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3:01 PM
@M.A.R. I think 'eventual consistency' of the StackExchange DB is a bit sluggish. at least for me. I see your changes now. But I will still make the minorest of edits.
 
@terdon Altiloquence, blandiloquence, breviloquence, coproloquence, fallaciloquence, falsiloquence, grandiloquence, graviloquence, ineloquence, longiloquence, magniloquence, mendaciloquence, multiloquence, pleniloquence, somniloquence, stultiloquence, suaviloquence, superbiloquence, tolutiloquence, vaniloquence.
 
@Mitch Of course you would still make the minorest of edits. Your name is not M.A.R., and my name is not Mitch
 
In case you're ever in need of further -loquence words. :)
 
@tchrist Ooh, please tell me coproloqeunce means "Talking shit. Eloquently."
 
Aye. That's what a coproloquy is.
 
3:03 PM
ecneuqoloquence
 
Sweet!
Hmm. Better, nice!
 
@terdon No, that's coprophagia.
 
I am not willing to pursue this discussion any further. ;)
 
I, however, am the only user of the term coproloquy on the whole wide internet.
 
O, hybrid!
 
3:05 PM
Google cites me nine times. :)
 
Why no coprology?
Terdon must have fainted.
 
@Cerberus That word exists and is well referenced. It's the study.
 
But it can also be the talking.
 
It’s “the scientific study and analysis of feces, for physiologic and diagnostic purposes”.
Oh? Perhaps so.
Scatology.
 
Logos is a versatile word.
Cf. eulogy.
But the qu is Latin.
 
3:07 PM
Wait, strike that. Somebody else used coproloquy than me! I win.
@Cerberus Most of those other -loquence words are Latinate, no?
All, I think.
 
All.
There is no loqu- in Greek.
Nor any qu-.
 
well, there's no q in Greek, so...
 
For there is no /w/ sound in Greek.
Exactly.
And there is no q because, in the main Indo-European languages, q almost only exists in qu, which is a very specific Latin way to say /kw/.
 
they try to emulate /w/ with ου, but it doens't κουαιτ work
 
mbugger
or however you write it in greek.
@M.A.R. on ELL edit queue waiting for approval (possibly could be yours) take a look.
 
3:13 PM
@MattE.Эллен True!
Haha.
Quite so.
 
@Mitch You sure it's waiting for approval?
 
I had to hold myself back from extending it, mentioning spelling errors.
@M.A.R. it was at one time at least
 
Matt is well informed.
 
Matt is in the center of things.
 
@Mitch μπαγκορ, probably. since they don't really discern the a in bag and the schwa in bug.
 
3:14 PM
Or, rather, a drifting island at the edge.
 
@tchrist Hang on, that's coprology. Surely coproloquy means "pontificating while defecating"!
 
Or a hovering island in sci-fi.
 
@Cerberus too kind
 
@MattE.Эллен gah! or should I say guh!
 
@Mitch the centre cannot hold
 
3:15 PM
@terdon I'd interpret it as talking bullshit
 
@Mitch Tsk, no species specified.
 
@MattE.Эллен the widening gyres
probably should get a permit for that
 
@MattE.Эллен That makes sense.
 
@terdon shittalking
 
Bag and beg both sound like an e to a Dutchman.
 
3:17 PM
like cat and ... uh... ket?
 
Bug might sound like either short a or short u (schwa) to him.
@Mitch Yes. Bat and bet.
Cattle and kettle.
 
father and feather?
oops too far
 
@MattE.Эллен We had this discussion the other day; off-glides like trailing semi-vowel /u/ AKA semi-consonant /w/ in diphthongs can easily be perceived as consonantal, particularly when providing the pivot point between syllables with separate vocalic nuclei, as in cow /kaw/; cows /kawz/; cowers /ˈkawərz/; cowabunga /kawəˈbəŋgə/.
 
Father is very different indeed.
 
right
 
3:18 PM
That's a long a, even. To a Dutchman.
Feather is a short e.
 
same in AmE
 
Right!
 
another reason why there's just something wrong with cats
 
Grr.
I like cats.
 
snort
 
3:19 PM
I have to run, bai1
 
later
 
Bayou, bai1
 
baiz
 
@Cerberus I'm totally trolling. Cats are perfectly fine. In a stew, as a roast, or even cold sliced thin on crackers
 
3:21 PM
@Mitch I wanna unsee this
 
Are you all talking about real live cats.
 
