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1:05 AM
Nyan
 
@Asada Shino, sorry but the word "Nyan" is not valid! (・`ェ´・)つ
 
shiritori is running?
red
 
@Shinobu Oshino, I said "mudflat" Senpai, you should start with "t"... (・`ェ´・)つ
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "painlessness", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
1:09 AM
@Ruri 静かにして
Hehe :3 I'm going to bed ^^
 
!translate 静かにして
 
@ShinobuOshino Be quiet
 
Gnight :3
 
@Shinobu Oshino, I said "painlessness" Senpai, you should start with "s"... (・`ェ´・)つ
 
1:10 AM
Oyasuminasai <3
 
@Asada Shino, sorry but the word "Oyasuminasai" is not valid! (・`ェ´・)つ
 
urusai!
 
lol, ignore her already >_<
 
Mou! T__T
 
stupid
 
1:11 AM
Etou… d… d... "deafen"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
night
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "tectonic" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
clinical
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "lavage" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
 
5 hours later…
6:02 AM
Shinobu Oshino, nya~ nya~ nya~ nya~ ヾ(*ΦωΦ)ノ
 
 
2 hours later…
8:09 AM
Shinobu Oshino, nya~ nya~ nya~ nya~ ヾ(*ΦωΦ)ノ
Prix, Okaerinasaimase, goshujin-sama!
 
yay images working again :)
@nhahtdh about 40k words
 
@Prix y? something broke?
 
8:26 AM
yeah, a few days ago Marc made a chat feature for us using imgur
but that broke up uploads so he had to revert it so I made a different suggestion and he just implemented it back in
if u see the image above its the miniature but if u click it, it will lead you to the full size
 
Marc? who's dat?
 
@user1306322 I've pushed the idea of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/232072/… to him let's see if we get any good response
 
8:46 AM
guess they are still working on the SE upload feature
 
9:12 AM
heya; what broke?
@Prix btw; I've added an answer on that onebox question
 
lets see
it comes out as 404 when I upload
 
k, I see the problem
 
it looks like the image address lost a letter on the regex
and thanks for taking the time to put out an answer on that other question
 
yeah, it is trying to auto-strip the image suffix
I guess I only do that if the id is > 5 chars
will re-deploy
 
k thanks a lot
the other way around seems to be working just fine as in posting an already uploaded image from imgur it does the linking as expected
 
9:16 AM
@Prix for reference; that url is "urlRh"; "h" is the thumbnail suffix for "huge"; hence the confusion
 
I see
 
dev built successfully; prod will be about 2m14s
 
OK I will give it a shot again in a few and hit you up if anything wrong happens
 
your thoughts on the onebox? I see you asked an API question there yourself - no responses yet
 
I updated it with their API for MAL but honestly their API is very weak
anidb.net have a better API for the goal but honestly I am not much found to anidb.net
would cover all the needs you mentioned
 
9:21 AM
yup; the very first method
 
as for fair use AFAIK anidb is in fact open to that
they also go as far as mentioning that if any of the API features do not meet you're requirement
 
I hate to sound critical, but for MAL: "get me the details from an id" should be the very first method you write ;p
 
that you can talk over with them and they would implement something
@MarcGravell yeah MAL unhappily doesn't care about their API, I tried to talk over with them but no response so far
 
adding anidb support would probably be easy
 
I might go into their IRC channel and see if I can get a hold of their owner
@MarcGravell and what are the chances of it actually getting implemented?
 
9:23 AM
they might care more if you point out that the alternative is that people link to anidb instead...
 
I mean I know you guys have other priorities and stuff
 
@Prix pretty good; it is the sort of thing we enjoy doing
but there's no way I'm going to scrape the MAL html - it is ... ugly
 
Then give me a few days I will try to talk over with MAL and see if they can implement things around
 
can I leave that with you, then? probably better for one person to act as contact
 
Sure, I will try to get in touch with Xinil I do frequent the IRC network he is around
if all fails we can just use anidb, from what I have seen on MAL they don't really invest much on the API
but perhaps telling them it would be linked on SE network might get them pumped to push some updates ;)
 
