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12:33 AM
@Bob @JourneymanGeek Found out what that godawful beeping was!! It was the RAID card trying to tell me that the RAID array was degraded
 
I'm booted into the system right now, and everything works. Thank GOD for RAID10 and thank God I ordered those HGST disks when I did (literally just a few months ago)
 
That is not good, no?
 
one of my old Seagate 4 TB disks has bad sectors, but the SMART overall status is Passed
the beeping was "your array is degraded because one of the disks can't keep up"
all of the disks are marked as "Online", but one of them -- one of my old Seagates -- is marked as "Inconsistent", and the controller logs showed it got 154 ATA transfer errors trying to write sectors to it
at least it wasn't overheating or anything like that -- an old drive dying isn't the end of the world, especially on a RAID10 system
I'll just have Amazon ship me a new drive just like my new HGSTs, and for now I'm basically on RAID-0
I feel pretty okay running RAID-0 for the moment because the HGSTs are new and in very good shape
I ran on just the two Seagates for over a year in RAID-0 :P
 
RAID-0 is just striped, yea?
 
12:38 AM
RAID-0 has zero redundancy -- if any disks fail in a RAID-0, all your data is gone
a RAID-10 array that has a failed disk is effectively RAID-0
until you replace the disk
actually it kind of depends on which disk failed
 
I need to print a RAID explanation diagram x_x
 
in theory if you lose the "right" two disks, then you end up with exactly a RAID-0 array
but if you lose the "wrong" two disks, then you lose everything
but to be safe you should always try to replace any failed disks in a RAID-10 array, lest you end up with no data
 
Ahh yea, so it's a RAID 0 or two RAID 1s.
also, RAID looks weird now.
 
heh. I shut up the alarm using the command prompt :D makes me feel leet
arcconf setalarm 1 silence
at first I thought it was a cooling issue, so I set up a 584 cfm (Cubic Feet per Minute; the equivalent in cubic meters per minute is something like 16.5 m^3 per minute) fan, immediately next to the case, with the side door off, blowing into the case
that didn't help, so I thought, "oh boy, what could it be"
the video was displaying correctly so I severely doubted a GPU issue
but then my RAID card's Option ROM BIOS told me it was degraded and I was like, "Aha"
well, my replacement HDD will be here this week, it was fairly expensive, but that's what you get when you buy HDDs without a warranty (the Seagates are enclosure rip-outs)
 
lol
ol box fan trick?
 
12:45 AM
I guess I'll continue to use my desktop since I'm really not worried about the HGST drives failing, and even if the Seagate drive fails, the Seagates together were one copy of the data and the HGSTs were the other copy
losing the other Seagate at this point will just cost me another $170 or so, which sucks balls but life goes on
I still won't lose data
 
HGSTs are great drives
 
I feel like a pilot of one of those 1950-1960s turboprop planes, built with 4 propellers, built like an absolute tank, that could still fly with like 2 propellers shot.
"we lost an engine!" "shut off the fuel. we'll be OK."
 
and if the drives do have bad sectors, just short stroke them ;p
 
on an unrelated note, I wonder how my GPUs will do heat-wise if I play a game with 584 cfm of air blowing into the case
the fan is a Vornado, and its stated design goal is to achieve the highest possible flow rate of air within a relatively small fan package
it's quite loud, but it moves a LOOOOT of air
 
oh
those ;p
yeah
 
12:52 AM
holy shit, my GPU is at 30 Celsius
the GPU core running on Windows Aero with Chrome up is literally at room temperature
 
Just make sure it doesn't start turning your GPU fan backwards. :P
 
actually, I do wonder what would happen if a fan maker went **** silence, lets just push as much air as possible
 
@JourneymanGeek this is called an airplane
 
;p
(of course, I have a noctua 120mm, alongside the two 200mm cosairs I plan to change some day
 
the thing is, given a certain fan diameter, as you increase RPMs, the amount of energy required to achieve higher rotational momentum increases (exponentially? or maybe with the square? not sure)
 
12:53 AM
yup
Bigger fans do tend to push more air
but I do believe most big fans are silence optimised.
 
eventually you're going to break the sound barrier with your RPMs and cause all kinds of weird phenomena with the air -- sonic booms, hyperbolic currents, etc
 
and? ;p
 
turbofans on jet engines have those effects when they're revved up
 
eeeeee BOOOM eeeee ;p
 
We hired one of these when my wife flooded the hallway.
 
