The DMZ

kiBytes

6:47 AM

morning

TheRookierLearner

7:13 AM

Morning!

@kiBytes - U from around Indian subcontinent?

kiBytes

No, from Spain

TheRookierLearner

Ok.

¡Buenos días! :)

kiBytes

what was the thing that lead you to think I am Indian?

my English level? xD (sorry for that, I really try to improve it!)

TheRookierLearner

LoLzz no.. It was morning in India too when you pinged (around 11 am)

kiBytes

7:47 here =D

TheRookierLearner

7:20 AM

I am from India (currently in US).

kiBytes

I meant when I pinged xD now it is 8:20 =)

So it is late over there xD

TheRookierLearner

Whoa! You sure get up early xD

Ya, its around 2:21 AM

Rоry McCune

7:32 AM

Morning all

TildalWave

morning @RоryM you're early today

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave yeah, got a test to start today, so nmap scans ho! (external Inf job)

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune nice, I always liked starting fresh projects

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave I know what you mean. This one should be pretty straightforward but still never know I might find something interesting..

TildalWave

that's the spirit :)

Rory Alsop

8:33 AM

morning all

Rory - did you guys see the aurora from over your way last night?

we tried but too much light pollution

apparently it was seen as far south as Somerset

Andalur

I've just posted an answer to security.stackexchange.com/questions/52361/… yesterday and I'm totally overwhelmed how much attention this got...

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop hand a look but unfortunately not, not sure if it was just the angle or not vis from here, was relatively clear so I'd have though we should....

Rory Alsop

9:08 AM

@Andalur - it is a topic which is close to many people's hearts, and while your answer isn't 100% true (there is obviously that risk from any add-on or extension) it is a pragmatic and sensible answer.

in summary - good work :-)

kiBytes

@Andalur it is a great and concise answer (as @RoryAlsop has told you), but the other answer is great also since it complements very good your very response

In fact yesterday I was talking here about that =)

@Andalur: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/14011937#14011937

Rory Alsop

that is another good reason why there has been so much attention: 2 answers which have, on the face of it, opposing content. It always helps where folks can agree with one or the other:-)

I have upvoted both as they are both broadly correct

kiBytes

@RoryAlsop did that, been there =)

Rory Alsop

@kiBytes - I hadn't realised I missed that conversation yesterday. I saw the dubstep wubwub chat, but somehow missed the on-topic stuff :-)

kiBytes

dubstep? go for electroswing!

9_9

Rory Alsop

9:20 AM

that may be better (I don't know what electroswing is, but it must be better than dubstep)

kiBytes

@RoryAlsop youtube.com/watch?v=tJFrqOMgvBI

Rory Alsop

morning @kalina :-)

kalina

o/

Rory Alsop

@kiBytes - at work, so can't check that out until later

kiBytes

don't worry I believe you are not really missing anything =)

Andalur

9:36 AM

@RoryAlsop Well it doesn't sounds good, at least for a synthpop-fan like I am.

kiBytes

ok, now I need an example of synthpop xD

Andalur

@kiBytes Depeche Mode, OMD, a-ha, Kraftwerk etc. pp.

kiBytes

@Andalur I can enjoy that as well, but I am not in the mood xD

Rоry McCune

This morning I'm mostly doing a 70's thing at the moment it's the Jam and Eton Rifles.

Rory Alsop

Oooo - nice

Had a 4 hour band meeting last night, sat in Bannermans in Edinburgh, and the jukebox there is awesome. Vinnie Moore, Judas Priest, Ministry, Metallica, Pantera, GWAR, Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam... etc

Andalur

9:44 AM

GWAR lol

kiBytes

9:54 AM

I am more into jazz, soul, blues, you know the 50's, 60's stuff...

40's...

Andalur

Well 40's music isn't so good in Germany :D

kiBytes

and electro-derivates xD (but I can enjoy anything, even dubstep and hip-hop)

@Andalur Mein Musik xD

Rory Alsop

Blues is definitely my genre of choice, and blues based rock/metal work for me too. All the stuff I play in the band is actually blues based

GWAR are fun live. Not really my kind of music (a bit too heavy and shouty for me) but they do a good stage show

kiBytes

@RoryAlsop I think I'm hooked with the electrostatic noise of the old recordings I like that for some reason...

