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Jez
9:00 PM
we'd have to redefine the whole language if we took the same ludicrous attitude to everything as some take to BC/AD
 
Can it still be “slang” after four centuries of common use?
 
@Cerberus Two English verbs, come and go. In Japanese they are commonly translated at X and Y. But while in English we use "come" in a slang meaning, the same meaning is represented by Y in Japanese.
 
@tchrist What else would you call it?
 
Vulgar?
 
9:01 PM
@Jez Exactly. It is part of the short-sighted, PC, nay, superstitious fear of words as magical.
 
@tchrist So? Slang can be vulgar if it is brand new
 
@tchrist Sure it can.
@oerkelens Yes, that is better.
"Is commonly translated as" is better.
Even come and komen are often ill matched.
 
@Cerberus And there I foolishly tried to spare my keyboard :(
 
Didn't say it wasn't rude. But it's not slang. It's the ordinary word, taboo and all. Slang is ephemeral and goes "23 Skidoo" very fast, while taboo words are the oldest and healthiest words in the language, because everybody has to know what they are in order not to use them. — John Lawler Apr 18 at 18:59
@oerkelens That’s disgusting.
 
18 mins ago, by oerkelens
@Cerberus I read or heard somewhere that the Japanese for "I come" would translate as "I go"
You were too sparing here, is what I meant.
 
9:03 PM
In Spanish, correr is to run. But its reflexive form is the other thing.
 
@Cerberus So I understood
 
> “¡Ai, que me corro!”
It can have other meanings, but not there. :)
 
@tchrist Yeah Lawler really lacks the principle of charity, the ability to try and see something from the other perspective...
 
@tchrist that seems... descriptive
 
@Cerberus He may be blind in one eye, his brother’s.
 
Jez
9:05 PM
so yeah. it's 2014 AD.
/rant
 
@tchrist Is that an inverted mark of exclamation? Shouldn't it be either higher or lower than an i?
@oerkelens Yay!
 
@Jez Actually, it's 2014.
 
@tchrist Is that some Biblical saying?
 
Jez
@KitFox nope, that's a shorthand
 
AD is shorthand.
 
9:06 PM
BC and AD are only used when otherwise there could be confusion.
 
> \N{LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK}\N{INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK}Ai, que me corro!\N{RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK}
 
Or in official documents.
 
Jez
@Cerberus ... because they're not shorthand
 
@Cerberus No, allusion.
 
AD is an abbreviation. So is BC.
 
9:07 PM
This was what I saw.
 
As did I.
Not my favorite font.
 
Jez
@KitFox arguably they've become so abstract they can just be viewed as terms in their own right now
 
@Jez You could say that. Or you could say the default is without either abbreviation.
 
Even if you are not an ASMRer, you might find that funny.
 
9:08 PM
@tchrist OK.
Yay Easter ASMR?
 
The Easter Story about how the Easter Bunny defeated the Zombie Christ.
 
Jez
it's not often I'm totally on the side of Conservopedia and Christians
 
Oh, it's only 1h05 long.
 
Eating, crinkles, etc.
 
Jez
but i am on this one
 
9:09 PM
@Jez Same.
 
Well, the story is at the beginning.
 
Jez
BCE/CE proponents need to start using the French revolutionary calendar, and rename all days of the week and months of the year
 
Holy crap. All I said was that it depends on the context and that academics prefer BCE.
 
Jez
i don't see how it depends on the context
 
Fine. It doesn't.
 
Jez
9:11 PM
BC/AD are always appropriate when using a date with reference to the birth of Christ
 
Use BC. Why even bother to ask?
 
@Jez Or jump off a cliff.
Oops!
 
Jez
because i dont get why people are dumb enough to redefine terms like this
 
@KitFox I disagree.
 
@Jez Well, welcome to the twentieth century.
 
9:12 PM
I rarely see (B)CE in historiography.
@Jez It's just a hype, it will pass. In fact, I get the impression that the worst is already behind us...
 
OK, so academics was too broad.
 
Some academics.
 
Jez
@Cerberus reading the wikipedia page it seems more textbooks are using BCE/CE sadly
 
A hype? That was a thing twenty years ago.
 
@KitFox historians tend to live in the past
 
9:13 PM
My textbook on Mediaeval history had (B)CE. I don't recall seeing many other books with (B)CE: it was remarkable, presumably an exception.
 
Wouldn't worry too much about new words noot catching on with them :P
 
Historians are the main users of AD/CE, or years in general.
 
@Cerberus That is strange. There were no Middle Ages BC(E), were there?
 
Study of religion tends to use BCE. Probably obvious why.
 
Jez
just think. if i were going to school today, my brain would be addled with the BCE/CE crap
 
9:14 PM
It's a very small piece of anything.
 
Jez
"mummy, why do the years start at 0?" "because that's when Christ was born"
 
I'm not sure why that would addle you.
 
Jez
"oh, so it is religious" "yes but don't call it that"
 
@KitFox otherwise how will arguments ensue?
 
Oh right.
 
9:15 PM
@oerkelens You mean (B)CE? Indeed not. But I suppose perhaps occasionally in the early Middle Ages it can make sense to specify before or after Christ. But it was used more than a few times across the book, it was almost obtrusive, IIRC.
 
Must be tea time.
 
@Jez Exactly!
Another method is BP, Before Present.
 
@Cerberus No, I meant BC(E). Before Christ, or Before Common Era.
 
But I think that is mainly limited to palaeontology or geology.
@oerkelens Ah OK. Yeah.
 
I thought there wasn't a year 0 in the Jesus calendar.
 
