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12:01 AM
that is also one of the reason I said we should first check out what engines are there for 2d games
I dont know myself if XNA is the best option but I know there are a lot of options
and in the end it comes down to which engine you feel more comfortable working with and why
but I honestly don't mind going with MonoGame I like Mono itself so it would be nice learning it to see its potential
 
it doesn't really matter which engine we choose, as if we code it right, it could be swapped for any other engine, save for drawing and IO calls
XNA documentation teaches that you need to figure out where all objects will be on the next frame and call all their Draw methods in correct order, which could be done with SpriteBatch, DirectX or OpenGL
 
mmm I don't see so, the may diverge it a lot of things specially drawing system
 
just swap the drawing lib and that's it
 
@user1306322 if that object is movable and other factors yes
@user1306322 swap the lib does not mean methods, and other stuff doesn't change, and those could change to completely different methods/approach but doesn't matter
 
I feel like we're solving problems we're not having yet
draw calls can be made generic, if there really will ever be need for that, that is
 
12:05 AM
we aren't, we are just talking
 
first let's decide what kinda game it'll be
the exact actions that the player will be able to do
 
Shinobu Oshino, nya~ nya~ nya~ nya~ ヾ(*ΦωΦ)ノ
 
@ShinobuOshino wanna make a game?
 
@ShinobuOshino nyanpassu~~
 
nyanpasu~
what game?
 
12:11 AM
what game would you want to make?
 
I a Loli vampire game, that hides in dark places to recharge its energy
@ShinobuOshino he is talking about PC game for the records...
 
oh, I thought bot game :p
@Prix this looks good :D
 
@Prix actually, interesting…
 
............................ wtf
 
Lolivampirogatari
 
12:15 AM
so it would be something like the vndb games we see then and @ShinobuOshino would be the story writer?
and probably turn based
 
129
Q: What things should an indie game developer never do?

Andrew RussellWhat are some of the biggest - and better yet: insidious and unexpected - mistakes that indie game developers make? Especially when making the transition from hobbyist to full-time indie?

 
Man I wish I was at comiket look at these cosplay
bug:(
 
no bug
it's visible
 
I can't write good story >_<
y you post it twice
 
^ that
 
12:17 AM
@user1306322 it might be visible to you but was not to me
 
rimuv one
save the spaces!
 
@Prix it's very hard to pull off that hair
 
@Prix let's get a list of ideas we're interested in for the game
 
12:23 AM
still she looks pretty kawaii on that
Why not let us know your girl friend was participating @ShinobuOshino?
 
ask for editing permission and it shall be granted!
 
oh, because I thought it was yours
 
no no no
make it
@user1306322 Kuroneko's crazy idea list
:P
 
@user1306322 LOL
 
since its a initiate from the few of us here
uses a sword(katana ~kakkoi dakara) or its tooth to drive off enemies however when she uses her tooth she became instantly powerless and makes cute noises
 
12:27 AM
gimme your email and edit that yourself
something tells me Shaft is gonna sue us hard
 
@user1306322 willie hears ya willy don't care
 
hehe
maybe
 
cosplayers all crazy peeps -_-
 
indeed
 
kanbaru :3
still prefer anime version
 
12:33 AM
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Q: Version control for game development - issues and solutions?

CyclopsThere are a lot of version control systems available, including open-source ones such as Subversion, Git, and Mercurial, plus commercial ones such as Perforce. How well do they support the process of game-development? What are the issues using VCS, with regard to non-text files (binary files), ...

@Prix ^
 
@ShinobuOshino no no no you can't hide it now its too late admit or die
@user1306322 just make it public it saves revisions
@user1306322 shinobu belong to us!
 
@Prix oh right I forgot about that
you can refresh it and edit now
 
@Prix mah gurl ish Shinobu n' nuthin changes dat
 
@user1306322 I will change my mind when you actually consider revising other engines ;)
 
if you can propose a worthy engine, then I'll take a look
all of the ones you linked above are 3D-centric
in any case why do we need an engine? Why not just a drawing lib?
GameDev folks are in favor of game-specific tools if they can be more convenient and easy to use than any game engine's tools
 
12:41 AM
@user1306322 because we were discussing about unity
 
but… we have no use for either :O
 
@user1306322 weren't you the one suggesting "Let's not reinvent the wheel"?
 
because there might not be much to "not reinvent"
 
@user1306322 there is a difference between using a tool that can craft a game while allowing you to use limited scripting language against a programming a game yourself imo
 
I'm not arguing with that
 
12:43 AM
@user1306322 how so? there could be many methods and things that would make the entire work down to 0 if we are using XNA we already have part of that
 
like what?
all I'm saying is we should google existing logic and maybe even find usable code snippets for isometric landscape stuff or something like that which has been done for years
 
@user1306322 a easy way to include sprites and load it within a project, gives you the ability to see the winforms of the game while coding it
 
