The Comms Room

12:04 AM

@ewwhite Well when you're in the moment, over a long enough period of time (10 years is a long time) you're bound to fuck it up eventually

You'll forget to take the pill, or you'll get loaded and decide to go bareback "just this once" or whatever

The very first time I had sex without any contraception at all I knocked my wife up

And I am totally telling my children that

freiheit

@MarkHenderson "And that's why grandpa is holding a shotgun in our wedding photos..."

Mark Henderson

@freiheit funny story. My mother in law is incredibly anti-pre-marrital sex. She drilled it into my wife as a kid from like 8 years old and caused quite a bit of emotional baggage for my wife

Turns out that she herself only got married because she got knocked up

freiheit

So.... grand*ma* was the one with the shotgun?

Mark Henderson

@freiheit haha we were married already so it was all good

Although it was within the first year of being married, which was quite a bit sooner than I'd been hoping

But meh, now I have voluntarily had a second one

ewwhite

All interesting.

Mark Henderson

12:20 AM

I think @ewwhite has just decided he's not going to have sex any more

ewwhite

@MarkHenderson no, I keep a good amount of Saran Wrap handy... just in case.

condoms are wayyyyy too expensive

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Hows that go for the sensitivity? ;)

ewwhite

12:35 AM

:(

mossy

12:54 AM

@ewwhite tin foil better

@MarkHenderson hello. im bored

what are you doing

Mark Henderson

@mossy So you want me to give you a handjob?

Right now I'm raging against some requests that our users have made that just don't make sense

And I scored a Dell MD1000 disk array for almost nothing to expand the DAS in one of our servers so I'm organising shit for that

mossy

fun.

i think my cat hid my debit card.

Mark Henderson

@mossy No more spending for you

Although if the iPhone 6 launches payments in Australia I won't be needing to carry debit/credit cards

ewwhite

4:02 AM

so we all gave up on chat?

Mark Henderson

4:14 AM

@ewwhite I guess work got in the way

I apologise for not amusing you

Wesley

5:14 AM

@ewwhite Talk to me like one of your french girls.

Talk to me like you talk to Sandra.

This makes me angry:

-1

Q: Home network security - opening SSH port

I have a raspberry pi connected to my home network, and am wanting to open port 22 for SSH. If someone somehow managed to get SSH access to my raspberry pi via SSH (e.g. guessed password), would this in an way compromise the security of other machines (mostly Windows 7/8) connected to my home ne...

Bed time. Snuggles!

MichelZ

good morning

Jenny D

5:48 AM

morning

Mathias R. Jessen

morning!

Dennis Nolte

6:52 AM

morning.

Ward

Dammit, @Iain, tell the magic close-dust faeries to do some reviewing, too! :)

Iain

@Ward They do review

faker

morning

Ward

@Iain They seemed to be mostly close-voting... I'm not sure if all the faeiries are working well together, I think there need to be lots of down-vote faeries, but if they show up, then the votes:0 faeries don't see those ones...

Whatever, less crap is always good...

Iain

@Ward The faeiries' reasoning has become so difficult to fathom. I thought they deleted closed, not protected, not duped questions after 9 days

G'day btw

Ward

7:04 AM

@Iain Consulting with the canonical close-faerie meta-Q, you're right... I think I focus on downvoting more than close-voting.

Iain

@Ward it's interesting to note that most of what I'm voting on is crap migrated in by SO too

Ward

7:23 AM

@Iain Oh, my, did you see this?

telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11096585/…

Iain

@Ward yeah I saw the twitter pick a few days ago - very unfortunate

Ward

Uh-oh, my daughter's hamsters have woken up, it's clearly past my bedtime...

MichelZ

8:02 AM

yeeeehaw

just made my Steward Gold badge

now I can go home

:)

Magellan

8:15 AM

evenin' gents

Jenny D

@Ward funny how they call it "nude-coloured" - if you look at the cyclist to the left, it's really really not her "nude" colour...

tombull89

8:32 AM

exporting a sql database to excel...this is going to be fun.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

8:42 AM

@JennyD maybe she's just really tanned except under her bike clothes? :)

Iain

That would be true of me if I were the tanning type

pauska

9:15 AM

g'day

Chopper3

9:27 AM

hi

tombull89

close votes pl0x

-2

Q: Did the Windows Server 2012 engineers of Microsoft fall on their head? Hard?