9:27 AM
I saw some comments in the forum suggesting that the API didn't always return well-formed xml...
which does not bode well
 
yeah it does some time return some html but seems to be mainly if the request was previously malformed
or at least from what I have previously tested it
 
imgur links should be fixed now; sorry 'bout that
^^^ your image? with preview thumbnail and full-size link
 
not a problem at all very appreciated for taking the time to work that out
let me put a new one just to make sure its all good
yep working fine ;)
so imgur pushed something to give you information about when the thumbnail is ready?
 
that one would have worked either way
the important thing is the last character; that one ends f; s,b,t,m,l and h are special
which is why it made it past my quick local test
 
I see, but it was already working without using the SE upload button just not using the upload button
 
9:32 AM
@Prix nah, they just fixed a race bug if you request the thumbnail too soon; basically, our immediate thumbnail display was causing it to try creating the file twice at the same time: bad things
@Prix again, it depends on the last character
 
I see, they fixed it very promptly /impressed
 
@Prix the reason it works "without using the SE upload button" is that you have removed the race condition
because it takes you a few moments to get the URL, copy it, paste it, etc
@Prix indeed; I expressed my thanks to them already for that - they did a good job
 
@MarcGravell I see, what you meant now
@MarcGravell I've poked around on the MAL subject, and I can see why the API is on hold, the website was sold long ago even tough Xinil still hold administrative rights to some extent he can't do these changes. So we would need to contact CraveOnline, I will see what I can do in that regards
or rather Evolve Media evolvemediallc.com/contact
 
yeah, nothing says "not going to happen" quite like 3 layers of indirection
 
would you still want me to pursue it or would you prefer having SE staff contacting them?
 
9:46 AM
sheesh; none of their contact "subject"s are remotely technical; all sales
 
there is a Corporate development on the contact form but I assume completely unrelated
@MarcGravell in case we come down to anidb you already have everything you need on their API right?
would you need anything additional from their side
@MarcGravell I guess the best place to get this going would be at support@craveonline.com as it seems to be the division responsible for MAL
I will give it a shot at least to see if they can provide me with any information in regards of who I should be talking to and hit you back
 
@Marc Gravell, baka, can't you count? "k" is less than 3 characters!\(>o<)ノ
 
just working on getting an anidb client setup...
 
cool
 
10:01 AM
@Prix, "lavage"! The last word is "lavage"! You should start with "e or g"! ヾ( ・゜ロ゜・)ノ゙
 
!shiritori stop
 
@Prix, shiritori has been disabled!
 
@Ruri ???
 
she is our little gaming bot
 
fair enough ;p
 
10:02 AM
seems to be a success among some of our members ;)
she also does interesting things like
!define car
 
hey there @Ruri... one bot to another... how u doin'?
2
 
@Prix car (dated) A wheeled vehicle, drawn by a horse or other animal.
@StackExchange pretty well, how about yourself?
 
:)
@MarcGravell well I've pushed the email to crave online and hopefully they will be able to point us with a contact for this to happen which at this point I will hand it to you as I feel it would be better to have a official contact from SE taking over, if that is OK to you. But if I may be of help during the process I would have no problem assisting with anything needed.
@MarcGravell would you mind commenting on this other feature request? we would love to hear anything about this as well if at all possible. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/232072/…
 
all I'm getting from anidb so far is <error>Client Values Missing or Invalid</error>
I'm guessing it hasn't updated yet to picky up a new client
 
have you subscribed on their 2 links?
 
10:11 AM
yup
 
mmm let me give it a shot
 
it seems you're there
yeah
honestly I haven't tried their API but let me try to see if their contact are online maybe they can clear that up for us
 
I've got it now
 
alright great, what was missing confirmation?
 