12:55 AM
that should get most of the dust out of your system. And probably scare your non human housemates.
 
@JourneymanGeek my cat hates fans, vacuum cleaners, handheld dust busters, and anything that moves significant quantities of air
she even hates cans of compressed air that are being used on things other than her
 
also, she tends to hold grudges against humans who she perceives as operating such devices, for several hours
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: <--- ironically only hates subwoofers.
We had to put ours on a big foam block to dampen the vibrations somewhat.
 
12:57 AM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ It's the noise, my cat freaks out when she can hear those types of things being used.
My parents cat is racist however.
 
(Small terriers react to scary things by being very brave from a safe distance)
 
Literally whenever my sister's boyfriend goes over to their house he gets scared and immediately wants out.
 
How's that racist?
 
because he does the same thing with my brother's girlfriend. Who also happens to be Pinoy.
 
1:00 AM
@MichaelFrank damn, 56 m^3 per minute of air
I wonder if overclockers use those
 
naw
they just mainline liquid nitrogen
 
It would probably blow the PC over.
 
tonnes of airflow is just too damned mainstream
 
!! s/main/jet
 
1:16 AM
Robin Williams is dead. :(
 
Yeah :/
Apparently he killed himself
 
1:42 AM
:((
 
2:03 AM
ugh. I hate gnome 3
and working on linux without a damned drop down terminal.
(which is wierd)
 
2:17 AM
@JourneymanGeek yakuake? guake? :P
 
not in the centos 7 repos.
 
(yeah, I could compile them, sure... but this main purpose of this vm is to get used to a vanilla centos system)
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ if you got them around the same time, expect failure soon...
 
and I'll likely toss it once I'm done with LFS 101
 
2:20 AM
@Bob same model, same firmware :S
 
pets his HGST disks.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Pretty sure most people don't use vanilla centos with a GUI
 
arcconf setalarm has the options on | off | silence, where the latter shuts off the cause for the current alarm but allows future bad events to set it off again, and off permanently turns it off no matter what
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ batch matters more than model and firmware
 
I set it to silence, so if the other disk dies, it'll bitch again
 
Bob
2:21 AM
@JourneymanGeek eh. two Toshiba, two Seagate, one WD ext, one Seagate ext... all going strong
the WD ext the longest so far, and under heavy use for a time
 
@Bob: Actually, not true. For some reason many of the RHEL certification guides assume you use a VM SQUIRREL gui
 
Toshiba makes very rugged laptop drives :)
not the best capacity I've seen, but rugged
 
alas, though, my usual shop for such things dosn't sell seagates hitachi any more
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: my current external drive of choice is a toshiba
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek use a VM, sure. VM ⇏ GUI
 
unless I wanted a enterprise model
....
 
Bob
2:22 AM
damn, that symbol really doesn't work in this font
 
I meant a GUI
 
Samsung "Pro" series SSDs are my new favorite storage device, period... only problem? to replace my HDDs with SSD equivalent storage would cost... let's see... $11,200 :D
 
that's not much
/snurk
 
Bob
oh, I have another seagate portable... don't use it much though
 
2:23 AM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: meh, for enthusiast users, two or three tiered storage makes so much sense.
 
Bob
and I think my laptop drive is hitachi, but it's the slowest I've used in years...
 
(SSD/Local spinning rust storage/NAS)
 
WELL. I take that back. if I didn't care about redundancy, I could replace my HDDs with equivalent SSD capacity for $5600 USD
 
Bob
 
2:25 AM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: even folk who build crazy 10K dual xeon gaming boxen probably wouldn't do that
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ well, in theory you don't need to care about redundancy with SSDs
they should give you plenty of warning
in practice... controller fails, and it's toast
 
@Bob because there aren't any moving parts to fail all of the sudden, right?
 
Bob
not the good kind, either
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ya, but everything hinges on the controller
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: no, just electronics to fail all of a sudden ;p
 
Bob
they should be better now, but early ones would overheat and fail quite often
the flash itself has plenty of warning
 
2:26 AM
@Bob whoever's designing those controllers needs to learn about reliable integrated circuit engineering from, say, Intel's CPU hardware guys
 
Bob
^ that's the WD external
 
seriously, WTF SATA
 
Bob
dem power on hours :D
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: also, if you weren't too picky, there's some low cost per storage space options compared to the samsungs.
 
