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10:00 AM
Afternoon
 
Hey.
 
@JonathanHobbs Cable is the son of [spoiler] and a clone of [spoiler], sent to the [spoiler] because of [spoiler] but he later returned to prevent [spoiler] from [spoilering]. By the time he was paired up with Deadpool, Cable had near godlike psionic and technokinetic powers which he tried to use to help the world but wound up becoming a global tyrant.
Hey.
 
[spoiler]
 
[redacted]
 
[snip]
 
10:05 AM
[censored]
 
[ message that isn't actually censored but seems so because it's in block quotes and has no coherent meaning]
 
CEASE THIS TOMF███ERY IM████████ ██████████
 
[gasp]
[shock] [alarm]
 
> Jack and Jill went up the hill
> To ███ █ ███ █ ████.
> Jack fell down and broke his ███,
> And Jill came █████ after.
 
Stop, you are reminding me of my military years.
 
10:09 AM
A defence lawyer in the 1800s used that to get an obscenity charge thrown out of court.
 
Really?
 
Yes, yes I would!
 
Heh. Let me look it up; been a long time since I read it and the source wasn't entirely reliable but I know what book to look in to start.
 
The plot thickens.
 
M'rr. I'm having trouble tracking down specifics
The gist was that a man was being taken to court for publishing lewd stories in his magazine, in which all the naughty words had been blacked out.
 
10:17 AM
Well, maybe you can just fill in some information from memory.
Oh. That pretty much does that.
 
The lawyer read aloud several innocuous nursery rhymes and other well-known verses with strategically censored words.
His claim was that when the relephant words were deleted, anything could be sexy, or funny, or insulting, depending entirely on the mindset of the audience.
 
Clever.
 
Thus if the jury found his client guilty of publishing lewd stories it was only because the jury was naughty-minded itself.
 
I can envision Kevin Costner playing that part in my head :P
 
This has been your Uncited Moment In History.
 
10:20 AM
Ever since the movie JFK Kevin Costner is my go-to internal image for old-timey lawyer.
 
(Uncited Moments in History is sponsored by Having A Good Memory But Being Too Lazy To Look Things Up.)
 
Made possible by books. Read them.
 
@BESW ;)
 
@BESW this is pretty funny.
 
Completely unrelated, though I have a direction I am going with this... With an answer of Yes/No. Who here believes that Aliens exist? (IE: That intelligent life exists beyond Earth) If you answered "Yes" then do you believe they have visited the Earth? (IE: made contact with humanity).
 
10:23 AM
@JonathanHobbs The man had no case. The stories were obviously intended to titillate and possessed no redeeming value whatsoever. He resorted to a clever re-direct, holding the jury hostage by its own self-image.
@InbarRose Yes/probably not.
(The existence of intelligent life beyond our planet is actually a minor tenet of my faith, but beyond "yes they exist" the details are left to science and time to uncover.)
 
@BESW That's interesting.
But before I get into that...
 
Does this imply that intelligent life exists on earth? Or can we answer without comitting to that?
 
I noticed not everyone answered.. That's fine.. Whatever... My point in asking is that if someone believes that they have visited the Earth and made contact with humanity, and since that is not "public knowledge", it implies a cover-up (IE: a conspiracy)
 
@InbarRose I'm inclined to say no, but I don't have a strong belief either way.
 
What's that history channel show which says everything was done by aliens?
 
10:28 AM
The thought that hundreds if not thousands (or even tens of thousands) of people are "in on it" and that no information has leaked is ridiculous.
 
It's one of those, they covered it up but not very well stories 😁
 
So then, the question is - if this is indeed a conspiracy, where are the leaks? Where are the people who decided to finally "come clean" ?
 
@BESW Oh, yes, but I like how he did it quite a bit. It's quite clever and cheeky.
 
Well..... there are probably hundreds (or thousands) of videos on the internet, and people that claim that aliens exist, or have visited the earth.....
 
10:30 AM
Locked up as insane by the conspirators
@besw yes, that !
 
But does that necessarily mean that it's true?
 
Ancient aliens!
 
In trying to prove A (aliens exist) by assuming B (aliens visited earth) and thus assuming C (it's being covered up) and hoping to learn about D (people talking about the cover up and that aliens are real). Can we by seeing D actually assume that A is real?
 
