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11:13 AM

@doppelgreener if you'd like some more datums, the best possible crit chance I think you can get in 5e is to be an elf champion fighter with the Elven Accuracy feat making dex-based attacks with advantage (38.59% per attack) - anydice.com/program/1501d

disregarding abilities which are autocrits or let you directly alter rolls like divine portents

doppelgreener

@Carcer is that an expanded crit range of 18-20?

Carcer

yes, the champion fighter ultimately gets an 18-20 crit range

and elven accuracy allows that when you make dex/int/cha based attack rolls with advantage, you can reroll one of the dice, which is functionally "roll 3d20, take best"

doppelgreener

i'm thinking the biggest problem with 1d30 isn't whether it's “fair” but all the fiddly exceptions you have to handle. "roll 1d30. rolls over 20 are equal to 20, except not for crit purposes, which is 28-30 instead on the 1d30 except if you've got an expanded crit range in which case crits are this other 1d30 range, also except if you roll an additional die for advantage in which case ..."

@Carcer can reroll one of the dice means you can't actually roll a 1d30 for this, you gotta roll 2d20

Carcer

yeah that d30 proposition doesn't interact sensibly with elven accuracy at all

my english skills seem to be lacking today

lunchtime

doppelgreener

@Carcer words are harf

trogdor

11:24 AM

Death to English words, we have tolerated them long enough

Wait how are we supposed to communicate? Hello? Hello? Dang it

I knew there was something wrong with that idea

Someone_Evil

@trogdor Vi får bruke andre ord enn engelske :p

trogdor

A finally something that makes sense, wait no XD

My mistake, I am bad at other languages XD

Wow is unto the of me

doppelgreener

@trogdor other languages

if it's death to only English words :D

trogdor

@doppelgreener yeah the joke is I know nothing else

Despite taking two Spanish classes and legitimately trying

kviiri

@Someone_Evil Jättebra att norsk är ganska liknande än svenska :>

(Swedish is my fourth language, though I'd reckon third-strongest, but please do not refer to anything I say in it as "correct Swedish" in any circumstance)

Carcer

11:36 AM

ooh well look at you all fancy with your "fourth language"

kviiri

English is practically a free pick outside the Anglosphere

Carcer

and in English-speaking countries our educational systems tend not to be very good at encouraging people to pick up more

it's frustrating

trogdor

Yeah

kviiri

(not strictly true, really --- I had an occasional friend whose parents had various reasons to try to shelter their kids from foreign pop-culture, video games and such)

(and they tend to be quite bad at English)

Carcer

I wish I had a broader linguistic horizon but by the age where I genuinely realised that'd be a good thing for me I was already well past the good years for it

Someone_Evil

11:39 AM

To be fair the nordic languages aren't super useful outside their respective (and small) countries.

Carcer

respective is not correct

half the nordic languages are pretty useful in half the rest of scandinavia, what with norwegian/danish/swedish being generally mutually intelligible

trogdor

@Carcer I think the same thing more or less happened to me

kviiri

Well Swedish is, by my understanding, reasonably intelligible to Danish, Norwegian and Icelandic speakers (supposedly Norwegian is the best "intermediary language" for such dealings, but I'm not 100% sure) and Swedish also has official language status in Finland too

trogdor

Although I might try again with Spanish or Japanese or something

Carcer

@trogdor I started doing japanese courses when I was in university but it didn't stick, sadly

Someone_Evil

11:42 AM

@Carcer Not quite as much as you make it out to be, but you're not wrong. Total population of speakers still isn't that great.

kviiri

Although there's probably some trap words with different meanings (there's also some between Finnish Swedish and Swedish Swedish!)

trogdor

@Carcer that's what happened with my Spanish courses

I remember maybe a handful of words

Someone_Evil

Also note, most of these speakers will also have at least a passable english, and communicating (from personal experience) through that can be easier (depending on dialects etc.)

Carcer

if I was going to try properly to pick up another language at this point it should probably be romanian

kviiri

@Someone_Evil I feel like a failure when I go to Estonia and try to speak in Estonian and they switch to either Finnish or English :P

Carcer

11:45 AM

as that's technically my partner's first language

kviiri

And I feel like a colonial overlord or something if I go there and open up with Finnish, even if that used to be very common not very long ago.

