Game Development

I think what I'm going to end up doing is to have clouds moving in a couple of different bands, similar to how they actually move on Earth, but I'll have to see how that actually looks.

DH.

You mean, slower and faster ones?

PearsonArtPhoto

Some will move from left to right, others right to left.

Depending on the latitude.

There's something in the back of my head that says it'll just look confusing, but...

I'll have to try it out probably to see how it looks.

DH.

TIL that clouds don't move to the same direction, and what is most surprising is how I have never noticed it before

PearsonArtPhoto

11:37 AM

LOL.

Let me show off another thing I've been working on, and then I can explain a bit better.

DH.

Wind?

PearsonArtPhoto

It's a bit hard to see zoomed out like this, but the arrows that are seen are the wind patterns.

Yep.

Blue Bug

HOLY SHIT

This kinda looks... AWESOME

DH.

Cool dude

user92578

Really awesome, man it's nice to see your awesome progress

PearsonArtPhoto

11:39 AM

There's a number of bands of wind that happen naturally.

I've made the colors that appear to indicate if they are blowing from the poles, or equators, a color mapping of sorts.

I want to have my clouds follow at least the east west directions of the wind movements.

Shaun Wild

Here's an idea: invert the clouds to be black so the player is actually looking at the shadows casted by the clouds on the surface

I think that would look cool

(er)

Blue Bug

rambling stuff : bend the edges tiny a bit so that it looks like u r looking at surface of a sphere(earth)

user92578

Naw I like the nice theme the white clouds and the smooth colors create

Sie

Shit. I think I may actually have to write a custom ai bot. The bots I have been using have dynamic ai but are still pretty dumb. They rely primarily on way points to do anything meaningful.

PearsonArtPhoto

I'll think about the clouds a bit.

Jon

11:44 AM

I know. Make them symbolic to the cloud.

PearsonArtPhoto

All I'm doing right now is using the smoke effect from Unity, with a bit of working from the Particle System to randomize the speed and size a bit.

And orientation.

Sie

I need the ai bots to be able to find a way to a checkpoint on their own. Currently they just find the way point, draw a path, and wait for that path to be made available and won't take any other routes.

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 also likes to mindlessly disagree with everything I say to start conflict

user92578

How is my opinnion less valuable than yours?

Pip

It's not

Shaun Wild

11:45 AM

its not

DH.

The only thing I would change is opacity of the clouds, they could be annoying if it could have too many of them on the screen

Sie

It's too early in the morning for this shit.

user92578

But it is apparently mindless?

user92578

Also @ShaunWild I thought you ignored me.

Shaun Wild

I have ignored you

PearsonArtPhoto

11:46 AM

I lowered it quite a bit, I might very well lower it even more.

Shaun Wild

@PearsonArtPhoto please lower the opacity and make them black TRUST ME

PLACE YOUR TRUST IN MEEEsssss

PearsonArtPhoto

That just makes me more likely to completely ignore any advice you might have.

Shaun Wild

hahahahaha

Please I beg you

I'll pay you

Pip

Stop

user92578

BOLD EVERYTHING BECAUSE ONLY I AM RIGHT

Shaun Wild

11:47 AM

hahaha

Sie

@PearsonArtPhoto We know what is best for you!

/s

user92578

Looks like someone here is... searching for some info!

Jon

I think an ego battle is commencing.

Blue Bug

I have no ego. I am a scrub Genji on Overwatch.

Shaun Wild

@Jon shut your gorb :P

PearsonArtPhoto

11:49 AM

Making them black is actually difficult.

Jon

In GORB we trust.

Shaun Wild

Gorb Ackbar

inb4 flag

Jon

Yeah once you make them black they can't be changed back.

Shaun Wild

That's racist.

PearsonArtPhoto

Never mind, I just have to use a different kind of shader.

Jon

11:50 AM

Not making the clouds black is pretty racist

Pip

Shaun please stop

Shaun Wild

@Jon I agree.

Quill

Can we stop with the flags and flaggable behaviour please?

Jon

Who the heck are you?

Shaun Wild

What's been flagged?

Wipqozn

11:51 AM

@Jon The blue text means he's a moderator.

Jon

Still a valid question

Wipqozn

Blue text = mod, italics = room owner, regular = nothing special

user92578

And all this because a bad outgiving of a suggestion got ignored

Jon

Also on mobile I see no blue

PearsonArtPhoto

Pip

11:52 AM

Huh that's interesting

user92578

Really? There are no italics either

Shaun Wild

@Jon 30 Minute timeout™

PearsonArtPhoto

That's what it looks with black.