As far as I'm aware, there are no world wide conspiracies that have been proven true, yet at the same time there are open organizations which attempt to 'run the world' and do a terrible job at it.
 
Who says it's being covered up? A lot of people who talk about it are seen as wackos. A friend of mine swears to actually having experienced something - alongside several other people, including his aunt - but won't talk about it because, y'know, he doesn't want to be seen as a wacko.
If it is the case that people have met aliens, it requires almost no covering up at all.
 
10:33 AM
My point is. That we exist in a world where we have LOTS of D.
 
I wish there was a conspiracy running the world. Either they'd do a bad job, in which case I'd have a legitimate reason to hate them, or do a decent job, in which case they'd be a lot better than what we currently have.
 
I'm looking at you UN and IMF
 
Example: Here is a Canadian Minister (A recognized public figure) claiming that aliens are real.
 
May 27 at 12:43, by BESW
Oh, the entire world is ruled by guys named Dave.
 
Sounds like a granfalloon to me.
 
10:35 AM
@InbarRose I can provide a link to a recognised public figure claiming that if many more people live on my island it'll capsize.
 
Oh yes, no doubt.
 
(The Daily Show picked it up a few years ago.)
 
My question is just that if we are seeing D, then does that mean that C, B, and A are true?
The answer, obviously, is No.
 
Only if C, B, and A are necessary to D rather than simply sufficient for it.
 
But then the question is - how can we ever know something we can not directly observe? If we refuse to believe the results of that thing.
 
10:37 AM
If D implied A, B and C, that would basically validate a lot of other crazy superstitions as well.
@InbarRose Oh, it goes beyond that. The good ol' sceptic's problem - how can you ever know anything?
 
For instance, Gravity. We can not observe gravity directly, but we can observe its affects. We know that something is there, and we call it gravity and give it theories, etc. But we can not directly observe it, only its affects.
 
You can always make an assumption: "I saw it, so it must exist". But how do you know you can trust your senses? Maybe your senses lie and the assumption is wrong. So the first rule of questioning everything should be to question EVERYTHING, so nothing is accepted without proof.
This means you can only base your proofs on either never-ending chain of proof (not very convincing) or a circular argument (notoriously broken).
 
This is rapidly expanding beyond the scope of this chat to encompass, I think.
 
Ha, isn't that the norm of this chat though?
 
It's a known fact that I don't actually exist
 
10:41 AM
@InbarRose Not this far out.
 
@GMNoob I have never observed you.
Only an Affect.
 
Aug 25 '13 at 23:42, by Alex P
One of these days, I think I want to play a troll philosopher.
Aug 25 '13 at 23:44, by BESW
@AlexP "I eat bridge-crossing goats, therefore I am"?
 
Guess I should grab some Indian food then 😄
 
@GMNoob oooooo Now you are talking!
 
@InbarRose Yes
 
10:42 AM
@BESW ...OR is it?
 
Does this chat room even have a scope that can be encompassed?
I have never observed such a scope.
 
@InbarRose I think we discuss RPGs sometimes.
 
May I make a suggestion for April this year?
well next year.
We reskin the site to be Rocket Propelled Grenades
 
10:46 AM
And have lots of meta questions about our scope
 
@GMNoob Well, what distance are you using your RPG at and in what lighting conditions? Those affect the kind of scope you'll want to use.
 
Some RPG's have their own scope.
 
We can make a meme about this, no need to wait till April
 
10:49 AM
@MatthewNajmon Hi! You've found us at a sillier than usual moment, which is exceptionally silly.
 
Oh, sorry. Replica's are Off-Topic for this site.
 
We need to convert a picture to say that a question is outside of the rpg scope
This is the scope of RPG, I do not see your question inside of it.
http://arsenal2.ru/i/msg_i/4085/pgo-7v.jpg
 
Despite having run role-playing games for eight years, when I say "RPG" to my mother she still thinks of this first.
 
@InbarRose Replicas of scopes are outside the scope?
 
 
10:51 AM
@BESW I did not realize punchcards had languages!
 
@kviiri Heh, yeah, that's not an issue.
 