9:17 PM
@Cerberus But then you have to reprint your books so often when you talk about anything but very ancient history :)
 
@oerkelens Absolutely, so it is only practical for prehistory.
 
@KitFox That is why the millennium started in 2001, not in 2000 :)
 
When a couple of thousand years doesn't matter.
 
"From the point in time that most of us use to mark the years now, but we didn't know that was going to be a thing at the time."
 
Jez
@KitFox i guess the followers of Jesus didn't think we'd even get much past beyond the 50th year of our Lord, before he returned for good
 
9:18 PM
I must be thinking of the calendar before this one, when we didn't have a lord, then we did.
But what happened when we added year zero?
Is that where the infancy gospels came in?
 
@KitFox Did we?
 
Jez
it's called the nativity
 
@oerkelens Let me see. I'm pretty sure the Julian calendar was not zero indexed.
!!wiki Julian calendar
 
The Julian calendar, introduced by Julius Caesar in 46 BC (708 AUC), was a reform of the Roman calendar. It took effect in 45 BC (709 AUC). It was the predominant calendar in most of Europe, and in European settlements in the Americas and elsewhere, until it was refined and superseded by the Gregorian calendar. The difference in the average length of the year between Julian (365.25 days) and Gregorian (365.2425 days) is 0.002%. The Julian calendar has a regular year of 365 days divided into 12 months, as listed in Table of months. A leap day is added to February every four years. The Jul...
 
@KitFox But is our current calendar?
!!wiki 0(year)
 
9:20 PM
Year zero does not exist in the Anno Domini system usually used to number years in the Gregorian calendar and in its predecessor, the Julian calendar. In this system, the year 1 BC is followed by AD 1. However, there is a year zero in astronomical year numbering (where it coincides with the Julian year 1 BC) and in ISO 8601:2004 (where it coincides with the Gregorian year 1 BC) as well as in all Buddhist and Hindu calendars. Historical, astronomical and ISO year numbering systems Historians The Anno Domini era was introduced in 525 by Dionysius Exiguus (c. 470–c. 544), who used ...
 
Jez
@KitFox clearly not designed by computer scientists, except perhaps ones who programmed in BASIC
 
Clearly.
 
So in since ISO8601:2004 it's there :(
 
Jez
looks like it's aliased to 1BC
 
But then...what's 2 BC?
 
9:22 PM
the year before
 
Good thing is, in those years, nobody would get confused.
 
Gee guys, are we in 51 BC or 52 BC now?
 
3BC is 1BBBC
 
Oh, it's hex.
That's what they meant.
 
Jez
9:23 PM
@KitFox 0AD == 1BC
which doesnt make sense but whatever
 
Right, so then...2BC == 1BC?
 
no 0CE == 1BC
 
Jez
no, why would it?
 
Anyway, enough about years, I'm thinking about hours now. It's only a few hours BW
So I bid you all good night :)
 
Because the year before 0AD must be 1BC, not 2BC.
 
Jez
9:25 PM
not if 0AD == 1BC
then the year before is 2BC
 
@oerkelens good night. I shall wend my way also
 
But that doesn't make sense.
@MattЭллен Aww. How was hackspace?
 
Jez
im not sure anyone really uses 0AD
 
@Jez That is correct, "the year zero" is really 1 BC.
 
@KitFox I didn't go. I'll go some other time
 
9:25 PM
OK.
 
Jez
"in the zeroth year of our lord, which is actually a year before he was born"?
 
When Mary was preggers.
 
Jez
0MP
 
And some change.
 
there is no 0AD or 0BC. that counting system doesn't have those. did you not read the wiki?
 
9:28 PM
No I didn't.
I was making tea.
 
it drops prefixes altogether
 
@KitFox, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I have a small problem. Some of my moderator tools seem to have disappeared, for the fourth day now.
 
@KitFox good choice
 
@medica Where did they go?
 
@MattЭллен wiki says ISO 8601 has year 0
 
9:29 PM
@KitFox Into the ether, it seems.
I have no idea.
I no longer have access to flagged posts, etc.
 
Hmm.
Is the queue handled? I don't see any blocks on your account.
 
I am still allowed to edit, and review queue
but not flagged posts to agree or disagree
 
I feel like there was a change to that recently.
 
@KitFox I can't imagine that for four days, the queue was handled; this is the first time this has happened since I hit 10K, and Reg said one day, when I had nothing in the queue, that he had 20.
What change?
 
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Q: Let's get rid of the 10K flag queue

Shog9The 10K tools are pretty cool... You get a birds-eye view of activity on the site, a "dashboard" view of what's happening. Some of the individual tools haven't scaled particularly well with Stack Overflow's growth, but the concept behind them is still sound: we trust you to enough to be a bee wat...

That's in the works, but I'm not sure of the status.
 
9:33 PM
@KitFox Oh! Well that would explain it!
 
So that must be it.
 
@KitFox so it's system wide?
 
I think so.
Oh my boys are home. Time to get dinner together. Ping me if you think it's something other than that.
 
Doesn't that make for more mod work, and underreporting of offensive/very low quality/non-answer posts?
OK
Thanks
 
I think they left some things like offensive flags, but dumped most of it. I can't remember.
 
9:40 PM
@KitFox I just read the linked meta post. It answered my questions. Thank you for your help!
 
9:59 PM
It’s all gone. No 10k queue.
But um, we have 29 in the close queue. Blah.
 
10:14 PM
Don’t let your delete votes evaporate.
 
Hi @meer2kat I see you have returned.
 
@Rob I think it turned out niceish, removed most of the advanced and kept the core. Bearable at least.
 
10:26 PM
hiya!
came to play some hangman and decided to also drop by here
 
10:59 PM
@KitFox Have you had dinner already?
 

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