The "Please ban this guy now" conversation

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:21

Yay, now I can see what the Escape Pod is writing about me as I write here! Hi Escape Pod users!

Johann

wat is eascpe pod

Unionhawk

@Johann Less weeping, more removing every single person who asks a stupid question on Yahoo answers from the planet. Now

Because I'm too lazy to not live on this planet anymore

Retrosaur

Great futurama reference

Also, look who's talking about us!

Johann

yay

Retrosaur

in Escape Pod., 7 mins ago, by FEichinger

I still don't know why we didn't finally sack them.

FEichinger

Apr 10, 2013 04:23

Go on, quote me.

Do your trolling.

Johann

ooooh

Retrosaur

in Escape Pod., 11 mins ago, by FEichinger

I am not sure if they're being dense like a brick on purpose, or if they're genuinely like that.

Johann

DARING

HEHE

Retrosaur

He finally returns

Johann

the truth comes out

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:23

To the land of milk and honey

Johann

HEHE

this is going to be good

for like two seconds

Retrosaur

Johann

kalina

@badp @BenBrocka @Krazer @RavenDreamer @Oak @agent86 @MadScientist please could you remove the noise from this channel by banning Retrosaur and Johann

This has gone on long enough now

Johann

@kalina no one else is on here

kalina

They've been repeatedly disruptive for hours over multiple days

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:24

@Johann I don't see what's wrong. We're discussing Gaming

Johann

ive been on here for two days

@Retrosaur we were like the only two on here

Retrosaur

I don't see anything bannable here, but okay...

murgatroid99

@Johann No, you aren't. I just have nothing to say right now

Retrosaur

Two users engaging in conversation when no one is around is now considered a bannable offense! Wonderful! It's like I'm forced to talk to myself to not get banned!

Johann

@Retrosaur thunderous applause

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:25

Let's let the moderators decide based on chat logs

not based on the words of users

Mad Scientist

@FEichinger Direct insults are not acceptable, I've removed it for now without suspension, but that won't happen a second time

Retrosaur

Because, as Cave Johnson said, Humans, cannot be trusted.

kalina

It is getting to the point where the active user base of this stackexchange site is not willing to use the site

Johann

@MadScientist finally justice

Mad Scientist

And I'll ask everyone to calm down first.

Fluttershy

Apr 10, 2013 04:26

@Retrosaur No, two users generating noise in a normally active chatroom, solely for the sake of annoying other users is a bannable offense. If you two want to keep acting this way, make a separate room.

Johann

ok no more spamming now

Retrosaur

(at least Robots gave us 6 seconds of co-operation. Go robots.)

We are NOT generating noise to annoy others

Johann

@Fluttershy we were the only two on here

Retrosaur

I'm chatting with Johann about gaming

I don't like how you directly assume we're trollign

when I'm actually trying to have a fun, upspirited conversation

Johann

if I was a troll I would have named my username trollguy or something

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:27

Because all anyone wants to do in this chatroom is talk about daily life, how their day went, something about ponies

Mad Scientist

@Johann You have been annoying a great number of users in this chat, that at least I noticed. I'm pretty sure something is going wrong here, but I'm not acting without knowing the full background

Johann

@MadScientist Ive just been talking to retrosaur

kalina

@MadScientist @AnnaLear stated yesterday that being disruptive is sufficient for a chat ban

Myself and at least 5 other users will vouch for their disruptiveness

Johann

@kalina cussing is also sufficient

Fluttershy

@kalina And they've pretty clearly been disruptive.

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:28

I won't speak for him, I have no clue what's happening, but a bunch of users are spouting completely useless drivel as to what is considered "disruptive".

murgatroid99

@kalina Agreed

Retrosaur

What is "disruptive"?

kalina

Please for the love of sanity get rid of the noise, the signal is being drowned out

FEichinger

@kalina o/

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Can't stop the signal.

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:28

Once you start broadcasting, you can never go back

Fluttershy

@OrigamiRobot You can never stop the signal, Mal.

Unionhawk

@kalina Here as well. As much as I try to deal with it

kalina

If GnomeSlice can get banned for six months by being GnomeSlice, both of these two should be picking up similar bans

Retrosaur

You've all played Left 4 Dead 2

FEichinger

@MadScientist It has simply hit the point where it's flat-out too late. This crap has been going on for two days now.

Johann

Apr 10, 2013 04:29

If you want to find out something then stop chatting "STOP BEING DISRUPTIVE YOU ARE THE MOST LOW DOWN PEOPLE" and solve whatever problem there seems to be

Retrosaur

I've been in this chat room for 2 hours in the past 2 days

Mad Scientist

@kalina This is a complicated enough situation that I don't really want to act as an external mod if I don't have to

kalina

@MadScientist it's ban enough that we've moved into a different channel, and now Retro has made himself at home there too

Since we can't remove him from the other channel, we're out of options

Mad Scientist

@kalina Make that one a gallery room if you want

kalina

Moderator intervention is now required

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:29

Oh good, playing victim cards now.