Rory Alsop

yeah - I still have an old tape deck that I love the sound of

and I miss my old radiogram for vinyl

Terry Chia

9:59 AM

God you guys are sounding so old right now...

kiBytes

Ok, I don't need that, I'm ok with my spotify account and the mp3 versions of old recordings (I find the vinyl-vintage stuff a bit of a hype)

Great music is always young =D, no matter the age =)

Rоry McCune

►

never gets old..

Rory Alsop

Vinyl is good. Live is good. Produced studio material can be good, but often loses energy/warmth

mp3's can be good at sensible bit rates, but devices such as all Apple products have really bad mp3 fidelity

good MP3 players are so much better

kiBytes

I don't know @RoryAlsop , I believe in Nyquist-Shannon...

Rory Alsop

NS works - yes, but ipods have such poor reproduction that NS doesn't really come into it

kiBytes

10:07 AM

Well I guess that it really depends on the chipset, I read an article once

Rory Alsop

the physics around needle rates etc for vinyl produce such an amazing warmth

yes it does. Apple have not gone down the route of high quality audio

unfortunately

they have gone down the bare minimum consumer acceptable route

kiBytes

it talked about Apple changing the chipset from one which was great to another that it is just fine...

Rory Alsop

just fine may be an overstatement

kiBytes

I can't remember the iPod or iPhone version

Rory Alsop

their cost savings were impressive

Terry Chia

10:08 AM

@RoryAlsop The iPhone 4 has a damn good DAC chip. As do most of the older iPods.

Rory Alsop

and many normal humans don't care about audio fidelity, so the model works

Terry Chia

It's the amp thats lacking, but you can always use an external one if you really care.

Rory Alsop

@Terry - hmmm. I'm tempted to entirely disagree with you, but while at work I'll struggle to pull the data

Andalur

@TerryChia External amp on iPod?

Rory Alsop

it's an 'okay' implementation

kiBytes

10:10 AM

@RoryAlsop I match that definition, I am ok as long as the sound is fine enough

For my standards my iPhone 4S sounds fine with spotify in max quality

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Well, damn good as far as consumer products go. It doesn't compare to the audiophile type players but those are clunky.

Rory Alsop

In most cases I would rather not listen at all, than listen to something with sound quality that I dislike

I don't listen to the radio at all

I only ever use my phone for audio if someone is trying to indicate a band I may wish to listen to, or there is a backing track I need to learn

kiBytes

@RoryAlsop I am ok with the radio most of the time, but It is true that some songs sound really bad...

kalina

apparently I'm so tired I can't even spell my own name today

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop That's.... really extreme. I care about SQ (I'm using expensive in ears after all....) but outside noise really cancels out the minor stuff.

Rory Alsop

10:12 AM

In the car I have my empeg, which has audio reproduction so far in advance of anything else I can buy that I don't see any alternative (in fact I bought 3 so I can have one at home and a spare in case of damage)

It's one of those areas I am a bit annoying about, I think. It's just an area that is so easy to get right if companies are willing to spend a bit, that it frustrates me that they don't offer decent sound quality as standard

And my lead singer is so much more extreme than me. At home he only uses Genelec speakers that cost many thousands each - specifically for their flat response, hooked in with a sound system that costs a year's salary....

(to be fair - he does produce some excellent sound for the band, so he must know his stuff)

kiBytes

My car has a professional audio system (BMW) I don't really know how good it is from an expert point of view

Rory Alsop

@Terry - to be honest, I never really liked radio anyway - too much talking. I did enjoy it when I was little and made my own cats whisker set,but that's different

Terry Chia

@kiBytes If it's those consumer type ones, probably really bad.

Rory Alsop

BMW have pretty good speakers, but the actual audio kit is about average

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Heyyyy, no one is talking about radio. I agree that sucks. :P My setup is my iPhone 5s hooked up to my Westone 4 reshelled customs.

kiBytes

10:17 AM

@TerryChia it does sound great (from my point of view, of course) it even has HiFi loudspeaker and built in equalizer

Unfortunately the car doesn't have the best acoustic or outside noise isolation...

Andalur

@kiBytes Well, my smartphone has an equalizer too, but if I use the internal speaker it sounds of course terrible.

Rory Alsop

I generally think that individuals should have a sound system that sounds good to them, but I wish manufacturers could provide better for those that want it without ramping the cost up to stupid amounts

@kiBytes - BMW's tend to be okay at noise reduction/soundproofing. What model do you have

kiBytes

@RoryAlsop That is exactly what I think, I really envy people who has this extra perception with the sound

Lucas Kauffman

@kiBytes envy

kiBytes

@LucasKauffman I must say that I bought it last september and it is the 2003 model

Lucas Kauffman

10:23 AM

@kiBytes ah :p

kiBytes

And I still find myself a bit uncomfortable when talking about it and the amount of attention it drags...