10:15 AM
I hadn't registered a version
 
I see
@MarcGravell is there a way to have SE bot accept a few commands on the chat?
Like if I wanted it to link a wiki or amazon response I could use throw in a search query and it would use the api to give me back a few formatted results?
Similar to what Ruri does
!wiki car
 
An automobile, autocar, motor car or car is a wheeled motor vehicle used for transporting passengers, which also carries its own engine or motor. Most definitions of the term specify that automobiles are designed to run primarily on roads, to have seating for one to eight people, to typically have four wheels, and to be constructed principally for the transport of people rather than goods. The year 1886 is regarded the year of birth of the modern automobile—with the Benz Patent-Motorwagen, by German inventor Karl Benz. Motorized wagons soon replaced animal-drafted carriages, especially afte...
 
there are a few things that are simple yet feels so useful aside from the great feature from SE that already pulls the data from a specific link to specific sources like wiki or youtube
 
@Prix yes: someone codes it ;p Since we already have wikipedia support, that isn't a huge job
there are some inbuilt things that are on restricted availability
 
10:30 AM
not only wiki but everything else too
right now Ruri is to be honest a SE support
 
for example, in internal / moderator rooms, I can type:
translate: ソウルイーター
 
for instance i could query yt or wiki or wiktionary
 
and it will
 
damn that should be available to us /jealous
!translate ソウルイーター
 
@Prix SOUL EATER
 
10:32 AM
@Prix if there is a genuine use case for such things, maybe; it isn't something I want to start adding arbitrarily
 
but there is urban dictionary, wiki, youtube, anidb which would be awesome having a search at
well here on A&M network
wiki, define, translate and youtube are widely used
 
and with the exception of UD, all of those are supported via urls
 
like we can search for OP songs of anime we like
UD?
urban dictionary?
@MarcGravell and those are such useful things, I honestly can't see why its not available to users perhaps because of abuse?
I could see the translate feature not being given to us as there is a cost if you're actually using the API
but all the rest is pretty much free
 
@Prix translate problem is an API fee
 
yes if you use the API :) that is completely understandable
 
10:35 AM
yes, what I'm saying is: if there's a genuine use-case, I can probably "get with" some helper commands
 
but I believe the youtube API, wiki, urban dictionary, wiktionary, wouldn't be of a problem
wiki for instance is a command that could be easily use in all of the SE networks if it was available to users
we use it a lot here and on the other channel
youtube not as often but also use it
 
see, this is the problem with users; you show willingness to implement one minor feature, and already they're requesting 3 more!
;p
 
shameless plug
have no words of my own to answer so I will use yours
1 hour ago, by Marc Gravell
@Prix pretty good; it is the sort of thing we enjoy doing
@MarcGravell was there a reason it was never pushed to public since you guys already have all those there?
 
why what was never pushed to public?
 
I mean you mentioned you have a translation command privately available to you, so I assume you also had one for wiki or any other API you had implemented?
 
10:43 AM
nope; all I mean there is that we have the "do something" code, if we chose to add a !wiki {something} handler
we don't have that bit currently
 
oh I tough you had it there already
 
we do have some; but not for any of those - they are link only
 
yeah that is what Ruri currently does, she picks the links and post back like
 
we have a number in our dev room - most importantly, the highly important "wheel of blame"
 
!yt stackoverflow
 
10:44 AM
 
/curious "wheel of blame"
some of the functions I have on Ruri I've made originally to cover the ones already available within SE chat to make it simpler for users
!translate kawaii
 
@Prix Cute
 
Translate is widely used right now here even tough Google not always give us a good result
specially from japanese romaji/kanji translation
 
!translate 進撃の巨人
 
@user1306322 Giant march
 
10:49 AM
wiki and define are widely used on the main room maid cafe
 
@Prix how is a shorter version of !translate command doin?
 
I just logged in a few hours ago still have a few things in line to implement before moving into it
@user1306322 have you tried out what I dropped early here for u?
 
ah damn I updated Karasu yesterday to wait 2 minutes after the last chat message before posting an image, but he still hasn't had enough other posts in-between to even trigger posting
not yet, I'll try to use it today in an hour maybe
 
try telling ruri to ignore someone
 
!ignore ton
!ignore 120685
!ignore 1234321
 
10:53 AM
mmm guess that isn't working as expected :P
!unignore 120685
 
:17180588, I cannot remove or add trusted users to the ignore list!
 
