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8:00 PM
@Tim Re 'down to earth' and 'genuine': sincerity, almost necessarily talks about how one talks. But down-to-earth' doesn't. Well, if you had very high register (high-falutin, fancy upper-crust, received pronunciation, overly formal and grandiose, purple prose) language, then that would most likely not be considered 'down-to-earth', and so the description might be contrary to the 'down-to-earth' designation.
@Tim a 'qword' is a badly type 'word'
also 'surace' = 'surface'
@Tim Do you accept that 'sincerity' is a quality of speech?
@Tim sorry: re: 'why is sincerity...', do you accept that sincerity has something to do with how one evaluates someone's speech?'
 
Tim
@Mitch Thanks! I thought sincere, genuine and down-to-earth are all used to describe a person's quality. But you say sincerity is to describe a speech or talk not for quality, while the other about a person's quality?
The rest of the room: Sorry for taking over your conversation.
 
@Tim yes, that sounds good. 'down-to-eath' is more about your personality than about your speech (though of course the characteristics of how you talk/write might be one small component of how 'sown-to-earth' you are. 'genuine' is more like 'sincere'.
 
Tim
@Mitch Thanks! Lastly, is " I am down-to-earth and genuine" fine in my self-evaluation? or just "I am down-to-earth", or something else similar as long as without "sincere"?
 
@Tim I take it this is for an application to some university or program? I'd hesitate to give my opinion about that sentence...the sentence about sincerity is definitely too thought provoking. 'down-to-earth' and 'genuine' are OK.
 
Hmm...
I'd leave out "genuine".
 
Tim
8:12 PM
@Mitch Not for application. Just for being reviewed.
@Cerberus How is that? Because Mitch said 'genuine' is more like 'sincere'?
 
What does it add that isn't already included in "down to earth" that will be interesting to hear for the interviewers?
Down to earth can be a useful bit of information about your character, because it isn't necessarily all self-praise; but "genuine"?
 
Tim
@Cerberus To mean that I am what they see and hear. I am just that simple a person, not as complicated as regular ones and not have much to say.
 
@kit @MrShinyandNew @other developers in here: clientsfromhell.net
 
@Tim I don't know. Can you imagine anyone saying "I am not very genuine" in an interview? It won't hurt if you call yourself genuine, but I just think it is a bit meaningless, in that you are attributing a positive quality to your own character.
 
Tim
@Cerberus, @Mitch: Thanks! I will think about this myself. Your suggestions are definitely helpful.
 
8:23 PM
@Will, @Mrs: Installation suddenly jumped to a new phase, after a bit over an hour since start, yay! A propos, I just remembered that I had my dvd burner verify the data on the disc after burning, and that didn't take long: so do you think it can still be broken? I'd think verifying is reading, isn't it?
@Tim Good luck! I suppose it also depends on interview culture within the organization you are being interviewed at.
 
Tim
@Cerberus Thanks! It is not an interview. It is for me to be reviewed in the past year.
 
Oh! I see.
Then you probably won't have to take the initiative during the conversation, will you?
Makes it easier.
 
Tim
Self-evaluation is part of reviewing me. They will also evaluate me.
 
@Cerberus hard to say.
 
Tim
Basically, I submit my sel-eval in paper form. Then they will have a meeting discussing everyone under review. and then I will be notified about their discussion
 
8:28 PM
If I were a computer technician, I'd first try replacing the DVD-ROM with a spare, and if that didn't work, try replacing some other parts until the install worked quickly.
 
@Tim Oh, dear. Self eveluation, really? Do you need to elaborate, or can you just succinctly name a few things that went well, and others that didn't go so well?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Replace the player, you mean? Yeah, I wish I had a spare.
But it is now in the phase "registering components".
Below the first o.
 
@Cerberus yes, the DVD-ROM drive
 
Tim
It is my call. I originally wanted to add some sentences about what I need to improve, but now took them out, such as presentation skills, communication skills, because that will make me look bad? BTW: I am a graduate student.
 
@Tim Oh, wait the self-evaluation is in writing. I suppose that is better.
 
8:32 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 hahaha yeah. I've just found the site. I'm reading incesently
 
@Tim If I were you, I'd be honest and write down exactly what you think went well and what didn't, and how you think you can improve the latter, or what you have done already to improve them. Keep it short, and don't add platitudes or self praise—at least, that's what I would do and expect if I were on the other side of the table.
 