This week I work for a new customer, and so far I've only worked with Windows Server 2012 R2. At my current job there are a lot of Windows server 2012 installations. And we use them via RDP. And every time I have to do simple tasks, like loggin off, I'm amazed!; Drawing fictive circles with my m...

windows-server-2012 discussion-forums

Journeyman Geek

9:56 AM

rofl

2012 uses metro and charms?

tombull89

is the correct answer.

pauska

indeed it does

Journeyman Geek

0_0

pauska

you can pretty much avoid it in 2012 r2 by right-clicking the start button

Dan

@JourneymanGeek The sad thing is that it's a great OS underneath, but yeah, 2012 R2 is the way to go

Journeyman Geek

9:58 AM

@Dan: eh, same is true of 8

Dan

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, exactly

8.1 is fine

Dennis Nolte

wow, i actually seem to start getting reps because of old answers, thats nice, just a little bit more to VTC :)

pauska

I hope they do 8.2/9.0 right

Journeyman Geek

I almost never see metro tho, I either pin or use stream to launch stuff

pauska

8.0 is like Vista without any service packs.. 8.1 is a fully patched Vista.. I'm hoping for 8.2/9.0 to be the windows 7..

Journeyman Geek

9:59 AM

@pauska: 'threshold' looks interesting

pauska

@JourneymanGeek so do I, but I'm out of pin space :(

Journeyman Geek

@pauska: If I did I'd consider a start button replacement

MichelZ

@JourneymanGeek ClassicShell... I never ever see metro

Journeyman Geek

@MichelZ: Oh, if my dad would just dump his crusty old XP box, thats the first thing I need to install

pauska

@JourneymanGeek already done..

ye, classicshell

MichelZ

10:01 AM

@pauska get a bigger monitor. I have 25 things pinned, works good

Journeyman Geek

lol

Dan

@pauska I thoroughly disagree here - 8 is a great OS, just Metro was a failure

Journeyman Geek

s/bigger/higher resolution

@Dan: 8 is a wierd case where the fundamentals are lovely, they just completely had no clue where they wanted to go with the UI

pauska

@Dan I don't mean it literally.. just in retroperspect

Vista fully patched actually worked quite OK

Journeyman Geek

Its half fucked tablet half fucked desktop, and the resulting mess is good at neither being a great tablet UI, or a great desktop UI

pauska

10:02 AM

(UAC annoyance at RTM, Metro annyoance at RTM etc)

@JourneymanGeek I like metro on a surface.. onenote is pro. but it's confusing when you suddenly arrive at a classic app or the classic desktop

Journeyman Geek

precisely

making you context switch like that was silly

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yes it does, and it's stupid

...actually, I kinda want to see 2012R2 on a tablet. Or phone.

Journeyman Geek

and they way they fixed that, by window-tising formerly full screen metro apps is something ~~microsoft skunkworks~~ stardock did well enough that ms stole it

Bob

Oh. There's one case where Metro on Server 2012 actually was useful O_O

when I needed to RDP in from my phone while on a train :P

pauska

@Bob but none of the server administration tools are in metro..

Bob

10:08 AM

I still ended up switching to cursor mode, though.

@pauska And that was why.

I could navigate the start/charms menus. Joy. Except I kept fat-fingering Server Manager :\

pauska

yeah.. fat-fingering server manager is not something I would recommend unless it's red alert

Dan

@pauska Ah, I see what you're saying. I actually sat at a Vista OEM machine last month - UAC and the file copying delay really was as bad as we remember. It drove me up the wall for the 15 minutes I had to touch it

RobM

the big problem with windows 8 is that as a tablet user, being dumped to a desktop sucked and as a desktop user, being dumped to a tablet interface sucked.

Microsoft so busy trying to please everyone with just one system that they ended up pleasing hardly anyone

Dan

@RobM OTOH, I have a full on apple fan boy friend who has had a play with the new surface and he says it's superb

RobM

I do like Windows 8 with start is back though

@dan I've heard the surface 3 is good too actually. We've had a Dell Venue tablet here too and that's been really good too.

Dan

10:15 AM

The only problem I have with it is that, due to it's cost (£1000+), I'm not sure how big the market is. It wouldn't work for me because it's not enough of a laptop and I expect for many it's too much tablet

RobM

that's with 8.1 on the surface and venue of course. That went a long way towards blunting the corners of the worst mistakes of the initial release

Dan

I mean, you can get buy a brand new iPad (Which, let's face it, is still the benchmark) AND a decent spec laptop

RobM

@dan the venue is a good bit cheaper.