@M.A.R. how's that?
@CapriceTillman that's nasty. no, they should be cooked first.
 
@CapriceTillman Not by the time @Mitch is through with them. Although he tends to have to cook them 10 times.
 
@tchrist I see. I have a terrible memory, so forgive me for forgetting
 
but you know that is nasty
you are not supposed to eat cats.
 
3:22 PM
@terdon To make sure there is no bacteria left
 
@M.A.R. 9 lives.
 
@terdon That is slander. That'll just make them tough and remove any flavor at all.
 
@CapriceTillman Mitch photosynthesizes, actually.
 
@Mitch where you from
 
Green things photosynthesize.
Biology 101
 
3:23 PM
@CapriceTillman 70% of what is said in this room (and 90% of what @Mitch says) shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
@CapriceTillman Mars. He's gonna say the US, but don't believe him
 
@MattE.Эллен I can hardly fault you for not having read all the way to the salient bottom of this short answer, which is what spawned the related discussion in here:
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A: Why is /sɪ/ pronounced differently in "six" /sɪks/ and "sit" /sɪt/?

tchristTL;DR: You’re right that six and sit have ever so slightly different phonetics, but those all tally to the same underlying phoneme /ɪ/ in the minds of us native speakers. Your challenge is to learn to think that same way as we do. (This is because the length and onset/offset characteristics of h...

 
@CapriceTillman From the other side of the rainbow
 
lol
@Mitch I am in the U.S
 
Wait. That could be interpreted as a sly reference to Australia. Which is not the case at all.
 
3:24 PM
@Mitch Ohai neighbor
 
No offense meant (by that) towards Aussies.
 
@terdon Including this
 
You all are weird
 
@Mitch But not that ^^
 
3:25 PM
@terdon He doesn't look much like algae
 
@CapriceTillman And wonderful though, right?
 
Algae can't chat
 
@terdon Genau
 
yes and algae is a type of bacteria i think
 
3:25 PM
@M.A.R. Well, if we define chat as the exchange of information, I'm not sure @Mitch can either.
@CapriceTillman Not at all.
Algae are algae, not bacteria.
 
@terdon Point
 
@M.A.R. sentient algae have better taste than to chat
 
Heh
 
@Mitch So you're procaryote?
 
it says they are a type of bacteria
 
3:26 PM
Wonder if I got the spelling right
 
@M.A.R. whoa dude with the casting of aspersions.
 
i thought this was english not science
prokaryote
 
Some of my best friends are bacteria
 
@CapriceTillman Then it is very wrong. Who says?
 
3:27 PM
you are funny
 
@CapriceTillman we use English
 
@CapriceTillman Stupid spellings
 
actually others too
so anything goes
 
Parfois.
 
but you are talking about science
 
3:27 PM
@CapriceTillman You should see this chat when it's about ISIS
 
@CapriceTillman Hey, you're the one who brought science into it!
 
we're talking in English about science
Isis is a beautiful part of the Thames
 
ok that is a whole different story that i would rather not get into
 
@CapriceTillman dude are you a variety of chevy or just mercurial?
 
@MattE.Эллен Ναι, βαρετό είναι. Καλύτερα στα ελληνικά.
 
3:28 PM
where are you all from anyway
 
@MattE.Эллен That would make sense if I only knew what you meant.
 
me neither
 
Yes, it's boring. Better in Greek.
 
@terdon Sassy!
 
Si, es aburrido. Mejor en Griego.
 
3:29 PM
@CapriceTillman I have never seen an internet chat-room that was always on-topic.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that they are usually off-topic.
 
"they"?
 
@terdon Kif kif Griego
 
@terdon all science words are Greek :D
 
After the university entrance exams are over, which language should I learn first?
 
3:30 PM
@MattE.Эллен science words? Like Archimedes?
 
@terdon Internet chatrooms. It's hard because conceptually there is more than one.
 
@MattE.Эллен I know! I've actually gotten points in an exam back in uni when asked what a particular bacterium does, and I had no idea. Its name, however, was Greek so. . .
 