@MrShinyandNew this guy is a shrewd negotiator: clientsfromhell.net/post/14773000770/…
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Haha, nice.
 
@MattЭллен He should have raised his fee
 
especially after a conversation like that
 
8:35 PM
@Tim If you think your skills in presentation and communication can and should be improved, they have no doubt realized that as well, and they will only appreciate your self-knowledge.
 
Tim
@Cerberus Thanks! Also why I consider to mention I am genuine is because they might think I talk too little but my life is really simple, and I am down-to-earth because they might think I am not easy to access but in fact I don't like talking to people who like to judge.
 
@Tim I don't see how alluding to that in such a convoluted way will make it any better; can't you just say you're awed by professors and shy to argue with them, or something?
@Matt That site is great, even though I don't work in the field myself.
Though I am supposed to sell websites to people, by the way.
 
@Cerberus :D I guess annoying customers are universally funny
@Cerberus Really! what kinds of website?
 
@MattЭллен They are! I also remember this series about people calling a computer helpdesk for silly things.
@MattЭллен Any website: they make them.
 
8:43 PM
@Cerberus do you sell hosting?
 
@MattЭллен Yes, I think we sell anything.
 
nice. So is that telesales?
what you do...
 
No, I'm supposed to use my network to find clients and deal with clients they pass on to me.
 
@Cerb is this you, shopping for software? clientsfromhell.net/post/14275838279/…
 
wow. Do you travel with that?
 
8:47 PM
But I hate handing out business cards, and I don't know anything about making websites myself, so I'm not selling anything. I was supposed to do a client of theirs (small shop needed a website) as a test case, but the shop never got back to me, and then I sort of never did anything about it afterwards.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Haha, yes, Vista is secretly my favourite OS. Why go for 7 if you can have Vista!?
@MattЭллен Huh? Travel?
 
@Cerberus well, to client sites and such
do you go there and sell the services?
 
@Cerberus He said he did not have sexual relations with Lewinsky. And at least up until that time, most people would have found a statement like, "we did not have sex, she just blew me" perfectly consistent. So he didn't have his own little definition of "have sex" -- his lie was one of omission. Emission. Whatever.
 
@MattЭллен Oh, right. Well, as I said, I have never really done much to date. But theoretically I might travel to talk to clients, yes, though it is unlikely that we should get a client from a country that we aren't represented in, and I'm only supposed to do Holland, maybe Belgium.
@MattЭллен Hmm would that work?
 
@Cerberus I have no idea :D mind reading is such a tricky art
 
@MetaEd Hmm, I see. Well, if oral sex is no sex...
@MattЭллен You know what too do: add Latin words every other sentence.
 
8:53 PM
@Cerberus is that how you improve things? I like your style.
 
@MattЭллен Thanks! Yes, it is jolly good, if I may say so myself.
 
unfortunately I can't read Latin
 
By the way, I am now actually looking at the desktop of my new XP install! Yay!
@MattЭллен You know ad hominem and ad baculum?
 
Woohoo!
@Cerberus to man? to scott bacula?
 
@Cerberus Right. "To have sex" was generally understood to mean coitus, and did not include other sex acts such as oral sex.
 
8:57 PM
@MattЭллен To the man, and to the stick. You know what an argumentum ad hominem is? An ad baculum is an argument where you basically say, "my argument is correct, or I will beat you with a stick".
 
Ad hasselhoum.
 
@MetaEd Hmm, well, that is a bit of a stretch.
 
To the hair.
 
Hasselhoum?
 
@Cerberus I understand ad hominem attack. I like the stick one :D I'll have to use that in future.
 
8:58 PM
À la Hasselhof?
 
My argument is correct, or I will cow you with my chest hair.
XD
 
@MattЭллен It is a very strong argument.
@MetaEd Uhm ah, yes, haha. cowers
 
here is why marketing people are great: clientsfromhell.net/post/13794612314/…
 
By the way, it seems cow, cower, and coward have three unrelated origins!
Latin cauda "tail" -> coward.
The other two are less certain; probably from Scandinavian words, but not related.
Cow may come from herding cows, actually.
Haha, yes, no ugly people on the streets either!
Nor the old or the stupid.
Nor minorities or the challenged.
Nor women.
Nor unbelievers.
 