Bob
...I probably should've censored the serial number
meh
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I picked up three Samsung MicroSDs yesterday :P
$9 each, 32GB
 
2:27 AM
maybe there's something I don't understand about why it's hard to make reliable SATA controllers, but if you can make NAND and CPUs -- extraordinarily complex chunks of semiconductors -- with breathtaking awesome levels of reliability and low failure rates, why the fuck do the SATA controllers go up like.. idk... toasters? or Dodge cars? or some shit
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: cause people generally give less of a shit about em? ;p
they arn't sexy
 
Bob
UHS-1. And apparently my laptop's internal card reader isn't limited to USB 2.0, which is nice
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.2 x64 (C) 2007-2013 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : crystalmark.info
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :    43.794 MB/s
          Sequential Write :    19.895 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    41.337 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :    35.828 MB/s
random write is strangely high
 
@Bob internal card readers could be USB 3.0 or even mini-pciE x1
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I don't think they anticipated the heat dissipation required with the early ones
especially the cheaper manufacturers
sad thing is, the i9505 phone doesn't do UHS-1 D:
the i9500 does
wtf samsung
 
my i900 does... :)
I have a 128 GB microSD. it's Sandisk.
it was cheap. I think the Samsung one is faster
 
2:30 AM
sandisk has two or more 'lines' of disks
IIRC the red and grey ones go faster.
 
Bob
Comparison with a SanDisk Extreme (SD, was used in a DSLR):
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
CrystalDiskMark 3.0.2 x64 (C) 2007-2013 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : crystalmark.info
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

           Sequential Read :    43.521 MB/s
          Sequential Write :    41.397 MB/s
         Random Read 512KB :    41.590 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :     3.752 MB/s
much faster seq write, but much slower rand
actually, I might use on of the Samsung ones for ReadyBoost... or maybe swap
its random write beats the HDD by a wide margin
I have plenty of RAM, but resuming from hibernate/sleep is killer on the HDD
(10 second queue times anyone?)
 
Suspend to RAM (sleep) shouldn't do anything to the HDD, but hiberate or hybrid sleep would, yeah
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ it does
it alerts all programs to prepare for sleep two seconds before
> The PBT_APMSUSPEND suspend notice is broadcast about two seconds prior to the sleep transition.
some programs... they can't complete whatever they need in two secs, and lag heavily on wake up
 
Bob
 
2:50 AM
@Bob Wow... is that the front page?
oh... well it must be.
 
3:08 AM
@JourneymanGeek wolf-approved nyan song
 
Bob
oh wow
Auspost: DELIVER ALL THE THINGS
HDD, MicroSD, and a bunch of USB cables arrived while I was at the post office picking up the battery pack
at least they left it at the door instead of taking it to the PO again
 
Bob
3:28 AM
@JourneymanGeek the xiaomi's nice. I just wish it was easier to verify the batteries :P
Compact. A tad heavy.
Would've been nice to be able to remove two as well
Can't read the manual either :P
 
3:46 AM
@Bob the Xiaomi data-thief?
 
Bob
@allq it's a battery pack.
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ^
 
Picked up one of these at daiso. The coverdog looks... oddly familiar
@Bob its 4 cells and a metal case so somewhat to be expected.
 
Bob
Daiso* :P
I didn't know you did modeling.
@allq also, I don't think it's the SATA controller that dies on SSDs. It's the flash controller.
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ^
 
Bob
4:19 AM
Meh, I can play over WiFi if I really wanted wireless speakers :P
 
@Bob neither did I ;p
 
0
Q: Constant loud high-pitched tone coming from computer

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪI have a video of the problem here. Please turn your volume down before 47 seconds into the video; the noise is quite loud (the volume in the video isn't even as loud as it sounds in real life from that distance from the case!) Basically: something in my computer makes a LOUD, constant, very hig...

awesome music:
 
4:49 AM
0
Q: Is RAM completely cleared when you turn off computer after pulling power?

RaymanWould there by some way to pull the power instead of conventional shut down, and recover the contents of ram without loading the operating system upon the next start-up? I'm trying to recover files open on an unresponsive Ubuntu live cd.

 
 
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Bob
6:06 AM
18
A: Why does Windows think that my wireless keyboard is a toaster?

