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11:00 AM
No, seven.
 
Much better.
 
Oh you mean stars. Well, two times seven, and then two times eight.
 
Two times seventy eight, you mean?
 
No. That'd be over 9000.
 
But sometimes SWRs are "can anyone think of a better word than X?". If I think Y is better than X, why should I have to prove that it's the best possible answer?
 
11:02 AM
@DavidWallace If the question truly is that short I would want it closed as Not Constructive
 
Yeah, plus a whole lot of context. Hang on, I'll go look for an example.
 
@DavidWallace What's the criteria for Y being better than X? Is it defined in the question?
 
If you have context, then an answer that doesn't say why is annoying.
I might not downvote, but I'd certainly comment asking why it is a good word
 
Well, many SWRs are indeed little more than polls.
Then again,
Feb 8 '11 at 15:52, by RegDwight
Dig this: in a way, every question on the entire SE network is a poll.
 
It's a bad subjective question then.
 
11:04 AM
@RegDwightѬſ道 in a sense every question is a poll
 
At the risk of getting my own answer downvoted :-) here's an example of what I'm talking about.
 
But is every poll a question?
Ha. You worked real hard on that 30-char limit there.
 
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Q: Something causes a lot of initiatives

DanquebecI’m translating a movie about basic income, from French to English. In this movie, someone says that basic income would make people do a lot of new things, that it would create a lot of initiatives. If anyone knows French, the exact words are "Il y aurait une floraison d’initiatives." (There wou...

 
@RegDwightѬſ道 well, in that the asker is polling for an answer
If a question falls in a forest and no one is around to ask it, is it a poll?
 
Cheesus. Now that question is a wreck.
No accepted answer, instead the OP commenting "I found many results on Google for that. Thanks!"
 
11:07 AM
So, given that the asker wanted ideas about what word to use, surely I, and the person who suggested "deluge" both answered the question correctly; and should have been permitted to do so even more concisely.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 holy moly!
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I think OP was replying to a since-deleted comment
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Der Chor des Südwestdeutschen Rundfunks ist ausgezeichnet.
 
ahem, I might have upvoted that trainwreck :)
 
@Hugo Good thinking.
The deleted comment reads "A torrent of initiatives?"
@Robusto Good edit.
 
11:09 AM
It's early. Cut me some slack.
 
Here, have seven.
 
Eight. I need eight.
 
I feel octern's answer is needlessly verbose.
 
@Robusto Fix the verb, then you'll get one extra.
 
@DavidWallace Well, there's no way for us answerers to really tell what criteria will be used to judge the best answer. Your answer doesn't attempt to explain to why "flurry" would be a good answer, other than you like it.
 
11:11 AM
@DavidWallace I feel you answer doesn't explain why it is a good substitute for flowering, it just says that it is. without qualification, how does anyone learn why to use flurry in the future?
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I like turtles.
 
The OP will either like flurry, or not. They were after suggestions. I made one. Sue me.
 
contacts solicitor
 
A turtles of initiatives? Hmmm.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Ah, too late. Mind changing it to ist for me?
 
11:12 AM
@RegDwight, you really are a spoilsport.
It seems whenever I mention a question here, Reg goes and closes it or moves it to his favourite trashbin.
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As I say, it's früh.
 
apparently my suit would be considered frivolous
 
It's the pinstripes.
 
Yeah - they make me look fat
 
Unrelated, should I be disturbed that Ron Maimon wanted to give me some reputation on lingusitics.SE, and went looking for a question or answer of mine to upvote? Fortunately, he didn't find one.
 
11:15 AM
probably not.
he seems excitable, but not dangerous
 
Is "ohey" equal to "oh hey"?
 
ohey? not a word I know. Maybe in lolcat?
 
I don't know, it's like factorizing 'h' : h(o ey) = hoey
 
OED 1971 does not list ohey.
 
hooey is a word!
 
11:19 AM
@Gigili Where did you see "ohey"?
 
Nowhere, I made it myself.
 
OED 1971: Hoey = a society of Chinese, especially a secret society formed by them in English-speaking countries or colonies.
 
Motorin'.
 
Before anyone asks, I am not mentioned on that page.
 
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11:25 AM
@DavidWallace Never heard hoey.
 
