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4:01 PM
@ScottPack Army + degree.
 
@TerryChia Mandatory conscription?
 
@ScottPack Yep.
 
Ah, that'll do it.
12 month service?
 
@ScottPack 2 years actually.
 
That makes more sense.
12 months doesn't really seem like enough unless you're going after a minimal level of training.
 
4:05 PM
ouch. And then are you done, or do you have continuing training etc?
 
@DavidFreitag That's a bit too wubwub for me. I'm trying to find more Dubstep tracks that I like but it's definitely not my favorite genre.
 
@AviD Couple of weeks every year or something like that.
 
@Simon You're mistaken. There aren't nearly enough wubs in that track
 
lulz
 
@TerryChia ah. same as here.
Dont underestimate how disruptive or annoying that is.
 
4:07 PM
@TerryChia Possible, but the odds are a bit against you. I'd go for 2 months.
 
@Simon umm, what? You keep posting dubstep here and going on and on about how much you like that crap.
 
@AviD Yeah. Definitely not looking forward to it... :(
 
@Terry Even after you finish the course itself, you'd want a couple more weeks to play around the labs.
Seriously, they are very information/experience-rich, way beyond the course itself.
 
Yeah, it's probably the best training course I've taken.
 
@TerryChia The reason I went for 3 months was because I'm working full-time at the same time.
When I think about it, even if I were completely free, I'd go for a minimum of 2 months.
 
4:10 PM
The SANS GPEN course does something similar but the lab environment and structure of the OSCP is much more conducive to that kind of learning.
 
@ScottPack Indeed. I'm resuming it either next month or the month after.
 
@Adnan Hmm.. more to think about then.
 
@TerryChia What's the reason for the 1 month choice? Financial?
 
@Adnan Yeah, was hoping to save on the few hundred $$ if possible.
 
@Adnan I make sure to archive off all the materials I got from that. I should go through them again sometime.
I can probably build out a lab environment of my own sufficient do to a lot of the work without too much trouble.
 
4:13 PM
@TerryChia How much do you actually save from Course+Exam+1 month lab, to Course+Exam+2 months lab?
 
@Adnan $200 I think?
 
@TerryChia Really? Sounds a bit too much. I can't seem to be able to check them
 
Yep, $800 vs $1k.
3 months is $1.15k
 
Yeah, it's gone up quite a lot.
 
@ScottPack @TerryChia Jesus. That's about $200 higher than what I paid. (Too bad I wasted half the lab time, though)
 
4:16 PM
I shouldn't be surprised, it was probably 5 years ago?
I'm guessing
 
@ScottPack It was last year
 
@Simon cc @David - that's just noise </fogey>
 
@RoryAlsop Isn't that kinda the point?
 
@RoryAlsop I'm 19 and I agree with you.
 
Wait, no, I had child and it was warmish. So probably only about 4 years ago.
 
4:17 PM
@Terry and I think I'd have to pay for the PWK upgrade now.
 
cc:/ @Simon
 
@DavidFreitag hmm. I guess Ill try to listen to that again later. Something seems to be wrong with my speakers.
 
@AviD Weird, same here. I played something this morning and it sounded fine. They must have shorted out since.
 
@DavidFreitag I only like melodic choons. None o' that noise stuff
:=P
 
@RoryAlsop I'm a sucker for melodic tunes as well. But sometimes stuff like this helps dissipate some of the monotony of work
 
4:22 PM
@DavidFreitag by replacing it with the monotony of wubwub?
 
@AviD Exactly
 
hahahahaha
 
It allows me to focus on what I'm doing rather than how bored i am
 
@ton.yeung I have ears, I can't enjoy the wubwub.
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Why would I want to listen to a song instrumented by an Impressive Clergyman?
 
4:29 PM
I'm not quite sure if i like it...
 
I'm sorry, I don't have the patience to wait for them to get to the point.
 
@TerryChia it's possible, but very very unlikely
 
I completely destroyed my legs at the gym last night. It's almost comical to try to walk around
 
@DavidFreitag That happened to me the one time I was silly enough to do a routine involving lunges, burpees, and squats. I almost collapsed trying to walk downstairs.
 
