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12:08 AM
I'd be more impressed if it was written in javascript
Oh shit
 
Bob
you had to say it -_-
:17672934 I missed those messages, if you intended for them to be seen :P
(Best part is... we might be running said Java-based server soon-ish, if I can't find a good reason against it. Yes, this is a plea for help...)
 
What's wrong with a nice simple reliable Postfix?
 
Bob
@MichaelHampton Windows.
 
@Bob Nah I mashed thekeyboard
Its monday and I cant type goodly
 
Bob
The obvious choice would be Exchange, but it's a requirement to perform custom mail processing... which Exchange doesn't seem to do well.
 
12:13 AM
@Bob Mail transport rules can be reasonably complex. How custom does it need to be?
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson Insertion into a Progress database.
 
@Bob what is your goal?
 
Bob
Likely through an ungodly JMS API.
So, basically, execute some external command.
 
@Bob Then do an Exchange Web Services command
 
Bob
Far as I can tell, Exchange can only do that with an event handler attached with .NET via EWS...
 
12:14 AM
I've written a few little snippets that do that
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson Yea, I'm gonna suggest that first, if I can convince them to use .NET :P
 
Bob
Eh, as soon as Progress comes into it... all bets are off.
 
@Bob EWS is apparently SOAP
But I couldn't make head or tail of it, but in theory you can connect to it from anything
 
Bob
Huh. That's news to me.
 
Bob
Oh, I was looking at the EWS Managed API
Whoops.
 
The Managed API is vastly easier to use
I tried to get it working via SOAP but just couldn't get there so I jumped ship to the managed API. Much easier.
But if you can't dot net then EWS should be standalone
 
Bob
Thanks. I'll add that to the list.
Might as well throw in the Node.js one for laughs at this point...
 
If i was a decent dev I probably could have got SOAP working, but alas I am a jack of all trades and a master of none
 
Bob
Knowing my luck... that'll be the choice.
 
1:06 AM
@Iain @freiheit I clumb!!!
 
1:26 AM
posted on September 15, 2014 by Matt Simmons

One of the annoying parts of making sure that you can successfully migrate virtual resources across a vSphere datacenter is ensuring that networks and datastores are not only available everywhere, but also named identically. I inherited a system that was pretty much manually administered, without scripts. I've built a small powershell script to make sure […]

 
@StackExchange Meh, it's in the documentation...
 
Who reads documentation anymore?
 
The internet is my documentation
 
1:50 AM
eh, bit of wisdom needed serverfault.com/q/244867/33193 -> I was under the impression selinux primarily handled filesystem permissions, not ports
 
@JourneymanGeek SELinux doesn't manage the firewall, but it does manage which ports applications are allowed to listen or connect to.
 
Geez. My full backup finished six minutes before the first incremental was scheduled. I need to do something about that...
@JourneymanGeek For instance, web servers can only listen on ports which have the type of http_port_t, which is defined as
http_port_t                    tcp      80, 81, 443, 488, 8008, 8009, 8443, 9000
 
ahh
That explains it.
 
 
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Bob
3:38 AM
Ugh. Optus can go fuck off. Vodafone can't be that much worse.
 
@Bob yes tey can
Have you already forgotten the massive network failures
The terrible support issues
The horrific reception
The mass exodus of customers
 
Bob
Then what does it take to get decent reception in the cbd?
Telstra and $100/month?
 
@Bob Oh lol nah you're fucked
When I was in North Sydney there was a blackspot right outside our building, with all carriers
 
Bob
4:13 AM
@MarkHenderson Oh, I can get a nice strong signal. It's just that the data connection is shoddy as all hell.
 
@Bob That'll most likely be your SnR
In which case, changing carriers might help
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson Wouldn't a low SNR be indistinguishable from a weak signal?
 
4:37 AM
@Bob Depends on how your phone displays it. iPhones (all phones perhaps? Not really sure. My guess is Android does it too) show the signal strength in the bars only, and the SNR is not shown, or hidden
On iPhones there is a code you can punch in that makes the bars also display your SNR when you tap on it
 
Bob
Eh.
Ec/Io of -10, RSCP of -80. Not too bad.
I'll have to try again when I go outside. It's decent inside the building, thankfully.
 
 
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5:54 AM
Well my Technet account is into its final extension
We renewed 1 day before they announced its retirement so we got a full extra year more than most people out of it
But all good things must come to and end I guess
 
morning
 
Morning
 
Bob
@MarkHenderson :(
 
No joke, I just heard my boss say "Oh that would be really swell if you could do that!"
What is this, 1955?
 