I wonder what the members of a hoey are called.
 
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So I actaully realised that besides the online OED and OALD, there is an online oxforddictionaries.com which contains an amount of words in between the two.
 
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I am not sure exactly which paperback it corresponds to if it is meant to.
 
Hoeyians?
 
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It gives origins of words as well.
 
11:29 AM
I think it's some amalgam of concise versions of the OED
 
Gigili gets a bonus star for using five vowels in a row.
 
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@Gigili What, a star for that?
 
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@DavidWallace 5?
 
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@MattЭллен I was thinking it might be the compact or concise or shorter OD or a bit of everything modified.
 
Man, I can use all the vowels! All it takes is some eunoia
 
11:31 AM
@WillHunting It's a bonus star, not a regular star. If you use five vowels in a row, you might get one too.
 
@WillHunting Yeah, the site includes foreign language dictionaries too
 
Has my paper brick become obsolete?
 
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@DavidWallace What is your brick?
 
My 1971 edition of the OED.
 
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@MattЭллен I think I should start using it.
 
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11:34 AM
@DavidWallace What? Isn't that many many volumes?
 
I believe it's normally 20 volumes.
My copy is printed in incredibly small type on incredibly thin paper, and just takes up two very large volumes. It comes with a magnifying glass.
 
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@DavidWallace And you are sure it is not called the shorter OD?
 
@MattЭллен I would ask you facetiously if you could use all six in order.
No, it's not the Shorter Oxford.
 
@DavidWallace what they need to do is make it as an additive to whiskey, and sell it with a normal glass
 
The Shorter Oxford is two fairly large volumes in regular type on regular paper.
Mine is the full OED.
 
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11:37 AM
@DavidWallace +1 for full.
 
@DavidWallace alas I don't know a word off the top of my head :)
 
@Robusto done. Was busy xblasting.
 
@MattЭллен That's why I only asked facetiously
 
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So now there is a place for word origins other than etymonline.com
 
@DavidWallace oh, d'oh :D
I don't read letters, just wrods
 
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11:39 AM
I resign as the correctro of spellingn in this roon.
 
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From now on my sentences will be full or errors.
 
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I think the oxforddictionaries.com is really good so check it out if you don't subscribe to oed.
 
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Goodbye to m-w.com for now.
 
I would like to find a really good dictionary of British English that doesn't prefer the Oxford -ize spellings.
 
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@DavidWallace Both are listed anyway.
 
11:44 AM
True, but it still irritates me.
 
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Well, life is difficult.
 
And I'm a moron. Because I've just noticed that I own one, sort of.
 
Mar 9 at 21:39, by Will Hunting
Life is hard. --- Robusto
 
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@DavidWallace I am not sure if you are really a nutcase, but I really am, details omitted.
 
The Oxford New Zealand Dictionary does not list the -ize spellings at all! Brilliant! And it's near enough to British English for my liking.
 
11:47 AM
Yay!
 
@WillHunting You say the sweetest things.
 
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@DavidWallace I was not joking.
 
I must go and check how it tells me to pronounce "schedule".
 
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@DavidWallace So in NZ you don't use ize?
 
No. We consider -ize to be a misspelling.
 
11:49 AM
Me too. I put up with for the sake of my sanity
 
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Besides Br and Am E, the rest are unfathomable.
 
... and it seems to list four different pronunciations of "schedule", but the Sh-J one is preferred.
 
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Canadian, Australian, NZ seem to be a mixture of both.
 
How is NZ English a mixture of anything?
We are ultra-conservative and un-American here. We are more British than the British themselves.
 
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@DavidWallace What I mean is for example the spelling is either ize or ise, lor or lour etc.
 
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11:52 AM
Hello @KitFox!
 
Morning!
 
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@MattЭллен Too late.
 
There's a ghastly movie starring Hugh Grant and Sarah Jessica Parker. I don't remember the title. But within about 30 seconds, Hugh Grant used two different pronunciations of schedule - once with a sh sound and once with a sk. I'm surprised the director didn't make him do it over.
You can tell the movie's bad when I'm noticing stuff like this.
 
@WillHunting how so?
 
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11:53 AM
@MattЭллен I said hello first! But better late than never!
 