@BESW that pic isn't through a scope, that's the inside of a rifled pistol barrel
 
@MatthewNajmon So you're saying it's... out of scope?
 
no, i'm saying we're barrelling off topic
 
10:54 AM
@MatthewNajmon I have fallen over in shock and agony
 
(If it had been an issue, the fastest easiest way to set those fears and misconceptions to rest is to play a game around the person--which Trogdor and I did, with his brother, while our mothers were doing watercolours together at their house. They still make jokes about what they've overheard, like "high-definition zombies.")
 
Welcome to RPG.SE, where our grenades are propelled by rockets.
 
@BESW Yeah, the whole "RPGs are Satanism" thing hasn't really been popular here either... ever, as far as I know, except with some extreme cranks.
 
@kviiri It's the main thing my aunt and her boyfriend know about RPGs, but they don't take it seriously--they just don't have any other schema for it.
 
@InbarRose Or perhaps, welcome to RPG.SE Where our pomegranates are sent into motion by space ships?
 
10:56 AM
I do make my new players read Dark Dungeons though, just so they won't be too shocked when I grant them in the witch coven at level 7.
 
Oh, speaking of! I should check on that.
 
@GMNoob Pomme le Rocket (in fake french)
 
chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.ASP here's the comic version. I hear there's a feature movie in the making as well...
 
@GMNoob Welcome to RPG.SE, where punch cards are still cool.
@kviiri yes, that's what he's saying he should check on (the progress of).
@GMNoob My mother worked with our university's computer when it was a computer which took up rooms.
 
The trailer was utterly ridiculous. People chanting in a disco-like dungeon. "R-P-G! R-P-G!"
 
11:00 AM
Can someone explain this really strange joke to me? "What's the difference between an elephant and a grape?"
 
@InbarRose the website name should be a clue
 
@InbarRose Except it's a strawberry blonde humming Joan Baez melodies.
> Anti Jokes (or Anti Humor) is a type of comedy in which the uses is set up to expect a typical joke setup however the joke ends with such anticlimax that it becomes funny in its own right. The lack of punchline is the punchline.
There is in this case, however, some precedent for expecting a joke about elephants and grapes to have a punchline.
 
@InbarRose This is part of a long nice history of jokes.
 
@BESW That's what's missing.
 
11:03 AM
> Q: How can you tell the difference between a grape and an elephant?
A: Grapes are purple.
> Q: How can you tell the difference between a grape and an elephant if you're color blind?
A: Dance on it for awhile. If you don't get any wine, it's an elephant.
> Q: What did the grape say when the elephants stood on it?
A: Nothing, it just let out a little whine.
 
So elephant/grape jokes are common
I never knew this.
 
> Q: What did Jane say when she saw the elephants over the hill?
A: "Here comes a bunch of grapes over the hill". She was colourblind.
 
Q: Do you know the difference between an Elephant and Grape?
A: No
Well, I'm never sending you to the supermarket
 
Reminds me of these programming jokes:
"A wife asks her husband, a computer programmer; "Could you please go to the store for me and buy one carton of milk, and if they have eggs, get 6!"

A short time later the husband comes back with 6 cartons of milk.

The wife asks him, "Why the hell did you buy 6 cartons of milk?"

He replied, "They had eggs.""
 
The grape/elephant joke reminds me of a famous chelm story
 
11:07 AM
Hmm, nobody's greeted Mourdos yet, huh?
 
A computer scientist showed up at work proudly. "Hey everyone, I've got some news! Our baby was born during the weekend!"

"Congratulations!" said the coworkers. "Is it a boy or a girl?"

"Yes", the computer scientist replied.
 
I haven't been very greet-y lately, alas.
> Q: What do you get when you cross an elephant with a kangaroo?
A: Bloody great holes all over Australia.
 
What’s purple, hangs on the wall, and whistles?
I don’t know.
A herring.
Herrings aren’t purple.
So, paint it purple.
Herrings don’t hang on the wall.
Hang it on the wall.
But, herrings can’t whistle.
No analogy is perfect.
 
Oh, if we're just doing doggerel now...
> Yesterday upon the stair
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today;
I think he's with the CIA.
 
It's a great chelm story, that I can't find online, but that was the closest I could find to it.
 
11:11 AM
@BESW Such a pretty poem.
 
@kviiri Your response has been recorded.
 
And then there is this:
http://www.thethingswesay.com/things-i-hate-vandalism-irony-lists/
 
4. that final extra line that's basically pointless
 
Here is another version of that same riddle. Fascinating how the same thing gets told just slightly differently and it changes the joke quite a bit.

