The DMZ

12:01 AM

The programmer calls me up one time and says "so, we've been working on our own in-house CMS," and I interrupt him and say "NOOOOOOOO". And he gets all offended.

He's like, "We've already invested several thousand in this," and I continue "NOOOOOOO" And he's like, I just need to solve this one issue, and I say "Scrap it and install a real CMS. You'll thank me in a year." Not the kind of assistance he was after.

tylerl

12:45 AM

DAMN YOU UBUNTU

strugee

2:18 AM

@tylerl get a real distribution

tylerl

@strugee yeah. Like slackware.

or LFS

strugee

I was going to say Arch but yeah either one works :P

tylerl

Or Gentoo

strugee

never used Slackware but from what I've heard it's real

tylerl

@strugee It's the the old distro still in use

Fun fact: slackware gets its name from the same organization that inspired Hubbard to start Scientology.

strugee

2:21 AM

really? that's interesting

tylerl

Church of the SubGenius

The Church of the SubGenius is an American parody and UFO religion that targets established faiths. It teaches a complex belief system that focuses on J. R. "Bob" Dobbs, purportedly a salesman from the 1950s, who is revered as a prophet by the Church. SubGenius leaders have developed detailed narratives about Dobbs, which are described by commentators as fictional, and his relationship to various gods and conspiracies. Their central deity, Jehovah 1, is accompanied by other gods drawn from ancient mythology and popular fiction. SubGenius literature describes a grand conspiracy that se...

strugee

<troll>you'd think that since Slackware was the oldest it would be the first to have a proper dependency parser but ohhhh no (it still doesn't)</troll>

tylerl

@strugee slackware pre-dates package management.

though I guess it's not unique in that sense

strugee

@tylerl I know but my point was that, assuming that the longer you have been around the closer you are to moving forward in the logical direction (such as package management - and yes I know that assumption doesn't work in practice), Slackware should have been the distribution to introduce package management

tylerl

@strugee Yeah. You're assuming actual forward movement. It is called slackware by no mistake. It's a very laid-back sort of crew. Not the stick-up-the-ass politics of Debian or enterprisey overtones of RedHat or moneybags hidden agenda of Ubuntu. Slackware has a "good enough for us" sort of vibe

strugee

2:38 AM

@tylerl right. the assumption was flawed, that's why I wrapped it in <troll> tags.

tylerl

@strugee well. Excellent work.

strugee

@tylerl hah. dubious work

Gilles

@tylerl Slackware was a good distribution for 1994. What I have against it is that it's still a good distribution for 1994.

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tylerl

@Gilles Yup. That's pretty much where it sits.

Delete:

-4

Q: Help, my mouse is retarded

Yesterday I was using my gaming mouse and I tried to plug it into my Game Boy and it didn't work and it was a Game Boy COLOR. COLOR!COLOR!Why doesn't it work.The mouse cost $10,000 so I bought it, but this is dumb because it doesn't even work on my game cube either.

troll

Gilles

@tylerl yeah, flagged as offensive

strugee

2:50 AM

I never knew mice were related to email spoofing. fascinating

Terry Chia

3:01 AM

@Gilles I'm flagging your face as offensive.

Sorry, what are you guys talking about? I just got in.

strugee

3:25 AM

@TerryChia Slackware

the discussion started when @tylerl complained about Ubuntu and I told him to get a real distribution

Scott Pack

Like Gentoo.

strugee

or LFS/Arch/Slackware (hence the current topic)

Terry Chia

@strugee Are you a masochist?

strugee

@TerryChia it depends which distribution of the above you're talking about

I don't use Linux From Scratch as my daily distribution if that's what you're asking

Terry Chia

@strugee All three of them really. And why are you calling LFS a distribution?

strugee

3:30 AM

@TerryChia good question, maybe meta-distribution.

Scott Pack

Yeah, LFS is just as much a distro as kernel.org is.