He's been watching that series, Mad Men or whatever it's called?
 
Bob
6:02 AM
=> i.stack.imgur.com/NSMXQ.jpg => "It'll make you so frustrated you'll want to punch your monitor!"
 
the one that's set in the 60's
 
@JennyD haha possibly
 
6:20 AM
hi
 
@Williams hola senior
 
good morning pimps
 
@MichelZ and pimpettes
 
anyone here tried openshift ?
 
@RyJones right! forgot about @Wesley
 
6:26 AM
@MichelZ Easy to do
 
I'm neither pimp nor pimpette. I'm a conslutant.
8
 
good morning consultants
 
Goodnight!
Hopefully nobody consults me until I want to wake up.
What's this?! All my meetings tomorrow are cancelled?! I didn't think I actually managed to drink until I died and went to heaven...
 
@MichelZ So close, yet so far away...
 
@JennyD good morning everyone?
 
6:40 AM
@MichelZ Morning :-)
 
hey, can I sue the couple fighting outside my bedroom window for each other's divorce?
 
@FalconMomot probably not. But you can go ask them if you can be their lawyer?
 
@FalconMomot you might get a restraining order for the both of them?
 
@JennyD I only have one pair of handcuffs
 
@FalconMomot You need to stock up. Also ballgags.
 
6:41 AM
@JennyD there might be two of those lying around somewhere.
 
@FalconMomot take both, cuff them both together somewhere away from your home
 
I've been told that velcro-taping hands behind the back of someone is quite effective when you don't have handcuffs.
("been told" == "read a book where it was used")
 
I'll tell you right now that works poorly
however, bondage tape and pallet wrap are basically the same thing.
 
Duly noted
 
Bob
...thank god for HTTPS chat
 
7:01 AM
morning
 
@Bob anything to hide?
 
Bob
@MichelZ 90% of what goes on in this room
 
7:16 AM
:)
 
Today feels like the kind of day where I'm going to need a roll of carpet, some quicklime and a shovel to deal with people, but I've hardly spoken to anyone at work yet.
also, good morning to you all
 
@Bob ooh, we have https chat now. Fancy!
 
oh nice, changing bookmark :)
 
a "force https" setting would be cool :D
 
updating the site links to point to the https link wouldn't hurt either.
 
7:35 AM
@MichelZ ISAGN
 
@JennyD ISAGN?
 
@MichelZ I See A Great Need
 
browser plugin?
ah
 
In better news, I found out that the city here gives 5 hours free parking per day for environmentally friendly cars - mine matches that... so I'd only have to pay for at most 3 hours per day. That will be very nice indeed!
 
yay
 
7:39 AM
also, seems I'll be getting a new gig sometime in October, which I'm very much looking forward to... going from boring "sysadminning linux boxen" to "setting up a CA system for PKI at site with high security requirements".
 
@MichelZ there is HTTPS Everywhere. They have a exception for this chat, but I'm sure you could submit a pull request
 
@faker where is that setting?
 
thx
 
8:29 AM
Normally I don't like sales calls, but from Dell I don't mind as they've got Irish call centers.
 
Dan
Morning all
I feel like shit today
 
I was not looking forward to today.
It's going OK so far, but I'm only an hour in.
 
8:46 AM
@Dan I'm far from 100% today too
 
Dan
@Chopper3 :( Let's feel sorry for ourselves together
 
@Dan Yes, let's :)
 
Dan
Mind you, my NetScalers have been delayed/lost again so at least I don't have to go to the DC today
 
lost?
 
Dan
@MichelZ For reasons known only to themselves the DC refused delivery last week, despite having it scheduled in. Then, they were RTB'd and were headed back to fucking Hungary
The plan was for them to be delivered today, but the PM couldn't get them to sort it
 
8:54 AM
nice :)
 
Dan
I didn't want to do them anyway, so perhaps it's fate :D
 
g'day
 
Dan
Some PM has just played the "Copy everyone in to the e-mail" game when trying to chase me. Unfortunately for her, it seems she missed my e-mail last week where I did respond - never has Reply All felt so good
 
@Dan Mail logs FTW :-)
 
@Dan More than once have I been tempted to set up a few accounts like "The Headteachers Dog" and "The School Cat" to copy in if someone is doing an "EMAIL ALL THE PEOPLE" thing.
 