The Unfun CatThere is a guy at work that has one of these (he is gluten intolerant and can't use the one in the lunch room): That is probably why there are toaster icons in the devices menu.

 
Bob
6:32 AM
Ah, gotta love floating-point math.
Math.Cos(Math.PI / 2) == 6.12303176911189E-17
 
Bob
6:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek what was a normal price for ATH-M50s?
 
@Bob: I can't remember
 
Bob
lol
 
and I do believe they completely replaced the model
 
Bob
Is it ~$100? $150? $200?
@JourneymanGeek Replaced? o.O
 
I'm pretty sure it was sub 200
@Bob: yeah, with the ATH M50x
 
Bob
6:51 AM
@JourneymanGeek Difference?
I believe these are "x"s
 
@Bob: removable connector into the cup
 
Bob
o.O
 
which is good
 
Bob
ah
 
otherwise mostly the same
 
Bob
6:52 AM
@JourneymanGeek About $30 more, though, it looks like :(
 
@Bob: the M40x is currently getting excellent reviews, and is cheaper
 
Bob
=> kogan.com/au/buy/… $139 there
But I can find the non-"x" for $110 elsewhere, so... I'll probably pass on that :P
 
I used the non X for years
Lovely phones
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek "cheaper" => peers at $149 price tags
 
I would have gotten another pair if I hadn't finally gotten my white whale.
 
Bob
6:54 AM
Your... white... whale?
 
@Bob: ;p Moby dick reference
I basically wanted a FA003 for years
ended up special ordering (its available at my friendly local headphone store these days)
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek pricey one there
 
yeah, it is
 
Bob
A good $200
 
There's apparently a VERY similar badge engineered copy of the older version though
 
7:49 AM
Hello
I had a question which I guess is not appropriate for the main site. So I ask it here.
2 weeks ago I successfully attached and sent a rar file using Gmail that included a .mst file (it was part of the project files of an electromagnetic simulation software). It was my project that I sent to my professor. But NOW I accidentally checked the sent mail and noticed that Gmail says this file can't be downloaded because it contains a virus! The same rar file that was successfully attached and sent 2 weeks ago, can't be attached NOW neither.
The professor's mail was Yahoo mail, and Yahoo doesn't have any problem with this file.
Can I be sure that the file (which was sent successfully at that time using Gmail) is received?
 
Bob
8:04 AM
No, you can't be sure.
Spam and av filters are funny things.
Unless your prof tells you they got it
 
8:48 AM
damn, the ending to bioshock infinite is creepy
 
@JourneymanGeek Are you able to see Facebook ads?
 
@Boris_yo: I wouldn't equate "able" and "see"
I would assume I block them
 
@JourneymanGeek I don't have blockers installed. I can't see ads.
Same in another browser.
 
@Bob Thanks. I think I should ask him.
 
9:14 AM
Google Chrome for Android is dropping LastPass auto-fill support (but gaining better security):

http://liliputing.com/2014/08/google-chrome-android-dropping-lastpass-auto-fill-support-gaining-better-security.html
Anyone has connection problem with LastPass right now?
 
 
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11:50 AM
@Bob hehe. that's zero ;-D
 
Bob
12:10 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ are you sure? :P
 
Bob
next task: transfer my Seagate portable HDD's contents to the new ruggedised Transcend
which apparently uses a Seagate disk internally
hm.
double the buffer and double the size too :D
Considerably faster as well :D
 
1:19 PM
question about PC componets selection.
I passed around here some days ago and received helpful comments, that's why I am bothering you guys again :P
- I would plan to buy a graphics card now and a twin one year down the line
- I see that most of the good cards are now 16x PCIe3.0
I was suggested to save money and go "mainstream" with a LGA 1050/55 CPU, but this supports only up to 20 PCIe lanes, meaning that the 2 cards would be used 8x/8x. LGA 2011 supports instead up to 40 lanes.
what would be the better choice in your opinion?
 
@Federico: IIRC a modern graphics card on a modern system shouldn't completely saturate a PCIe3.0 x8 port
unless you're talking about something insanely powerful
If you're thinking of doing this with AMD cards give @ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ a poke
 
@JourneymanGeek GTX780 is what I was pointing to
 
I suspect that's a typical setup for those then
 
I admit my ignorance and ask straight away: what's the point of having a 16x port if "normally" you don't even saturate a 8x? or, turning that around, for what a 16x is useful?
 
honestly?
Futureproofing I suspect
 
1:24 PM
(if that's a good question for the site, allow me to ask it there)
 
each generation of PCIe has been about twice as fast as the last one
 
ok, this part I got. but forcing a 16x card to run through a 8x port, doesn't it create a bottleneck? or is said bottleneck easied by the parallel configuration and thus is not noticeable?
or, even worse, it would be uttely pointless?
 