Hell, plenty of people argue for Gentoo being a meta-distro.

strugee

I use Arch. I love it so much that I'm planning on giving a talk on it at LinuxFest Northwest

@ScottPack that's how Gentoo itself describes itself

Scott Pack

@strugee But are you really going to trust their word?

strugee

@ScottPack not sure I follow

Scott Pack

Sorry, can't talk. Reading about and discussing the effects of vasectomies on semen in The Comms Room.

Terry Chia

5:40 AM

Man, this article is real bullshit. stormpath.com/blog/…

His solution to Flask's authentication "problem" is to use his company's SaaS for authentication?

tylerl

6:00 AM

dear cPanel. I hate you.

I hope you die in a hostile takeover.

Terry Chia

@tylerl Then what will you do for a living?

tylerl

@TerryChia save other people's asses

fixing technical problems, typically.

Terry Chia

@tylerl Won't there be much less asses that needs saving if cPanel shuts down?

tylerl

doing things their IT team doesn't know how to do. that kind of thing.

Terry Chia

Well, I guess there's always Wordpress.

tylerl

6:05 AM

yes. well cPanel is better than all the competing offerings. but there are a LOT of things I'd change about it if I could (or if they'd actually listen to customers)

One of the things I'd do if I had time is write a hosting control panel system.

but that's several projects out on a long list of todos

Terry Chia

@tylerl In Node.JS?

tylerl

@TerryChia yes, because I don't yet understand the true meaning of anguish

strugee

@tylerl not sure if this qualifies, but: cockpit-project.org looks promising. Red Hat-backed.

(never had the pleasure of using cPanel, so I don't know exactly what it does)

tylerl

@strugee yeah, not quite on the same level.

it's for real admins

strugee

ah well

tylerl

6:09 AM

not people who run SEO shops and want to do their own web hosting

@TerryChia Node.JS: For people who are willing to trade all debugging and error-handling capability just so that they don't have to learn a new language.

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Terry Chia

@tylerl +1

strugee

@tylerl hey, don't talk crap about Node.JS. no matter what you say, Meteor.JS is built on it. and I swear by Meteor.

Terry Chia

@strugee That's a bannable offense around here. ;)

Or at least it should be. :P

tylerl

@strugee Firefox was built in C++, but liking Firefox is not sufficient cause to think C++ was ever a good idea.

strugee

@TerryChia which part?

Terry Chia

6:19 AM

@strugee "Don't talk crap about Node.JS"

That's like... 40% of what we do in this room.

strugee

@TerryChia simpleprogrammer.com/2013/05/06/why-javascript-is-doomed

I didn't say the language didn't have problems, I just said that Meteor is built on it and Meteor is badass

I'm digging my own grave, aren't I.

Terry Chia

@strugee Yes. :P

strugee

not only that, I'm doing it in a chatroom with people who spend their days working with security exploits and things

this is an awful idea

tylerl

@strugee There's only a few people on Sec.SE who spend a large part of their time write exploit code, and I dont typically see them in chat. All the money is on the defense side.

strugee

@tylerl true. I feel much safer :P

kiBytes

6:47 AM

moRning

strugee

morning

Utkarsh

i am waiting the event to start

kiBytes

Hello @Utkarsh, which event?

the QOTW?

strugee

what else?

Utkarsh

@kiBytes yeah

@strugee you use windows or linux?

kiBytes

6:55 AM

@Utkarsh when I asked the question: "what is the QOTW thing?"

I received this response:

Feb 6 at 7:34, by Iszi

@kiBytes Just a weekly guilt trip to remind us of blog entries we're supposed to be doing.

strugee

@Utkarsh I prefer GNU/Linux a thousand times more than Windows

but sadly I'm stuck on an MS box most of the time for school

kiBytes

So, if I were you I won't expect any event coming any minute now

David Freitag

I prefer Windex

strugee

@tylerl I'm only just now realizing I should correct you. a very large portion of Firefox (e.g. all the frontend code) is written in JS

Utkarsh

@strugee me too :)

strugee

6:58 AM

it makes me cry on the inside.