He's Sicilian
 
@Tonepoet Ah, I thought you meant us and were excluding yourself.
 
@M.A.R. for real?
 
3:31 PM
@terdon :D
 
French, Spanish, German, Japanese or something else?
@Mitch Yep.
 
@Mitch like Biology
 
@M.A.R. what do you know already other than English and your mother tongue?
 
@Mitch Little bit of Arabic, a lot of Persian
 
We seem to have scared Caprice off
I wonder what it was...
 
3:32 PM
@CapriceTillman while we're being facetious at the moment, the conversation does very often turn to the finer or more obscure points of the English language and, if you wanted to discuss something along those lines, we'd be happy to.
 
Oh well, they wanted to talk in English
 
Yeah. We can be intimidating in full nonsense mode.
 
@MattE.Эллен alchemy. astrology. algorithmics. surveying.
 
We can't reliably do that
@Mitch ematics
 
@Mitch none of those is a science
 
3:33 PM
@M.A.R. next question. what is the general purpose of what you want your next language to do for you?
 
@M.A.R. Mitchematics!
 
The math part is normal. The ematics is where all the evil comes
 
@terdon Not quite: I am referring to internet chatrooms, as a generalized category of organizations, and excluding myself because I do not qualify as being within that category of whatever.
 
@Tonepoet Gotcha
 
@MattE.Эллен science < Latin scientia < scire to know. :)
 
3:34 PM
@MattE.Эллен elitist
 
@Mitch I don't have any special reasons. Just fun I guess
 
@terdon haha. I get it now. stops laughing
@tchrist Hah! Take that hellenophile
 
Oh, I misread your message
 
@M.A.R. Ah, fun is the reason? Then -all of them-!
 
@Mitch Well, I gotta start with one of them
I could also maybe start Korean.
They say it's not as hard as I think it is
 
3:36 PM
You should probably take one major European language (including Latin) and one non-IE language.
Latin will help with both educated English and with all the Romance languages (if you ever decide that one of those is practical).
 
Aldebaran and Algol, Betelgeuse and Deneb, Fomalhaut and Rigel, Arrakis and Vega.
 
Of non-IE I'd recommend either Chinese or Japanese. They are very different from each other, and the writing system is painful but one or the other is what we'll all be speaking in about 50 years once England and the US have spiraled down the toilet.
@tchrist Wait... Dune?
 
@Mitch The stars' names are Arabic words.
 
Arrakis is the 'fancy' name for Dune, right?
 
Yes.
 
3:39 PM
OK. But what is its star's name?
 
Altair, Alnair, Alioth, Azha.
 
Procyon
 
Alfirst, Adhara, Alchibah, Alphecca.
 
Polaris?
 
3:41 PM
@Mitch English still has a chance! You've forgotten about the big up 'n coming superpower India, which uses it as the de jure language.
 
That page lists eight-score and five starnames.
 
polaris is latinate
 
It is.
 
I predict English Language & Usage will have many more doubts over the following years.
 
Zubenelgenubi, not so much.
 
3:42 PM
i'm just coming up with the (rare) exceptions
 
But Sirius, Canopus, etc.
 
the rule to the exception is 'nonarabic star names must start with p'
 
Are there any Greek star names?
 
@terdon oops
argh.
sirius is greek
 
You're not sirius.
 
3:45 PM
procyon
@terdon Ophiuchus
 
Huh. Sirius is actually Greek. I had no idea.
 
Orion?
"The Plough" is named after all the pubs in the UK
 
@Mitch Since Pluto has been demoted and is no longer worthy of being named after a Greek God, can I rename it Pseudostella?
 
@MattE.Эллен Apparently:
> bright constellation, late 14c., from Greek Oarion, name of a giant in Greek mythology, loved by Aurora, slain by Artemis, of unknown origin, though some speculate on Akkadian Uru-anna "the Light of Heaven." Another Greek name for the constellation was Kandaon, a title of Ares, god of war, and the star pattern is represented in many cultures as a giant (such as Old Irish Caomai "the Armed King," Old Norse Orwandil, Old Saxon Ebuðrung).
Of course, oarion also means ovum, but I'm sure it was also a giant as etymonline says.
 
