Game Development

I have but I'm not at that stage yet. I need to loose 10-15 kg first. So I'm eating at a deficit with a low-carb no sweets diet. Keeping my muscle by lifting 4 times a week.

Shaun Wild

How do you split your sets?

Do you do 12-15 reptitions

and 3 sets?

That should be your goal

Uri Popov

3 sets 10-15 reps with fewer weights

Shaun Wild

You're all set then

Cardio too?

Uri Popov

for instance my friend does squats with 45kg I do 15 reps with 30

at least 40 min of cardio

Shaun Wild

7:54 AM

aww that's good.

Uri Popov

thread mil + rowing

Shaun Wild

I can't squat lol

I'm too tall

Well, that's my excuse

How tall are you?

Uri Popov

I dont really know.. 178-180

Shaun Wild

metric eh

Where are you from?

Uri Popov

Bulgaria

Shaun Wild

7:57 AM

Uri Popov

south eastern Europe . The balkans. Above Greece.

Shaun Wild

Hahah okay

@Tyyppi_77 how much is your game going to be sold for?

Leggy7

ok guys, gym stuff isn't actually a sinonym of being a man

user92578

Oh my god I'm so hyped up, polishing the Greenlight page atm

Leggy7

practice some sport

HOLY CRAP

are you done with coding for gl?

user92578

8:03 AM

no

user92578

I'm putting it on Greenlight, that doesn't mean that it's ready

Leggy7

but you got stuff done to show on gl?

user92578

oh yeah

Leggy7

then, ok. you will improve features and shit

user92578

Yeah, and mostly add content

Leggy7

8:04 AM

holy shit @Tyyppi_77! I'm frigging excited

Shaun Wild

@Tyyppi_77 your game needs birds

user92578

I am too! :DDD

Shaun Wild

I wish I had the time to make a game :/

user92578

fuck

user92578

I took the screenshots without lighting

Shaun Wild

8:14 AM

lol

Leggy7

please show with and without

user92578

naw I'll just quickly redo them

Leggy7

no I mean here

so I can see differences

user92578

Oh, it's not a big difference

user92578

8:16 AM

user92578

Wait

user92578

I think those both have it

Shaun Wild

They do

lol

Leggy7

I was feeling dumb :)

user92578

8:17 AM

That one doesn't have it

Shaun Wild

Has @Tyyppi_77 Ignored me or is he just being rude?

Leggy7

does that affect contrast between backgroud and foreground walls?

user92578

No I don't think so, I experimented with some deeper shadows

user92578

But I didn't really like those

Leggy7

it is kinda imperceptible to my eyes

but maybe this is the purpose

user92578

8:22 AM

Yeah it is, it mainly shows in big chunks of solid terrain

Shaun Wild

It's pointless, basically

Leggy7

yeah that's the main difference that I can get

lol shaun

they are these soft details that make a game :)

Shaun Wild

It looks more like a vignette than lighting lol

Leggy7

ocne you're done with mechanic you are not even close to half of development

Shaun Wild

true

user92578

8:26 AM

I think I'll take a lunch break soon and then hit the button

Leggy7

so it is a metter of minutes until you release on gl???????

user92578

well maybe like an hour or something

user92578

I'll let you know :)

Shaun Wild

wtf?

wtf man?

If I said that @Pip would be all over my arse like "SHAUN STOP"

And then Quill would have me on a 30 minute timeout

Leggy7

I'm just over excited on what tyyppi is reaching. It is a very important goal

Shaun Wild

8:30 AM

It's not THAT good lol

Leggy7

I don't follow you

user92578

I wonder if I dare to post a release estimate

Leggy7

write "tomorrow, BITCHES"

Uri Popov

"when it's done"

Leggy7

nice thing MS did about edge is the loading screen so when I accidentally hit its icon I can insta close it

Shaun Wild

8:58 AM

Pisses me off when simple code runs inconsistently

I have a netbeans plugin that simlpy adds some useful buttons and for some stupid reason they dont load sometimes

user92578

ALL RIGHT

user92578

GunHero is on Steam Greenlight! Go vote it, tell your friends to vote it, tell your moms to vote it, and tell your friends' moms to vote it!

22

Käsebrot

Hi guys

user92578

Hi

Käsebrot

I was wondering, will there still be a demand for OpenGL/WebGL/DirectX developers in the future? Or will we all just use Unity/CryEngine...?

what di you think?