!ignore 1234321
 
:17180594, user [1234321] has been added to the ignore list!
 
should work now
let me fix that reply
 
!ignore 100
!ignore 101
 
10:58 AM
:17180607, user [101] has been added to the ignore list!
 
y u no process edited messages
 
she does
 
!say no she doesn't
 
she doesn't process edits from messages that were not previously initiate with commands
 
@Prix you type in "not my fault"; it random selects someone to blame, but with music, animation, etc
 
11:02 AM
@MarcGravell ohh ima steal that idea
 
dammit, it looks like anidb do image refer[r]er checks
presumably to prevent hot-linking
 
how is this check even done?
a different webrequest header?
 
fairly standard
 
their admins are online lets see if they are not AFK
 
a lot of image hosts do it
 
11:03 AM
ye, but how
 
whenever your browser requests a resource, it uses the referer header to say where it is coming from
you just check that header and disallow anything you don't want to allow
lemme push what I have, so we can see
 
there must be extensions for browsers that swap these headers for "direct request" ones
ah but doesn't SE have a question about that already?
gon search
 
I can't rely on people having particular browser extensions
that's just not going to happen
 
yea, no, I was just interested for the purpose of research
 
@user1306322 that would defeat the goal of having the data shared
would be wiser just to ask them to whitelist SE
 
11:06 AM
hmm
 
it could also just be my local setup; will see in about 3 minutes
 
@MarcGravell what is the referer that needs to be allowed chat.stackexchange.com?
 
ideally, that plus chat.meta.stackexchange.com and chat.stackoverflow.com, but chat.stackexchange.com by itself would suffice (I can limit the onebox to that site)
 
mmm looks like its not hotlinked protected
or maybe that is just me cached seeing the image
@user1306322 can you see the above image?
 
@MarcGravell can you explain how deleted messages can be seen after posting a chat link to them? Sometimes you can see them, sometimes not and we couldn't figure out the exact rules.
^ image not found
7 secs ago, by user1306322
<example deleted message>
 
11:11 AM
 
ok
trying to talk with some one on their chat network
 
but hey, I'm pretty happy with how we handle that ;p
dammit, I see they have a short link format too; I should add support for that
http://anidb.net/a5610
trying again...
 
No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it 50.30.46.102:9001
 
I have a fellow programmer that pushes things that don't work like I do
 
11:14 AM
they don't seem to like us at all ;p
 
where did u test it that worked?
 
from my local machine
I need to head off and feed my kids
in other news:
translate: 進撃の巨人
 
Attack on Titan
 
will look again later
 
well look like they are all AFK at their IRC right now
@MarcGravell alright thanks a lot for feeding us :) we won't bite your hand
 
11:17 AM
translate ja: Attack on Titan
 
タイタンの攻撃
 
translate: kawaii
 
kawaii
 
!translate kawaii
 
@Prix Cute
Shinobu Oshino, nya~ nya~ nya~ nya~ ヾ(*ΦωΦ)ノ
 
11:17 AM
translate tlh: Attack on Titan
 
HIv titan
 
translate en|ja: Atack on titan
@MarcGravell looks pretty nice :) can't wait for it
 
11:34 AM
@MarcGravell could you let me know of the IP of the server that will be doing the requests as well? so I can tell them in case its required?
I am currently at their IRC channel and hopefully one of their mods or admins will show up some time soon
 
@MarcGravell Mathematics site's tags show up with dark grey bg, unlike all other sites, is that intended?
you can see some posts from various sites with Math standing out with its dark tags on this page chat.stackexchange.com/users/-2/stack-exchange?tab=recent
 
11:56 AM
@MarcGravell I was not able to get a hold of their admin but their senior moderator has told me that hot link is 100% not allowed however you're free to download the image returned and host it else where, so I assume you did need to put some imgur magic within the API result if possible at all
 
12:26 PM
!ignore 36474
!ignore -3333
!ignore 1200022
!ignore -1
!ignore 36474
 
@Prix I cannot remove or add trusted users to the ignore list!
 
!ignore 1200022
 
@Prix user [1200022] not found!
 
!unignore -2
 
@Prix I cannot remove or add trusted users to the ignore list!
 
12:42 PM
!delete 17181257
k now it should be good.
 
ello :3
 
~nyanpassu~
 
quick brb ^^
 
...
 
nyanpasu~
 
12:51 PM
xD
 
Back :3
But I don't know who this cute lady is ._.
 
the new Kore wa zombie desu ka anime that is airing currently
 
Aha
 

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