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La salutation est l'action de saluer. Salut ! Expression exclamative et familière pour saluer quelqu'un. « Salut ! » peut signifier aussi bien bonjour (« Salut mon pote! », « Salut la compagnie ! », ... ; le Top 50 démarrait par la formule « Salut les p'tits clous »), et dans ce sens, il est synonyme de « coucou ! », du latin « Ave ! » et de « Yo ! » chez les rappeurs, qu'au revoir (« Salut, je me casse ! »), qui est synonyme dans ce sens de l'anglais bye-bye. Salut militaire Salut scout Salut maritime Salut hébreu Salut indien Namasté ou Namaskar (नमस्ते ou नमस...

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

goes back to speaking one language, eating paste

Cerberus

2:00 AM

I think starting with ça va is more common than comment ça va.

Mahnax

@Robusto Usually, they'll just say "ça va ?"

Robusto

@Cerberus I'm being hyperbolic, obviously.

Cerberus

@Robusto OK then we're cool.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 goes back to watching Inside Amy Schumer

Mahnax

@Cerberus Quelle galère !

Robusto

2:04 AM

@Cerberus This is bullshit. There is a lag, and you wind up making three or four moves at once.

Mahnax

Oh, Cerby. I learned today that I might be able to declare Finnish citizenship, then I'd be a citizen of the EU!

Cerberus

@Mahnax C'est horrible!

@Robusto The lag is weird, yes. But you just have to wait until si muove.

@Mahnax Ohh that would be lovely!

Mahnax

@Cerberus Yeah!

Cerberus

Probably a lot easier when travelling and such?

And yet it moves

"And yet it moves" (; ) is a phrase said to have been uttered before the Inquisition by the Italian mathematician, physicist and philosopher Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) in 1633 after being forced to recant that the earth moves around the sun. In this context, the implication of the phrase is: despite this recantation, the Church's proclamations to the contrary, or any other conviction or doctrine of men, the Earth does, in fact, move around the sun, and not vice versa. As such, the phrase is used today as a sort of pithy retort implying that "it doesn't matter what you believe; these are...

Mahnax

A little easier, but it would allow me to work/live in the EU.

Cerberus

2:08 AM

Yay!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto I just heard of her the other day.

Cerberus

Is that hard without European citizenship?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Mahnax are you still traveling this summer? Or was that last year?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Apparently, yes.

Cerberus

You should do it! Is it expensive, or what hoops do you have to jump through?

Hmm I thought Western countries were usually fairly easy on each other, but apparently not.

Mahnax

2:10 AM

@Cerberus I just have to contact a few people to see if I'm eligible. I've been legally adopted and my name's been changed, so that might throw a wrench into things.

Cerberus

Oh, did I know you were adopted?

Mahnax

Well, it's not the usual form of adoption.

Cerberus

Oh...

Mahnax

When my mom remarried after my father's death, my new father "adopted" us, and had our names legally changed to his last name so we could be one family.

So my last name is no longer what it was when I was born.

Cerberus

Ahh OK.

But your birth father was Finnish?

Mahnax

2:14 AM

Yeah. So that might cause problems.

However, if my mom still has my original birth certificate and the marriage license from back then, his paternity can be proven and I can get my citizenship. If I understand correctly.

Cerberus

Ah OK, so any child of a Finnish citizen can get it?

Mahnax

From what I understand, yes.

Cerberus

Isn't the name change somewhere in your file in a government database?

Mahnax

Probably.

Cerberus

Have you talked to some civil servant yet?

Did you live in E. when your name was changed?

Mahnax

2:18 AM

I tried contacting someone today, and I left a message.

@Cerberus No. I have never lived in E.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 She is hilarious.

Mahnax

The declaration will cost € 80, so I have to make sure I am actually eligible before declaring.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto give me a taste?

Mahnax

But when I turn 18, the price triples.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I don't know if I can. Her humor is so organic. But I'm thinking of a bit she did in her very first episode where she juxtaposes the tragic tale of the only survivor of a Weezer-themed cruise ship with her Flight From Hell where she wasn't upgraded even though she had a platinum card and had to drink pinot when she knew they had chardonnay! a tear

Seriously, just watch her. Good stuff. Great stuff. She's kind of like a white female Dave Chappelle.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

2:24 AM

Hmm.

Robusto

@Cerberus Any child of a get can finish it?

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 See, I knew my poor attempt to convey her humor would confuse you.