GLeBaTi

9:05 AM

hi all

how can i find "C"?

if i have: alpha, betta and c

user92578

@Käsebrot Well no one can say for sure, but someone has to program Unitys and CryEngines

user92578

But I would guess that most jobs will use ready made engines

Käsebrot

@Tyyppi_77 a pitty!

user92578

Why?

Käsebrot

For two reasons: a general one is, that fact would kill diversity in game engines

user92578

9:11 AM

why is that a bad thing?

Käsebrot

Because diversity is always good for innovation. I mean lets be honest UnrealEngine games all look kind of same

you always can tell, this is done with unity or with cry engine

user92578

Nope

Käsebrot

the second thing is I love programming I don't want programming to become obsolete in game developement

user92578

That's probably not going to happen

user92578

There will always be tools needed, and gameplay to be scripted

Käsebrot

9:13 AM

scripted, exactly

user92578

scripting == programming

user92578

And someone has to maintain the scripting environments and related systems

Käsebrot

graphics programmers will become obsolete for the most part

user92578

Shaders will be needed

Käsebrot

can't they be generated somehow nowadays?

there are tools for sure, right?

user92578

9:15 AM

Well yeah

user92578

But someone has to make the tools

Käsebrot

who will need new tools when we have established tools for decades

they get better and better

user92578

SOMEONE HAS TO DEVELOP THOSE TOOLS STILL

user92578

plus game tech keeps on improving all the time

user92578

You can't use the engine from the original Doom to make a VR game

Käsebrot

9:17 AM

this will only be a handful of developers

just like you said

user92578

And do you believe that nowadays everyone is rolling their own engines?

Käsebrot

There are some people

Kojima does

David Cage does

user92578

Exactly, some

user92578

Why should that change in the future?

Käsebrot

Because at some point the tools will be so powerful, that other engines will not be needed anymore

money

will decide

Leggy7

9:19 AM

I'm fine with that

user92578

I'm fine with that too but I don't think that's still true

user92578

People will always come up with something new, and then they will have to produce a new game engine for the new thing

user92578

Can I get my greenlight message starred?

Käsebrot

I hoper you are right

Leggy7

WHERE THE HECK IS YOUR GL MESSAGE?

user92578

9:22 AM

above the triangle

Leggy7

found!

user92578

ty

Käsebrot

I can't

Ah got it

Leggy7

now that you're in, what does steam say to you? how many votes you need?

what's the mechanism?

do you have a backend where you can see postive and negative feedback? tell me, I'm curious like a monkey

DARN, I didn't get first comment. who the fuck was that?

user92578

no idea

user92578

9:36 AM

I'm not even familiar with the language

user92578

But yeah comments and any kind of shares are really appreciated

Käsebrot

It is german

user92578

Oh right, yeah

user92578

I had to google translate it

Käsebrot

it mean: the game is simple and has a nice concept

+s

user92578

9:38 AM

I feel like I should be doing something but I don't know what

Käsebrot

spread the word I guess ^^

user92578

I think I've spread it on the channels I know

Käsebrot

twitter, reddit, facebook....

kk

thought so

user92578

I posted to r/indiegames, posted to my personal facebook, posted on twitter

Käsebrot

show me the tweet

I willretweet

user92578

9:40 AM

#GunHero is on Steam Greenlight! Go vote it, and don't forget to tell your friends, moms and friends' moms! http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=712514567 #GameDev

Tweeted by Tyyppi_77 on June 28, 2016 at 9:02 AM

user92578

Thanks, that would be really appreciated!

Leggy7

what informations steam gives you on your gl status?

like progress bars or something?

Käsebrot

done

user92578

@Leggy7 oh yeah sorry I forgot to answer you above

user92578

So the mechanic is a little hidden to everyone

user92578

9:42 AM

But you need to get to like the top 100 games on greenlight at the time

user92578

Steam shows me how far I'm from there (currently I'm at 2%)

user92578

It shows me how many visitors I've had

user92578

And how many of them have voted yes, and how many have voted no

user92578

votes show as a pie graph

Leggy7

any no vote atm?

user92578

9:43 AM

13

Käsebrot

good luck with GL mate

user92578

thanks, I'm really nervous

Leggy7

and yes votes?