"What is it that hangs on the wall, is green, wet -- and whistles?" I knit my brow and thought and thought, and in final perplexity gave up. "A herring," said my father. "A herring," I echoed. "A herring doesn't hang on the wall!" "So hang it there." "But a herring isn't green!" I protested. "Paint it." "But a herring isn't wet." "If it's just painted it's still wet." "But -- " I sputtered, summoning all my outrage, "-- a herring doesn't whist
Apparently Disneyland is a "people trap" set by a mouse.
 
I actually recall seeing these jokes in Finnish jokebooks that didn't even make any sense... until translated to English. Lazy editors probably translated them in bulk without bothering to see if they made sense afterwards...
 
11:21 AM
@BESW australia used to have megafauna
Procoptodon was a genus of giant short-faced kangaroo living in Australia during the Pleistocene epoch. P. goliah, the largest known kangaroo that ever existed, stood approximately . They weighed about . Other members of the genus are smaller however and Procoptodon gilli is the smallest of all of the sthenurine kangaroos, standing ~1m tall. Giant short-faced kangaroos had a flat face and forward-pointing eyes. On each foot they had a single large toe somewhat similar in appearance like a horse's hoof. On these unusual feet they moved quickly through the open forests and plains, where th...
this is the largest kangaroo we know of
... it's 2m tall
 
The school had show and tell, and every student had to show something exciting to the rest of the class. One kid went to the blackboard, took a piece of chalk and drew a small dot.

"What is that?" asked the teacher.

"It's a period." the kid replied.

"I can see that, but how is it exciting?" the teacher asked.

"Well, my sister missed one. Mom fainted, dad got furious and the postman moved out of town."
 
WTF? " living in Australia during the Pleistocene epoch. P. goliah, the largest known kangaroo that ever existed, stood approximately . They weighed about . Other members of the genus are smaller however and Procoptodon gilli is the smallest of all of the sthenurine kangaroos, standing ~1m tall."
 
@Metool greetings have been delivered
 
@GMNoob Procoptodon[1] was a genus of giant short-faced kangaroo living in Australia during the Pleistocene epoch. P. goliah, the largest known kangaroo that ever existed, stood approximately 2 m (6.6 ft).[2] They weighed about 230 kg (510 lb).[3] Other members of the genus are smaller however and Procoptodon gilli is the smallest of all of the sthenurine kangaroos, standing ~1m tall.
 
Diprotodon, meaning "two forward teeth", sometimes known as the giant wombat or the hippopotamus wombat, is the largest known marsupial ever to have lived. Along with many other members of a group of unusual species collectively called the "Australian megafauna", it existed from approximately 1.6 million years ago until extinction some 46,000 years ago (through most of the Pleistocene epoch). Diprotodon species fossils have been found in sites across mainland Australia, including complete skulls and skeletons, as well as hair and foot impressions. Aboriginal rock art images in Quinkan...
Also, here's our giant wombat.
 
11:25 AM
@InbarRose Yes, but why does the preview leave out the important facts? like it knows what to take out to make you click? :P
 
It was giant and a wombat.
 
And this:
The Solifugae are an order of animals in the class Arachnida known variously as camel spiders, wind scorpions, sun spiders, or solifuges. The order includes more than 1,000 described species in about 153 genera. Much like a spider, the body of a solifugid has two tagmata: an opisthosoma (abdomen) behind the prosoma (that is, in effect, a combined head and thorax). At the front end, the prosoma bears two chelicerae that, in most species, are conspicuously large. The chelicerae serve as jaws and in many species also are used for stridulation. Unlike scorpions, solifugids do not have a third...
 
The , Macrocheira kaempferi, is a species of marine crab that lives in the waters around Japan. It has the largest leg span of any arthropod, reaching up to and weighing up to . It is the subject of small-scale fishery which has led to a few conservation measures. Description The Japanese spider crab has the greatest leg span of any arthropod, reaching from claw to claw. The body may grow to a size of (carapace width) and the whole crab can weigh up to . The males have the longer chelipeds; The crab is orange, with white spots along the legs. It is reported to have a gentle disposi...
You will not sleep at night.
> It has the largest leg span of any arthropod, reaching up to 3.8 metres (12 ft) and weighing up to 19 kilograms (42 lb). It is the subject of small-scale fishery which has led to a few conservation measures.
 