Pip

@PearsonArtPhoto that looks much more meh

Shaun Wild

More opaque

user92578

11:52 AM

@PearsonArtPhoto Is there something burning?

Shaun Wild

Less opaque*

PearsonArtPhoto

I'm going to try a variety of color.

user92578

Is the world going to end?

Jon

Meh too dark

Shaun Wild

Make them less opaque

PearsonArtPhoto

11:52 AM

Yeah, I don't like the black either, but now I've got a room full of people to back me up:-)

user92578

ARE WE ALL JUST GOING TO DIE

Sie

Yes.

Shaun Wild

STOP SHOUTING

user92578

@PearsonArtPhoto I back you up with white!

DH.

It's just pollution, relax

Pip

11:53 AM

Whoops Unity crashed

DH.

Soon it will become smog

Shaun Wild

@DH. it's shadows!

Sie

Mick probably won't though. I'm pretty sure he is a cyborg or a bot.

Jon

Call the game smoggies

PearsonArtPhoto

Now I can say I tried it at least.

Shaun Wild

11:53 AM

you tried it wrong though

DH.

@ShaunWild It's jokes!

PearsonArtPhoto

I expect the check now;-)

Jon

You tried it wrong silly

Shaun Wild

Yup

Try it correctly and you can have a bank transfer of 1 british pound.

user92578

"Ruined"

Jon

11:54 AM

Wait you are a Brit?

Shaun Wild

Of course.

Jon

Cripes

Pip

@ShaunWild No, trying it "correctly" was not a factor

Shaun Wild

@Pip it was lol

Pip

8 mins ago, by Shaun Wild

@PearsonArtPhoto please lower the opacity and make them black TRUST ME

Nope that was the only requirement

Shaun Wild

11:55 AM

He didn't do the first part :/

Pay up or shut up

NEVER

Pay at the pump

Aaand now he's been muted

Shaun Wild

@Pip salt

PearsonArtPhoto

11:56 AM

Jon

You would have to make the shadow follow the clouds

Shaun Wild

^

Jon

And be the same generated noise

Shaun Wild

I was about to say how about both.

PearsonArtPhoto

That would be rather tricky...

Shaun Wild

11:57 AM

It depends where you want your "camera" to be viewing from

user92578

Yeah but that's what would have to happen

Shaun Wild

If you're using a particle generator you can just use the same seed?

Jon

Same texture

Don't generate twice

Shaun Wild

Same seed would result in the same textures

PearsonArtPhoto

The clouds are just a slight accent, not really meant to be seen that much.

Shaun Wild

11:58 AM

bigger and more transparent

Maybe blur them a bit so they're "out of focus"

user92578

Basically if your clouds cast shadows the everything else will have to too

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 no

Jon

Do you ever work on your own game?

user92578

^

Shaun Wild

Me?

I have the creative ability of a newt. I can implement anything I'd like into a 2D game. I can just never think of what would make a game fun :/

user92578

12:05 PM

Damn, 1,19MB when Steam wants 1MB at max

Shaun Wild

I was on livecoding.tv on Sunday and I made a basic tile engine and then just stopped the stream :/

PearsonArtPhoto

Dev Blog- Sea Trading Game. Biomes, Clouds, Bitmasking, and more! kd7uiy.com/2016/06/sea-trading-game-biomes-bitmasking.html

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Shaun Wild

Nice

PearsonArtPhoto

It's always nice when I think I'm not going to accomplish anything in a week and I actually accomplish a ton...

DH.

But... if you really are that good, why make a tile system again?

Shaun Wild

12:09 PM

@DH. elaborate?

DH.

Tile systems are basic, I don't know your age, but it's been years since I wrote my first, and I don't even save them when I prototype something because it's just a few hours to make it work

Shaun Wild

I'm 19 and I'm still unsure what you're asking me?

Are you saying I should do something other than a tile system?

user92578

I atleast don't see "why".

Shaun Wild

???

You guys are being confusing today!

user92578

Why spend time working on a tile system if you are so good at making things? Tile systems are really basic, so spending time on one seems like a waste of time to us.

DH.

12:14 PM

Tyyppi got my idea

Shaun Wild

There are a couple of things I can't get my head around

user92578

1,05MBs... coming closer

Shaun Wild

Non AA-Collision

And 3D

So tile based games are my favourite

Polygonal / NonAA Collision detection is soo hard lol

DH.