1:46 PM
as I understand it, PCIe generation 3 x16 has capacity to spare.
worth a read, even if its a generation older
(and the whole article I guess)
TLDR? You lose ~5% performance
 
I am reading, but if I understand correctly, that only partially anwer my doubt, as they are comparing single card only setups, not single x16 vs 8x/8x
 
Bob
2:03 PM
...shoulda checked first
new HDD was preformatted as FAT32.
A 2TB drive.
wtf.
 
@Federico more than 8x can be used by high-end GPUs on microbenchmarks and certain GPGPU kernels
@Federico I would think buying a R9 280X (or R9 290X if you can afford it) would be more future-proof than buying 780s.
depends on your use case though
Nvidia cards would be good if: (1) you already have CUDA programs you need to run and there's no OpenCL equivalent; or (2) you have games you really want to play that are optimized for Nvidia and not AMD
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ (2) would be more like it, but I will consider your suggestion anyway, thanks.
 
@Federico well, most game publishers these days are favoring AMD cards, because both current-gen consoles (Xbox One and Playstation 4) use the same AMD card architecture (GCN) as the latest AMD graphics cards on the PC, and the Mantle API translates fairly well from consoles to the PC and does great for performance
AMD has really gotten the developer mindshare jump on Nvidia this time around, so expect to see fewer and fewer games with much Nvidia optimization attention
that, and the R9 280X -- just one -- is enough to play any existing game at 60 FPS @ 1080p, and it's at a ridiculously low price, something like $210 at some places, cheap enough that you might even be able to afford 2 of them
I have two of them at home (though one of them is branded HD7970 because I got it in 2012, but the R9 280X is the same thing with higher factory clocks) -- in CrossFireX, there's nothing they can't play at 60 fps, probably even at 1440p though I haven't tried it because I don't have a 4K monitor :P
 
got it, thanks! :)
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Hm. ATH-WM77 for $15.
Red, though :\
 
2:21 PM
lol
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ah screw it, might as well. not one of the better ones, but apparently AT's good, or so I've heard somewhere :P
The red, though... eh, it probably won't leave home anyway, too bulky
 
don't know if you guys saw that :p
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ My ears are ringing :P
 
@Bob 0_0
where's his other hand?
 
@JourneymanGeek you don't want to know
 
Bob
2:33 PM
@JourneymanGeek ;)
 
@Bob I warned you! :P
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ My headset volume was at 0!
 
@Bob 0 dB attenuation? :P
 
Bob
2:50 PM
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ USB Headset. What Windows considers "0" is still audible. And decently loud.
I normally keep it at 2-6.
 
o_O
so would 100 blow your eardrums out?
 
this is why I favour having a physical volume control knob.
 
Bob
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ No, actually, it's logarithmic. 50 is much closer to 100 than 0.
Wait, yes, it will blow my eardrums out because 50 and 100 are just that loud anyway -_-
@JourneymanGeek The physical buttons on the cable control the OS volume settings :P
 
@Bob: oh, I have an amp. My Os is always on maximum volume. I use the amp to control how loud it actually is.
 
Bob
2:56 PM
Heh. I do have a volume dial on my keyboard, but that only works for 3.5mm headsets.
(yes, an actual volume dial for the 3.5mm in/out, in addition to the media keys)
 
I don't use wires anymore. I usually keep my OS volume at max (at home with the TOSLINK), and turn it down on the base station of the H Wireless
on bluetooth headsets there's usually only one volume
!!define wire
 
Bob
> Confirmation of your order of Audio-Technica WM77 Retractable Headphones - Red...
 
@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ wire (uncountable) Metal formed into a thin, even thread, now usually by being drawn through a hole in a steel die.
 
oh, I had forgot, thanks Cavil
good old Cavil, always informing me about these 20th century concepts
 
Bob
Ok, starting file copy again.
After reformatting the drive.
Because the 2TB drive came as FAT32.
wtf Transcend.
 

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