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4:00 AM
@tchrist What name do you have for all anaphoric words as a group? We call them pronouns.
Most determiners have been traditionally classed along with adjectives, and this still occurs: for example, demonstrative and possessive determiners are sometimes described as demonstrative adjectives and possessive adjectives respectively. However modern theorists of grammar prefer to distinguish determiners as a separate word class from adjectives, which are simple modifiers of nouns, expressing attributes of the thing referred to.
This distinction applies particularly in languages like English which use definite and indefinite articles, frequently as a necessary component of noun phrases
Because adjectives are also nouns.
There is no way in hell that a pronoun is an adjective.
A determiner is a word, phrase or affix that occurs together with a noun or noun phrase and serves to express the reference of that noun or noun phrase in the context. That is, a determiner may indicate whether the noun is referring to a definite or indefinite element of a class, to a closer or more distant element, to an element belonging to a specified person or thing, to a particular number or quantity, etc. Common kinds of determiners include definite and indefinite articles (like the English the and a[n]), demonstratives (like this and that), possessive determiners (like my and thei...
It is the other way around.
An adjective is a subclass of nouns.
What you call a noun, we call a substantive noun.
In "this dog", there is one determiner and one noun. There are no pronouns there.
4:01 AM
@tchrist I disagree with this Anglo-Saxon exclusivity.
But never mind.
When we stop speaking English, we can stop using the correct English terms for these things.
But the Spanish names are the same.
So you had best pick yet another language.
Correct ≠ modern Anglo-Saxon linguistics.
@tchrist Then you're lucky there.
There is a difference between "esta casa" where it is demonstrative adjective/determiner, and just plain "ésta", where it is a pronoun. Notice the spelling even changes.
Except where English has 2 numbers times 2 distances, Spanish has 3 numbers times 3 genders times 3 distances.
But we still both know the difference between a determiner and a pronoun.
You’ve just said an article is a pronoun.
That’s ridiculous.
The articles "a", "an", and "the" are not pronouns, ever. Period. Full stop. Page eject.
*Hey, could you please hand me a?
*No, because I don’t know where I put the.
4:08 AM
8 mins ago, by Cerberus
@tchrist What name do you have for all anaphoric words as a group? We call them pronouns.
*An is out the door.
Articles are not pronouns, ever.
They do not stand in for a noun.
They are determiners.
@Cerberus "Many people would have the same questions" does not convince. "Many experts" would, as would "many experts would find the answer useful or very interesting". But those are claims you have not made.
"There is two rooms" vs. "There are two rooms"
4:10 AM
@tchrist How about adjectival relative pronouns? What do you call those?
@MετάEd Oh, not the expert thing again. Come on.
@Noah Are.
Is is also heard, but not usually in very short sentences like that.
@Cerberus Show me a sentence.
Adverbs can also modify nouns, of course.
The outside noises. The above text.
Ehm... the sarcophagus, which container was not used in Greece, has certain interesting connotations...
Is that English?
@Cerberus That's what I thought. But what's the grammatical details behind them. Why one over the other?
@Noah Agreement.
4:14 AM
I will admit that it is not easy to use it in a good sentence on command, but yes.
@Noah The subject is plural, "two rooms", and the verb should normally be plural if the subject is plural.
@Cerberus The "expert thing" as you call it has been baldly stated multiple times by StackExchange management. Blame them.
@Cerberus Yeah. I am fine with that. My problem is with the is one.
But then there is can be considered an idiomatic (special, fixed) phrase, and so it is often used even with plural subjects, but it sounds a bit informal still.
blames them
I suppose which is something of an adjective in: “Is that your dog? —Which dog?”
@Tchrist How am I going to explain the shared property of the, that, and it, without using the word anaphoric? I want to use pronominal, goddammit!
4:18 AM
“I’m trying to figure out which you’re talking about”. Is that what you mean?
@tchrist Yes, interrogative pronouns can be used adjectivally too.
The does not belong with those.
The is not a pronoun. It is an article, which is a kind of determiner.
Think about it.
The dog can mean "a certain dog that was mentioned before". The same applies to that dog.
4:19 AM
Articles are never pronouns, certainly not in English, that’s for sure.
And it too.
They are all anaphoric.
But I'd like to avoid the word anaphoric.
One is a definite article, and the other is a demonstrative adjective. Both are definite determiners. Neither is a pronoun.
Do you even know what anaphoric means?
Do you want to see my fucking code?
I’ve done co-reference resolution work.