3:50 PM
@MattE.Эллен That constellation is named after "The pig's trotters"?
 
@Mitch Pubs, not kebab joints.
 
@Mitch PIGS IN SPACE
 
Ah, no, that's trots.
 
@terdon :D
@terdon look man we can make fun of eating cats because they're better than us, but intimating that some eat pigs is just wrong. It's like joking about eating your kid brother because he's a little overweight. uncool man
@terdon Oh. That's better.
Not necessarily accurate.
Maybe accurate for some.
those with questionable intestinal fortitude.
 
Down with the QIFs!
 
3:54 PM
bot lacking in courage, just lacking in a well-balanced colonic microbial biome.
or something
 
@terdon Also Lenin's pet name for his favourite party member
 
@tchrist 45 Arrakis Ar-Raqis The dancer Mu Draconis: I had no idea it was a real star name.
@MattE.Эллен There's so much more to the story that I didn't realize.
 
@MattE.Эллен Well, he certainly knew how to pick 'em!
Chuckle Couldn't resist that one :)
 
:sad trombone:
@Mitch the love triangle you never hear about
 
4:05 PM
bellatrix, Capella (going through list)
@terdon nice
 
@Mitch I knew you'd appreciate the erudite wit on display there. Unlike that philistine troll. :P
 
Castor sounds like latin beaver but ... it's the greek name of the brother of Pollux, so I'm confused.
 
Why latin beaver? It's also the name for a beaver in modern Greek.
 
Mira, Regulus, Spica are the only other latin ones
@terdon Greek must have stolen that word from the future Latin.
 
Heh. But what makes you think of beavers? Is it from your understanding of Latin or is there some beavery connotation to Castor in English I don't know about?
 
4:17 PM
The Angry Beavers is an American animated television series created by Mitch Schauer for Nickelodeon. The series revolves around Daggett and Norbert Beaver, two young beaver brothers who have left their home to become bachelors in the forest near the fictional Wayouttatown, Oregon. The show premiered in the United States on April 19, 1997 and was cancelled on June 11, 2001. The show started airing on the Nickelodeon Canada channel when it launched on November 2, 2009. The series aired on The '90s Are All That block on TeenNick in the US on October 7, 2011 as part of the block's U Pick with Stick...
nothing in there about castor or pollux
 
Bellatrix, Capella, Mira, Polaris, Regulus, Spica
There. Trivia question all set
@terdon castor is beaver in latin?
castor oil is so gross it must come from beavers?
@MattE.Эллен It's pretty obvious that it follows the main plot of the myth about Castor and Pollux. Just like 'Oh Brother Where Art Thou?' follows the Odyssey.
 
they hate eachother and live together, having zany adventures?
 
@Mitch No idea. You're the one who said that "Castor sounds like latin beaver", so I was wondering why.
@MattE.Эллен You're telling me the innuendo isn't intentional there?
 
@terdon Animators are known for hiding things in their cartoons, but putting it in such plain sight...
 
4:32 PM
Servants of the Wankh is the second science fiction adventure novel in the tetralogy Tschai, Planet of Adventure. Written by Jack Vance, it tells of the efforts of the sole survivor of a human starship destroyed by an unknown enemy to return to Earth from the distant planet Tschai. == Plot summary == After his starship and crewmates are blown up, Adam Reith is marooned on a planet inhabited by four advanced, mutually hostile, alien species, the Chasch, Wankh, Dirdir and native Pnume, as well as various groups of humans. In his quest to return home, he acquires three human companions (as detailed...
> The editors of the Vance Integral Edition restored the author's preferred title for the first book: The Chasch. They also altered the second to The Wannek and replaced 'Wankh' with 'Wannek' throughout the text. Vance was convinced to change the name after being informed of the meaning of the word 'wank' in British and Commonwealth slang.[1]
 
Hehe
@terdon 'tis Nickelodeon. Definitely intentional.
 
@terdon lol
 
@MattE.Эллен I was reading another book and that one was mentioned in the "By the same publisher" section and I just had to go and look it up. I thought it was a joke :)
 
there are Wankhmen, but no mention of Wankhwomen
 
Figures.
 