For me, a tablet I can take into a switch cabinet room, with a serial to USB adapter and a keyboard is ideal, so we liked the venue for work purposes.

but I prefer the ipad in terms of what I actually enjoy using

Dan

I must admit, I don't really mind have multiple devices

We have this obsession in IT with trying to make everything to everything (At one point we were going to have Android phones that had a desktop OS behind when docked), but proper tools need to be made with a specific purpose in mind IMHO. The iPad is limited, but I think that's what makes it so good because you know it's perfect at what it does do

RobM

Yeah, I don't mind devices that are flexible but I'd rather carry 2 devices that are each good at half the things I need than one device that is kinda sucky at everything

I think I'd rather have the smaller iphone and an ipad than just have the tablet-sized iphone, for example

Bob

10:22 AM

I don't really have a use for a tablet. Laptop + phone is enough. Though I'm considering the Surface Pro as a lighter/more portable laptop, not as a tablet.

What do you do on a tablet anyway?

Dan

@Bob I don't think anyone needs a tablet, but for the consumer side of IT (I.e., sitting around perusing the web) then they're amazing.

RobM

me? Read lots of books and comics on kindle and ibooks, mostly.

Bob

@Dan Eh. I tend to type a lot while browsing, so a physical keyboard is a must. I've reached 2000 tabs open before (yes, three zeros), though I am a bit of an outlier there.

Reading is done on my phone.

Dan

I use mine primarily when I'm staying away with work - I'll take it to the bar, rather than lug a laptop

Bob

And that's where the more portable laptops help.

Dan

10:24 AM

@Bob Yeah, but the more portable laptops aren't good enough for what I need a real laptop for

Bob

@Dan Hm?

Dan

And my laptop is too large to have on a table while I'm eating

Bob

Is it just the smaller screen (and keyboard)?

Dan

@Bob And less connectivity, CPU, RAM etc etc

Plus,. I like my big screen

Bob

Ah. I forgot about the connectivity.

CPU/RAM... well, it's certainly possible, but rather expensive :(

Dan

10:29 AM

@Bob I don't have an issue with the ultrabook thing or the new laptop/tablet combo - I just question whether I want to compromise at both ends of the scale rather than just buy two good products.

Dennis Nolte

@Bob did you check for the ultrabooks? there are some quite nice ones which are not that heady and pack some power.

Bob

@DennisNolte Still more expensive than non-ultrabook laptops, though.

Actually, last time I checked the Surface Pro wasn't that much more expensive than the equivalent ultrabook (smaller screen size, but otherwise similar specs).

But the $1-2k price tag means I'm still putting off that purchase and lugging around my heavy HP pile of junk for now.

pauska

winbeta.org/news/…

We're evaluating new laptops now

Dell E7240 and E7440 is nice

Dennis Nolte

@Bob i wonder how much ram the browser did use when you had 2k taps open, for most of my machines (even desktop ones) somewhere near 50 there is a major breakdown in switching speed and response time.

ps: have you considered storing your browser including the temp files in memory?

Bob

@DennisNolte Well, it was 32-bit Firefox (really wish they'd release 64-bit), so anything over 3 GB would crash not-so-spectacularly.

I relied a lot on it not loading tabs after a restart (the tabs are there, sitting unloaded, with minimal resource usage).

Finally got tired of it and went on a couple of closing sprees :P

@pauska I do hope it's not the HDD + 1366x768 variant :P

pauska

10:45 AM

@Bob 1920x1080, SSD, 8GB ram..

Dennis Nolte

@pauska so entry level ^^

Dan

Heh, cool, these Wyse Thin Clients can just about offload 2K video, but they're let down by the transfer speed over the wire

RobM

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Q: After I restart server, then dropbox only starts working when I log in

I am using Windows Server 2008 R2 and Dropbox. When I restart Windows Server (using Remote Desktop) then Dropbox fails to start until I actually connect to Remote Desktop again and log in with my user. How can I make Dropbox start without anyone logging in?

windows-server-2008-r2 remote-desktop services dropbox

facepalm

Dan

11:10 AM

Who are these people!

Journeyman Geek

Other than complete security risks? :p

MichelZ

@Dan Todays sysadmins

Dennis Nolte

@MichelZ someone who only handles some virtual machines in a cloud should sometimes not be called a sysadmin..

MichelZ

@DennisNolte very true. But this is where our industry is going... :(

Dennis Nolte

will be good for consulting, not so good for those who actually do sysadmin duties.. other than that , agreed.

most likely we need to focus on showing them how easy it is to break those things..

Journeyman Geek

11:18 AM

heh.

Dennis Nolte

wtf webmin.. does not support virtual postfix users, bah..

Journeyman Geek

@DennisNolte; I half suspect its someone who's probably closer to a developer who assumes he's a sysadmin ;p

MichelZ

@DennisNolte: What you should say is: WTF WEBMIN!