So, just you then :D
 
9:05 PM
Or from the low of a cow.
 
Nor foreigners, or the lower classes.
 
oh, so not even you!
 
@MattЭллен I'm afraid I already have several crosses from that list.
@MattЭллен Alas.
 
@Cerberus wait... you're a woman?
 
But I don't mind staying inside, as long as I have XP.
@MattЭллен You're very close, but guess again.
 
9:10 PM
@Cerberus well, you're not old or stupid or ugly (judging from that picture of your hand I saw). You believe that English is a great language, so it's not that. That leaves minorities or challenged. maybe you are minority (I suppose statistically, yes, dog lovers are a minority) does anything challenge you?
 
I am a dog lover, and challenged by installing XP, so, yes.
 
:D
Well, so long as you're happy indoors, then you'll be alright with these new laws to improve Amsterdam's image
 
@Cerberus — We knew you were a dog lover when you said you wanted to stick with XP.
<rimshot>
 
@MattЭллен Hmm which laws exactly? They're removing some windows too, you know.
@Robusto Hmm that is a novel kind of ad baculum.
@Robusto Excuse me?
 
@Cerberus The ones you just made up!
 
9:23 PM
@Cerberus You see, because XP is such a dog.
 
removing windows? for the peeping tom tourist crowd?
 
@Cerberus — A rimshot is the sound a drummer makes when he hits the rim of the snare drum instead of the skin. In vaudeville it was used to punctuate a comedian's jokes.
 
@MattЭллен Oh! I thought these were universal laws.
 
in Stan trims hot
 
9:25 PM
@Robusto You mean so doggy?
 
@MattЭллен Stan Rogers?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 probably
@Cerberus oh dear. I've not been obeying them
 
dog [slang] 6 b. Something of inferior or low quality.
 
Ah, in that way. I thought you were making a different pun.
 
me [standard English] 1 a. Something entirely superior at all times ever.
 
9:27 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 — You misspelled inferior.
 
You misspelled interior.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 — You misspelled I NO RITE.
 
You misspelled I NO RITER.
 
U NO RITER THEN WIKIPEDIA.
 
TAHT'S EASY CUZ WIKIPEDIA AINT NO NO SHIT
Did you notice that Wikipedia is almost an anagram of pedophilia?
 
9:30 PM
no, did you?
 
I dunno, I might of.
 
I'll have to try harder, I guess
 
Bollocks, old chap.
BRB
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 — No, but pedophile anagrams to *I held pope."
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 You often say things I cannot understand at all.
 
9:40 PM
@WillHunting — Why do you think he named it The Incomprehensible Room?
 
@Robusto more importantly pedopwile anagrams to "I weld pope"
 
@WillHunting о рли?
 
user19161
@Robusto Good one.
 
user19161
OK I did not understand because anagram was not in my vocabulary, but now I do.
 
@Robusto I pled hope.
@MattЭллен you misspelled "less importantly".
 
9:41 PM
NOU
 
I help dope.
 
@MattЭллен Righ, I mean, "fewer importantly".
 
user19161
Since I spell it as paedophile, I will plagiarize Robusto's solution and say I held a pope.
 
user19161
9:43 PM
This plagiarized solution actually makes more sense as pope requires an article.
 
@WillHunting — In which case "I help a dope."
 
I helped ado.
 
@WillHunting Not really. What if he was talking about Alexander Pope? Then "I held Pope" makes a lot of sense.
 
The world forgetting, by the world forgot.
 
Hmm, our bug-tracking system is down. How will it ever get fixed if no one can log a defect about it?
 
9:45 PM
The inconvenient truth is, it won't!
 
head asplode
@RegDwightѬſ道 is there a convenient truth?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 You misspelled convenient.
Semi-jinx.
 
ah
semi-coke
 
Because that means I CAN GO HOME.
 
@Robusto Your noble prize winner did.
 
user19161
9:46 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Noble or nobel?
 
61
A: Is there a reason for C#'s reuse of the variable in a foreach?

Eric Lippert The compiler declares the variable in a way that makes it highly prone to an error that is often difficult to find and debug, while producing no perceivable benefits. Your criticism is entirely justified. Is there something you can do with foreach loops this way that you couldn't if they...

^ this is amazing
 
it's by Eric Lippert, so undoubtedly!
 