that zeros4 deserves to die

user92578

28

Leggy7

also amberbaum

user92578

9:47 AM

If I were to fail, it would be because of what the two guys raised up

user92578

It's a concern, however I have mechanics that separate the game

user92578

Apparently I could delete those comments

Leggy7

better to answer (Like I did) rather than eliminate

user92578

However I don't think that's the way to go

user92578

Yeah I answered with a long message, hoping to shut any other commenters

Leggy7

9:54 AM

that's your job @Tyyppi_77 you should calm sould down and keep your game up. you should destroy those shits

user92578

OH MAN i'm dying out there

Leggy7

I'll halp ya

user92578

Yeah I got help from a Twitch chat I hang around in

user92578

I really thought I was ready for this

user92578

I think I need to step away from the computer for a moment

Leggy7

9:59 AM

ahahah

yeah, smoke some tobacco and have a beer, chill

user92578

I'm underage so I can't do any of that haha

Leggy7

rofl, stupid country rules

Uri Popov

@Tyyppi_77 so now is the time to share to that facebook group I told you about right ?

user92578

yes, absolutely, that would be marvelous!

Uri Popov

group has 311 members I think most of them will like it

user92578

10:05 AM

Sounds awesome

Leggy7

10:18 AM

@Tyyppi_77 have you a profile up on IndieDB?

user92578

I don't

Leggy7

do it

user92578

Should I make one now?

user92578

aight

Leggy7

yes

Shaun Wild

10:23 AM

I voted no on steam greenlight lol

Get rekt

Jon

Have you ever had a dream like this?

►

Uri Popov

jon coming out with dem old old memes

Shaun Wild

10:45 AM

I was like "bruh"

If I wanted to make a phone application that was quite simple, just a few menus, uis and rest calls, but I wanted it to be cross platform, so android, windows and iPhone, how would I go about that? @MickLH

It's weird how at the end he says "you want him to do you so hard you'd do anything?"

Uri Popov

@ShaunWild just make it in unity. The overhead is minimal and you get to be multi-platform almost automagically.

DH.

There are a few tools for apps that don't require that "Made in Unity" splash screen

Ionic is one of them, it lets you make hybrid apps

Uri Popov

well if he has experience in unity(like me) I would be a better choice to work in a familiar environment right ?

Jon

naw

do what makes you feel miserable man

DH.

And that's why I'm saying that there are other tools :P

And, IIRC, he never used Unity

Shaun Wild

11:09 AM

I have used Unity a lot in the past.

I feel like a 3D game engine is a bit overkill for an app

Uri Popov

like I said overhead is minimal

Jon

depends on the app

Uri Popov

you can reduce it to like only 7mb

Shaun Wild

VS has hybrid development support

In C# too

I love C#

DH.

Actually it's Xamarin, but after MS bought it they bundled together in the last version of VS

Jon

11:12 AM

naw its not bundled yet is it?

Shaun Wild

Ionic looks really cool

I like HTML5 and JS

DH.

Well, if you can uncheck the Xamarin option, but yeah it's bundled :P

is Xamarin free ?

Now it is

good guy microsoft

11:13 AM

it used to cost your first born child

DH.

Yeah, but MS took a good move, bought Xamarin and included in all licenses of VS

Shaun Wild

Yes I think Xamarin is the way forward for this

Do I have to buy an apple developer license even for prototype testing?

Jon

no only to publish to ios store

did you guys see that Orion bullshit going on?

DH.

I don't even know that Orion is

Wait I fucked it up

Jon

today they went public about Activion's DMCA takedown of their game from steam due to similarities in weapon designs from ORION and CoD: black ops 3/CoD: advanced warfare.

Uri Popov

11:16 AM

the constellation ?

PearsonArtPhoto

I think you have to have one, but it is free, unless you are going to post to the ios store.

Jon

they freaked out publicly saying it was bullshit

Look at this -- COD guns on the top -- Orion gun on the bottom

Shaun Wild

DH.

Getting the SDK is "free", as long as you have a Mac

Shaun Wild

Does a VM count? lol

user92578

11:18 AM

Ignoring the shit posters, I seem to have gotten a nice amount of "yes"s so far

user92578

Surely it's not much and is just going to slow down

DH.

Man wtf

The guns do have some similarities, but no big deal

Jon

@Tyyppi_77 oh man, wait for hate comments

user92578

I can feel their arrival

Shaun Wild

I said no.

Jon

11:20 AM

I had a lot of hateful comments when I first posted on greenlight -- althought this was way back when greenlight first started

user92578

We're almost there

user92578

Most of the comments are about reporting my game

Darth_Wardy

@Jon OMG ... such an Apple move, "round corners are ours, just don't use them ok!!!"