@Cerberus Eppur si non muove.

8

Q: Is there a single word that means “hitting the target but missing the point”?

For example the waiting time target in a hospital can be met if enough patients are killed off quickly so freeing up beds. However hitting the waiting time target in that way is rather missing the point of healthcare!

single-word-requests

What a bunch of shit answers.

I'm glad I don't live here anymore.

Meanwhile, back to IAS and so to bed. Night, folks.

Cerberus

2:39 AM

@Mahnax Oh, wait, so your town is not administratively part of E.?

@Robusto Very droll, Humphrey.

@Robusto Si muove, ma lentamente.

Mahnax

3:15 AM

@Cerberus Nope!

Separate.

Sorry for disappearing, had to finish a scholarship application that I just remembered. Now off to the grocery store.

Cerberus

Oh cool.

Later!

Mahnax

Bye!

Mahnax

3:40 AM

Mission accomplished, sorbet acquired.

Cerberus

Well done.

Mahnax

nods

I love sorbet.

Cerberus

3:56 AM

What flavour?

Mahnax

Orange.

Cerberus

Oh I might like that.

I think sherbet is British?

Mahnax

Sherbet is different.

It contains milkfat, sometimes. Sorbet never does.

Cerberus

4:18 AM

Hmm now I need to know more about the etymologies...

Sorbet is French, and I know it shouldn't contain any dairy.

skullpatrol

4:39 AM

!!wiki sorbet

KitSox

Sorbet

Sorbet is a frozen dessert made from sweetened water with flavouring (typically fruit juice or fruit purée, wine, and/or liqueur). Classification and description Sorbet is often confused with Italian ice and often taken to be the same as sherbet. Sorbets/sherbets may also contain alcohol, which lowers the freezing temperature, resulting in softer texture. In the UK and Australia, sherbet refers to a fizzy powder, and only the term sorbet would be used. Whereas ice cream is based on dairy products with air copiously whipped in, sorbet has neither, which makes for a dense and extreme...

skullpatrol

!!wiki sherbet

KitSox

Sherbet

Sherbet may refer to: Foodstuffs * Sherbet (powder), an effervescent drink or a fizzy powder sweet, chiefly UK * Sherbet, an American term for a frozen dessert like sorbet, but containing a small amount of milkfat * Sharbat, a traditional Middle Eastern cold drink prepared with rose hips, cornelian cherries, rose or licorice and a variety of spices * Sherbet (or serbet), a hot sweet beverage characteristic of the Balkans. It is made by browning white sugar and pouring water over it, sometimes with the addition of flavouring similar to sharbat (above). Music * Dal Shabet, a South Kor...

Cerberus

5:51 AM

Ugh so complicated, no wonder I never got it.

> The word "sherbet" is from Turkish "şerbet", which is from Persian "شربت", which in turn comes from "sharbat", Arabic "sharba" a drink, from "shariba" to drink. Also called "sorbet", which comes from French "sorbet", from Italian "sorbetto" and in turn from Turkish "şerbet". The word is cognate to syrup in English. Historically it was a cool effervescent or iced fruit soft drink.

Qcom

6:21 AM

Anyone want to be a sounding board?

Trying to determine which narrative style I want to employ for some writing

Leaning towards second-person but I feel like it wouldn't be taken seriously

I think it it's arguably the most appropriate though

Nicolas Raoul

6:52 AM

Probably interesting to many here: opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/1946/…

Matt Эллен

7:22 AM

This is what we will give you if you ask for sherbert

RegDwigнt

8:47 AM

@MattЭллен not this?

RegDwigнt

8:59 AM

The community is ur site editing everything.

Matt Эллен

9:21 AM

@RegDwigнt yes not that :D

RegDwigнt

Well. Your government sucks, then.

Matt Эллен

that's true. they do

skullpatrol

9:36 AM

They all do, imo

Robusto

11:08 AM

@Cerberus Humphrey?

RegDwigнt

So someone just spoiled The Life of Pi for me.

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Q: When an author lets you decide what happened?

Is there a word to describe when an Author doesn't fully explain a particular scenario, and leaves it rather ambiguous, so that the reader may decide what happened? For example: In Mockingjay, was it Gale who killed Prim? or Life of Pi: Was the whole story fake, with Pi substituting humans as ani...

meaning ambiguity

Thank you, someone.

Robusto

11:21 AM

You didn't want to watch that film anyway. Admit it.