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@DavidWallace Maybe he is conflicted.
 
@DavidWallace he was directing SJP and Hugh Grant, I expect he had ceased caring about most things
 
@WillHunting Not at all. Here in New Zealand, we don't tolerate American spellings. We write "advertise", "centre", "harbour" and "travelled". No exceptions.
 
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We all are conflicted, in various ways and to various extents.
 
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11:54 AM
But you don't use ize.
 
And I remember a Canadian telling me something similar once.
I can't speak for Australians though; they're kind of different.
 
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I think I will use oxforddictionaries.com for all my answers henceforth!
 
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I was trying to see the about page for what paperback it uses but nothing mentioned.
 
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Anyone knows please tell me.
 
i'm surprised this site has reached the level of maturity it has without really addressing whether Old English and Middle English are foreign languages or part of the history of English, it's not addressed at all in the FAQ. there's disagreement over my recent meta question for instance:
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Q: Would questions seeking native Anglo-Saxon equivalents to English terms borrowed from foreign languages be on-topic?

hippietrailIn a recent question, the OP wanted to know why English would borrow a foreign word like kudos from Greek when we already had two perfectly good English words, honour and glory. I wanted to point out that both of these English words were themselves borrowed from French but I did not know what wo...

 
11:59 AM
Isn't that just down to your definition of "foreign"?
Does it mean "from a foreign place", or can it mean "from a foreign time"?
 
-ize and -ise are both british spellings though many people seem to think only -ise is british. (I'm Australian by the way)
 
In my earlier comment, I referred to -ize as an "Oxford spelling".
 
apart from -ise/-ize we always go with british spellings. in fact all english-speaking countries do including canada. though canada does use the american spelling of "tyre" in my experience
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@hippietrail I see 2 upvotes for Mitch's answer and none for TimLymington's
that doesn't sound like disagreement
 
And continued to say that New Zealanders don't use them.
 
12:01 PM
@DavidWallace: yes that's the problem. it's currently to my definition and your definition but if it's controversial it should be down to the site's definition
 
@hippietrail I think there was some meta post Middle English is on-topic, but Old English might be off-topic
 
currently these two entries in the FAQ collide: Etymology (history of words’ development) and Languages other than English (including translation)
 
I have wasted 8 minutes, and have yet to hear him use either "schedule."
 
@hippietrail It amuses me that you don't consider USA an "English speaking country".
 
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Q: Are Old and Middle English questions really on-topic?

Jon PurdyI asked a question recently (Send, sent; end, *ent?), which hasn’t yet received a straight answer. It leads me to wonder if questions about Old and Middle English are actually on-topic for this site; while it’s certainly acceptable for answers to draw on historical English to substantiate specula...

 
12:02 PM
@KitFox Oh, it's about 2/3 of the way through.
 
oops sorry typing too fast. in my head that was supposed to be "all other english speaking countries" (-:
 
@DavidWallace You said 30 seconds!
 
When I said "within 30 seconds", I meant that the two occurrences of "schedule" were within 30 seconds of each other, not within 30 seconds of the beginning. Sorry for not being clear.
 
Well, that's 8 minutes I shall never have back.
 
Nobody forced you to watch it!
 
12:04 PM
removes Sellotape from Kit's eyelids
 
i don't know of any british dictionary which prefers -ize over -ise. oxford definitely list -ise as a variant of -ize and in australia the macquarie dictionary does likewise. though you often find people arguing about this
 
and I think one of them was actually either "scheduled" or "scheduling".
 
@MattЭллен Thanks.
I might need it for the Meeting later though.
 
one other tricky one is "jail" vs "gaol". i was convinced nobody used "gaol" in australia but somebody found my evidence in australian newspaper style guides to say that "gaol" is preferred in australia. to me personally it always seemed a bit "ye olde"
 
It's just gone 1am and I badly need my beauty sleep. Good night everyone.
 
12:06 PM
@KitFox I'll leave you the roll!
 
Good night!
 
cya @DavidWallace
 
@WillHunting You asked if anyone knows what books oxforddictionaries.com uses. I couldn't find the answer for the free Oxford Dictionaries Online, but Oxford Dictionaries Pro uses these: oxforddictionaries.com/words/…
 
Good night, sleep well @DavidWallace.
 