OrigamiRobot

@Johann You are the problem. We are trying to solve you.

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Retrosaur

Wait, I'm terribly confused

Johann

can someone explain to me what I have done

Retrosaur

Are you all mad at @Retrosaur, @Johann, or both?

spugsley

uh-oh I leave for a second and shit goes downnnnn

kalina

Apr 10, 2013 04:30

@Retrosaur both

Fluttershy

@Retrosaur Very clearly both.

kalina

@Retrosaur we've asked you to leave the other channel, you've made it clear that you're not going to

Therefore this is the next and only solution

Retrosaur

Whoa, so entering other chat rooms with no specific rules are a bannable offense nwo

I'm getting excited, I can hardly wake? It's like private treehouses or something

kalina

@Retrosaur The purpose of the other room is to avoid you two so that we avoid this friction

Krazer

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; the topic of this room is "General Chat Room for Arqade.com. The main quarters of Arqade's SEI AskQuestion Mothership, wherein we celebrate one million messages (chat.stackexchange.com/messages/8706905/history)."; - conversation should be limited to that topic.

Lets take a moment to calm down.

Mad Scientist

Apr 10, 2013 04:33

For everyone that doesn't know it, if you click on the user you can select "ignore this user" and won't see their posts anymore. That might be useful in this situation

Retrosaur

Anyone here selling TF2 items :C

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Johann TBQH, you've been substantially less awful tonight - if still not a shining citizen. Retro however, continues to be a reprhensible moron.

FEichinger

@MadScientist Ignoring is great for a personal level. It is not when it's multiple users constantly doing this to the entire room.

murgatroid99

@MadScientist That is true, but often if a user is annoying everyone else, it's better to deal with the source of the problem than to have some subset of the users ignore that user

kalina

@MadScientist This is the whole of the Bridge that has a problem with these two

Mad Scientist

Apr 10, 2013 04:34

@FEichinger I'm recomending this for the short term

kalina

Ignore is not the solution

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Have you posted rules for chat on your meta?

That we can then enforce?

Retrosaur

We haven't been doing anything bannable, I don't understand why everyone's raising a fuss over nothing

Mad Scientist

This is something that should involve all of the Gaming mods

Retrosaur

48 mins ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz

@Johann FUCK TEXAS.

kalina

Apr 10, 2013 04:35

@BrianBallsun-Stanton @AnnaLear as a stackexchange employee stated that disruptive behaviour is sufficient enough for a suspension

murgatroid99

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Aren't there general rules, like don't go into a room and bother everyone after repeated requests to stop?

Fluttershy

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Unsure. But we did have a member of the SE Team inform us that being disruptive is a banable offense.

SaintWacko

@LessPop_MoreFizz ahem

Fluttershy

@Retrosaur He already ate a suspension for that. Drop it.

kalina

If the moderation team is not willing to enforce stackexchange rules then expect a complaint against moderators as well

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Apr 10, 2013 04:36

Yes, but operationalizing disruptive is generally useful for a community.

Retrosaur

I had no clue, no need to be aggresive

it just showed up in the starred list on the right

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

I.e. what behaviours do you, as gaming, consider disruptive?

kalina

because this is getting stupid now

Retrosaur

"people interrupting our conversations boohoo"

kalina

@BrianBallsun-Stanton repeatedly posting nonsensical crap, hitting the spam limiter with constant 'jks', forcibly trying to change the conversation, many other things

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:37

There's nobody in this chatroom, but someone has to come pretending we're causing a disruption

Fluttershy

@Retrosaur Wrong. We were all here. We weren't talking because of the disruption.

SaintWacko

@Retrosaur There's nobody in the chatroom because we all left to avoid you people...

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@kalina So if you have a meta post with guidelines and rules then it's trivial to enforce. If you want the mods of sister sites to come in and make a call about disruption... it's rather harder.

So take this to your meta. Get community consensus.

Make actual and objective rules, please.

Retrosaur

And hopefully, community consensus doesn't mean "let's get everyone who isn't me get banned!"

murgatroid99

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Disruption shouldn't require community consensus to define. If you are annoying all of the regulars, it's disruptive.

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Mad Scientist

Apr 10, 2013 04:38

@kalina Your moderation team is asleep now, probably. We don't have 24h service. And this whole thing has a rather long history that is necessary to know to act appropriately, and I haven't read the whole transcript of the stuff from yesterday

kalina

@MadScientist you are sitting here with multiple regulars making an identical complaint but refusing to do anything about it

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@murgatroid99 No, actually. It should require community building. Especially if you have a community. Creating explicit and intentional norms is part of keeping that community alive. Making your intentions and expectations clear can help set boundaries.