Jon

if u want this game check out broforce on the store page its u know the real game not a cash grab of a fake version made by game maker

wow... lol some kids are friggen jerks

user92578

yep

Jon

11:23 AM

the mob has spoken.

user92578

it seems to be just a few same people commenting over and over though

Leggy7

and the dude saying that you delete comments..

Jon

Someone made a game that looks like broforce!?!?!?!?! CLEAR MY SCHEDULE!

Shaun Wild

@Jon Lol that comment made me chuckle.

@Jon Looking at bro force, it looks like @Tyyppi_77 literally copied it

Uri Popov

@Tyyppi_77 dont delete comments. Thats a major dick move

Shaun Wild

11:26 AM

@UriPopov ^^^

user92578

that comment had nothing to do with my game

user92578

but I won't do that agian

Jon

"Buy viagra here"

Leggy7

which comment did you delete?

user92578

I can't even remember

user92578

11:28 AM

But I won't do that again

Jon

Thanks!

Your response will now appear in my spreadsheet.

user92578

What

Jon

lol... so how am I suppose to read it if its in your spreadsheet?

user92578

> Basically this is like BroForce, but NOT A RIPOFF. If you consider this ripoff then Battlefield is ripoff of call of duty and call of duty is ripoff of counter strike. At least i didn't play as renamed famous movie heroes (some of which are inexplicably turned into American such as William Wallace) and in this game there's seems no randomized powerups and promising new features. Greenlighting.

user92578

Finally, a super nice guy gets it

Hjorthenify

11:40 AM

@ShaunWild I disagree. It has its own style. The gameplay may be inspired by it, but I dont see it being a copy.

Leggy7

everyone know Shaun :) it's worth nothing to asnwer his provocations

@Tyyppi_77 what's cheap?

Hjorthenify

Haven't been around for a while..

user92578

@Leggy7 the game

Hjorthenify

@Tyyppi_77 You lost

:D

user92578

what?

Hjorthenify

11:46 AM

...

Nvm

Leggy7

@Tyyppi_77 I mean what do you intend with cheap?

user92578

Oh, maybe 5 bucks?

Leggy7

have you already got any idea?

sounds legit. how long have you been deving?

Hjorthenify

This fucking crafting system is going to be the death of me

Martin Sojka

Why?

Hjorthenify

11:48 AM

@Tyyppi_77 What was your age again? 19?

@MartinSojka I started refactoring it and its a nightmare :P

user92578

I turn 18 in July

user92578

@Leggy7 this game? or in general?

Leggy7

this game

Martin Sojka

@Hjorthenify At some point, it's better to just redesign and rewrite everything from scratch.

Hjorthenify

@MartinSojka Yeah.. I might, but then again I really dont want to deal with Unity's UI again

Martin Sojka

11:49 AM

Unless you are stuck emulating some kind of system you have no control over and can't redesign, in which case sucks to be you.

user92578

it's been two years since I started the prototype

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 a suggestion about your gif icon... make it loop properly

user92578

can't really

Ali.S

like jump on the next stage after the current animation finishes

Hjorthenify

@MartinSojka I've gone from a fixed amount of input / output slots to a dynamic amount.. Keeping track of inputted items and which items it should output has become quite difficult.

Martin Sojka

11:51 AM

What complications does your crafting system present, anyway?

Ali.S

jump on platform, kill the guy, rescue the other guy, move right and jump down, repeat the process

user92578

oh, I'll see about that

Hjorthenify

What I just wrote

If that's what you mean :)

Martin Sojka

Sounds like something for a generic input-to-output mapper, reading its configuration from a file. Like, {input:{gold:1, silver:1}, output:{electrum: 2}} in a JSON file, and then the UI or whatever can ask the mapper if what's in the slots fits one of the "recipes" it knows.

Hjorthenify

I got that

Uri Popov

11:55 AM

you know what I think. I think we should start a repo for this chat were we work on a game. And we just implement random shit when we have time and it could either turn out to be the best game made in the worst way or a complete pile of garbage.

Hjorthenify

The issue im dealing with right now is the following: Are there enough ingredients in the fields? Are the output fields empty? If not do they contain the resulted item? Are any of the input fields empty? Which items are available?

Martin Sojka

A few of those depend on what the crafting machine is supposed to be doing. For a "you can craft everything anytime" type, "Are there enough ingredients in the fields?" is just giving the contents of all the fields to the recipe mapper and asking it to return any valid recipe which has those; or null if there isn't one.

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