David Freitag

The question is, why does it take a damned eternity to build Firefox?

Utkarsh

@strugee why not use winows in virtualbox?

strugee

@DavidFreitag and more than 4GB if you turn on PGO (which you need to get perf on par with Mozilla builds). the answer is libxul

@Utkarsh because this laptop is the most fucked up laptop you've ever seen

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_13

kiBytes

It is curious, at least, see how Atom ( atom.io ) made by GitHub is not going to be Open Source

strugee

excuse my language. I doubt anyone cares, but...

Terry Chia

7:02 AM

@kiBytes Why does that surprise you? GitHub itself isn't open source.

kiBytes

Yes, but that doesn't surprise, after all is their core business, but the editor?

Utkarsh

@strugee no man!

Terry Chia

Also, that looks like a Sublime Text clone.

Utkarsh

@strugee its a ultrabook?

kiBytes

@TerryChia that's very true

David Freitag

7:03 AM

@strugee It takes hours to build Firefox because of one library?

kiBytes

I believe we will see more sublime clones in the future

Terry Chia

So why not just use ST itself?

strugee

I predict they won't do nearly as well as they could have because they'll fail to develop a very vibrant ecosystem

because it's not free software

@Utkarsh yes

kiBytes

@TerryChia that doesn't annoys me, anyone can use anything, the curious thing is

how a text editor is going to add value to GitHub?

Shouldn't the editor give more value if it was open source?

after all, a lot of people will clone it and maybe a better option may appear...

strugee

@DavidFreitag well, no. that's why it almost takes more than 4GB of memory to build. but the real reason is that there are a bunch of inefficiencies in the Mozilla build system (which are being worked on). plus the fact that libxul, along with the rest of Gecko and SpiderMonkey, is bloody huge and complex

kiBytes

7:06 AM

but then, you see this crap answer to the question:

discuss.atom.io/t/why-is-atom-closed-source/82/8

Utkarsh

@strugee Man! this is my DREAM laptop! I want to have a ULTRABOOk and you hate it? Ridiculous!

kiBytes

"it is not going to be closed source, but it is not going to be open source" WTF?

strugee

@Utkarsh are you kidding?

Utkarsh

@strugee you know, my pc has ponly 1.5 gb ram!

strugee

@Utkarsh ouch. nevermind then. this isn't really something to aim for though. it's barely not on an Atom processor.

Terry Chia

7:07 AM

@kiBytes I don't really care. As long as it works well.

ST works well for me, so I'm using that. It's also as extensible as I want really.

David Freitag

@strugee An Atom processor? And you thought to call it an ultrabook?

kiBytes

@TerryChia for that you can use vim xD

or better yet, you could use ed

Terry Chia

If my primary machine was OS X, I'd be using textmate.

Utkarsh

@strugee no man! Ultrabook!youtube.com/watch?v=oYK9Q1RdG44

►

kiBytes

it works flawlessly

Utkarsh

7:08 AM

see the ad

Terry Chia

@kiBytes PITA. ST works well enough.

Utkarsh

@strugee Oh! its Dell? thought it is HP lol

David Freitag

@TerryChia emacs is too complicated for me, but yet somehow vim isn't

kiBytes

@DavidFreitag you just get use to it, after more than 10 years using it, I still learn new things today, it is SO huge!

David Freitag

@kiBytes TWSS?

Terry Chia

7:10 AM

Also, IntelliJ is my primary development environment nowadays.