Dennis Nolte

@MichelZ i just actually read about this, and think, wtf plesk, and pay to use? who the hell did buy such crap.

MichelZ

@pauska Got the E7440. Very nice gear!

@Bob 2000 Tabs???? Are you a freaking robot?

pauska

11:23 AM

@MichelZ did you evaluate the 7240? 1920x1080 on a 12"5 sounds a bit small.. although win8/8.1 is good at scaling

MichelZ

@pauska Nope. I need a laptop where I can see something on the screen and do work

Bob

@MichelZ It's become a bit of a running joke over in RA, as @JourneymanGeek can attest to :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob; some day I am getting off my lazy ass and documenting the many memes of SU ;p

MichelZ

@Bob RA?

Journeyman Geek

Root Access

SU's main room

Bob

11:26 AM

I was looking over old screenshots, and found this one

MichelZ

ah

Bob

I believe it broke some kind of comment count record :P

oh here's one

Dennis Nolte

@Bob how the hell do you make a screenshot of all of them?

Bob

@DennisNolte SnagIt scrolling screenshot. Firefox can also save a full-page screenshot (shift+F2, screenshot). And there's browser extensions for both FF and Chrome.

Dennis Nolte

@Bob i see, thank you for that.

MichelZ

11:30 AM

@Bob But why? Searching for a tab takes longs than re-opening it, I imagine?

Bob

@DennisNolte I just... forget... to close them

Dennis Nolte

i bet they are sorted by domain name and URL

Bob

@MichelZ Also, FF tab search is pretty effective. Except it lags with 2k :P

Search from address bar => select 'switch to tab'. Or Ctrl+Shift+E for tab groups.

Journeyman Geek

hm

pauska

@MichelZ You don't primarily use a docking?

Journeyman Geek

11:31 AM

firefox would do that natively too

Bob

Oh here's the other one:

Journeyman Geek

I mean the bigger than single screen screenshot that is

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, the Shift+F2 method is native.

Huh. I just noticed Win7 puts the window title in the top left, and Win8 puts it in the centre...

Journeyman Geek

yup, and you just type in screenshot --fullpage (filename)

MichelZ

@pauska No, I primarly use my Desktop. My Laptop is only for remote work

@Bob amazing. My FF crashes after ~20 tabs

Bob

11:40 AM

o.O

I can have at least 50-70 tabs loaded before lag/crash.

Though over 100 means the earlier tabs got unloaded at some point.

ewwhite

11:55 AM

0

Q: How to find mpx (disk name) for kickstart script

I am trying to install ESXi 4.1 from USB to USB (embedded installation) using kickstart script. This is my script: vmaccepteula rootpw mypassword autopart --disk=??????? --overwritevmfs install usb network --bootproto=dhcp --device=vmnic0 My problem is that I don't know the MPX or VML of my U...

vmware-esxi kickstart

dawud

12:09 PM

4.1 ....

cole

12:25 PM

sup

Nathan C

Humble Bundle knows the way to my wallet...

cole

Average Windows:
$7.45
Average Mac:
$8.93
Average Linux:
$10.06

Interesting. (From Humble Bundle)

faker

12:42 PM

hmpf I already have papers please and prison architect

cole

How's papers please?

I have Prison Architect already too

pauska

prison architect is great

also try factorio

cole

@pauska oh, hm - I may like that a lot too.

pauska

@cole If you can imagine yourself sitting 10 hours straight in front of OpenTTD then factorio is a golden match..

cole

@pauska yeah I'll def try it out, thanks!

Nathan C

12:49 PM

@pauska Was factorio in one of the bundles? I don't have it in my library, ha

it looks kinda cool though

jscott

Anyone here work at Google? I've got a Google Apps feature request that our users continually bug me about.

pauska

@NathanC nope, not on steam

Nathan C

Ah...

faker

@cole it's, well... Strange! I liked it

kind of depressing though

Nathan C

I have so many games to redeem on steam...

I end up buying the bundle, then forgetting about it after playing a couple of them, lol

tombull89

12:52 PM

I bought Spec Ops: The Line and Sleeping Dogs cheap recently, currently playing through the former. It's a bit much in parts.

Bob

@NathanC I haven't redeemed any of the last... TotalBundles - 3 bundles.

they're just sitting there

incidentally, if yu use the Android app, don't update out of beta

the new non-beta version is buggy as hell, and a battery and data drain

Nathan C

yeah...I don't buy the android ones

I have 99 games on Steam...excluding all the keys I need to redeem from the bundles, lol

cole

Quesiton

Say you add a computer to the domain + rename at the same time.