RegDwigнt

Well not for money.

But I'll watch it in free TV.

Robusto

If you wait till it's free, chances are you'll see spoilers.

Mitch

You can still enjoy the blooper reel after the credits.

Robusto

And the credits themselves.

Also: soundtrack.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto only if some bozo posts them.

Robusto

11:25 AM

Have you met the Internet?

RegDwigнt

Yeah, that's sort of my point actually. I'm online all day, but most or in fact all movies no bozo spoils for me.

And it's not like all the movies you have seen you have seen in a theatre.

Robusto

So your beef is with this bozo coming into your house and spewing spoilers?

RegDwigнt

Yup.

►

Here's a spoiler for you. The Sun revolves around the Earth.

You can thank me later for not paying to watch this dreck.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Even theater movies may be spoiled if you don't get to them on the opening weekend.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto may-schmay is not my point. My point is that as a rule, for me they actually do not. This is an outlier. Is all I'm saying.

I may also be run over by every single car on my way home. But as a rule, I do not.

And swap the helper verbs yourself as you see fit.

Robusto

11:29 AM

Who are you arguing with? Not me. I'm not contradicting you.

I may use helper verbs, or not, as is my wont.

RegDwigнt

I am not arguing with anyone. I wonder why this is a discussion at all.

I basically came in here to thank someone. And thank someone I did.

Robusto

So. No discourse unless you decree it?

RegDwigнt

No discourse unless you make up your mind whether or not there is discourse.

I was done with my bit.

I am actually waiting for Cerberus to play 2048 against him.

Mitch

12:06 PM

I don't get this:

0

Q: Does the word "wizardry" have negative connotations?

The Free Dictionary defines wizardry as The art, skill, or practice of a wizard; sorcery. The first part certainly sounds positive, but then the word sorcery is cited as a synonym. This word has the definition Use of supernatural power over others through the assistance of spirits...

meaning word-usage

It's talking as though there are people who would be offended if they were called sorcerer but not wizard.

Matt Эллен

:D yeah. it's a pretty ridiculous question

because we still have witchhunts

Mitch

I thought only wizards allowed other wizards to call them that. Otherwise it's rude.

Matt Эллен

But what about sorceror? I mean, I'm happy to call a spade a spade, so long as the spade doesn't turn me into a frog

Mitch

Need more close reasons: "this is stupid", "nutjob city", "not connected to reality"

"Doesn't believe in magic"

Matt Эллен

Well... witch can still be used derogatorily, I think

but on the otherhand, thinking that because wizardry implies sorcery makes either offensive makes me think that I have some money I need moving our of Nigeria...

Mitch

12:14 PM

I know right! I get that all the time! It's like I have a symbol on my forehead.

I can help you with that money in Nigeria.

tchrist

@Cerberus You’d be amazed how many people rhyme sherbet with Herbert.

Mitch

Most everyone?

tchrist

Yes.

Matt Эллен

@Mitch oh! really? That's great. I just need £1000 deposit to get the process started

tchrist

And when you tell them there is no r before the t at the end, they just say well you’ve spelled it wrong then.

That’s why sorbet is the safer word.

Especially for the explosively lactose intolerant.

Despite the way it threatens to invoke Sorbanes–Oxley on your ass.

America needs more wide buses.

We have short buses for short people, and London has tall buses for tall people. So America needs more wide buses for wide people.

Matt Эллен

12:20 PM

!!youtube fat music for fat people

KitSox

►

Robusto

London has double-decker buses for double-decker people.

Matt Эллен

mmmm double deckers

so nougaty

Robusto

Double Desmond Dekkers?

tchrist

And you wonder why fat women always wear keepemfromfloppins. That music is why.

Matt Эллен

12:21 PM

Robusto

Cadbury. Might have known.

tchrist

ponders the flavor of a cad berry

Just one away from a bad berry, after all.

Matt Эллен

or a bounder berry

tchrist

Takes more steps before it’s a bounder.

Matt Эллен

!!define cad

KitSox

12:23 PM

@MattЭллен cad A person who stands at the door of an omnibus to open and shut it, and to receive fares; an idle hanger-on about innyards.

tchrist

Oh wait, I’m wrong.

Matt Эллен

interesting

I didn't know that definition

Robusto

I think KitSox was hurt by a cad, so she's not answering.

tchrist

Robusto

Those look like Almond Joy and Mounds.

tchrist

12:25 PM

God that took forever.