I don't know what tools exist for "general gamedev"
they might be just too general to be helpful to anyone
for my XNA game I made a class that loaded all .png images, converted them to sprites on the go without needing XNA's content pipeline or pre-compiling
I could add new images and update the sprite lib during runtime
which is how I like it
I was planning for the game to be easily customizable and have friendly user-generated content interfaces
I believe it can still be done for MonoGame, as it uses the same texture conversion logic
I'm just sharing my experience, not saying "hey let's do it one more time" coz it might cause a lot of problems
 
that's the thing, you have used it before and I haven't. I tend to look around before choosing what I will be looking at/using.
I don't know if MonoGame is good compared to other tools
but that is history now
doesn't matter anymore
 
we don't have to look for tools or VCS right now when we don't know exactly what problems we're gonna have to solve, coz ultimately that's what is gonna define what tools we would be looking for
 
12:50 AM
tools tools you don't need tools to make a game you need a programming language
you're thinking too much about Unity, or are you referring to something else I am not aware of...
!star 17187947
 
I'm saying we don't know if we're gonna have use for any of the tools a general game engine might have at all
there are RPG makers thought which make it a piece of cake to make an RPG game, but I don't remember reading anything at all on isometric realtime action game makers
 
then why are you worried about XNA or MonoGame? we can just go with Directx directly
 
actually, that's what I was gonna propose
of all the features XNA had I only used the drawing method
 
these are also not available within XNA:
Collision detection
Available moves
A* Path
Area detection
these are some functionality you would find within an engine among drawing things etc
... and more ...
 
I've read about custom implementations of that on GameDev.se
I'm not advocating XNA or MonoGame, quite the contrary
hell, I'm not even sure what they are supposed to do
I just read that Terraria was made using XNA and so I tried to recreate it in my own vision
 
12:59 AM
so you most likely didn't even use most of what XNA might have to offer
 
damn right
 
 
1 hour later…
2:27 AM
!translate コミケコスプレ
 
@Prix Comiket Cosplay
 
!summon 6697
 
Prix I have joined the room 6697!
 
!unsummon 6697
 
Prix I have left the room 6697!
 
2:28 AM
@Ruri totemo kawaii
 
@Prix, You'd better be grateful.
 
3:42 AM
Prix, Okaerinasaimase, goshujin-sama!
 
@ShinobuOshino nice a totoro cosplay hahaha
 
should just buy big totoro bed and wear it
 
nyanpassu kawaii kunaiiiii!
@ShinobuOshino LOL
 
@Prix why is she looks black O_o
 
3:58 AM
dun ask me
I think I've seen it somewhere
 
kill la kill?
 
no
 
no way who
are you looking at the yellow box or the ones below it
 
nonon jakuzure
nude beach version
 
4:01 AM
ohhh but no guns
mmm
indeed I didn't think of her bcz of the pistols
 
dun really remember, she didn't use gun?
 
I don't remember no
 
she should have flat chest...
 
pettanko ka
 
!translate pettanko ka
 
4:07 AM
@ShinobuOshino Pettanko Date
 
I blame the tied clothing
@Ruri pettanko wa ne flat chest
 
@Prix, Shut up, its distracting me...
 
@Prix tried to google this, got hentai
 
wakaran
 
4:12 AM
small chest then :3
 
mieru to mienai
 
there should be something behind the clothes
 
9 mins ago, by Prix
I blame the tied clothing
:P
 
@Prix Blame @AsadaShino
 
4:36 AM
lol
 
mirroroftruth, sama Okaerinasai
 
!loli
 
Takes away 1 Loli from @mirroroftruth. You have a total of 112 Lolis.
 
just one
+2 rep keep appearing when ever i refresh or open any other page of SE
what is this does any one has same problem
 
4:52 AM
?
!define problem
 
@Prix problem A difficulty that has to be resolved or dealt with.
 
@mirroroftruth if you don't explain it, we won't understand
 
@Prix what i am saying SE site was only read mode
before that i edited question
and yesterday i got +2 rep
now this notification of +2 rep keep appearing every time i open any site of SE
 
it went into test early today some time
for a few minutes
yeah that happened to @user1306322 as well
some people reported that opening the notification popup solves it
 
so it is bug you can say
but not for me
 
5:00 AM
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translate: わかった でしょ
 
You know
 
ya not only my problem
it is problem of many user
 
erai erai
 
!translate erai
 
@mirroroftruth Great
 
5:04 AM
"Smart kid"
 
what
!translate erai erai
 
@mirroroftruth The great great
 
@mirroroftruth that should have been the translation if not too literal
 
5:24 AM
almost there
 
5:44 AM
mirroroftruth, sama Okaerinasai
 
@Prix now inbox notification also
@Prix you know that japanese language meaning depends on context so translation is not always correct.
 
translate: ここは正常に動作しています!
 
Here is working properly!
 