David Freitag

since most of my projects in active development are for work Visual Studio is my main

kiBytes

xD

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag VS is the IDE for .NET after all.

kiBytes

Well I use QtCreator as a windows environment and vim for the linux one xD

David Freitag

That and gedit for when i get around to working on my kernel

kiBytes

7:12 AM

vim + ctags

Terry Chia

I primarily write python on linux so IntelliJ is awesome for that.

strugee

@DavidFreitag I thought Ultrabook was a form factor only

David Freitag

@strugee Ultrabook is the power combined with the size

Netbook is the size minus the power

Terry Chia

@strugee Ultrabook is a Intel branding.

kiBytes

@TerryChia I always have the iPython console open

strugee

7:13 AM

@kiBytes or you could use a real editor like Emacs

kiBytes

@strugee I could but I haven't tried to learn it so I am way faster in my vim environment =) (also, I don't have 45 fingers in my hands)

strugee

@DavidFreitag I'm sorry. you hack on a kernel with gedit?

David Freitag

@strugee Hack? No, i work on my kernel.

strugee

@DavidFreitag this would be a netbook.

David Freitag

@strugee Yeppers

strugee

7:15 AM

@DavidFreitag I meant the original form of the word

David Freitag

@strugee Heh, I know what you meant

strugee

@DavidFreitag heh, okay. you can never be sure (I use an unambiguous term for "cracker" but there's no equivalent for the original form)

kiBytes

@strugee Relevant XKCD

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

David Freitag

@strugee You made it seem like you didn't believe me. But trust me it isn't anything special.

strugee

@DavidFreitag failure of textual communication. I did believe you

@kiBytes fun fact: C-x M-c M-butterfly is a real Emacs command

kiBytes

7:21 AM

@strugee yes but that was AFTER the xkcd thing =)

strugee

@kiBytes indeed. Wikipedia has a list of real-life xkcd stuff

David Freitag

@strugee That link made me think of the anarchists cookbook

strugee

@DavidFreitag never heard of that but I can guess what it's about

David Freitag

@strugee About making thermite and fun little devices that can overload large power transformers like the large green ones that supply the juice for a whole neighborhood

strugee

@DavidFreitag oooof course it is

that sounded sarcastic but it wasn't

Terry Chia

7:25 AM

@strugee It's not fun when you explain it.

strugee

@TerryChia ?

I thought it sounded like I didn't believe him

(again)

David Freitag

That's weird, it sounded like Spitfire to me.

kiBytes

I need coffee. later guys

cc:/ @Simon

TO THE MOON

7:37 AM

@LucasKauffman WITH DUBSTEP!

@TildalWave I wonder if the bass from dubstep could act as a viable form of propulsion in space...

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag Ask @TildalWave!

Lucas Kauffman

wob wob wob wob wob

David Freitag

This might sound odd, but the inside of my phone smells like mint.

TildalWave

8:53 AM

@DavidFreitag no

Rоry McCune

9:27 AM

Morning

TildalWave

10:05 AM

morning @RоryMcCune

how's it going?

@DavidFreitag Sorry, I had to run ... the easy answer is no, because there's no matter to allow sound to propagate, but you might be able to excite some reaction mass that you carry on you, say by using resonance chambers, then eject it to gain thrust. But it would be quite inefficient.

kalina

10:45 AM

@RоryMcCune nothing I can contribute to unanswered questions

TildalWave

11:22 AM

@RoryAlsop Yeah we let ourselves go a bit, didn't we? I'll try and tackle a few during the weekend, maybe even find some with upvote-worthy answers ...

I blame ~~December~~ Movember :)

kiBytes

11:33 AM

so

are you ok with the answer to this question?

kalina

so

kiBytes

1

Q: Is Adblock (Plus) a security risk?

My email-provider's website (http://www.gmx.de) recently started linking to the (German) site http://www.browsersicherheit.info/ which basically claims that due to its capabilities to modify a site's appearance, Adblock Plus (and others) might actually be abused for phising. Here's a quote from t...

web-browser phishing browser-extensions threats

kalina

it has come to this?

kiBytes

Yes it is a FUD, but GMX statements are true as well

well, it's fine nevertheless, the answer is not false at all, but I believe is a bit uncomplete...