Carcer

I'm sure they appreciate that you try, at least

that's still better than not

goodguy5

So, much, baby. I've been on my other week of family leave. It has been great and incredibly busy...

Carcer

@goodguy5 I parsed that very confusingly for a moment

goodguy5

Fair

Carcer

11:47 AM

specifically, I missed the first comma, and read "So much, baby" and wondering if you were typing in the right window

goodguy5

Hilarious

Carcer

how is the baby anyway

goodguy5

That's just how I really talk, baby

But he's great. Sleeping now like a little angel. Hopefully, that continues for a bit.

Growing like a weed. Though it's finally slowed down a bit to "expected" levels. He was growing a pound a week, when they tell you to look for at about half that.

Carcer

glad to hear it

and glad you seem to be coping with it alright!

I understand it can be a very stressful time of life

doppelgreener

12:05 PM

@Someone_Evil There's a lot of benefit in learning languages even if you can't use them much since they teach us new and different concepts that simply don't exist in our original language.

There's lots of stuff I've learned from Japanese that simply has no analogue in the Western world.

Also, learned new ways to relate to existing concepts.

Carcer

there is no concept that cannot be expressed by some godawful combination of german words, though

vicky_molokh

There's no concept that cannot be expressed in another language through circumlocution. OTOH, circumlocution is always a loss of the snappy attitude and other mood-like nuance that was present in the original language. Often a big loss from an æsthetic PoV, not as big a deal in academic/scientific matters.

But the study of new languages seems like a necessity for overcoming the unfortunate thing that gets 'bundled' with monolingual upbringing: being taught to misidentify habits of one's first language for universal principles.

In a way it's ironic: Sapir-Whorf is most false, but it can be 'made' into a semblance of truth by training people to never step away from the language's defaults.

Someone_Evil

@vicky_molokh You lost me on "circumlocution"

doppelgreener

What I mean is English and the Western world have no analogue for how the Japanese relate to what we approximately call resolve, or how they relate to choosing and working toward goals

@Someone_Evil any concept from one language can also be evoked in another with a sufficient amount of explanation

But, you're explaining that concept in great length, teaching people about it in order to be able to evoke it later

vicky_molokh

@Someone_Evil If your language doesn't have a word for 'blue-green bacteria', you can just use those three words in a translation.

doppelgreener

12:19 PM

The learning about it in the first place comes with learning the language, or the culture

Ben

The glories of the GP. Ugh

doppelgreener

@Ben the gold pieces? The great plaza? The grand placard? The gran purrismo?

Ben

General Practitioner haha

3 hour wait and $50 worth of medication. So, a standard visit really haha

kviiri

12:35 PM

Woo, I got people together for an afterwork board game session next Monday

Carcer

@vicky_molokh strong yes, weak no, surely?

Ben

@kviiri Noice

doppelgreener

@kviiri congrats! Have fun!

vicky_molokh

@Carcer People deal a lot with things that have no word for it. And react by making one. So long as people aren't taught to look away from a phenomenon, not having a word for it merely creates a temporary complication in communication, a surmountable one. At which point I have to ask, how weak should it be before it stops being SW?

Depending on where that line is drawn, one could either say the weak one isn't disproved . . . or that it is.

Carcer

12:53 PM

well

weak SW seems to simply say that language influences thought, which I think you're agreeing is true

and seems to be empirically supported so far

vicky_molokh

1:26 PM

@Carcer I suppose it's just hard to measure the degree to which I agree with the hypothesis of influence, and the degree of influence that is warranted for proving WSW (as opposed to meaningless 'everything influences everything' observations).

I may also be wary of it because I've seen some assumptions about such influence initially filed under 'moderate' interpretations that turned out to be exaggerations of actual influence.

Carcer

eh, fair enough.

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ It's where they think the money is. (And Hasbro gets a vote ...)

@doppelgreener Is it anything like the Viet Namese dau tranh (đấu tranh) or is that a different context?

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doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast I'm having trouble finding descriptions of that concept, so I can't say.

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener The relationship between resolve and struggles seem to me to be a bridge, but I might be getting context messed up. Correction, I totally got the context messed up.