@mirroroftruth You know you can manipulate google to give you what you want? Just like I did even if it looks wrong and is wrong :P
ima hit the sack
 
ya you are right
@Prix go get some sleep
 
5:50 AM
actually I am wrong but made myself look right LOL
 
 
4 hours later…
9:36 AM
mirroroftruth, sama Okaerinasai
 
!translate kaeru
 
@mirroroftruth Buy
 
!translate kaerimasu
 
@mirroroftruth S or burrs
 
!translate yo
 
9:38 AM
@mirroroftruth よ
 
!translate yare
 
@mirroroftruth Do it
 
!translate okaerinasai
 
@mirroroftruth Welcome back
 
!translate okuraisimas
 
9:39 AM
@mirroroftruth S dark band Contact
 
!translate bandai
 
@mirroroftruth Bandai
 
!translate kampai
 
@mirroroftruth Toast
 
!translate sake
 
9:40 AM
@mirroroftruth Liquor
 
!translate kaicho
 
@mirroroftruth Via Author
 
!help
 
@mirroroftruth the current working commands are: !say, !greeting, !star, !unstar, !ignore, !unignore, !delete, !about, !help, !summon, !unsummon, !loli, !shiritori, !wiki, !define, !youtube, !yt, !translate, !chuck, !urban, !eightball -- Use !help [command] for more information. -- NOTE: To avoid flooding, please edit your messages with desired commands, by pressing [up arrow] key!
 
!chuck
 
9:41 AM
What was going through the minds of all of Chuck Norris' victims before they died? His shoe.
 
!urban
!eightball
!about
 
Hi mirroroftruth, I am a BOT built by Prix with the goal of entertaining the anime & manga community. I am still under development and you can suggest changes at Kuroneko's Den!
 
!shiritori start
 
@mirroroftruth, shiritori has been enabled, starting with "miraculously"!
 
9:44 AM
It's not my problem the next word is "ready"! (。・・。)
 
yearly
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "yahoo" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
orange
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "gewgaw", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
!define gewgaw
 
9:44 AM
@mirroroftruth gewgaw A showy trifle, a toy; a showy trinket, ornament or decoration. [from 15th c.]
 
wacky
 
Etou… y… y... "yew"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
welcome
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "email", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
9:46 AM
@mirroroftruth, uuuuu.... what is the word "loli"? Will you teach me... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
lovely
 
E-Ehh?! Of course the next word is "yak"! D-Don't be silly! Hmph! è///é
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "kipper" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
river
 
9:47 AM
Hmph, is that all you've got? "radio", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
Etou… l… l... "likable"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
every
 
Etou… y… y... "yum"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
money
 
9:47 AM
It's not my problem the next word is "yolked"! (。・・。)
 
Etou… y… y... "yearbook"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
killer
 
Etou… r… r... "reminder"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
9:48 AM
i-i-it's not like the next word is "elitism" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "empathy", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
E-Ehh?! Of course the next word is "kilter"! D-Don't be silly! Hmph! è///é
 
runny
 
9:48 AM
E-Ehh?! Of course the next word is "yam"! D-Don't be silly! Hmph! è///é
 
E-Ehh?! Of course the next word is "yank"! D-Don't be silly! Hmph! è///é
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "nonadjacent", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
9:50 AM
It's not my problem the next word is "yule"! (。・・。)
 
easter
 
@mirroroftruth, uuuuu.... I don't know the word "easter"... shiku shiku T.T
 
@ShinobuOshino (。・・。) face is fine but can you make it as she is looking downward
every
 
@mirroroftruth, sorry but the word "every" was already used! The current word is "yule"!
 
everyday
 
9:51 AM
E-Ehh?! Of course the next word is "yawner"! D-Don't be silly! Hmph! è///é
 
rocky
 
It's not my problem the next word is "yardarm"! (。・・。)
 
messy
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "yielding" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
9:52 AM
It's not my problem the next word is "yeasty"! (。・・。)
 
yesterday
 
Etou… y… y... "yarmulke"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
eager
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "reminisce", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
eastern
 
9:53 AM
Etou… n… n... "naive"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
example
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "expect" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "yuppie" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
extent
 
9:54 AM
Hmph, is that all you've got? "term", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
@mirroroftruth, be a bit more creative, "many" was already used! The current word is "term"!
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "thine" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
9:54 AM
E-Ehh?! Of course the next word is "torridity"! D-Don't be silly! Hmph! è///é
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "newspaper" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
rarely
 
i-i-it's not like the next word is "yarn" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
nobody
 
9:55 AM
Hmph, is that all you've got? "yonder", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
randomly
 
It's not my problem the next word is "yea"! (。・・。)
 
accordingly
 
E-Ehh?! Of course the next word is "yeoman"! D-Don't be silly! Hmph! è///é
 
nearly
 
9:56 AM
Etou… y… y... "yeomanry"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
It's not my problem the next word is "reprehensible"! (。・・。)
 
everybody
 
Etou… y… y... "yardman"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
neither
 
9:57 AM
It's not my problem the next word is "railway"! (。・・。)
 
@mirroroftruth, sorry but the word "yatch" is not valid! (・`ェ´・)つ
 
Etou… l… l... "luxuriously"! Your turn, Senpai. 。(^▽^)ゞ
 
yourself
 
9:58 AM
Hmph, is that all you've got? "forlorn", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
never
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "reminiscence", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
either
 
Hmph, is that all you've got? "reference", I'm gonna win this time... (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑
 
endanger
 
9:59 AM
i-i-it's not like the next word is "regency" or anything, baka... (つω⊂* )
 
young
 

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