@ScottPack I went back to the gym for the first time in nearly three years last night. I spent nearly 90 minutes running. I can't remember, is it good to have your heart rate at 170 or bad?
 
4:43 PM
That sounds like a reasonable target to me.
I think it depends on your overall health.
How long did it take to come back down to normal?
 
Not long. I finished up and walked around letting my legs relax got changed and by the time i was in my car probably about 10 minutes later it was back to normal
 
Not bad. That'll get shorter as your heart gets better.
 
I'm just glad i found the fan button on the damn thing otherwise i would've petered out after the first ten minutes.
Oh, i also found out that i weigh 338lbs last night.
 
Holy shit.
Ok, that's realy good then.
 
4:48 PM
@ton.yeung 6'1"ish
 
@RоryMcCune That's bad ass.
 
@ScottPack is v.cool looking
 
@ton.yeung Meaning I'm very impressed that he was able to comfortably run for that long, maintain a relatively good heartbeat, and cool of so fast. All together speaks highly of his heart health and ability to get back into a routine.
 
I think my goal is somewhere around 280, that's where i was in high school during my football stint
 
That's still pretty beefy for 6'1", depending on muscle mas and whatnots.
@ton.yeung It means he is 6 feet 1 inches tall and weighs 338 US pounds.
 
4:52 PM
@ScottPack It took a while to get warmed up. I was running quite slowly for the first half hour to keep my heart rate at about 165. After that i found that even as the elevation and resistance went up i could run faster and still maintain my 165-168 bpm
 
@DavidFreitag Still pretty good. I'm 5'9" 160 and not in terrible shape, but I'm not sure I could pull that of.
 
@ScottPack I had several months worth of self-generated guilt.
 
Motivating that.
 
I'm so lazy that the only way i get things done is by guilt tripping myself until it happens
@ton.yeung Not particularly. It used to bother me a lot, now i'd just body check you to show you that being three times your weight really isn't an issue.
Or, at least threaten to do it
 
right! home time!
 
4:59 PM
You could probably throw me off balance. I've never really had great balance
 
@ton.yeung - You do judo or something?
 
@DavidFreitag That's pretty much how I've been trying to do my thesis for the last n+1 years.
Remember, if the other guy is bigger than you always go for the knees.
I recommend going for the xiphoid process instead.
 
5:15 PM
@ScottPack I'm a bit too sedentary, but can still run happily for 6 hours or so without getting too out of breath. I do end up hurting my joints/feet/etc so my guess is that I'm healthy enough from a cardio perspective, but old and wizened from a skeletal point of view
@David - but on running my heart rate never gets above 150
I can have it sit at 180 when I cycle, but I just can't physically run fast enough to get my heart rate to spike
 
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@DavidFreitag I do eliptical running fairly often and I do a target heart rate when running of around 170 to 180
but it depends on your age
target heart rate goes down with age
and speed you are running makes a big difference too in what your heart rate and endurance would be
granted, I'm not in the best shape though, but I'm able to do 30 minute runs without discomfort if I'm not trying to push my speed up
 
5:33 PM
@AJHenderson 22
When i started running i overestimated the speed i should run at and my heart rate spiked to nearly 180 and i felt like i was dieing.
 
hmm, at 22 your heart rate should be able to go higher before you feel like you are dieing
22 I think the target heartrate for a good work out is like 185 or 190
but I forget the exact numbers
I think it is something like start at 195 and subtract the number of years over 20
though that would be a strenuous work out
 
@AJHenderson You have to remember, it's been three years since i have exercised. Also I think my weight had a contribution
 
yeah, it's harder at first
it gets a lot easier pretty quickly though
particularly if you push yourself well (but don't over do it)
when I started, I was 5 ft 11, 230 pounds and couldn't run for 2 minutes at 6mph on the eliptical without being out of breath
 