Lucas Kauffman

@kiBytes do you have a bluetooth earpiece?

those are mandatory with that type of car

kiBytes

But it is great!

Lucas Kauffman

:P

kiBytes

but I haven't got the bluetooth earpiece XD it has the mic integrated in the steerwheel and all the stuff...

Lucas Kauffman

10:25 AM

@RoryAlsop We wanted to rent a Golf here in Norway but got a free upgrade to a Volvo V40, the sound in there is just magnificent

kiBytes

on the other hand, since my standards for music quality are lower than the hifi guys

I can enjoy music in most places xD

now, how can I remove some chat lines? xD

Well I will flag a few since I prefer not bringing my car thing with the kibytes profile

Thank you to the guy that removed it =)

Andalur

You know that this is security SE, where people should know beforehand what kind of private information to post and what not?^^

Rоry McCune

@kiBytes you're right if I drove a Bugatti Veyron like you I'd probably want not to see a record of that too

:)

kiBytes

@Andalur yes but it is also a friendly site, if I think about this I don't really have a problem with that, but I just prefer random people not knowing that

> Your recent moderator chat flag was inappropriate and declined. Please use moderator flags in chat only in very serious situations.

Ok =)

I will keep that in mind for the next time...

kalina

10:55 AM

GUYS IT'S QUESTION OF THE WEEK TIME

QUESTION

OF

THE

WEEK

Rоry McCune

@kalina nicely volunteered there

@RoryAlsop look a volunteer

kalina

no.

Rоry McCune

@kalina you mention it, you volunteer, those are the rules

kalina

listen, if you want My Little Pony fanfics on your blog, then sure, let's do this

Rоry McCune

did you not wonder why the DMZ was always so quite at those times

@kalina don't try that I've seen you post techy stuff

kalina

10:56 AM

but I assure you, it will be your fault, not mine

Rоry McCune

you can do a post on SQL server security

kalina

pssh, you've never seen me post anything technical

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah that SQL query thing on SO

kalina

that was casual stuff

certainly nothing technical there

all children over the age of 5 should be able to do that

Rоry McCune

sounded technical to me

ManishEarth

10:58 AM

io9.com/…

bitelabs.org

wut

Rоry McCune

@kalina and if it's so easy you should be able to do a great blog post on it :op

@ManishEarth I didn't need to know that existed... eww!

2

kalina

3 mins ago, by kalina

no.

Rоry McCune

@kalina rulebreaker

kiBytes

You guys accept a more business approach security topic for the QOTW?

I have a little paper ongoing (in Spanish) that I could translate into English for your blog

Also we could prepare something different for April the first

Rory Alsop

QoTW should have been published now

kiBytes

11:03 AM

(something like It is time to roll your own)

TRiG

@RоryMcCune Quite what? ;)

Rory Alsop

I finished it off yesterday and think I scheduled it correctly - might be 1pm, not sure

might be in 1 hour ...

Rоry McCune

@TRiG thank you typosville fill in the blanks...

Rory Alsop

I'm not quite time-synched today

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop rdate -s ntp.rory.net

Rory Alsop

11:05 AM

from this iPad?

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop well it can have an SSH client :)

TRiG

This image stays roughly in sync with the day (assuming the Earth continues spinning). Shortcut: xkcd.com/now

Rory Alsop

it doesn't

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop well I did say "can have" :) You mean that $employer don't realise that all iPads need SSH clients!

Tsch

Rory Alsop

hahahaha @TRiG. Yes, I know that, I'm just not with clock/ntp/watch/phone and I know that the DMZ clock may not be my local clock

$employer may notcare, and $me might not want to have to use the iPad any more than necessary

Rоry McCune

11:07 AM

@RoryAlsop serfish.com/console

there you go web based SSH

I'm sure that's completely trustworthy

Rory Alsop

lol

kiBytes

@RоryMcCune "
IMPORTANT NOTE: When using the consoleFISH (or any other web SSH client) you have to be aware of the fact that all data you send is available in unencrypted form at the tunnelling server, where (theoretically) it could be read. **It is thus important that you trust our security policies** when connecting to your servers via the secure shell client provided on this site. For further details please consult our notes on web shell security."