12:43 PM
Details are important or details is important? Is it a mass noun?
 
Details are important.
if it were a mass noun, it wouldn't be plural
 
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@Hugo Thanks! I have a feeling the free version uses Oxford Dictionary of English more or less after reading that FAQ.
 
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A: "Money for rope" ... meaning and derivation?

Alan Redicanmoney for old rope dates back to the time of sailing ships when old rope was picked appart by children and women and added to tar to make caulking for the decks on the ships

After all this time. Someone wades in with a comment posing as an answer.
 
reps for money for old rope
 
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12:59 PM
There are often very good comments which should be posted as answers.
 
And then there are answers that should not be posted
 
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The problem is sometimes I want to post an answer but someone posted it already in a comment so I don't know what to do.
 
@WillHunting You could try wringing your hands.
 
I am feeling very angry right now.
 
Someone once posted a comment, I thought it should be an answer. I posted the answer, referred to the comment and got reps
 
1:01 PM
Today is being a very naughty day, and it needs be punished.
 
I felt good
 
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@KitFox Go on, talk about it if you want.
 
@KitFox i'm sorry. what about?
 
@KitFox Aye, what ails thee?
 
It's a bad day for me in general, but we are supposed to be having this meeting to talk about the project expansion to Georgia.
I am dreading this meeting.
Then I just got an email from my boss that he is at a car dealership.
And neither the project lead nor the big boss are even here.
 
1:03 PM
so who's going to be talking about the expansion?
 
The project lead is supposed to be filling us in.
But apparently, nobody remembers about the meeting he scheduled, or he cancelled it and didn't bother telling me.
I am feeling really upset about it.
 
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So what is going to happen?
 
How frustrating.
 
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If you are not supposed to say anything, then don't. You can always tell the rest exactly what happened.
 
It's just so typical. My time is not important, and I am supposed to magically figure out what's going on.
 
1:06 PM
Managers can be good for nothing, sometimes
 
@WillHunting No, you don't understand. The project lead "organized" this meeting to tell us what he sold to Georgia so we can start this project.
I could not care less about what he has to say, except that he thinks it is incredibly important that I understand how important he is.
 
@MattЭллен But can they be good for something? That seems to be the question.
 
Cannon fodder.
Supposedly the big boss got in trouble yesterday, too.
I can't wait until my mate comes in and can fill me in on the gossip.
 
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A: Just how offensive are the terms "retarded" and "gay"?

Davey JI'm sorry but the whole idea of "gay" and "retarded" be offensive when used in that context is absolutely ludicrous. The idea is that you are saying something is "gay" to mean it's homosexual and bad, but that's not at all what it means in that context. In that context it literally means "stupi...

Moar. What does he think he is adding to the answers there?
 
See? I'm so pissed off, I'm not even making sense.
 
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1:12 PM
@Robusto Well, at least he bumped your question so now it will get more attention.
 
It doesn't need more attention. It was, like, the first question I ever asked on ELU.
 
He wants some of your fame.
 
Also, it already has more than 1k views.
 
Is that all?
 
@KitFox Wow, then that is really desperate.
 
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1:13 PM
@Robusto That's still not over 9000.
 
@WillHunting Well, it's a sincere question, not intended as multicollider bait.
 
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@kit Actually I don't understand your comment on that answer, but nvm.
 
He said he thought it was stupid.
You know. Like gay or retarded.
 
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OIC.
 
1:27 PM
@JSBᾶngs Thank you.
 
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Is there anyone here who still uses Webster's Third New International Dictionary (1961)?
 
I do.
That's my big dic (other than the OED).
 
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I was comparing it with Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, which is the one found at m-w.com.
 
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It seems the former has more words but is not updated.
 
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@Robusto I noticed k was omitted.
 
1:33 PM
I believe W3NID may have been updated since 1961, but I it's at home so I can't check.
@WillHunting You could tell I didn't mean that just from the fact that I didn't use the adjective gigantic.
Jan 17 at 21:55, by Robusto
@RegDwightѬſ道 — Hey, to be as big as you I would have to fold mine in half.
 