Fluttershy

@SaintWacko You should be good, assuming you didn't get my other ping.

OrigamiRobot

This is the third time I've personally seen the room put on time out due to disruptions involving Retrosaur.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@kalina Yep. And I agree with his call. We have no evidence besides spending half an hour reading chat logs of a community we don't know.

Fluttershy

Apr 10, 2013 04:40

We need @AnnaLear in here...

kalina

@BrianBallsun-Stanton Then, being as polite as possible, what is the point in you being in here at all?

Mad Scientist

@kalina The part from today is not suspension-worthy alone from what I've seen. It could be in combination with the stuff that happened yesterday, but I have mostly heard about that and not read the transcript.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@kalina Because there were multiple flags on chat. If you all could then bring up a meta saying "look, X.Y.Z is a problem according to our community" we could fix.

And that is the purpose of meta.

FEichinger

We need a solution to this problem and we need it now.

Scootaloo

I see that the Escape Pod is under lock down...

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Apr 10, 2013 04:41

Then use your ignore function.

Scootaloo

@FEichinger What happened since I left?

kalina

If the moderation team are happy causing an exodus on Arqade then carry on as you're going

I'm sure you'll start losing users soon enough

SaintWacko

@Scootaloo Three guesses why

Scootaloo

@kalina Ugh... I am so confused.

FEichinger

I understand hesitation, but at this point, you have two new users and on the other side a whole lot of people who ask for an action. That's not a call that should be stalled and pushed to meta.

murgatroid99

Apr 10, 2013 04:42

@BrianBallsun-Stanton I remember seeing multiple Meta.SO posts that seemed to imply that the norms of a chat room are implicitly considered to be rules

Fluttershy

yesterday, by Anna Lear

@LessPop_MoreFizz If stupidity leads to being disruptive and antagonizing folks in chat, a chat suspension is totally appropriate. (Not saying that happened here, necessarily - way too much for me to even try to catch up on. But in principle.)

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kalina

@Fluttershy this so much, I was looking for this

Fluttershy

@kalina Thank @OrigamiRobot.

Retrosaur

In principle, but not that it necessarily happened here

kalina

@BrianBallsun-Stanton @MadScientist you have a stackexchange employee stating that it is correct to ban both of these users

SaintWacko

Apr 10, 2013 04:43

It did.

kalina

are you still going to hesitate?

OrigamiRobot

I am a hero.

Retrosaur

Read that, she never explicity stated that we did something "suspension worthy"

Scootaloo

@Fluttershy What the hell happened?!

murgatroid99

@kalina Please, stop antagonizing the mods. The ones for our site aren't here for whatever reason, and the ones who are here don't have enough information to act appropriately

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:43

She only placeddown guidelines

SaintWacko

@Retrosaur You've been trolling here for a long time

Fluttershy

@murgatroid99 Because we don't have enough!

Mad Scientist

@Fluttershy The "way too much to try to catch up" is the problem here, that is why we leave the final decision to the gaming mods.

kalina

@murgatroid99 I'm not allowed to point out the obvious but these two are allowed to run rampant with their crap?

FEichinger

@MadScientist Then freeze the Bridge until it's decided.

SaintWacko

Apr 10, 2013 04:45

Can you do to the Bridge what you did to the Escape Pod?

murgatroid99

@kalina I'm not saying that we shouldn't ban them; I'm just saying that if the mods who are here don't have the information to act in good faith, we shouldn't force them to act

LessPop_MoreFizz

@SaintWacko I could, but I think it would be a bit over the top.

kalina

I guess the other solution is that we abuse the flag system to get rid of them

SaintWacko

@LessPop_MoreFizz Just until our own mods are on

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz I could too, but somebody removed me from the owners list.

SaintWacko

Apr 10, 2013 04:48

@kalina That's what I was thinking

kalina

we have enough 10k+ users on to achieve that

Fluttershy

@kalina This is never a good idea.

2

One user seems to be gone.

Krazer

Guys, your community mods have been informed of this development. Please have some patience and let them handle this situation.

kalina

I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm saying it's an option since nobody else will do anything about it

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Mad Scientist

It might be futile, but couldn't we just all try solve this without having to suspend anyone? This means, Retrosaur and Johann try to avoid the behaviour that annoys the other user here, and everyone else tries to drop this topic?

murgatroid99

Apr 10, 2013 04:49

I would just like to point out that the disruption has essentially stopped for now, so there is no urgent need to act

SaintWacko

@MadScientist We've requested that before

FEichinger

@MadScientist Don't you think we tried that already?

kalina

@murgatroid99 yes it has

Fluttershy

@MadScientist We've tried that. We've tried explaining to them both explicitly what behavior needed correcting.

kalina

@MadScientist we requested multiple times that they stopped being incessantly annoying

the next time that they do, they will get flagged and (presumably) banned

OrigamiRobot

Apr 10, 2013 04:50

@MadScientist I want to ping you too!