Robusto

Two forevers.

tchrist

Bounty is the bounders’ first choice, bar none.

Robusto

Do you notice that you have posted that picture twice?

tchrist

Yes.

Alraxite

The second picture seems a bit lighter though.

tchrist

12:28 PM

Apparently they have a trademark on cock-shaped candy bars, and because the dawn is breaking here, I thought it would be appropriate for it to crow twice.

Robusto

> I hear the strain of strutting Chanticleer

tchrist

@Robusto Yes, I always thought so. But the distinction is between milk and chocolate, which is bizarre.

Robusto

10 points if you can name the play without looking it up.

Hint: I played the lead role in that play in college.

tchrist

No, although I know whence the group took their name auctorially.

Robusto

The Tempest

tchrist

12:30 PM

I knew they took it from WS.

@MattЭллен How can one flavor be plain chocolate and the other be milk chocolate?

@Alraxite That’s odd. They look identical to me.

Alraxite

Maybe it's just me.

Robusto

chanticleer (n) "a cock," c.1300, from Old French Chantecler "sing-loud" (Modern French Chanteclair), name of the cock in medieval stories of Reynard the Fox; from chanter "to sing" (see chant (v.)) + cler (see clear (adj.)).

Matt Эллен

@tchrist milk chocolate has milk in it. plain chocolate, well, it has less milk, but preferably none.

@Alraxite no, I agree with you

Robusto

Wait, since it means "a cock" are we allowed to use chanticleer on this site?

@MattЭллен In America we call that "dark" chocolate. The unsweetened kind, that is.

Well, sometimes it's somewhat sweetened.

tchrist

The opposite of milk chocolate is dark chocolate, not chocolate.

Robusto

12:33 PM

Chocolate is apparently a real bitch to make.

@tchrist Jinx.

tchrist

Matt Эллен

@tchrist milk is added to chocolate, take that away and the chocloate is plain.

Alraxite

As a matter of fact, those two images have different resolutions.

So, I think tchrist uploaded a different version for the second one.

tchrist

Robusto

They look pretty irresolute to me.

tchrist

12:34 PM

@Alraxite yes, screen clip

Alraxite

That would explain it

tchrist

Matt Эллен

meh. ask mars

Robusto

Meh are from mars, womeh are from venus

tchrist

Doesn’t Mars make Almond Joy and Mounds, too?

RegDwigнt

12:36 PM

99% excellence is meh.

Robusto

No. Peter-Paul does.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Yes, it is icky.

Robusto

Maybe that's a division of Mars?

tchrist

RegDwigнt

That's racist.

tchrist

12:37 PM

It starts to be ok once to drop the cocoa percentage.

Robusto

Peter Paul Candy Manufacturing Company

The Peter Paul Candy Manufacturing Company is a candy-making division within the Hershey Company. Peter Paul was originally founded in 1919 by Peter Paul Halajian, a candy retailer in the New Haven, Connecticut area. Halajian formed Peter Paul with some other Armenian investors, and the company's first product was the "Konabar", a blend of coconut, fruits, nuts and chocolate. In 1920, they purchased the rights to Knights Knifty Knibbles owned by Anita Grace Knight in Plainfield NJ and renamed the product, the Mounds candy bar, which featured sweetened coconut and dark chocolate. Other...

So Peter Paul is now owned by Cadbury.

Those British bastards are trying to take over our sweets!

That's positively insidious.

tchrist

I always thought Mounds == Bounty

Matt Эллен

The revolution was a lie!

RegDwigнt

Just you wait till they take over the mud, then buddies will die face down in the British!

tchrist

Robusto

12:39 PM

@RegDwigнt Many already have.

RegDwigнt

So, what is it with Tchrist and superliminal Lindt advertising?

Matt Эллен

although, Cadbury's was bought by craft a few years ago

Robusto

Unknown. I think he has a contract with them.

@MattЭллен Do you mean Kraft?

tchrist

Isn’t it strange that they have an almond version but not hazelnut version?

Matt Эллен

oh! yeah, d'oh :D

RegDwigнt

12:40 PM

Kraft durch Freudian Slips.