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@matt Why did you remove that? Perhaps you thought it was not funny.
 
well, I miscounted
although it's a bit of a lie to call a dictionary from 1961 new :p
 
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@MattЭллен But I am sorry to say it was indeed not funny. :-)
 
you're not sorry at all!
 
@MattЭллен If new has to be true forever, then it should never be permissible to write the word.
 
1:37 PM
It should be kept from titles of dictionaries
it's either going to be redundant or wrong
 
@MattЭллен Noted.
 
:D
Now, I need to write a letter to OUP
 
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Wow, 4 people have the reviewer badge!
 
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Q: "In second" or "in seconds" when talking about time

Johnny LimWhen talking about time as a unit, which one is correct, in second or in seconds? For example: How long does it take to complete the task in second? or How long does it take to complete the task in seconds?

ELU Lite.
 
1:40 PM
already! I'm about a quarter of the way there
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Oh that day I was also mentioning there really should be an esl.se.com
 
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I wonder why there is no proposal in area51.
 
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Or maybe there is already.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 does that second is a countable noun mean that the question is general reference?
 
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Shall one of us propose esl and the rest all commit to it?
 
1:42 PM
@MattЭллен I have no idea about that but a native speaker just wouldn't ask this question, ever.
 
I'm not sure I can commit to anything. I have 3 outstanding commitments to fulfil
@RegDwightѬſ道 true
 
@WillHunting I don't even know what that means. Even after reading the description I still don't.
 
So as far as I am concerned, too localized.
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Q: Why the use of 'would' in the following

NoahI read the following: After graduating from Junior High, Kevin and Winnie both go to McKinley High and Paul attends a prep school. Paul would later transfer to McKinley High and join Kevin and Winnie. The story is in narrated in simple present. Why do they use 'would' here?

 
On the day's topic of dictionaries, The Guardian newspaper's style guide editors used to have an OED subscription but no longer: twitter.com/#!/guardianstyle/statuses/179925070922256385
 
This is a dupe.
Hard to find the original, though.
 
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1:43 PM
@Hugo Maybe they thought it was an unnecessary expenditure. After all what is freely available is sufficient for all practical purposes.
 
It was something about getting beaten up in bars, or meeting people. Something with "town".
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Maybe meeting a stranger in the Alps?
 
Ah wait. Cerberus is better at reading the question than me.
They shouldn't be using "would" there in the first place.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 That's my favourite American drama, The Wonder Years!
 
The Panda Ears?
Please write louder.
 
1:47 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 I made the same mistake. I started to go medieval (or at least historic) on the doggy's butt, but then I reread read the question.
 
Looks like it isn't Barry's day, either.
 
How so?
 
He's already at -2 on this one, and posted a hasty answer to another question earlier today, which he had to delete two minutes later.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 You misspelled his name, but maybe that is an affectionate way of caling him.
 
Ah. I see.
I suspect his name is a reference to someone's Peter Pan complex.
 
1:49 PM
The snakes.
Feb 25 at 1:14, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
 
> How do you pronounce fifths?
with my mouth
when will these pineapples learn?
 
I pronounce it quartz.
 
> I guess I misunderstood about the meeting time. What time are we actually going to meet?
Polite enough?
 
1:54 PM
@KitFox I would suggest perhaps instead of I guess.
 
On a reply-to for confirmation of the meeting request he sent us?
 
If you wanted to be even politer you could sub think for guess
 
Hmm. OK.
 
Perhaps puts the onus on them. It does not admit culpability, but is subtly accusatory.
 
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No need to be polite. Just say I would like to confirm the meeting time.
 
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1:55 PM
This is neither impolite nor hypocritical.
 
@Robusto yeah, @kit, that's a better choice
 
I think including the confirmed meeting time that he sent us is probably accusatory enough.
The part where he wrote "Wednesday at 9:15" with his name on it.
 
@KitFox It is accusatory enough, but perhaps not sufficiently subtle.
 
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There is a difference between being polite and speaking falsehood.
 
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Also check emails for pencil marks. That means they have been edited.
 
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1:58 PM
Pencil marks are not to be taken lightly unlike in this room.
 
@KitFox and add a "p.s. Project lead, fancy leading the project instead of f***ing around" ;)
 

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