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener It is so fascinating to me how intertwined language and culture are. Japanese being my context for that.

doppelgreener

In Japanese culture it's virtuous and admirable to pick one thing and dedicate yourself to it absolutely, regardless of what the thing is. It's also important and virtuous to have resolve — indicated by the willingness to cast all else aside, sacrificing things that are distracting or obstructing you, and throw yourself fully into it heart and soul. In a contest, those with greater resolve win.

Resolve also includes your reasons for doing something, and the strength those reasons give you.

Implicitly this also means that morally whoever wins in a contest had greater resolve and represented the greater cause.

Carcer

2:03 PM

unless that thing is anime

doppelgreener

Especially in an anime!

Shounen anime pushes these concepts to the limit.

Carcer

no I mean

"In Japanese culture it's virtuous and admirable to pick one thing and dedicate yourself to it absolutely, regardless of what the thing is."

I'm making a joke about the societal disdain for otaku

doppelgreener

oh lol

well i mean part of the problem is that's kind of an uncanny valley situation

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener Thanks, context nicely explained.

doppelgreener

they're dedicating themselves to something, and there's virtue in that, but that's not a thing they should be devoting themselves to. this concept is meant to guide people to master something and better themselves so that they can be powerful contributors to society so that society can become greater for their part in it, but if you devote yourself to anime you're doing all the right actions but on the wrong thing and you wind up with the wrong outcome.

Rubiksmoose

2:10 PM

> contributors to society

My understanding is that is the big issue with how otaku are seen.

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose yes

Carcer

yeah, I do get it

but that's not quite "regardless of what the thing is"

Rubiksmoose

In Japan, my understanding is that there is a huge asterisk above any kind of judgement, "unless this would put you at odds with how the rest of society wants you to act or makes you stick out"

Carcer

they do like their conformity, eh

Rubiksmoose

Indeed. For better and/or worse

It's extremely interesting seeing Japanese members of our company come over to the US branch and work for a while and how they approach things and how they adapt to the (very different) US work culture.

doppelgreener

2:20 PM

@Rubiksmoose basically in the West, people view themselves as the big, important thing to focus on. In the East, instead the big, important thing to focus on is your society or group or collective: you are just a part of that, and you are meant to focus on what is good for the collective, and doing so is good for you in turn. If you aren't operating in connection with what the collective needs from you, you're causing trouble and that is bad.

This goes hand in hand with acknowledging a high degree of interconnectedness and interdependence between members of a collective: I succeed if we succeed.

This is also what makes dedicating yourself to one thing the virtue: if everyone is the best possible expert they can be at that one thing, the collective is more powerful for being able to be the best at each individual thing.

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener Yeah and that has some very interesting cultural implications both good and bad (just as US unchecked individualism does). For minor examples: Japanese cities are so freaking clean because everyone cares enough to protect the shared spaces from clutter and anyone caught doing otherwise would be very ostracized.

doppelgreener

Right, you're taught from an early age to value the spaces you're in and maintain them in good condition for your own sake and that of others.

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener do you know if this is related to the concept of ikigai いきがい　(which is something I literally learned about last night) at all?

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose very certainly

Rubiksmoose

Albeit from a non-Japanese source.

@doppelgreener neat!

I've been pondering about いきがい　in my musing moments ever since I read about it last night so it's interesting that you brought this up :)

doppelgreener

2:39 PM

It's a really valuable awesome concept

Western employment conversations are missing it

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I feel like my Savage Worlds game is that little triangle between passion and profession

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Ben

Or between profession and vocation

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener It has lodged in my brain in a way I cannot explain. I'm interested in reading more about it and hopefully reaching a greater understanding of it.

Someone_Evil

@Rubiksmoose Is there a term for non-music earworm?

Rubiksmoose

2:48 PM

@Someone_Evil that's a really good question...

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose it explained to me a lot about my own work: i find it very fulfilling doing software development, but i only want to work for companies that i feel are doing something meaningful for the world. provided that condition's met, my work is right in the center there.

(during a job search a couple of years ago i was a perfect fit for a job at a company with a super generic mission of developing arbitrary enterprisey software for other businesses. i chose to give that a miss, I dreaded the prospect and saw no soul in it. i'm currently working with a company that does IT security.

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener that's a wonderful application of the idea! I'm happy that it brought you greater understanding. I'd have to give it some more thought so see where I'd put my career. Not in the center likely.

doppelgreener

One of the more valuable things about the ikigai concept is it lets you see what might be missing with your current situation and then consider how you can add that ingredient. Some unloved work can be loved if done for the right people or the right reasons. Some work that isn't needed can be instead done in ways people do need it.