Rоry McCune

@kiBytes yeah at least they're saying explicitly "you have to trust us"

kiBytes

That is, completely trustworthy, they can't be lying xD

Rоry McCune

bet you it still doesn't stop people using it for sensitive stuff

kiBytes

11:11 AM

I have opened a bug today in one of our systems

it seems like they have to use both private key and certificate to sign some data and store the serial number of the certificate used

but they really don't bother to verify that the certificate they are reading the serial from correspond to the private key they are using

so I was making a test (and I didn't really know how this stuff was working) and I changed only the private key

and the system was telling me that everything was smooth and great but when verifying the signature with another application an alarm arise

Well, the responsible of the system thinks that it is not a bug and that I am very picky

:(

Rory Alsop

@kalina - thanks for volunteering to help with blog posts :-)

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Have you not noticed how @AviD is always missing when it comes to QOTW time?

Rory Alsop

heh - it's Friday, isn't that the weekend there?

kiBytes

It is carnival (mardi gras) this weekend in Spain =D

kalina

@RoryAlsop hey once you approve my flags I get the deputy badge

Terry Chia

11:20 AM

@RoryAlsop DENY! DENY!

kalina

...

Rоry McCune

@kalina .. .... ..

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune ... .. ... .. ...

kalina

what can I say, site #21st deputy

FEichinger

@kalina cheeeeevooooo whoooooore

AviD

11:46 AM

@TerryChia hahahaha, as @RoryAlsop says it is weekend.... I spend most of the day upstairs cleaning, cooking, and kidsing.

Terry Chia

@AviD Write the damn post and I'll stop bugging you. ;)

Rory Alsop

@kalina - dammit, if I'd known that...

it's okay - I think I rejected 1 of them

AviD

@TerryChia im sure I dont know what we're talking about 0:-)

kalina

@RoryAlsop now now, if you start rejecting them just because I'm the one raising them I'll take it personally

Rory Alsop

heh

I think you know how I approach them. That said, It doesn't tell who raised them, but it is obvious which ones are yours :-)

kalina

11:48 AM

only because of my unique style

Terry Chia

10

A: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

While my question did not receive a shocking amount of traffic, I think the implications of it are shocking: Authenticating a Proxy server over HTTPS I think corporate types installing authenticated proxies all over their networks would be interested in knowing this... P.s. I could try to fi...

;)

AviD

1 min ago, by AviD

@TerryChia im sure I dont know what we're talking about 0:-)

Terry Chia

38 secs ago, by Terry Chia

10

A: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

While my question did not receive a shocking amount of traffic, I think the implications of it are shocking: Authenticating a Proxy server over HTTPS I think corporate types installing authenticated proxies all over their networks would be interested in knowing this... P.s. I could try to fi...

kalina

22 secs ago, by Terry Chia

38 secs ago, by Terry Chia

10

A: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

While my question did not receive a shocking amount of traffic, I think the implications of it are shocking: Authenticating a Proxy server over HTTPS I think corporate types installing authenticated proxies all over their networks would be interested in knowing this... P.s. I could try to fi...

Terry Chia

Hahahaha!

Rоry McCune

11:50 AM

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo‌oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

AviD

hehe, not this again

FEichinger

Nested quotes are the best.

kalina

I think you meant to say:

23 secs ago, by FEichinger

Nested quotes are the best.

FEichinger

No, no.

I meant to say this:

23 secs ago, by kalina

23 secs ago, by FEichinger

Nested quotes are the best.

kalina

oic

you mean like this?

14 secs ago, by FEichinger

23 secs ago, by kalina

23 secs ago, by FEichinger

Nested quotes are the best.

FEichinger

11:51 AM

No, more like this:

Terry Chia

@FEichinger Oi, stop it or I'll start spamming "fire" all the time.

FEichinger

20 secs ago, by kalina

14 secs ago, by FEichinger

23 secs ago, by kalina

23 secs ago, by FEichinger

Nested quotes are the best.

kalina

@TerryChia fire?

fire!

FEichinger

... Oh, great, fire pinging.

kalina

@fei

fire

well that got boring quickly

FEichinger

11:53 AM

Three-letter and fire pinging?

kalina

you're too slow, this conversation was closed as too boring

FEichinger

Psh.

kalina

flagged as psh'ing in public

FEichinger

♥

kalina

flagged as inappropriate unicode

now that I know you have a button for it, it means nothing

you might as well be sending whitespace to chat

FEichinger

11:56 AM

@kalina You're just trying to make me cry again, aren't you?

kalina

I don't "try"

I either want you to cry and you're already crying

or you're not crying and I don't want you to

FEichinger

... That's probably true, yes.