It really wasn't that difficult. The worst part was my feet started to hurt pretty bad almost immediately. My current arch supports are pretty much toast
 
now I am still around the same weight, but I can run at a speed of 7 for 30 minutes without problem or a speed of 9.5 for 8 minutes and then another 8 minutes at 6.5 after 5 minutes of fast walking around 4 without being too horribly dead at the end
yeah, I recommend starting on an eliptical
all the cardio goodness without the impacts
 
5:40 PM
I did
My knees and back can't take the impact of a treadmill
 
I'm actually close to starting my strength training to build up my joints a bit more for dealing with actually running
because I'm getting to around my endurance goals
I need to be able to run a mile and a half in 12:35
even within the first month (running 2 to 3 times a week) I was already not getting most of the nausea and my breathing was getting easier
though, I also drink gatorade when running since I'm not doing it to lose weight (and teh electrolytes are a BIG help)
 
I'm not sure how far i ended up running in place, i was in agony by the time i was done. If it weren't for my feet i probably could've kept going if not done some lifting as well as cardio
 
6:06 PM
So... this:
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A: How to use encryption on proprietary software

tylerlYes, it's possible to trust companies. You do it all the time. If you use Windows, you're trusting Microsoft very heavily. Same goes for Apple if you use any of their products. When you use HTTPS you're trusting a whole raft of Certificate Authorities, most of whom you've never heard of before. ...

Which ends with this:
> And asking for trust advice in an anonymous forum on the Internet carries a certain irony that can't be ignored.
Which is about as nice as I could put it.
 
:P
You got me by 1 min
 
 
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7:48 PM
somebody lend me a pair of eyes, does this actually have anything to do with sql injection (or anything else security related), or is it just a how-to-sql question (which should have been on SO)?
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Q: MSSQL injection convert syntax error

sssI just setup a test bed and i disabled information_schema from being accessed (a weak waf) and i've been trying to extract the table list from the database by using convert to spit out a conversion error with the contained information. To extract the version we use the syntax: +and+1=convert(int,...

 
@AviD well it's kind of SQL Injection related in that he's using Error based SQLi with a specific restriction enforced and wondering if he can induce an error message which will actually provide him with schema information..
 
kinda/sorta/-ish. I'm not even sure its error based sqli, as oppossed to just an error he is getting in his sql.... see some of his other questions.
this one was questionable to me, the others not so much.
 
@AviD sure his goal is error based SQLi , as you say it may be not be what he's actually seeing.
 
but, context aside, the actual question he is asking here - sec.se question? methinks its still an SO question.
hmm. contrasting this to a network type q, it would be the same as "I implemented some firewall rules, but they are not working right".
which would be an SF q.
 
@AviD not sure really. his goal is to exploit something, which sounds fairly Sec.SE'y
.
if it were purely a SQL error message Q then SO material
 
8:03 PM
fine. "I have a metasploit exploit ready, but its giving me an error" -> SU.
 
@AviD Rly?
 
context is the past few days he's asked a handful of pure SQL q's here, instead of SO.
 
that would go down like a lead balloon on SU
 
@RоryMcCune "How to" are usually offtopic here..... no?
@RоryMcCune but its not about the exploit, its about whatever app he's trying to run.
 
@AviD well I'm a terrible person to ask, I'm a liberal when it comes to these things :)
for me if it relates to things that a security person is more likely to know about it's a Sec.SE q rather than a migrate
 
8:04 PM
whatever, nevermind... its a problematic user, I think thats his only non-closed question.
 
but I'm fairly sure that puts me in a minority :)
 
@RоryMcCune I can agree with that, when its borderline. Though SQL errors are just as likely (if not more) for a programmer.
 
@AviD sure but I'd guess that a questions about error based SQLi wouldn't fly well on SO
 
yeah. Well, it would fly, but probably get crap answers. then again, his q isnt really about SQLi, he just happened to be doing SQLi (ostensibly) when he ran across this.
 
@AviD heh I can tell you're not convinced, but then you're the mod you can always punt it, I'm afraid at least one of your fellow mods is off being a rock god tonight, so harder to get a second opinion...
 
8:08 PM
@RоryMcCune oo fun. Actually its not about punting, since that is not available as an option.
 