Dan
9:09 AM
@tombull89 That would be simply wonderful
Thanks to my cancelled DC work, I'm now sat in a super conservative financial district office in jeans and t-shirt
 
9:27 AM
morning
I love technology
I'm sitting in a cafe with no power and no wifi (still the majority here in canuckistan), using a mobile hotspot to talk to you guys
 
morning
 
So I have a DR test this morning- first one at our brand new site!
We got the business to slip a datacenter into a new building they were making
so unless we fuck up so bad today that we can't fix it by the audited test next month, we'll be rid of fucking sungard
 
@Basil we've started doing that chaos monkey stuff where we just switch stuff off all the bloody time, finds some faults to fix certainly but I kind of miss DR switchovers that were planned - that said we're 95% active-active these days so it's all kind of moot
 
9:44 AM
@Chopper3 I think that's where we're going
we just switched from renting a mainframe for tests (and a real DR) to a permanent installation of an owned machine at our DR site
that was no small chunk of change either
@Chopper3 What about your dev environments? Do you duplicate them?
 
@Basil we don't DR those at all, well not properly as such, we use vmware SRM but it's a 'good enough' DR setup rather than one you'd use for production
 
10:00 AM
@Chopper3 I think that would be one of our issues- if we really want to go active active, we'd need to allow for continued access to dev environments while we're active on the other site.
 
@Chopper3 SRM isn't good enough for production? :o
 
See you guys tomorrow :)
 
@pauska well it's great for 95% of people sure, the issue is that in the event of a DR situation all those replicated VMs need to be spun up - that can take minutes - some systems can't afford that outage
 
bye mate
@Chopper3 what's the alternative? fault tolerance?
 
@pauska no, it's architecting things to be active-active with enough capacity to handle all traffic with a site down - it's a massive faff but it's do'able
 
10:12 AM
@Chopper3 I see
 
@pauska or if you can handle the reboot time then you're great with SRM
 
I'm toying with an idea for a greenfield deploymennt with Atlantis ILIO (the VDI stuff) but for server images
 
@pauska to be honest I reckon we could easily manage with even an hour's outage in the event of losing a whole DC but it's not what 'the business' believe or are happy to pay for
 
10:27 AM
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Q: Would you such as this toilet?

Justin FerrorIm re-doing my toilet.I believe its great and have found this but Im worried it may be unattractive the platinum variety will be used by.I within the relaxation and also the bath tiles that are bright.Do you?

kill!
but somehow funny that he tagged it 'ubuntu'
 
@faker could a mod destroy this account please
 
Yes I would such this toilet. I would such this toilet very much.
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@Chopper3 ACK
 
I hope no-one is paying him to spam the site. Semi-decent spammers tend to actually put links in.
yaaaaaaaay! spending money!
on toners :(
This is gonna get expensive...
dat name
 
 
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12:18 PM
aww, no oneboxing of deleted comments :(
> Hi Justin, welcome to the site, hope you like it - just a thought though, I hope you die soon, see-ya! – Chopper3 1 hour ago
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@DennisKaarsemaker seems to be awfully hostile :D
 
@MichelZ cheerfully hostile :)
 
Dan
12:34 PM
@MichelZ Chopper was an A10 gunship in another life
2
 
As Chopperisms go, that's fairly minor.
gah, keep getting my postcodes mixed up between work/home/parents' house
 
heh
my dad used to work for canon.
 
@Dan DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM(ed)
 
yeah, cause so many corporations put printers on public networks without a firewall
every printer manufacturer out there either has a default username/password or blanks.. both are equally secure
 
12:47 PM
Mar 2 '12 at 21:49, by tombull89
No way would anyone make their printers directly accessible via the internet. Oh, no no..wait, what?!
 
Dan
I can't fathom out how people end up with these devices web facing, what with NAT and all. I mean, are people deliberately port forwarding to it?
 
@tombull89 face->palm()
@Dan many things in .edu have public IP addresses for everything
 
Dan
@DennisKaarsemaker Can't wait for IPv6
 
@Dan it'll never happen...
these printers probably don't even do ipv6 :)
 
Bob
@DennisKaarsemaker I'm saving this message.
 
12:49 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker Instructions unclear, segfault
 
@Bob to throw it in my face when the last ipv4 hosts have been switched off? :)
 
Bob
Hm. How do you bookmark in chat again?
 
@Bob Hover over text, click the little arrow by name -> permalink
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Q: How to access computer content using mac address?

Sachin SetiyaI am making a project in which any one can have video on her pc and access it from anywhere also he can give access to another user so they can watch videos . But the problem is that how to uniquely identify computer on this kind of system .I cant use ip address because it changes after some time...

 
Bob
@NathanC I meant in-chat bookmarks :) chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/127/conversation/…
 
gets out flamethrower
@Bob Ah...
 
12:52 PM
@Bob how did you do that?
 