And if you're not good, git gud

And if you're not getting paid ... well, that's probably not your job, but if it's the thing you want to do, maybe there is a way to get paid.

Sometimes you might just need to find something else to do though out of not finding a way to add the missing components.

Ben

3:07 PM

@doppelgreener were you wearing your elite knight helm and stethoscope?

@doppelgreener currently I feel like I'm just outside the sweet spot. I'm in a job that I love, that I have skill in (at least that's how people react haha) and it is working toward bettering other people's work lives. But right now it's requiring a bit of self sacrifice on my part in terms of the finance. Once we get everything solid though (which is on the horizon)... Ikigai :)

Carcer

3:30 PM

getting paid for is such capitalist propaganda

in a decent society that'd be irrelevant

doppelgreener

@Ben for a moment there i was

@Carcer well, that is true.

Carcer

I guess it's also functionally irrelevant if you're lucky enough to be born into fantastic wealth and don't have to worry about money for that reason

nitsua60

@Carcer I worry (personally) about not appreciating enough the notion of "wealthy/non" as spectral vs. categorical. I don't think of myself as wealthy--I pay the bills but don't have much in the way of disposable income--but I don't know that I appreciate enough what being raised by college graduates, being literate and surrounded by books from an early age, graduating from undergrad and grad debt-free... all mean in terms of "wealth."

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Carcer

@nitsua60 you're certainly fortunate relative to the median human experience, but I did specifically invoke "fantastic" wealth for a reason

Akixkisu

@Someone_Evil the term is, please don't laugh, meme as it was written in The Selfish Gene, paraphrased: an idea or concept that is residing in the brain.

Someone_Evil

4:09 PM

@Akixkisu The meaning of that word is somewhat warped, unfortunately. But good find, appreciate it.

Akixkisu

4:19 PM

I would chuckle if someone told me about their favourite meme and shared a picture of 生き甲斐.

Rubiksmoose

@Akixkisu oh good, I wasn't sure that was the correct kanji so I just used hiragana lol

also that would be pretty entertaining, if not confusing.

Akixkisu

That has interesting layers as a joke of self-deprecation.

Someone_Evil

@Akixkisu Which I think puts you solidly in "meme territory"

Akixkisu

Exactly.

It is an excellent joke, more subtle than it seems initially.

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Akixkisu

4:28 PM

To make yourself seem less important is also in line with the concept.

Xirema

4:59 PM

Hmm. Odds are pretty good my next table is going to be playtesting the new Artificer. I've got a player who is very interested in playing the class.

Will be interesting to see a player new to 5e playing the class. XD

Carcer

Artificer 2: Judgement Day

Rubiksmoose

@Xirema hmmm yeah it will. It has a decent amount of fiddly bits unfrtunately.

Spells, a companion, heavy equipment focus with special effects (assuming they go alchemist)

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener drive by quick question on the meta discussion in re homebrew: when it comes to "policy" meta posts, are we better off updating the one we had before or making a new one with references to the previous ones that you pointed to (and others did) in the current discussion?

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast is this with regards to creating that CW answer for D&D 5e homebrew?

if so, that's best just done in the existing question about D&D 5e homebrew

and i think it's best done as a new CW answer in that question specifically so as to not just shove a ton of content into the existing answer under someone else's name

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener OK, thanks, was trying to understand the best tool for the job.

Rubiksmoose

5:19 PM

huh, I don't think I've ever seen a question preemptively create their own chatroom for their question.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Maybe that needs to be a site policy for home brew questions? :) I think it's a Great idea, @JosiahRiggan

Someone_Evil

I think they had a comment thread go out how hand before, and wants to nip it in the bud

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast hmmm...maybe. I'd have to think if that would actually help any of the problems we see on homebrew things specifically.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose I'm just spitballing here, it may be the worst idea ever, but my initial take is "great idea" as a way to avoid content clutter and to clarify a question.

Someone_Evil

@KorvinStarmast Not sure about policy, but it might be worthwhile as a suggestion to posters. "Homebrew material tends to cause extended discussion, it might be worth it to create a room preemptively"

Rubiksmoose

5:22 PM

@KorvinStarmast I do much prefer workshopping a question in chat as opposed to comments by a long shot.