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Q: Chat misses some words when oneboxing Wikipedia info

Jonathan HobbsDid you know Australia was home to megafauna 40-50,000 years ago? They were huge! Our Giant Wombat, which is very appropriately named, was a wombat that stood taller than an adult. So too did our largest kangaroo, the Procoptodon. If these facts are terrifying to you, it's okay. They went extin...

 
@Metool 4e was an entirely different sort of game from the other editions. I won't get into an argument about it but in some senses it was actually worse than Vancian. — Wesley Obenshain 11 mins ago
Woooo.
I need coffee.
 
11:37 AM
I have now seen evidence of D&D 4e being considered Not D&D.
 
@JonathanHobbs Well crafted question. I think the previous question should be marked a duplicate of yours :)
 
@GMNoob Haha thank you.
 
There is a book which describes a magician as tapping his fingers and doing somatic stuff behind his back while talking to someone to cast a spell. Would that answer the latest question, or not really cause it's from a random non rpg related book?
 
@GMNoob Ground it solidly in what Pathfinder has to say on the topic, provide it as a reasonable interpretation and demonstrate how it matches what Pathfinder says, and you're probably fine.
 
It'd be nice to see sources like promotional podcasts, but you could use a quote like that in line with above.
 
11:49 AM
@Metool If that exists, then I'll let someone more expert than me answer
 
I don't know if it exists.
 
Hope I didn't just abuse some meta rule in Rpg.SE lol
 
@GMNoob Why not both? :D
 
@JonathanHobbs Cause I don't know much about pathfinder. redacted
 
@GMNoob You didn't. We push significant issues that should have community input (not just our input) to meta, but you were just asking a question.
 
11:52 AM
It sort of annoys me when someone who clearly doesn't know a game, writes an answer trying to reference the game but totatlly botches it up.
 
And really: the guy's just asking for a reasonable interpretation within pathfinder to explain how on earth this could work. So provide a reasonable interpretation, and leave no doubt it's reasonable within Pathfinder, rather than just "well I read a book once, maybe this thing will fit."
 
@JonathanHobbs I meant linking back to this conversation as a comment to the question.
 
@GMNoob Oh? No, that's fine. Chat's public. Link whatever's in here wherever however. If there's stuff I don't want used that way, I don't put it here.
@GMNoob Oh, right. No, that's attempting to answer in comments, which is super bad.
Scenario: Someone asks a question. They get a half-assed answer in comments that is not remotely exposed to our tools for handling answers (editing and downvotes do not exist). It's good enough, they go away, take their half-assed answer, pay no more attention to us, leave us with a question they don't care about anymore and won't accept answers to or etc.
Better case is they do pay attention, but your semi-answer should still be a proper answer subject to everything an answer is subject to.
 
@JonathanHobbs I see
 
Good morning
 
11:58 AM
(similar reason to why we encourage not answering unclear questions. they ask an unclear question, someone gives a half-terrible half-maybe-fitting answer before the question is put on hold and answering is shut down, the person goes away and takes it rather than putting in the effort to repair the question and get it reopened, and then some good answers arrive now that we understand what the heck they need.)
 
@JonathanHobbs Thanks for reminding me to get back to answering my question :)
 
You could also reason that if the asker can't be bothered, then they can go ahead and take a poor answer that doesn't solve their problem if they want. That's fine, but we're left with the results to deal with.
 
@JonathanHobbs Yes, the unresolved question on the site is worse than the anxiety of the person waiting for a "proper answer"
 
I have general anxiety. People can handle waiting.
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith Sorry, but this is metaly hillarious. "
@GMNoob Submitted via my phone, and it shoes, edited to be more readable. –"
 
12:06 PM
@GMNoob Submitted via my phone, and it shoes, edited to be more readable. — Joshua Aslan Smith 4 mins ago
quoted so as to preserve for all of time
 
How do you quote properly like that?
 
By copying the link to the comment and pasting it in the chatbox.
 
for those with keen eyes: I can flag comments I've already upvoted because of SOUP
 
How curious!
 