It's wiser to avoid them anyway (even though I don't know what you mean by NonAA, maybe pixelmask?), since it's better in performane to use multiple bounding boxes and circles

And yeah, 3D is a bit hard to get yourself into, first time I used OpenGL I had my mind blown up

user92578

Isn't non-AA just SAT?

Uri Popov

12:22 PM

you can just do per-pixel collision checks

Shaun Wild

Per pixel

collission

Checks

user92578

Look into SAT (or simply google OOBs), that's actually really simple

user92578

Do you guys happen to know how I could remove a few frames from the end and the beginning of a gif without screwing up the transparency optimization?

Shaun Wild

REERENDER

Oh god.

It's quite sad how I automatically put caps lock on before typing anything starting with "RE" lol

user92578

I'm sad that I can't just my awesome promo gif

Shaun Wild

12:28 PM

*As he descended down from Heaven*
*An angel, @Tyyppi_77*
*Blessed us with his intellect and joy*
*And his new game, ______*

Does your game rhyme with joy

It should.

Can someone write a poem about me now? c:

Ali.S

@ShaunWild rhymezone.com/r/…

user92578

I can't rhyme in english

Ali.S

the first word that I thought of was toy, and now boy

Shaun Wild

@Ali.S thank you aha

MickLH

@ShaunWild Here I wrote you a haiku

There is this guy Shaun.
He is often annoying.
Why does he like Java?

Shaun Wild

12:33 PM

hahahahaahah

I love it

MickLH

<3

DH.

Man, if Mick thinks you're annoying, better review your behavior

Shaun Wild

There is a young fellow named Mick.
He likes to spend most of his time being a ____.
Hail Java.

Sie

Hey Mick.

MickLH

@Sie probably a couple days

Leggy7

12:34 PM

I think that doesn't respect haiku metric

Pip

@PearsonArtPhoto "I'm still playing with the clods in particular, I have a few things in mind, will see how they work out." should probably be "I'm still playing with the clouds in particular. I have a few things in mind, we'll see how they work out.

Sie

@MickLH Ok.

Shaun Wild

Haiku's are not allowed to rhyme?

MickLH

@Sie Unless you want something to experiment with immediately, I was gonna re-work it to be way easier to use from C#

Leggy7

I think they can, but each verse must be of a specic syllable number

cant remember exactly something like 4-5-4

Pip

12:36 PM

5-7-5

Shaun Wild

Game Development chat is very dim.
Pip and Sie need to lighten up.
Tyyppi and Leggy like C.

Sie

@MickLH It's no rush. Currently I am trying to make my ai bots slightly less retarded and give the illusion that they are smart.

Shaun Wild

Is that a haiku

Leggy7

ah yeah, thx pip

user92578

12:36 PM

Box art thumbnail

Sie

@ShaunWild Who are you anyway?

Pip

Nice!

user92578

Not as good as the original one but I think this is as good as I can do

Pip

np Leggy

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 I like it.

Uri Popov

12:37 PM

OG haikus need to feature a color and a season if I'm not mistaken

Leggy7

@Tyyppi_77 what's the € symbol inside the cage? :)

Shaun Wild

I like red.
Autumn is red.
Red.

It's a padlock

I think @UriPopov

Ali.S

@ShaunWild you don't like rhymes very much? do you?

user92578

@Leggy7 What?

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 @UriPopov It's a padlock??

DH.

12:38 PM

@Leggy7 I think that's a big lock

Sie

It's a padlock but I can see some confusing it as a euro.

MickLH

A human sized padlock lol

Shaun Wild

Hahaha

Leggy7

ah yeah, of course, it is partially clipped?

user92578

Yeah it goes behind a bar

user92578

12:38 PM

Otherwise it would be a bad lock

Shaun Wild

Hahahaa

Pip

lol

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 is he having double machine gun now?

DH.

The first time I saw it I thought that it was a toilet, because it's white, but then I looked twice and noticed it were a lock

Leggy7

:)

user92578

12:39 PM

@Ali.S Yup, double bullets on that gun

Ali.S

it feels like the bullets diverge..

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 are there any other weapons?

@Tyyppi_77 Can you add flamethrowers?

user92578

I have a flame thrower

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 show meee

Sie

He has you on ignore iirc.

Shaun Wild

12:40 PM

@Tyyppi_77 doesn't have me on ignore

user92578

Sie

Man... I don't want to have to make new AI bots. I'm probably just going to extend these old ones. I would post the code but I'm pretty sure I'd be violating some kind of copyright.

user92578

Can't upload anything cooler because of imgur's size limit

Shaun Wild

@Sie AI for what?