When it adds the machine, I'm assuming it adds with the original name then does a rename on the machine object?

Nathan C

Hm, that's a good question. I don't know the order even though I do it that way all the time

Basil

1:12 PM

morning

cole

sup @Basil

@NathanC I'm assuming that's how it works. I also rename > reboot > add to domain > reboot.

Nathan C

@cole I've done renames and domain joins at the same time

cole

@NathanC So this person was receiving access denied when adding a computer to the domain (they had delegated permissions)

they were trying to do a rename and join at the same time.

I changed the ActiveComputerName\ComputerName and ComputerName registry keys to the new name and it joined fine.

There were a computer with the original name in another OU which this person doesn't have access to.

Nathan C

Huh...interesting.

cole

Yeah so that tells me it tries to add as the original name then does a rename on the object.

Especially after reading through this: chentiangemalc.wordpress.com/2012/07/27/…

Nathan C

1:27 PM

@cole TIL! Also, network monitor may come in handy at some point

cole

@NathanC aye aye!

I've started to become more interested in the internals of how Windows works recently.

cole

1:45 PM

oh man: spiegel.de/video/…

faker

@cole like many said, if your password for the horizon system is hor1z0n -- maybe the NSA isn't your only problem

cole

@faker that is true

ThoriumBR

2:20 PM

Almost bought a Logitec wireless keyboard from Amazon. It costs $20, but I would pay $40 in taxes and import fees because I live in the 3rd world...

cole

2:33 PM

Ouch

MichelZ

wireless shit

real men use wires

ThoriumBR

@MichelZ Yes, I use wires, but it's for my wife. we have a notebook-turned-htpc plugged in our TV, and she needs to use the keyb/mouse.

MichelZ

@ThoriumBR get a roku

cole

I use wireless at work, wired at home.

ThoriumBR

A roku does not work that good on my 3d world, underdeveloped and heavily tax-burdened country...

MichelZ

2:45 PM

it does work very well

it just costs more

where do you live?

ThoriumBR

@MichelZ I live in Brazil

Wesley

@ThoriumBR Brazil isn't that bad, is it? :(

ThoriumBR

there's a cubietruck in the mail, i will put xbmc on it, and install torrenting, backup, openvpn and some other goodies on it.

@Wesley yes, Brazil is that bad. an iphone here costs almost 4 month's wages, tied with a contract

cole

Yikes.

MichelZ

ugh

ThoriumBR

2:47 PM

if I buy something on amazon, it takes at least 3 weeks to come here. and the customs will cost you 60% of the product plus shipping. and a week more...

MichelZ

that's a lot

Wesley

@ThoriumBR What part of Brazil are you in? I always thought of most of Brazil as not much different from a developed European country.

ThoriumBR

when sony launched ps4, it was cheaper to take a flight to miami, stay a day on a hotel, buy 2 ps4 and go back than to buy ONE ps4 here...

MichelZ

what does your government do with all the money?

spend it on samba chicks?

ThoriumBR

and I used to pay about 50 USD for 1mbps internet...

1mbps down, less than 100kbps up...

Wesley

2:49 PM

@ThoriumBR ^ PHRASING, DUDE

ThoriumBR

yes, that's me

Wesley

@ThoriumBR that's sad, man. Are you in a major city?

ThoriumBR

that phase is online since I bought the domain, and it was late night, and I never changed...

Now I live in Brasilia, so I pay the same 50 usd for 20mbps

Wesley

Wow

Brasilia? The capital city of the whole freakin' nation? And it's that bad for internet infrastructure?!

ThoriumBR

and we have one of the most expensive cellphone rates of the world

Wesley

2:53 PM

D:

ThoriumBR

it's not brasilia, it's the lack of competition

sao paulo have fiber to the home, brasilia not yet. everything here is heavily regulated, overtaxed and overpriced.

we pay average 45% in taxes

we have the 2nd most expensive government in the world

the Brazil petrochemical company, petrobras, just bought a broken ancient refinery in pasadena for more than one billion dollars, and it was valuated in one percent of it.

Wesley

@ThoriumBR wuuuuuut

MichelZ

so you're a) inefficient bastards, b) corrupt as hell c) xxxx?

Wesley

@ThoriumBR Wow, what happens to all of that money?

ThoriumBR

there are lots and lots of reports of corruption, and this year was the first time someone big from government got nailed

but gov changed the judges and began forgiving those caught...

the public service is the most inneficient service here, as nobody can be fired

MichelZ

2:57 PM