KorvinStarmast

@Someone_Evil Maybe so. But I note that if something is presented as "policy" people are a bit more likely to pay attention.

Someone_Evil

@KorvinStarmast It would just be a pain to enforce. I feel like a lot of homebrew comes from less experienced 'stackers and forcing them to make a room would just be a hassle. If the tag autogenerated a room that might me easier to work with

David Coffron

@Someone_Evil Although auto-generating could get tedious with something like this group of homebrew which soon got re-asked individually

Someone_Evil

That's fair, would it be better to have a (single) chat room for homebrew stuff?

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil That is certainly an interesting idea.

Out of curiosity, do people see comment issues as being a major problem for homebrew questions?

MikeQ

5:34 PM

@Someone_Evil The main chat has been suitable for homebrew discussion. For more detailed or focused discussions, it's possible to create a dedicated room for the homebrew in question. This is often done when comments explode on homebrew evaluation questions on the mainsite.

Rubiksmoose

I've often found it difficult to get querents into a chat, which may limit the utility of all these ideas. Also, don't forget that there is a rep limit to posting in chat (though can be bypassed by a mod)

MikeQ

There's no perfect way to handle homebrew queries. Homebrew questions are innately iffy; homebrewing and content creation are (usually) iterative processes, and SE's Q&A model isn't well suited for iterative development.

Someone_Evil

@Rubiksmoose I think the main concern would be comments relating to the material gets intermingled with comments on the question itself, so you get long threads that are difficult to follow. If you filter the material portion out to a chat it could help.

Rubiksmoose

@Someone_Evil this is true!

KorvinStarmast

@Someone_Evil possible feature request?

@MikeQ Mike, shall we thus ban them? I have an example of a good homebrew question that I wrote (Stampede spell) and one that wasn't quite as good (circle of the flame druid).

MikeQ

5:44 PM

No, because homebrew questions are not exclusive to homebrew-creation/brainstorming questions.

David Coffron

@KorvinStarmast It's a tough call. On one hand, I think the experts here are among the most qualified to discuss homebrew, but I also think homebrew questions are very hard to make work well

MikeQ

Off the top of my head, something like "What are the consequences of allowing such-and-such homebrew option in my Donjons & Dangers game?" would be fair.

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ My questions reffed above were 1 (spell) and 2 plus 3 - a druid circle that did not end up getting play tested, using our fairly recent "how to do iteration" scheme.

MikeQ

I think it boils down to the community response. Downvote if the question seems poorly researched or unhelpful.

e.g. "I spent 5 minutes scribbling up the newest version of my homebrew gravymancer class, is it functional yet" questions

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ OK, back to the usual "if the question shows no research and no expertise, down vote it into oblivion."

That works too.

(or just close it as unclear)

MikeQ

5:49 PM

Yeah, if it's too broad, then close it.

The iterative thing becomes problematic when the user repeatedly posts newer versions of the class as new questions.

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ That suggested thing (iterative), which is on meta, needs a "dwell time" per Pyrotechnical's nice answer in meta, and a week might be a good "don't give us V2 until you've let this sit" type policy. As above, may be difficult to enforce. Ob Sage points out in his answer that iterative isn't where SE's best practices lie.

MikeQ

Those cases may require some policy. The Q&A model isn't supposed to have chains of follow-up questions, which is why I don't think it should be used for iterative development.

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ And yet we do have room for "related questions linking back to question X" so it's not as though it's beyond the SE modes to do that.

MikeQ

We do. For related questions. Not for repeatedly asking variations of the same question.

Currently, doing so is allowed within the SE rules, but I don't know if it's productive, or the kind of content we want on the site.

KorvinStarmast

OK, Josiah self deleted until he's got more meat ...

Someone_Evil

6:01 PM

@KorvinStarmast That sounds rude somehow

MikeQ

@KorvinStarmast My understanding is that in a Q&A model, accepting an answer should have some finality to it. The question should not need a sequel. If new information appears, or the accepted answer is incorrect, then another answer can be added.

Stackstuck

Meanwhile, I think the meta on whether to un-synonym [spellcasting] and [spells] is pretty firm on the "we should un-synonym" side - does anybody know how to proceed from there?