@AviD ah I thought you could fire it at SO and let God sort it out.
 
@RоryMcCune normally I could, but SO is blocking this question. So I could just hammer it, but meh.
 
8:21 PM
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Q: simple setuid binary exploitation

Mohamed Ali JamaouiI have a setuid program which is listing a file this way: #include <stdlib.h> #include <stdio.h> int main(void) { system("ls /challenge/binary/binary1/.passwd"); return 0; } What I need is to get the program to disclose the content of the file instead of simply listing its nam...

superuser?!?
 
wasnt me. but I agree with migrating it.
though perhaps unix.se would have been a better choice...
 
@AviD well not superuser I wouldn't have thought c coding was on-topic there..
 
I guess thats what happens when you migrate during a concert.
he's not asking anything about security, he's asking a pure linux question to help him do a security thingie.
@RоryMcCune yeah, I dont think it has much to do with the code either.
He is trying to get ls to do something different.
I think the "alias" part is the core of the question.
 
@AviD looks to me like an Infosec students homework problem
 
Your mom is an infosec student's homework problem.
 
8:26 PM
heh, probably
@ScottPack convoluted, man. but still fine.
 
Maybe he was scoped to perform a penetration test.
 
yes yes, your mom is convoluted.
and yes, your mom is still fine.
 
@AviD C is on-topic neither on SU nor on U&L, but U&L would have a higher tolerance, and the answer is clearly within U&L's remit
 
2 mins ago, by AviD
@RоryMcCune yeah, I dont think it has much to do with the code either.
 
are you going to flag to reject the migration? Otherwise I'll answer
oh, M'vy already answered in a comment
 
8:29 PM
@Gilles nah, I dont want it to come back!
@Gilles yeah, he's obviously trying to abuse someone else.
 
@AviD no, just doing homework
(unless by “abuse” you mean “get someone to do his homework”)
 
The autotranslate is fun
 
level one apparently, so he's not doing so well so far..
 
> I dry for a long time on the binary1 wargame. Actually I do not see what we can do. Even if I do not control too much, I do not see how you can make BufferOverflow or operate the executable.
I also tried some shell commands to see if through the binary1 allowed to view the contents of the password file password but obviously I do not have sufficient permissions.
All this without success.
Is what I am on the right track or is what I am next to the plate? ^ ^
If you could give me a hint or a track, I thank you in advance:)
 
8:52 PM
Have I ever mentioned how much I love when someone says "X isn't installed on system Y" and dir C:\X.exe /s turns up more than one result on system Y?
 
does anyone have any links for the nebula capture the flag?
it's being recommended to me as a good one to read up on
 
I'd start with this one. bit.ly/1dFHhxW
 
oh bit.ly, I wonder if that's a short url for the ultimate pretentious website
 
It's hard to say.
 
did you actually try Googling it?
 
9:07 PM
Yes
 
I think lmgtfy links are disrespectful and should be discouraged
 
9:33 PM
@deed02392 I agree. lmbtfy links should be preferred.
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9:46 PM
@deed02392 I don't think it's pretentious, in your case it's just saying: "google it yourself, you lazy bumb"
 
10:03 PM
@LucasKauffman I found it insulting because I had Google'd it and could not see what I was looking for
 
@AviD Does that mean I need to watch all the other seasons?
 
I dont understand.
 
@AviD Is it a good show?
(Never seen it.)
 
@Xander terrible.
well that is, the first season was fantastic.
 
10:11 PM
@AviD And then it went downhill?
 
the first half of the second season was building up to be even better, then a sharp drop, then the next couple seasons were awful.
still, pretty great all around.
I guess I gotta watch that again.
 
@AviD Ah, interesting. Well, I'll have to keep the early ones in mind then, if I run out of shows.
 
@Xander dont wait. even though the later seasons are a severe disappointment.
 
K
 
though to be fair to them, the middle of the 2nd season was cut off by the Great Writers Strike of '07. They tried to continue without them, but they never really recovered.
 
10:38 PM
@AviD Ah! That explains it.
 
11:32 PM
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