Then I don't understand why you're saying what you're saying.
But never mind.
4:22 AM
Articles aren’t pronouns. Finis.
You just iterate your point without responding...
Let's change the subject.
This isn't going to work.
This is more like asking Obama to reconsider his Health Reform.
@Cerberus What are some 'good' reading practices?
well, at least you're not fighting about fashion for once. :D
4:43 AM
@Noah Um I don't know?
Write down words that you don't understand or don't understand completely, and look those up later (or immediately).
And read good literature.
> RELATIVE ADJECTIVE: a pronominal adjective that introduces a clause qualifying an antecedent (as 'which' in “our next meeting will be on Monday, at which time a new chairman will be elected”) or a clause functioning as a substantive (as 'what' in “I do not know what course I should follow”)
@Tchrist It appears those are called relative adjectives, remember my sarcophagus?
@Cerberus I have to say yes, you are a sarc oph a guy.
I do bite, that is true.
Can't respect a dog that won't bite.
And didn't sarkazo come from "meat"?
Yes, from sarx.
5:10 AM
@Cerberus You mean the ex- french President? I think he came from his mom.
No doubt related.
To his mom? Probably, yes.
@RegDwighт Monty Python did comedy sketches about capitalism. The US does episodic dramatic fiction about capitalism, a.k.a. soap opera.
5:26 AM
You around? Didnt get your comment?
5:39 AM
I'm around.
5:55 AM
And now … I’m not.
I was asking about the comment.
But I got your answer
Good evening.
Hey, @Mahnax
What's up?
@Noah Hi Noah.
@Noah Just procrastinating, that's all. You?
@Mahnax Same here.
6:09 AM
@Noah Good good. Glad that there's productivity out there somewhere.
@Mahnax Right. We just have to be careful with our productivity...
@Noah Why?
Because we are not doing anything.
Well, at least I am not doing anything
Er… OK. If you say so.
How's the weather up there?
Hope it's not getting very cold.
6:12 AM
It was warm today, above 0˚.
32˚ for you America-folk.
Yeah. Right. I remember that conversion formula now
(9/5)˚C + 32 = ˚F
@Mahnax Exactly!
6:16 AM
@Noah Or (5/9)*(˚F-32) = ˚C
Yeah. Same thing.
Yep, just slightly rearranged.
A kid in my class doesn't know how to do that.
He is so dumb when it comes to formulas.
Hey, be nice.
It's not easy for some people.
Right. Sorry
I shouldnt have said that. Now I feel bad.
6:21 AM
What time do you go to bed?
Whenever I feel like sleeping.
I'm on November break, so no school tomorrow.
So no schedule?
I usually go to bed at either 12:00AM or 1:00AM during school.
All that I have tomorrow is my driving test and a concert.
@Mahnax Omm.
Do you have a car?
6:23 AM
@Noah Er?
@Noah My family has one that I'll use when I drive.
'96 Chevy Suburban.
Be careful with that car. It seems like a big beast.
It's not that ugly.
We didn't put a lift kit on it. Those are silly.
Looks more like that.
Okay, this is better
Same color?
6:29 AM
Yeah. Different rims though.
Indeed. Do you drive?
Not yet.
2 hours later…
8:02 AM
Hmm another fire in my street.
Only a few houses away from the fire that happened last winter.
8:33 AM
It appears to be over.
2 hours later…
10:13 AM
Et tu, @tchrist! You're like FumbleFingers now, seeing a great question where there is not even a question.
At least your edit has numbered the options in a clear way for easy reference. But following your comment, I would have expected you to turn it into, well, what your comment said.
Shades of blue, @WillHunting?
@RegDwighт Yes. Hmm I did not read the question too carefully, but it seemed awesome to me, not that the closers are not awesome.
@WillHunting do elaborate how it is awesome. Start by elaborating how it's even a question.
Honestly, please do. I'm not being snarky.
Even after tchrist's edit, it still reads "does 'most Google searches produce 35 times less carbon than the report suggested' mean that Google consumes carbon?"
That question is rhetorical at best.
No native speaker would take it to mean that. Contrary to what @andrewgrimm suggests. Whom I herewith welcome to chat.
@RegDwighт Well, he probably means that there is a report and that the google search yielded information contrary to the report.
Of course, you can say that is not what his question says.
But I think in this case, it seems pretty obvious what he is trying to say.
10:28 AM
@WillHunting if it is obvious to everyone, why hasn't anyone edited it to say the exact thing it is oh-so-obviously asking?
@RegDwighт Haha, because it is obvious and people are tired? =)
People are not tired to type lengthy comments about how it's obvious.
Anyway, looks like it's going to get reopened anyway, so wevs.
I am tired.
If you want this to be our canonical question on this subject, go ahead.
It's a pity. But not the first time.
We will discuss a good question in chat, but then on the main site we will wait for some drive-by asker to ask something remotely similar in the most backwards way possible, and then we'll all happily jump on it pretending it actually is the good question we've been discussing.
10:45 AM
Q: Meaning of “x is 35 times less than y"