MikeQ

6:16 PM

@Stackstuck To the meta!

Stackstuck

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Rubiksmoose

6:33 PM

@Stackstuck best thing to do usually is to bring it to a mod's attention assuming the meta has been around for enough time to have settled, they will often act on it if it is something that requires mod attention.

I think unsynonyming would fall into that category.

KorvinStarmast

@Someone_Evil Hmmm, now that you mention that, I guess so ... too late to delete.

KorvinStarmast

7:15 PM

@doppelgreener That's a pretty neat illustration. I've got a son in law who is doing what he loves, and what he is good at. For the most part, it isn't "work" in the same way that what I do is.

David Coffron

It's so close

Stackstuck

@Rubiksmoose uh, yeah, but how do I do that

Rubiksmoose

@Stackstuck well if one had anwered or commented it would be easy obviously. Your only options outside of that are to ping one of them here in chat or to put a flag on your post with a custom message.

Stackstuck

7:34 PM

Ah.

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast i definitely don't find my current work to be "work" the way it was when I was flipping burgers at McDonald's or shipping boxes at a warehouse

There's no feeling of grief when the weekend is over and it's not a grind I'm hoping will be over soon, for example

(although I came to love my work in both of those jobs after some time)

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener ahhh a fellow McD's alum. Good times.

doppelgreener

8:05 PM

@Rubiksmoose I burned my hand straight on the grill surface this one time after slipping on grease! Got the next two weeks off work paid while I recovered.

Rubiksmoose

ouch!

doppelgreener

(was only a light tap, wasn't severe, only took those two weeks for my hand to heal.)

Rubiksmoose

The worst I ever got I think was a nasty burn off a fillet o' fish basket.

doppelgreener

Oof! The deep fry baskets are rough

Rubiksmoose

Yeah I used to get minor burns off of them all the freaking time. I'm not the most dexterous of people but those things are rough indeed.

I'm glad to hear you got paid time off though. I'm not sure I ever heard of that happening at my place?

nitsua60

8:21 PM

@doppelgreener When you mention flipping burgers I realized why the planar (vs. tetrahedral) representation of that diagram bothered me: there's no space to describe work that is needed and you're good at, but which doesn't (really) pay and which you don't love. There's a certain satisfaction I took from being a stock boy or loading FedEx trucks even though I didn't love them and they didn't pay well....

I mean, I get satisfaction from mowing the lawn that's different from how I love teaching.

vicky_molokh

8:39 PM

Speaking of teaching, there needs to be a sector for 'work that the world needs but neither wants nor pays for'. ^_^

doppelgreener

8:58 PM

@nitsua60 yep, 100% agree. It's just one diagram trying to represent a concept that exists in another language, it's just an approximation.

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user15026

9:20 PM

@doppelgreener this is the part where I am currently stuck - trying to determine ways to use the things I am good at and the things I love to actually make any sort of money seems impossible.

trogdor

same

well except I guess I do that? a little

at my job

but there are other things I am good at that I sometimes feel like I would rather be doing, and making more money than I currently do would also be great

so in other words : gimme

XD

user15026

Right now I'd settle for "job that doesn't make me cry quite so much"

BESW

@trogdor Ash has a job training opportunity that I think you'd like to talk to them about.

trogdor

@Ash that's also a great goal

user15026

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V2Blast

9:46 PM

The reddit comment thread(s) discussing that tweet about the monk in D&D have killed me

MikeQ

@V2Blast Make a death saving throw

V2Blast

I already failed them all

Glazius

@V2Blast Wisdom in the comments section? We have dismissed that claim. awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=120417

V2Blast

@Glazius hahaha

BESW

Somehow I doubt it's wisdom V2Blast is encountering.

user15026

9:54 PM

@V2Blast rummages through pockets for any sort of reviving potion

MikeQ

Unless someone can cast Revivify, I fear we'll need to start reading the eugoogly

user15026

I don't think I picked that spell unfortunately

BESW

@MikeQ I'll read "Out of the Cradle Endlessly Rocking."

V2Blast

@BESW The only Wisdom was downvoted. The rest of the thread is full of "just reflavor it" and "stop making such a big deal out of it" and one guy who repeatedly called others lazy (and has a history of insulting people... so we banned him)

doppelgreener

10:10 PM

@Rubiksmoose Might be an Australian thing due to all our labor laws. Hot oil spitting onto my hands and arms was just a thing I got used to.