Stack Exchange

Stack Exchange Security Blog: QoTW #50: Does password protecting the BIOS help in securing sensitive data

roryalsop on February 28, 2014

Camil Staps asked this question back in April 2013, as although it is generally accepted that using a BIOS password is good practice, he couldn’t see what protection this would provide, given, in his words, “…there aren’t really interesting settings in the BIOS, are there?”

While Camil reckoned that the BIOS only holds things like date and time, and enabling drives etc., the answers and comments point out some of the risks, both in relying on a BIOS password and in thinking the BIOS is not important! …

kiBytes

Could somebody explain me how this QoTW works?

How can I propose one, how can I vote for one

and all that stuff?

Rory Alsop

that link higher up that @Terry posted about @AviD - is a meta post collecting questions. It should explain it.

19

Q: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

Since starting the Security Stack Exchange Blog on 15 July 2011 we have some excellent blog posts, and a large number of these are from our Question of the Week posts. Going forwards, it is probably simplest to post your favourite Questions of the week as answers on this question, and vote for yo...

kiBytes

12:08 PM

I have read that and I still have the same questions:

Rory Alsop

write an answer suggesting questions you would like to see on the blog

kiBytes

1. How do I propose a QOTW? Just proposing one at meta? Is there any weekly question on META? Should we use always the same?

Rory Alsop

vote ones up or down

always use that one. Once they get posted I delete them off from the answers on that meta question

kiBytes

@RoryAlsop ah, ok

so in that very same thread I can add an answer

and it gets voted until it is published or ignored forever

Rory Alsop

yup

kalina

12:10 PM

wooo

things to downvote

downvotes all the things

kiBytes

downvote this @kalina!

kalina

@kiBytes downvotes @kiBytes

kiBytes

0

A: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

I propose a question regarding this topic: Is Adblock (Plus) a security risk? The article itself doesn't need to center itself in the AdBlock thing, but it really can go further into the security implications about browser's plugin. I would love to help with the writing =)

so @RoryAlsop I believe that is the way more or less...

Terry Chia

@kiBytes Yep, now go write it up. ;)

kiBytes

@TerryChia I will, eventually =)

Is there any License thing with the writings?

Because I may use it for my blog-to-be thing

(in Spanish)

Terry Chia

12:21 PM

@kiBytes CC license like all SE content I believe.

I usually cross post the stuff I write on my own blog.

kiBytes

@TerryChia ah, ok, great I am trying to collaborate with a "serious" published magazine in Spain so I wouldn't like to have problems with the Licenses (if I cross-post, publish any)

Terry Chia

@kiBytes Better clarify with @RoryAlsop though.

kiBytes

I will when the time comes =)

DaveRandom

12:36 PM

6

Q: What's the correct way to verify an SSL certificate in Win32?

I want to verify an SSL certificate in Win32 using C++. I think I want to use the Cert* API so that I can get the benefit of the Windows certificate store. This is what I've come up with. Is it correct? Is there a better way to do this? Am I doing anything wrong? bool IsValidSSLCertificate(...

c++ windows winapi ssl ssl-certificate

500 free stack overflow rep for a good answer in the next 23 hrs^^

Sorry to spam it in here but I really don't want to have to award the bounty to the only answer that's currently on there

Rory Alsop

@kiBytes - then when you go to the security.blogoverflow.com site I think you can use OpenID to register. Check to see if you can set yourself up as a contributor role - if not, I can change a subscriber to a contributor very easily

@DaveR - good call.
Guys -go give Dave some good answers, stat!

DaveRandom

By the way, I know it's Windows and I can only apologise :-P

Terry Chia

@DaveRandom It's not so much Windows as C++. :P

C++ is awful. ;)

DaveRandom

@TerryChia not that I particularly wish to get involved in language wars, but your preferred option would be...?