@GMNoob You've got to right-click the timestamp on the comment specifically.
"X mins ago"
 
12:12 PM
Aha!
sneaky
 
@GMNoob very
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A: Rock Around the Clock

aditsuCJam - 90 ASCII / 54 Unicode ASCII: {{T):T}:F~", ":CFCF" o'clock":OCFO" rock, "}Z*"We're gonna rock around the clock tonight." Unicode: "ξ漰㠬༳ᆧᶃ㸩씪咦⏚騤䖫퍃᰽薂ᴤਥ궋씻㱗㽫Ƶꐥ勋䎔䃱魠ꝯ朐酠礢璿狮꓈执낦덋觫ᥛ琚"GZ)#bBC*b:c~ Try them at http://cjam.aditsu.net/

At some point, Code Golf users realised they could use Chinese script and unicode to make their code even briefer.
I am very impressed and amused by this occurrence.
 
@GMNoob very nice
 
@JoshuaAslanSmith I am a flan of your phone's autocorrect
3
 
@JonathanHobbs [snorfle]
 
12:35 PM
@JonathanHobbs I thought code golf would be cool, then I discovered it goes against my entire ethos of coding.
 
@GMNoob it's code golf, it goes against most ethos of coding
 
Code golf is awesome.
 
@JonathanHobbs I feel betrayed by it :)
Shortest but readable should be a thing.
Though this thing with unicode and chinese chars, makes me think about bmps. I wonder if those are submitable.
 
40
Q: How did this person code "Hello World" with Microsoft Paint?

Eamonn O'BrienI have just seen this within the past few days and cannot figure out how it works. The video I talk about is here: It's the top rated answer from this Stack Overflow question: Why was this program rejected by three compilers? How is this bitmap able to show a C++ program for "Hello World"?

 
12:42 PM
oh my god
I love this one
I love the one linked to from there too...
474
Q: Why is this program erroneously rejected by three C++ compilers?

James McNellisI am having some difficulty compiling a C++ program that I've written. This program is very simple and, to the best of my knowledge, conforms to all the rules set forth in the C++ Standard. I've read over the entirety of ISO/IEC 14882:2003 twice to be sure. The program is as follows: Here i...

 
Afternoon / Morning all.
 
@Mourdos Hi!
 
Heyo!
 
@GMNoob Don't you know Piet? It's a language you always write with bitmap images.
 
Cheers for pointing out I could get in chat now Jonathan. Hadn't noticed I'd hit 20.
 
12:46 PM
@kviiri hrngh. It sounds like the most deceptively simple and beautiful thing, and yet... [keels over, grips chest, dies]
 
@JonathanHobbs It is really simple. You simply have a stack which can be manipulated by changing the shade or hue of a color.
 
One shade darker means pushing to stack, for example.
 
@kviiri yes... but... but...
I am at least satisfied that the brainfuck interpreter is as much of that to look at as its corresponding language is
 
@JonathanHobbs Ah, that's created with a Piet assembler.
 
12:53 PM
@kviiri oh, is this something like optimised code lined out in ways that are super nice for a machine and not for a human/
 
I love howthe RPG chat is filled with programming talk. This does not surprise me.
 
@JonathanHobbs No no, I don't really believe that to be very optimized at all.
 
@Mourdos we talk about RPGs sometimes! and then the rest of the time, we do not. :D
 
@JonathanHobbs it's just compiled from a more human-friendly language using Piet as an intermediate language.
 
@kviiri ah, okay.
 
12:55 PM
@Mourdos First law of stackexchange: there is a high probability that any chat on this network can and will dissolve into a programming discussion
 
What can I do with Serpent Moon, given i don't have Nephilim?
http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=1119
 
@Oxinabox sell it, use it for kindling, etc
if you'd like to know if it's actually playable somehow without Nephilim, you could ask the site
 
I'll have to look into Piet and code some batch scripts in it. Its got to be easier than using NSDK
 
Morning.
 
What can I do with Sky Realms of Jurune, *at all*
I spent the day checking our 34 year old clubs library.
 
