try zooming in 200%
that should work
at least it does in Chrome
Oh, today I learned that toyota.com/sienna has the strangest place to keep the spare tire.
 
@Undo ... where?
 
You turn a little thingy on the floor and it falls out the bottom of the car :P
 
... wat?
That's... really strange.
 
yeah
I actually had to read the little book to figure it out.
Have to go walk dog now :P
cya
 
cya.
 
6:56 PM
in RegEx on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 hours ago, by HamZa
Public Service Announcement Help me to improve this regex reference.
 
@Undo Suddenly, your car has an advantage in a chase. Bombs away! :P
 
@Seth rofl
The dog has been walked. I am thus free.
(in related news, I haven't handled a flag in >24 hours)
 
Wat. I've already handled 26 today.
 
wow
 
200 in the last week.
 
7:02 PM
This week I've handled 17
 
@Seth flags more stuff
 
And I'm on top.
 
Wow. I'd call that a lot for a small site like SR.
 
cough @Seth
 
bets @hichris123 just flagged a bunch of stuff on AU
D:
A flag!
 
7:06 PM
cough @Undo
 
I like the delete button :D
 
It's easier to flag stuff on AU. :P
 
hehe
true
opens blaze
 
whistles
 
gtg, cya
 
7:16 PM
cya
7
A: "System restart required" flag, who sets it and why? How to read it?

arrangePossible duplicate of How can I tell what package requires a reboot of my system?

@Seth ^ Can I flag as NAA?
 
what the.
@hichris123 Yes.
It's gonna disappear so better flag it ;)
 
Done @Seth.
 
Finally ;P
 
@Seth Look at the flag queue. ;)
 
why, why wrings hands
 
7:28 PM
flags another
I think I'm done for now. :P
 
@Seth Why does this user still exist?
And this one?
 
probably because the mods was busy deleting other things. Gone now.
 
 
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10:21 PM
@Seth Not in here. :D
 
Nope.
 
... you're not obfuscated, though.
 
nope.
 
Good. :D
@Undo psst
 
10:40 PM
@hichris123 eh?
 
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