Bob
@DennisKaarsemaker Click the room dropdown under the room description.
Huh, the 6th 8th (ican'tcount) ever bookmark in here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/127/…
 

How to add bookmarks

2 mins ago, 1 minute total – 5 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 6 secs ago by Dennis Kaarsemaker

ooh, they even onebox
 
nice .D
 

Starpocalypse of December 2013

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Bookmarked Dec 5 '13 at 9:02 by tombull89

man, I remember that.
 
1:08 PM
Heh, I don't think I was around that day...
Aw, both the twitter accounts for the star wall are inactive
 
Maine was beautiful this weekend.
 
@Dan I have clients that have tried to port-forward printers.
just not worth it.
 
@cole Definitely. Sadly it was cloudy so I didn't see the northern lights :(
 
1:24 PM
@NathanC I know :(
we were sad
 
@tombull89 @Wesley was involved. Must have been painful
 
Nothing is left to chance. Seating charts are meticulously studied, rehearsals are endless and strategic leaks are used to temper expectations. Detailed briefing books are distributed to the public relations team and then sometimes shredded.
 
1:41 PM
I'm not interested in being a cult member, thank you very much.
 
“Apple sells miniature jetpacks, little pieces of the future that you can hold in your hand,” Ms. Wortham said. “I was told there would be clones, driverless cars, underwater hotels, and sex-robots in the future, and I want it all, but the closest I can get is this really slick phone. That’s what Apple offers, in a very tangible way.”
 
@ewwhite will you be upgrading to a 6?
 
oh, Mojang/Minecraft is now owned by MS
 
@faker whoa really?
 
1:44 PM
huh, wow.
 
@cole I don't actually know what the iPhone 6 actually does.
 
yeah, just read the news. $2.5 billion dollars.
 
Anyway, my price is two billion dollars. Give me two billion dollars, and I'll endorse your crap.
this tweet was never more relevant :D
 
back in 2012? I thought that was a recent tweet
 
nah, I think he was ranting about SEO spam mails he got
completely out of context for this MS takeover -- but just fits perfectly now
 
1:48 PM
O_o
I mean well done Notch for all that money and all but I don't get why Microsoft would buy a hollow shell, which is what Mojang is if the key devs leave, in order to support a low-cost cross platform game.
 
oh, notch announced 20m ago already that he is leaving Mojang
 
@faker really?
 
@cole yup, but his site can't handle the traffic, his announcement is down
 
@RobM All 3 of the founders are leaving
 
1:53 PM
when they say billion, is that us billion or uk billion?
 
@tombull89 US
 
(it's still a fuckton of money, either way)
 
Money, money, money...
do you all want to be rich?
 
oh eww....
 
Bob
1:58 PM
@ewwhite well, I certainly wouldn't object
 
How much money would make you happy?
 
@NathanC yep that's what I thought. They've pulled off a great train robbery on Microsoft and escaped with the loot.
I could certainly put that money to good use though. Hell, I'm not greedy, I'd settle for the .5 Billion.
 
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I like how I have exceptions in Cobian to exclude this shit, but it still bails
 
I don't get it... $2.5b. Even with merchandise and spin offs, they'll never make it back
 
indeed
 
2:11 PM
@ewwhite Depends on the time scale. Finding a $1 bill makes me happy for 30 seconds. Winning a $10MM lottery would make me happy for life, give or take.
 
@faker Windows 9...now with Minecraft prepackaged!
 
Either they're about to do something awesome... well at least try to do something they think is awesome... or they've really lost the plot.
 
@ChrisS You invest, and you have ties to finance... are you comfortable?
 
(subject to purchase of Minecraft Premium @ $10/month, plus your first born child)
 
Nice balance of work/home/kids... professional satisfaction... retirement planning?
 
2:12 PM
GDP of Maldives was worth 2.6 billion US dollars in 2012...
 
@ewwhite Comfortable? I'm confident that I'm making good financial decisions with the money I have....
 
Bob
wait, MS is going to be maintaining a Java game? Heh.
 
well, first those guys will get MS managers. Then there will be integration and migration projects. And then the product is more or less dead because no features were added in the last year
 
WTF does MS want with Minecraft?!
 
@ChrisS Merchandising.
 
2:15 PM
(worked in 2 devisions in MS that had this fate...)
 
Have they played the pocket version of Minecraft? It sucks hard compared to the desktop version... Like, not sure if you're playing the same game.
 
bloody good question. The borg have totally lost the plot here. They've paid a lot of money for what will be a hollow shell of a company once the founders leave.
 