Terry Chia

@DaveRandom I really rather just use C for low level stuff. :P

DaveRandom

12:45 PM

@TerryChia Oh right OK, well actually my specific use case is C, although you won't like that use case either

(PHP src)

Terry Chia

@DaveRandom Ah see, that leaves you wide open to mocking in this room. ;)

Ok, I'm done kidding. /backtowork

DaveRandom

@TerryChia I am fully aware of that, I don't pretend otherwise :-P although in fairness, the whole point of this exercise is to make PHP's core security better, hence github.com/DaveRandom/php-src/commit/… is my real use case, but since my verify code is almost identical to that question I bountied the linked q instead of asking a new one

I'm basically leveraging openssl.org/docs/ssl/SSL_CTX_set_cert_verify_callback.html to get at the Windows native cert store

Adnan

@TerryChia Apparently, since I got the OSCP course between 01 July 2013 and 31 October 2013, I can upgrade to PWK for $50 only. Sweet!

Terry Chia

@Adnan Ah neat!

kiBytes

going home now, later!

Adnan

12:56 PM

@kiBytes See you!

Adnan

1:30 PM

I find it amusing that Durex condoms were made by a company called SSL International. You know, SSL, for extra protection.

4

Ah, I'm easily amused.

3

Scott Pack

@deed02392 They're also amusing.

@AviD I wonder if "Heroes: Reborn" is code for "Heroes: With Actual Planning"

Adnan

@ScottPack Actually, I have to agree with @deed02392. It's kind of assholish to reply with lmgtfy links to the regulars here.

It's safe to assume that the asker had indeed Googled the issue already.

Scott Pack

To be fair, I also don't do that to people that I don't have some level of comfort with. I.e. I wouldn't have done it to a non-regular.

Also. Agreeing? With somebody other than me? What are you? Some kind of sociopath?

Adnan

@ScottPack Good one.

No, actually, it's pretty good :D

Scott Pack

I appreciate the encouragement, it's still early. I've only started my first cup.

Terry Chia

2:02 PM

@ScottPack Taken out of context, that sounds really funny.

AJ Henderson

2:16 PM

@Adnan and just like SSL, the protection fails quickly if you don't cover the whole thing

or if you poke a bunch of holes in it

Terry Chia

@Adnan What happens if someone uses sslstrip? ;)

David Freitag

@TerryChia That person might get pregnant.

AJ Henderson

@TerryChia depends, if they misuse your "information" or leave any viruses behind

David Freitag

So i get to spend a fair portion of today training some people from NASA

3

cc:/ @ScottPack @RoryA @Adnan

Iszi

@DavidFreitag What sort of training? And where?

David Freitag

2:24 PM

I mean, it's only NASA langley so it isn't like i'm going to be hanging out with rocket scientists all day...

@Iszi Training them on the specifications of one of our Instruments

Iszi

@DavidFreitag Ew. I don't need to know the specs of your "instrument", thanks. I don't even think I want to know why NASA wants to know.

3

David Freitag

@Iszi They're going to be buying a bucket load of our hypoxia simulators. Apparently NASA wants to start training regular commercial pilots like they do with Airforce and Navy pilots

Terry Chia

@Iszi It may be good martian bait.

Scott Pack

@DavidFreitag That's not true. She'll leave you empty and alone when you need her most.

David Freitag

@ScottPack I wouldn't know, but i suppose you reach the bottom of the bottle eventually

Scott Pack

2:32 PM

For sufficiently short definitions of "eventually".

Adnan

@DavidFreitag Oh yeah, your hypoxia simulators. My ex would kill to try one of those.

Rory Alsop

hypoxia simulator

Terry Chia

Man, Mt Gox has become a real funny story. :P

Adnan

@TerryChia Do tell/link.

Terry Chia

@Adnan They lost over 400 mil worth of BTC and is filing for bankruptcy.

Lucas Kauffman

2:38 PM

They lost all money

Adnan

(I lost about 12k EUR with them, by the way. Motherduckers!)

Scott Pack

@Adnan What? You mean a belt?

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan you had your coins with Gox?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Ouch....

Lucas Kauffman

guess no beers huh :(

Adnan

2:39 PM

@ScottPack Believe it or not, it doesn't work as efficiently as hands. Using your hands, you can balance the pressure on the air ways and the major arteries to achieve the best result.

@LucasKauffman Only about 35 BTC.

Scott Pack

At the expense of telltale bruising.

Adnan

@ScottPack You see, that's the thing. She loved being asked about the bruises on her neck and wrists.

Scott Pack

Goddamnit @tylerl!

Adnan

Some people, they're just difficult to understand.

@TerryChia I kind of deserve it. I was told many times to take my money and put it in an EU-based market.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan she liked that you strangled her?