1:00 PM
@lisardggY Hi!
 
hi hih
(by checking I mean ensuring out records were correct)
I had always though serpent moon was a systemless setting book.
I really don't know what can be done with it.
But i am sure it can't be played on its own.
 
on yet another tangent, a comment from a comment discussion that is itself going on a tangent, someone points out reasons why Common Sense is absolutely no longer a basis for interpreting rules in Magic: the Gathering tournaments. Background: Worst Fears
As evidence I present various questions genuinely asked about Worst Fears: "Can I force my opponent to concede?" "Can I force my opponent to attack himself with his creatures?" "Can I force my opponent to tear up his own cards with Blacker Lotus if he doesn't concede?" "Can I force my opponent to let me take cards from his deck?" "Can I force my opponent to take his top off if he doesn't concede?" "Can I force my opponent to rob a bank if he doesn't concede?" "Can I force my opponent to give me his wallet?" "Can I force my opponent to not concede so that he has to tear up his cards?" — deworde 42 mins ago
 
I'm not seeing the problem here...
 
i just find these questions hilarious
> Can I force my opponent to give me his wallet?
 
> 4/26/2014: You can’t make the affected player concede. That player may choose to concede at any time, even while you’re controlling him or her.
So no, you can't force your opponent to not concede, at least.
 
1:04 PM
@JonathanHobbs "Can I force my opponent to fall in love with me?" "Can I force my opponent to ignore gravity and fly off?" "Can I force my opponent to have never been born?"
 
> The first time I died [in Dungeons of Dredmor], it was from drinking aqua regia, believing it to be a healing potion. What! it was red, ok?
It was also labelled "aqua regia" if you're curious.
 
Aqua regia is a very fascinating substance.
 
@Metool ouch xD
 
The "errata" on that card is about as hillarious as the comment's questions.
 
That is hillarious.
 
1:07 PM
@GMNoob yes it is
 
I was expecting the final entry to be: "This card is no longer legal"
 
@Mourdos Hi!
 
@B
 
note: causing the player to sing "I'm a little teapot" does seem to be against the rules, unless you can find a card that requires it
 
Hobbs: and of course Spawnsire of Ulamog[http://magiccards.info/query?q=+Spawnsire+of+Ulamog&v=card&s=cname]
"Cast any number of Eldrazi cards you own from outside the game ..."
 
1:08 PM
Fail at the autocomplete
@BESW Hi
 
@GMNoob What, the rulings?
 
@Metool yeah
@Oxinabox *facepalm
 
@kviiri
CIF3 is more fascinating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride

it burns and practically nothing can stop it.
It burns without oxygen, and it reacts explosively with water.
 
I am going to leave here one of my favourite B&CG comments to date:
@corsiKa If you think Un cards have any place whatsoever in valid MTG play, I'd like to play against you with my R&D's Secret Lair/Ashnod's Coupon deck, preferably in an expensive bar. — murgatroid99 Jul 8 at 23:42
 
@Mourdos I'm glad to see you in the chat! Unfortunately I'm going to bed now, but I hope to talk later.
 
Ok, what is the story behind "Relephant"?
 
@GMNoob it's stuff that is relevant to an elephant
 
@JonathanHobbs That's what urban dictionary says, but not how its being used here :)
 
In informal correspondence (as this chat) I type "relephant" instead of "relevant." It's an affectation which this chat seems to enjoy and perpetuate.
We are also interested in owlephants.
 
Ok, so I remember hearing some criticism that feats were not balanced re casters/martials. I'm wondering if this list sounds like that is still the case or not.
http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140721
 
1:24 PM
@GMNoob from reading titles it looks like it favors martial characters
 
I'm willing to bet it's still actually the inverse, though.
 
oK, S
Ok, so a quick split, gives me 18 feats or martials, 8 feats for casters, and 19 feats for both.
 
@GMNoob sensible, considering that the fighter for example has about 3 more available slots
 
However, Martial Adpet, and Magic Initiate, I'm not sure if they are good for the martial or the caster, but I figure it evens out regardless
 
I'm going to assume, for purposes of amusement, that the word "magic" in "Magic Initiate" is a verb.
 
1:29 PM
Also, I placed "Medium Armor Master" and "Moderately Armored" under "both" because of the Mountain Dwarf. Otherwise I think I would have added 2 to the martials, and taken away 2 from both.
@BESW Verb verb?
 
@BESW verb or adjective?
 
Verb noun. As in, "I shall magic this initiate."
 
for the purposes of amusement i am now considering how this could be applied as a verb
 
Also, is "Mage Slayer" a feat for casters or martials or both? :P
 
> (transitive) To produce, transform (something), (as if) by magic.
 
1:31 PM
@GMNoob martial I'd guess
 
IE, "to conjure up," or produce magically.
The "Magic Initiate" feat allows you to conjure apprentices.
 