Fun fact, in the 1970s-2000s, one of the two major political parties was almost entirely representative of labor unions, and got tons of labor union agendas implemented as laws including a high and liveable minimum wage plus things like paid time off. One of the best things the country's done politically.

trogdor

10:24 PM

That sounds pretty good

V2Blast

10:35 PM

shared by @BESW on discord:

Not all representation is needed representation and sometimes you're not the best person to share a certain story.

Tweeted by TheFoofinator on May 15, 2019 at 3:22 PM

ttrpgs really needs this one. the number of times people say "I'm aware of appropriation" only to later say "I'm going to use this cultural setting" is too damn high. https://twitter.com/TheFoofinator/status/1128682016134897664

Tweeted by DungeonCommandr on May 15, 2019 at 3:26 PM

BESW

That last one has some really good conversations about diaspora writing an origin culture.

V2Blast

ye

BESW

All of our custom Chessex dice came in for our wedding 😍

Tweeted by MystyVander on May 14, 2019 at 6:37 PM

trogdor

Chessex dice?

BESW

Chessex is a company that makes high-quality precision dice.

trogdor

10:42 PM

ah

BESW

BTW, Troggy, remind me: does GSS use dice and if so which kind/how many?

trogdor

none

points instead

two different kinds

so you could either write down how much you have or you could use two different kind of chips for it

BESW

Aight, I've got chips.

trogdor

Basically , you get wonder and feelings in amount equal to the total if your relationship points

You get that much at start and then at start of ever scene

You keep what you didn't spend so it's cumulative

user15026

@BESW those are PRETTY

trogdor

10:54 PM

And they are separate and usually can't be used for each other's things with some exceptions

user15026

@BESW I've got...chocolate chips.... :P

trogdor

Lol

user15026

(And now I find myself doubting if I actually do, I don't think I used all the dark chocolate chips I had in my vegan oatmeal walnut chocolate chip cookies, but my brain is unsure)

Ben

Morning all

trogdor

11:19 PM

Morning

@Ash do you have two different kinds? XD

user15026

@trogdor giggles only dark I think, but I could come up with something else tasty :P

trogdor

Lol

Hey it works if you want to track em that way

user15026

Unless I get too hungry

trogdor

If that's an issue yeah

You could also keep it in writing

I just know some people prefer a physical thing to add up

I do

user15026

I do like things I can touch

user15026

11:29 PM

It helps keep it real in my head

trogdor

I figured

Same

user15026

I am sure I can find soooomething in my house that will work that I am not at risk of snacking on :P

trogdor

Lol

Ben

Celery sticks

Mushrooms

Lentils

I dunno about you but these are unsnackable things for me :P

user15026

I like mushrooms!

user15026

11:34 PM

I don't super love celery.

Ben

Well, unless you put peanut butter in the celery sticks

user15026

Dry lentils would not make good snack, but cooked they can!

Ben

@Ash Raw mushrooms though? On their own?

user15026

@Ben yep, that's tasty, bonus if I have some veggie dip but just alone they're good too.

Ben

Fair enough. Each to their own haha

trogdor

11:35 PM

Yes maybe something smaller that isn't edible XD

Ben

I like mushrooms too. Cooked is best, but I enjoy them in like, a Caesar salad

@trogdor Uncooked rice

Lol

trogdor

Ok well I deserve that one

Ben

Haha

Though, snacks can still be good when they're healthy snacks. Peanut butter Celery sticks are better than cookie dough, for example

My phone is really having issues this morning. Lol

trogdor

All phones are miscreants ready to ruin us at any time

user15026

Sooooo true

BESW

11:58 PM

Take the system from Dogs in the Vineyard (which I actually kind of like), rip out the setting and make it more universal and you get DOGS, now available over on @DriveThruRPG. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/274623/Dogs?affiliate_id=35459 #ttrpg #roleplaying

Tweeted by TrulyRural on May 13, 2019 at 10:19 PM

Shalvenay

hey there @nitsua60

nitsua60

@Shalvenay hiya

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 how're things going? still busy as, or beginning to quiet down?

trogdor

@BESW I did like the system itself, without the setting it might be cool

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