Mad Scientist

@FEichinger That's my point of not having read the whole hundred pages of chat backlog, I don't know how much you tried it.

kalina

@MadScientist many times

SaintWacko

@murgatroid99 That's what happens every time. Consequences approach, and they pull back for a little while. Then once people start to forget, they come back, and the whole thing starts over

kalina

multiple different people too

FEichinger

Obnoxious People Rant

yesterday, 33 seconds total – 7 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 16 hours ago by FEichinger

That was just yesterday, telling Johann to behave.

SaintWacko

Apr 10, 2013 04:51

@FEichinger That was pretty wonderful

FEichinger

As for Retrosaur, before he went out pulling the Hitler card yesterday, we were all just as friendly to him, telling him to behave.

murgatroid99

@SaintWacko Now that the community mods have been informed and they can read the chat log, they can take appropriate action when they get back online

Retrosaur

@FEichinger "Friendly means calling others idiots. Mhm"

Fluttershy

@MadScientist This is pretty relevant to tonight's events. It's from last night. Some of the behavior, and the beginnings of users trying to express a need for a change.

Retrosaur

Don't think I have no clue what was going on in the Escape Pod

As we talked, you guys were making snide remarks about our "intelligence" multiple times and remarked on our supposed "stupidity" yesterday

So much for "friendly". If you're going to try, at least try to get your facts straight.

SaintWacko

Apr 10, 2013 04:53

@Retrosaur We tried friendly. Friendly didn't work.

Fluttershy

@SaintWacko Accurate.

FEichinger

@Retrosaur Need I remind you that you got three suspensions in a day before?

kalina

@Retrosaur in the last month, you are the most banned user in this channel

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OrigamiRobot

The transcript is publicly readable.

kalina

by miles

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:54

@FEichinger Long time ago, why bring it up now?

I don't understand the point you're trying to make

"Oh he got suspended before, he must be an idiot"

FEichinger

@Retrosaur You still act exactly the same if not worse.

Retrosaur

great logic mhm

@FEichinger Speak for yourself

Not for me

kalina

@Retrosaur you are disruptive and don't care, you're not interested in changing the fact, and you're a troll

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Retrosaur the point is that you have a history of being aggressively, willfully disruptive.

Fluttershy

Despite being called out on it, asked to stop, etc.

Retrosaur

Apr 10, 2013 04:55

"Google Fiber is being implemented in two of the dumbest states in the entire country" - LessPop_MoreFizz

LessPop_MoreFizz

More to the matter at hand, the point is that you are without any basis for pleading ignorance in this matter.

Retrosaur

"Fuck Texas" - LessPop_MoreFizz

Fluttershy

@Retrosaur You're strawmanning now. Stop it

Unionhawk

19 mins ago, by Fluttershy

@Retrosaur He already ate a suspension for that. Drop it.

Retrosaur

And drop it as well

OrigamiRobot

Apr 10, 2013 04:55

And when you are called out on it, you start trying to show how everyone else is doing the wrong thing instead of just stopping.

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Retrosaur

I see no reason to bring in my other suspensions

kalina

If I flag Retro right now, are people willing to approve it?

Fluttershy

@kalina Don't do it.

It's not worth the hassle it'd bring.

kalina

I don't care about the hassle, I'd find me being pulled up on purging the noise out of this room after no moderator was willing to deal with it highly ironic

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz He was doing better. Until he was encouraged.

LessPop_MoreFizz

Apr 10, 2013 04:57

@Retrosaur You've got me. I'm really fucking fond of profanity. I use the shit out of words that some people find problematic. Occasionally, it gets me in trouble, especially when someone not used to the bridges atmosphere steps in and sees OMG FOUR LETTER WORDS, but there is a difference between the use of said four letter words and actively, aggressively trolling.

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz ~~Was this meant for me? >_>~~ Boop.

SaintWacko

@kalina It's tempting, but @Fluttershy has a good point

FEichinger

@Retrosaur Again: The reason is that you have not changed since then. You are still being as annoying.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Fluttershy shitty laptop has a bad trackpad. Teach me to chat from the work computer. Especially while unsober.

Fluttershy

@LessPop_MoreFizz No worries.

Lazers

Apr 10, 2013 05:03

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