FEichinger

Meh. The potential for add-ons to exploit their access is universal.

Any add-on could do that, so it's superfluous information, imho. (Although, of course, that might need to be pointed out explicitly for some people. sigh)

AviD

11:38 AM

@TildalWave Another strike against dubstep. It is an inefficient form of propulsion in space.

TildalWave

@AviD might be a good method of scaring the Somalian pirates away tho :)

AviD

@TildalWave Or the Reavers.

Though on second thought, the Reavers probably love the dubstep. They are clearly insane enough.

TildalWave

@AviD you've been watching Firefly haven't you?

Or Serenity?

AviD

heh. Not recently. But talking about space pirates, it was either that, or ice, or Captain Solo. In the context of dubstep, I thought the reavers were the better fit.

TildalWave

@AviD Ice? The Ice Pirates? Geez that's a corny one :) Have you watched Barbarella too?

AviD

11:46 AM

hahaha, yes, yes it is. and yes, yes I did.

TildalWave

well at least you have guts to admit to it :D

AviD

Coincidentally I did just watch Ice Pirates (most of it) recently, it was on the telly in the hotel when I was abroad.

TildalWave

Let me guess ... in Romania?

AviD

ayup

TildalWave

it's actually quite entertaining if you can get past the fact that it's a total crap ... one of those so bad it's good movies like e.g. The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra

AviD

11:54 AM

@TildalWave oh definitely.

it is also the basis for my understanding of time travel.

or rather, time compression.

TildalWave

@AviD it's called time dilation ;)

AviD

oh yes, of course.

obviously I have professor-level understanding of this.

TildalWave

hehe don't we all

AviD

soooooo...... work. hmm.

Rory Alsop

12:22 PM

@TildalWave I always preferred Avon...

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop hmmm I'm not sure what you're referring to ... it's something kinky, right? :)

AviD

@RoryAlsop hey @RoryAlsop. You just got a new fan... or rather, a bunch of teenage fans.

My daughter and her friends just discovered they like some metal.

She was very impressed by the Doktor, of course :-)

Rory Alsop

@AviD Yay! But we do have two sweary songs - as long as that is fine, I'm all good

@AviD of course

@AviD Do you get cool points for having drunk with the Doktor?

AviD

@RoryAlsop hmm yeah, that occured to me - some songs even worse than sweary (Do it on the dance floor?)

Rory Alsop

@AviD that and Burn your Planet I try and avoid letting kids here

the rest are pretty much fine

AviD

12:34 PM

so far she only heard one or two - wasted, and I think Burn the planet

Rory Alsop

if a bit childish :-)

AviD

@RoryAlsop wait, whats wrong with BtP?

Rory Alsop

@AviD let's burn your **** planet

not as rude as dancefloor

M'vy

@CodesInChaos ahah, have you been on the bridge?

AviD

@RoryAlsop ahh, yeah. Not as worried about sweary, its the more... graphic details that I need to avoid.

M'vy

12:35 PM

heya guys

AviD

@RoryAlsop haha, yeah.... as "cool" her old fogey of a dad can be.

M'vy

@RoryAlsop hey you're on spotify :)

with 6 songs labeled as "explicit" btw

Rory Alsop

@M'vy 6???

ah - are some of them the Dancefloor remixes?

M'vy

funnily enough, Burn your f* Planet isn't :P

@RoryAlsop Kontrol, This Kiss, Kmmitment, Slam Trancs, Dreams, Sex on the fancefloor

Adnan

12:51 PM

@Lamia Duuude! Where have you been all these months?

@kiBytes About this. Usually, but not all the time, usually we discuss self-answered questions in the DMZ before writing them. Some members might have some input regarding how to improve on the topic, others might find that other answers already cover the topic.

The whole idea of writing a question and an answer at the same time is to to add missing knowledge to the site. Missing knowledge that you, and others, think it useful.