Robusto

Cadbury

Cadbury is a British multinational confectionery company owned by Mondelēz International. It is the second largest confectionery brand in the world after Wrigley's. Cadbury is headquartered in Uxbridge, London, and operates in more than fifty countries worldwide. Cadbury is best known for its confectionery products including the Dairy Milk chocolate, the Creme Egg, and the Roses selection box. Cadbury was established in Birmingham in 1824, by John Cadbury who sold tea, coffee and drinking chocolate. Cadbury developed the business with his brother Benjamin, followed by his sons Richar...

~~Guess not Kraft.~~ Bought by Kraft in 2010.

tchrist

@MattЭллен Hence their Powerfully crafty post-acquisition advertising.

Matt Эллен

what I really mean is Mondelez International, which was split off from Kraft in 2012

after the purchase of Cadbury

Robusto

So who the fuck owns our sweets? This obfuscation is conspiratorial.

Matt Эллен

Canada?

tchrist

12:41 PM

Who the hell uses a mācron in a business nāme?

Robusto

Oooohhh Canada!

Matt Эллен

no, wait, Mondelez is a US company

Robusto

@tchrist It's short for macaroon.

Matt Эллен

you own our sweets :(

tchrist

Hm.

Robusto

12:42 PM

And we are going to put the screws to you. Pay up, Limey, or no treat for you!

tchrist

Are there more American wives with English husbands or vice versa?

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен except our sweets have actual sugar in them, and not the high zombie surrogate syrup.

Robusto

Who would keep those statistics?

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt true. we still have that! for now

Robusto

@RegDwigнt It's all sugar when it gets to the bloodstream. Don't kid yourself.

tchrist

12:44 PM

You’d have to couple two different stats sets, I presume.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto there's three different sugars when it gets to the bloodstream. You will know from your son.

Matt Эллен

I think my sucky government is going to change that somehow. some vague memory of hearing about corn syrup to be replacing sugar

RegDwigнt

Besides, the taste happens in the buds, not the bloods.

tchrist

@MattЭллен Heehee. Even you’re calling it corn now.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt He's the one who scoffs at the idea that corn syrup is distinguishable at the molecular level from cane sugar once it's been through the stomach.

RegDwigнt

12:45 PM

Well, tell him that steaks have the same minerals as that stone in your driveway.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt You sounds like pot retailer now.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Ain't about taste, neither. There's a vendetta against corn syrup for health reasons. I think if you drank as much cane sugar in soft drinks as people do corn syrup the effect would be just as inimical.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Chemicals. Call ’em chemicals for optimal freakoutage.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist oh, I call them all corn. maize? wheat? I don't know my arse from my elbow when it comes to these grasses

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I dunno. It tastes like shit to many people. Many people can't be wrong. Look at the Internet.

tchrist

12:46 PM

@MattЭллен Stop smoking grass then.

Robusto

@tchrist mmm pot retailers

@MattЭллен Unless you sit on your elbows, the distinction should become clear eventually.

tchrist

> By late afternoon, Denver police had issued 47 citations for public marijuana consumption at the downtown rally, as well as 16 other arrests or citations for other reasons. Denver Health Medical Center paramedics had treated 14 people, including three who were taken to detox. The hospital's emergency room had treated about a half-dozen people, most of whom had passed out through a combination of sun and substance use.

Robusto

@tchrist What? How do you need detox from THC?

tchrist

That’s like one ticket per 200 people.

RegDwigнt

They called in 47 people to consume marijuana? BRB moving to Denver.

tchrist

12:48 PM

@Robusto They were probably very drunk.

Robusto

Drunk enough to need detox?

I think we should outlaw alcohol! Wait, we tried that.

tchrist

Can’t find attendance estimates.

Robusto

Now the state of Massachusetts is up in arms about Zohydro and trying to restrict and constrain its use (formerly they tried to ban it outright). So their point seems to be that it's better for a lot of stupid cancer patients to die in agony than for someone to use it to get high.

tchrist

It just says "tens of thousands", which is obvious from the pickies.

Thousands of people flew in from around the country for this.

There was a nonstop stream of taxies from the airport, I’m told.

Crrrrazy.

Robusto

They were bragging on NPR how quickly the state legislature moved to pass laws against "up-skirt" photos on public conveyances. They can't pass anything of substance, but give them a meaningless regulation with no push-back (T pervs with foot cameras not being a powerful lobby) and they can do wonders.

tchrist

12:53 PM

> Women in purple wigs handed out purple kush.

Robusto

And purple tush?

tchrist

¿Quién sabe, Kemosabe?

Robusto

Tonto.

tchrist

80,000

Maybe.