@faker Well, the modding community is huge for Minecraft, so they won't let it die
 
@NathanC it's never the plan to do this!
 
That is, until M$ shoves DRM in our faces and prevents modding
 
2:17 PM
@NathanC The license doesn't allow for most of the major mods, like Bukkit. Mojang has just been super nice about it, mostly because it drives game sales.
 
but oh, you need to move your data center first. And look, this can run on IIS. And wait, don't use $DB, take this MSSQL server!
 
But MS isn't afraid to sue anyone and everyone... That'll be the end of modding. Probably the death of the game completely.
 
So how long before it's all minecraft.net with the creepers running around with surface 3s
 
@ChrisS The license is incompatible with what they say, though. I mean, they've even exposed an API specifically for modding.
It's not like they disassembled the jars or anything
 
I can understand Microsoft buying Mojang. But for that much?!
 
2:21 PM
@NathanC The modding API, as it currently works, doesn't change major aspects of the game. It mostly just does graphics, skins. Very, very little else. "Mods" like Bukkit are a decompiled, modded, recompiled version of the game that clearly violates the license. Mojang is reportedly working on an extensive API to make this all legal, but that isn't the state of things now. More details about the "workbench" api minecraft.gamepedia.com/Plugin_API
 
Maybe that's how MS is going to make the money back, by suing the mod devs and users.
 
I fucking hate tapes and Backup Exec
 
@ChrisS wasn't bukkit bought by Mojang anyway?
 
I like tapes. Never has so few problems as data stored on tapes.
I hate Backup Exec - I've used it, therefor I hate it.
@faker Yes.... It's certainly weird. I think that was 2011 or 2012..
 
It sucks,
 
2:26 PM
damn, I wonder how long these 400GB of MySQL relay logs will take to get applied
 
@MichaelHampton What's the answer to this?
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Q: RHEL/CentOS - Is it possible to update packages only up to a certain release date?

Yanick GirouardTechnically speaking, if one wanted to update a RHEL or CentOS server using yum, but only up to a certain release date (i.e. don't install any updates released after X date), would it be possible and if so, how? So far, the only way I can think of is to use a dedicated satellite server or a loca...

 
I wonder what statement they're making ?
 
Bob
@Iain "Look at us! Look at us!"
 
@Iain I just saw that... it's on all of the "click bait" sites now
 
Bob
Made its rounds on Reddit... was it yesterday?
Huh, two days already.
 
2:39 PM
It was on my cycling group a couple of days ago
 
Ugh clickbait. The new spam.
 
Bob
@HopelessN00b "new"
 
Well, relative to email spam, it's new.
 
when data is the new currency, clickbait is all you need , no need to sell you anything anymore.
 
Dan
@Iain Accidentally caught the tour of England yesterday in London - fantastic spectacle to see
 
2:49 PM
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Q: Can I take a mirrored raid drive and use it in another machine

JonnoI have about a dozen low end servers of varying makes and models and most have mirrored raid. I'm a bit confused about whether after a disaster (that hasn't harmed the drives) can I can take a drive from a mirrored set and stick it in another machine and use it as normal or do I need another comp...

 
I'm bloody tired and hungry...have to do my shop after work which is dangerous to do when hungry
 
Dan
@tombull89 Online shopping FTW
 
@ewwhite Do we have an answered one of those already? It's half VTC: minimal-understanding and half good question.
 
@ewwhite - ready to hear about my backwoods free approach to terminal server internet filtering?
The users are locked down to only using IE on the tserver, so I set a per user GPO on that server that sets a proxy server to 127.0.0.1 and bypasses the proxy for the 5 websites they are allowed to go to. Simple, free, works. They don't have access to the menu options, etc. in IE, nor cmd prompt, explorer, taskmgr, etc. so they'd have to be pretty creative to work around it somehow...
 
Bob
> Unfortunately, hibernate doesn't work in many cases with Ubuntu, which can cause you to lose data if you expect your documents and applications to re-open when you switch your computer back on. Therefore, hibernate is disabled by default in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
...hibernate doesn't work?
what is this broken BS
 
2:56 PM
@TheCleaner Clever.
 
Bob
oh wait, ubuntu
 
@Bob Hibernate is a clunky function at best...even Windows doesn't do it right half the time
 
Bob
@NathanC eh, I haven't experienced issues in years
 
@TheCleaner portable firefox?
 
Bob
@tombull89 AppLocker?
 
2:57 PM
ah feck I'm getting confused between two new members of staff, Jess and Josie. This is not going to end well one day.
 
@tombull89 On a terminal server?
 
@TheCleaner Windows key + R doesn't work for them, either? :P
 
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