The Charger feat has massive implications... MASSIVE
 
@BESW This works. I like it.
 
@GMNoob Oh?
 
@GMNoob if it stays a push, that's a really nice power for fighters
 
1:33 PM
The Charger feat makes me imagine that the Martial Adept feat, grants you tatical bonuses
@Metool There is no Charge action in the basic rules. So either this means this is one in the Phb, or that it grants the charge ability.
It's a fun idea to think that a feat or class abililty allows you to gain some mechanical advantage to "flanking", or prone and damage, or other such abilities.
i.e. things that use to be general combat rules, because character abilities.
 
ooh the Playtest Duel wield feat will make TWF compete at higher levels
(or at least get much much closer)
 
@waxeagle What does it do?
 
@GMNoob +1 AC, and only the off hand weapon must be light
 
I never paid much attention to the feats during the playtest.
 
so you could go up to a d8 in your main hand. It's not much, but it certainly makes it more competitive
 
1:36 PM
@waxeagle But it's still only one bonus action :(
 
@GMNoob oh I know, but a big problem with the TWF/GWF difference was actaully in the primary damage die only being a d6. If that's a d8, it's at least a bit more comparable
then again the Great weapon master give you pretty good odds at getting a full extra attack every turn or two
(free attack on crit/kill)
that's still going to swing things towards the GWF most of the time :|
 
I'm not really happy with a fighter needing to take a feat to be on par with a basic fighter option.
 
@GMNoob yeah, TWF is kinda lame starting with the advent of the second attack unless we see better martial light weapons
 
I can only hope they give some extra bonus to rangers for this, and they are trying to push that style to ranger and give rangers a purpose.
@waxeagle Well it's really good at low levels, It's just after the 3rd fighter attack that it loses it's "balance"
 
@GMNoob hope so, because yeah, it's not a bad option for the fighter, but it's definitely significantly weaker at higher levels
@GMNoob well...I wonder if that's the point where the designers stop caring as much about balacne
they seem to design largely for low level play
 
1:42 PM
They added in "bonus action" specifically because TWF was too powerful.
(And other combinations)
Imagine 16 attacks from a level 20 fighter... lol
 
@GMNoob yeah, and there will be diminishing returns too as there is only so much movement you get
so slash, slash slash...is he dead yet? no? slash slash slash...now? yes, ok moving on, slash, move, slash move, slash move, slash...crap no more movement and no more targets...nap time
 
"no more movement = throw weapon"
 
@GMNoob true, now you're chucking throwing hammers.
 
So interestingly, Mearls said something on twitter which goes against the rules
He said you can sheathe, draw, attack.
 
@GMNoob I generally house rule that you can weapon swap...it's silly to require turn for that
@GMNoob he has said a few times that his answers aren't gospel, that he only informs design intent
 
1:47 PM
@waxeagle Yes, but that means you can attack with rapier, sheath rapier, draw daggers, throw dagger.
 
testing...
Procoptodon was a genus of giant short-faced kangaroo living in Australia during the Pleistocene epoch. P. goliah, the largest known kangaroo that ever existed, stood approximately 2 m (6.6 ft). They weighed about 230 kg (510 lb). Other members of the genus are smaller however and Procoptodon gilli is the smallest of all of the sthenurine kangaroos, standing ~1m tall. Giant short-faced kangaroos had a flat face and forward-pointing eyes. On each foot they had a single large toe somewhat similar in appearance like a horse's hoof. On these unusual feet they moved quickly through the open forests...
\o/
 
nice!
 
@GMNoob not quite though, rapier isn't TWF friendly, but you could do it as your second attack if that worked
 
@waxeagle It's not, but two daggers are.
It seemed like 1 free item was an important balancing factor.
 
1:51 PM
hmm, so a TWF could make 3/4 of their attacks with rapier and attack with daggers for the other one (and bonus), interesting...
hmmm if they start with 2 daggers, there's no problem here, they make their 2 attacks, and can draw the rapier as their interact with object. The next turn though gets iffier
 
Why do they need daggers rather than a rapier?
 
@Mourdos TWF requires light weapons, the rapier isn't light
(and you can chuck daggers, you can't chuck short swords)
 
What edition are we talking here?
 
@Mourdos 5th
 

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