Anderson GreenI’m not sure of whether this is grammatically correct, although I've encountered the same expression many times before. Most Google searches show it produces 35 times less carbon than the report suggested. Does 35 times less have a precise meaning in this context, or is it ambiguous here? D...

I hope I did not change the intention of the asker.
Yeah I'm looking at it already.
And I'm not seeing a change for the better.
The first option is still not an option.
@WillHunting according to a comment by the asker, his intention was what @tchrist said, so I take that to mean we are free to change the question to ask what tchrist said.
What tchrist said actually makes sense.
Anyway, the question really is asking about the meaning of "35 times less than". QED.
Actually, it seems quite obvious to me that if A is 35x “less” than B, then B is 35x of A. So we’re talking about ¹⁄₃₅ᵗʰ. I can’t imagine it meaning anything else. — tchrist 11 hours ago
That is all there is. That's an exhaustive answer to the question as asked.
We can't imagine it meaning anything else. Probably because it never actually does mean anything else.
That's where a QED normally goes.
@RegDwighт Ah, but then there are two possibilities in the question!
10:53 AM
So the answer should be, it should be this and not that.
A real answer to a real question. QED.
Possibilty one: cat means "dog". Possibility two: cat means "cat".
Haha, you make a good politician.
No, I make a good take-stuff-at-face-value-an.
@WillHunting I can invent five other possibilities. One more asinine than the other.
Asininness alone is not enough for a question to be acceptable on ELU.
But I think the two possibilities are not ridiculous if one considers only the words themselves.
10:55 AM
@WillHunting if you only consider the word "cat" itself, it could mean five different things, too.
In fact, if you only consider the word itself, it could mean anything at all.
@RegDwighт Hmm, to me that would be a far-fetched example to prove your point.
There is nothing about the word cat that says that it means "cat".
@WillHunting how is it far-fetched and OP's example isn't?
good morning
@RegDwighт Well, the OP's case might be far-fetched in a certain context if it can produce a negative number, but is not far-fetched if we just look at the words themselves. "35 times (of x) less than x is x minus 35 times of x" is quite plausible.
10:57 AM
I saw a question with a new answer as I was browsing anonymously, and I though I should down vote the question because it shows no research effort. Unfortunately after I logged in I found that I'd upvoted last year.
@WillHunting Wiktionary lists 23 meanings for "cat". I was being nice when I said five.
These days I get downvoted for answers I expect not to be downvoted and not downvoted for answers I expect to be downvoted.
@RegDwighт 23 is a nice number, yes.
@WillHunting so I may take the sentence "My cat has four legs and a fluffy tail" and go to ELU and ask if it means a) feline b) prostitute c) to vomit?
@MattЭллен haha.
I was a nicer person back then, apparently :D
11:01 AM
Also, I am trying to keep my rep at a multiple of 5, so I will downvote answers just to achieve that. =)
Vote early!
Vote while still nice!
As you can see, my three accounts are each at a multiple of 5. =)
@matt What do you think of this?
Q: What does "nukulate" mean?

JackWhat does nukulate mean in the following sentence from a question on Cooking SE? Nukulate for 3 minutes on high.

Looks fine to me. I've voted to leave it open
11:06 AM
@MattЭллен That's really a hint to upvote the answer if you think it is OK. =)
although, it probably would have been quicker to ask the person who wrote "nukulate" as to what they meant.
oh! :D yes I should have done that.
@MattЭллен Surprisingly it is all over the internet but not in any dictionary.
It's not in teh Wiktionary and not even in teh OneLook. Open it stays.
Therefore, it is not general reference and not not a real question.
well, it's a silly word. No silly words in the dictionary.
It is classified as ungeneral reference and a real question.
It's a major reference at best. Probably private.
Yay! Now I only need 200 more points to reach 24k.
I think I will retire at 24k. =)
But you already did at 2.4k, don't you remember?
11:09 AM
like that'll happen ;p
Will takes "retired" too literally. He was tired at 2.4k, and now at 24k he is retired.
maybe he'll get his tenth wind!
11:23 AM
sometimes may be does not solve..........
Is this type sentence correct?
1. too many dots at the end
2. It doesn't start with a capital letter
3. maybe is one word.
4. Solve is usually a transitive verb. It might be OK not to be in this instance, but that would depend on context.
There are many films and Tv programs in which a serious crime takes place and a police detective solves or may be does not solve the crime.
That is fine, except that maybe is one word, not two
and TV is an acronym, with both letters capitalised
This sentence taken from TOEFL preparation book
then it is slightly incorrect
11:28 AM
may be is not the same as maybe
@Pratik for the two reasons I put above
Which reason ?
3 mins ago, by Matt Эллен
That is fine, except that maybe is one word, not two
3 mins ago, by Matt Эллен
and TV is an acronym, with both letters capitalised
So maybe behave as noun ?
"May be" is a verb. "Maybe" is an adverb.
I may be rich. Maybe I am rich.
11:33 AM
But in my case it behave as noun/adverb?: There are many films and TV programs in which a serious crime takes place and a police detective solves or maybe does not solve the crime.
It's an adverb. You can test by trying to replace it with a different word.
maybe is modifying does, which is a verb. So maybe is an adverb.
"The detective possibly does not solve the crime", "The detective probably does not solve the crime", "The detective surely does not solve the crime" — works.
Although that's not the only test, but that's what is happening here
11:37 AM
"The detective window does not solve the crime" — does not work.
Xblast time!
OK. i got it,
you're welcome :)
12:02 PM
I wonder if my question isn't better for ELL :D

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