4:41 PM
@terdon Grounds
@terdon wait...what innuendo?
 
@terdon it seems like Vance isn't good with continuity between books?
 
@MattE.Эллен Don't really know. I was about to say I've only read a couple of his books but I'm not even sure I've read any.
 
> In the second book [the pnume] are shown as adept swimmers, but in the fourth Reith escapes capture only because his Pnume pursuer has too heavy a body to swim.
 
@Mitch n. Vulgar Slang The female genitals.
 
> Dirdir
The birdlike, or feline, predatory Dirdir have warred with the Chasch and the Wankh in the past, but on Tschai maintain an uneasy peace due to their relative military parity. In the first book they are described as "sheep-like", but Vance appears to have changed their characterization by the third, in which they are compared to leopards.
bird-like, feline and sheep-like
 
4:48 PM
Ouch
 
I mean, I'm not a published author, so what do I know. If he can get away with it, good on him
 
5:04 PM
@terdon uh...sure...but the innuendo has to have something in the story that corroborates that.
 
Just the name. Without knowing what it was about, my mind did jump to certain conclusions.
Of course, that's my mind for you.
 
oh
 
5:46 PM
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Shog9As of a few minutes ago, if you have a gold tag-badge for a tag associated with a question that's been closed as a duplicate, you can edit the duplicate links to replace, add, remove or re-arrange them: These changes are tracked in PostHistory to allow anyone to detect abuse, while the res...

 
6:13 PM
 
6:29 PM
> ... and then there are 'errors' which are really just variants on the standard or informal versions or socially undesirable variants but are just follow a (slightly) different set of rules ...
?
I think that needs editing.
 
6:42 PM
 
6:54 PM
Even more editing.
 
7:20 PM
I guess mast and master have same origins? seems like no actually
yea like mât and maître have nothing in common
 
I wonder if mark and Mark have the same origin...
 
you're joking?
 
apparently they don't
Mark comes from Marcus
from Latin
mark comes from a combination of Germanic words
 
Who knows, perhaps both are from the same Indo-European root...
 
To be honest, I wasn't surprised that the name Mark isn't related to something to do with a spot of discolouration or a boundary line
 
7:36 PM
I used to make a list of lookalikes that don't share the same origin.
Correction: a list --> lists
 
That's nice.
The name Marcus is from Mars (cf. martial, march).
About the etymology of Mars:
> La forme latine initiale repose sur un radical indo-européen *Māwort-, désignant une divinité aux attributs guerriers mais aussi fertiles et agricoles.
So it seems to be a different root from that of mark.
 
7:52 PM
Mawort. God of war
 
Yup.
 
war, fertility and farming
 
Latin margo (cf. margin) is related to mark, though.
 
oh! nice
 
@MattE.Эллен Obviously very similar pastimes.
 
7:54 PM
blood is a good fertiliser
so I've heard
 
So you've heard.
In the game King of Dragon Pass, you can sacrifice to the blood goddess and thence improve the fertility of your lands for every soldier that dies on your land in battle.
Great game, by the way, if you're into the genre.
 
You have to manage a settlement.
And you get random events every turn that you have to make choices in.
Every decision influences your success, either short term or long term.
 
@Cerberus lol good old Korol
 
Always Korol.
Also on Android and Apple.
 
8:49 PM
@caub how about bow and bow?
needs research
and a muffin.
or a muffin top
which apparently is an actual thing now.
@MattE.Эллен ew
 
Blood meal is a dry, inert powder made from blood used as a high-nitrogen organic fertilizer and a high protein animal feed. N = 13.25%, P = 1.0%, K = 0.6%. It is one of the highest non-synthetic sources of nitrogen. It usually comes from cattle or hogs as a slaughterhouse by-product. == Uses == === Dietary supplement === Blood meal can be used as a livestock dietary supplement and is mainly added to supply dietary lysine for cattle, fish and poultry. Prior to use, it is sometimes mixed with molasses. === Organic fertilizers === Blood meal, bone meal, and other animal by-products are ...
 
bow = thing you tie, to give respect, thing you shoot arrows with, branch of tree < bend (OE)
bow = front of ship (Dutch)
@MattE.Эллен It's what meatloaf is made of?
The Loaf Guard of the Rings
 

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