I love coding AI.

Sie

@ShaunWild It's a bot that is built to solve puzzles that is assisted by the player.

user92578

12:42 PM

Wrong guy

Sie

@Tyyppi_77 gifyu.com

Pip

@Chris Unity has been crashing :/

user92578

Shaun can't see that shit, I need to use imgur

Pip

Betas ftw

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 Looking out for me <3

user92578

12:43 PM

Wouldn't make a lot of sense to show you something on a thing you can't see

Uri Popov

I'm on 5.5.0a1 and only had 2 crashes. One was my fault I think

user92578

Anyways gunherogame.com

Sie

Why Imgur though? gifyu is nice but beware they will compress it and may add some artifacts depending on the size.

user92578

@Sie Shaun can't see anything else than what's directly uploaded here trough the upload button!

Pip

Don't you just love null pointer exceptions inside of Unity?

user92578

12:43 PM

I already said this

user92578

1 min ago, by Tyyppi_77

Shaun can't see that shit, I need to use imgur

Pip

@UriPopov I'm on 5.4b22

Sie

Oh. Must be a block or something. It works fine for me...

Also that is an old and ugly level that needs updates.

user92578

@Sie Exactly, it's a block that only allows stack.imgur

Sie

It looks so gross now that I see that gif.

Uri Popov

12:45 PM

@Pip dude 5.5.0a1 has a BUILD IN TILE MAP SYSTEM

and sprite masking(finally).

Sie

Imgur has been going down the drain lately. Especially on mobile.

Pip

Cool, not that I'll be using that for this project

3D ftw

Uri Popov

we cant afford a 3d artist atm X_X

Shaun Wild

@Sie dat skybox tho

user92578

it's a paper world, that's his thing

Shaun Wild

12:46 PM

It still looks funny lol

In a good way

Sie

It needs work. Especially the fugly developer art.

The vertex gun looks like a mustard bottle and has some shit glued onto it.

Shaun Wild

@sie hey don't hate on yourself

It looks great

Sie

Well I like the levels just not the weapon/tool models. I mainly whipped those up in Blender so I could tell what I was holding when testing.

Pip

So the question is do I downgrade to 5.3 or continue and just keep restarting Unity

Sie

Anyway. I would swap to RainAI if the documentation weren't so terrible. A* might work but that looks very complicated.

Pip

12:51 PM

Yo Sie are you working in Unity?

I have a Unity-targeted A* implementation for 2D on Github

Sie

Ya I'm working in Unity.

Pip

github.com/WardBenjamin/UnityAStar

Sie

How hard would it be to implement in a 3D game do you think?

Shaun Wild

unity has built in path finding?

Pip

Easy I think

Shaun Wild

12:53 PM

@Pip could be a virus dude.

Sie

@ShaunWild It does but it's not very good.

Sup Almo

not much

It does for 3d

@Sie depends on what game.

Jon

12:54 PM

Nav mesh not work for 2d

Almo

there are many 3d games that would be easy to implement in unity, many that would be hard.

Sie

12 mins ago, by Sie

@ShaunWild It's a bot that is built to solve puzzles that is assisted by the player.

That is what I'm going for.

Almo

too vague for me to have any idea if that will be easy or hard, beyond that AI is really hard to get right

Shaun Wild

I love making AI.

Generally my favourite part of game dev.

DH.

The main problem @Sie is that your game can be a mess with all the distorted meshes

Sie

12:56 PM

@Almo Basically the AI needs to be able to do the following: Follow a set path, avoid obstacles, re-route if the path is changed, and work around/with other ai bots.

DH.

I would stick to NavMesh for now

user92578

Would you guys mind giving me some feedback on the written description of the game that will be displayed below the trailer and the screenshots?

Almo

Rhyme is not used in Japanese because they have many many fewer possible word endings than we do, so stuff is more likely to rhyme even if htey don't want it to. So they kind of ignore it.

Sie

@DH. That is why I've been using Breadcrumbs AI. It requires no navmesh and it works well. However the developer has stopped working on it and the features are either limited or outright half-baked.

Pip

That implementation that I linked uses a form of breadcrumbs for pathfinding

Almo

12:58 PM

"You are the hero this evil-filled world needs."

Pip

it's totally ripped off of Jon

Almo

that's clearer sentence structure

Pip