@JSBᾶngs I don't understand 101% of it.
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 That's over 9000!
 
9:50 PM
@JSBᾶngs — I so happy I not using C# like ever. Except on my piano.
 
I am too sharp to use C.
 
Don't B# or B-flat. just B-natural!
 
@Robusto On my piano, I just go with D♭.
 
@JSBᾶngs this is amazing for different reasons:
-7
A: Is there a reason for C#'s reuse of the variable in a foreach?

HeadpusterIntern, the compiler declairs the variable inside the foreach-block. Currently you can't set this in the compiler options. The only thing you could do, is declaring a variable outside the block and set it at the end of the foreach block, so you can use it outside.

 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Those are merely larger values of C#.
 
user19161
9:51 PM
@MattЭллен -7 is drastic.
 
@Robusto So you bow to my size again???
 
@WillHunting well, if one doesn't read the question...
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 — Wait, what? A piano doesn't use a bow, dummy. Try a violin or a cello.
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 Size of what?
 
@Robusto Thank you for clarification. I would have never gotten the joke if not for the edit.
 
user19161
9:53 PM
@MattЭллен It is almost your bedtime!
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 — I was just padding out the size of my answer so that it was bigger than yours.
 
bah! I shan't bow your pesky rules
 
I mean bigger then yours.
 
@Robusto I'll wait two minutes and shrink it.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 — If it lasts longer than four hours, see a doctor.
 
9:54 PM
You see, some people pad out. Others just have.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 — Hey, to be as big as you I would have to fold mine in half.
And I'm rounding down.
 
user19161
I only know Robusto's foot is one foot long exactly.
 
@WillHunting Everyone's foot is one foot long.
Whoa, is that the time? I thought we were using metric time — oh, right, they haven't fucked up that system of measurement yet. So, since bug tracker is offline, I am heading for home. Laterz.
 
So you don't fold yours in half, after all?
 
jen! oral reference
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Q: Plural of "bonus"?

unkiwiiI've been searching for this and I found that bonuses is the main answer. Is this correctly?

 
9:59 PM
14
Q: How to reliably execute a snare drum rimshot?

NReilinghA standard snare drum rim shot, as I understand it, requires the stick to contact the drum head and rim simultaneously. I'm having trouble finding the appropriate angle (the majority of the time I just end up hitting the rim only). Are there any tips I might want to consider in developing this t...

 
@MattЭллен Come on Jackie, spill the beans: correctly what?
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 Someone should answer no, this is correct but not correctly.
 
:D "is this correctly, your honour?"
 
@MetaEd gen-ref. Now, how to unreliably execute a rimshot, that's a much more interesting question.
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 intersting
 
user19161
10:02 PM
The pencil marks can be seen!
 
See, for a second right there I though, nah, I won't fix that stupid typo, will I?
But NOU.
 
user19161
@RegDwightѬſ道 thought
 
You are so predictible.
 
user19161
Reg is going to do the pencil marks again.
 
I am not predictible.
 
user19161
10:04 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 predictable
 
Q.Effing.D.
 
user19161
I am predictable.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 That's much easier.
 
user19161
In spellchecking at least.
 
@WillHunting You misspelled "at fewest".
 
user19161
10:05 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 HB!
 
user19161
I remember that.
 
user19161
No it is not correctly. It is, however, correct. – tchrist 5 mins ago
 
user19161
HB!
 
ham and bacon!
 
user19161
10:12 PM
That too.
 
user19161
Ham, bacon, cheese, rice are all foods interestingly.
 
user19161
There is something magical about the associations in this room.
 
user19161
They just happen automagically.
 
a hungry man is a religious man?
 
A hungry man is more like a meal.
 
user19161
10:19 PM
@MattЭллен True. Hunger leads to anger. Anger leads to suffering. Suffering leads to enlightenment.
 
10:40 PM
gourd knight
 
11:15 PM
How do you change a pumpkin into another vegetable?
Throw it in the air and it comes down squash.
 
Hey!
I have just made pumpkin soup.
What a coincidence.
 
I am about to grill beets. Beet that.
Did you hear about the vegetarian band? It's got a good beet.
 
Haha.
You win, I've got nothing.
 
11:32 PM
Speaking of winning, we are losing! Halp!
I am saying that as a vegetarian!
 
Oh!
I'll see what I can dough.
 
@MetaEd Oh, yum.
 

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