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8:03 PM
Okay; for now I'm going to assume that the answer to both is no. For one thing, you can snort a powder into your nose.
 
Yes, I would say snorting goes both ways.
I would say snoring only happens when you're asleep (it's never voluntary action, so I'd say you can't do it while awake).
Perhaps there are exceptions, but I can't think of any at the moment.
 
8:25 PM
Thanks.
(I guess my first question was a bit vague; it was only about whether snoring is for breathing in or for breathing both ways. The sleeping part was assumed.)
 
Oh, right.
Snoring is for both.
 
It depends on the type of sound made when sleeping, more than the direction.
 
@Færd snoring is also both in and out
 
Unless one direction or the other doesn't make any noise.
(I haven't studied the phaenomenon of snoring extensively.)
 
Farting and burping are only out
In my limited experience
 
8:30 PM
@Cerberus I presume that means you're unmarried. =P
 
@Cerberus jinx
 
user208178
wat? one of my comment is on the star board, cool. I thought I was one of those <cough> unpopular ones <cough> in chats :)
 
user208178
well it is okay. It is not the popularity contest.
 
@Tonepoet Hah, I am indeed, although I often sleep next to a snorer.
But I usually busier with ignoring than studying the snoring.
 
The only judgement of popularity comes from the chatbots. They're so judgy
 
8:33 PM
@Cerberus Some people make a whistling sound when breathing out, some kinda blow a raspberry, and there are other types of outsnoring too (like through the nose etc).
 
user208178
we used to have a chatbot. Jarvis.
 
@Mitch Your experience is limited. Or maybe mine is too unlimited.
 
@Færd Right, right.
 
I liked Jarvis. He'd do useful things
Like give cokes out for successful jinxes
 
But do they make more noise breathing out, breathing in, or both equally?
 
8:35 PM
And play a rimshot sound for bad puns
 
I don't know. Varies I guess.
 
user208178
!!rimshot
 
Yoga experts can control ... things so that things go in, out, whatever
 
Farting inwards is pretty normal, isn't it?
 
says nothing
Wait...I have something to say now!
 
8:38 PM
Mitch means he farted inwards just now! ;-)
 
Burping inwards happens to me; so the other one is probable too I guess.
 
user208178
"rimshot" is so 1990's. I think we need to come up with a cool new word.
 
Sometimes in my darker moments I think people are too stupid to have universal suffrage, they can't even judge who the right experts are.
 
Cricketing?
 
@Arrowfar 1990's? I was barely alive in the 1990's. I only just heard of rimshot a couple years ago.
 
8:40 PM
@Mitch That's why juries don't work. That's why 12 angry men is just a bland cliche.
 
And lawyers are the worst, the ones who manipulate the juries
 
user208178
yep professional liars.
 
@Færd A jury of one's peers would work. But this is never permitted.
 
user208178
@Mitch highly paid liars. oops bad joke?
 
Well it's worse than that really. They don't just lie but they select the juries based upon who doesn't know how a jury works. Don't click that link if you like serving on juries by the way.
 
8:53 PM
@Cerberus What was that histogram? I got it was men/women by age, but I didn't know what they voted on/what the X axis was.
 
@Tonepoet both sides get to approve or disapprove. But yes I've heard the process tends to select the malleable
 
@DanBron Government employees.
2 hours ago, by Cerberus
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Looks lik ethe government has a male waterhead.
What happens when people turn 50?
 
what's a waterhead?
 
Umm it is a birth defect in babies.
 
oh, so more old men than young women?
is that the idea?
in government positions?
 
8:57 PM
Up to the age of ca. 50, it seems the government employs about the same number of women and men.
 
Leeftied?
 
But employees over 50 are far more likely to be men. Why?
@Mitch Typo!
 
Then the women change into men after 50?
 
It could be a transvestite epidemic.
 
Charlatans!
 
8:58 PM
hmm, if it were 35, I'd have guessed babies. if it had been 65, I'd expect it to be a female waterhead, and the men simply had shorter life expectancies
but given it's 50, and the only predictable thing that happens to women after 50 is menopause ... I dunno?
 
Yes, but that would have been a tiny female waterhead over 65.
 
Women figure it out sooner that this is stupid?
 
Maybe they hit a glass ceiling they can't get promoted past and quit?
 
That's possible.
Or 25 years ago the government didn't like to hire women.
 
Glass ceilings would never work. Too hard to clean
 
8:59 PM
do women have a menopause-crisis like men have a mid-life crisis?
do they go out and buy ferraris and hit on young turks?
 
And most people over 50 who work at the government have done so for most of their careers.
 
@Mitch how often do you get fingerprints on your ceiling? and why?
 
stays silent on the matter
 
@DanBron Maybe some, but it's not as prevalent!
 
assuming most women have kids at, say, 25, then at 50 their kids start turning 25 ... doesn't seem old enough to inspire women to retire and live with their kids
50 seems weird to me.
maybe women get a special package at 50? like their pensions kick in earlier?
what's weird is it doesn't seem the men decline more slowly after 50 than women do, the number seems to actually explode. exactly as if women were turning into men.
 
9:05 PM
@DanBron So it's evidence of transvestitism?
Transgenderism?
I love it!
 
@DanBron Yes, I don't think that's it.
@DanBron I don't think so.
 
@Cerberus What is the chart from? What does the author say?
 
I don't either, but I'm surprised the # of men actually grows
unless the X axis is proportion, not number
 
@MετάEd From a newspaper. But it didn't explain the chart.
 
@DanBron Or perhaps the line at 49 or 50 is moving back every year. It could be evidence that women are pushing men out of their supremacy in government.
 
9:07 PM
8 mins ago, by Cerberus
Or 25 years ago the government didn't like to hire women.
 
Maybe the glass ceiling broke 25 or so years ago.
Yes.
 
7 mins ago, by Cerberus
And most people over 50 who work at the government have done so for most of their careers.
 
@Cerberus That one seems plausible. Not sure why it didn't occur to me.
 
It's still odd.
I would not expect the government to have hired only men in 1990.
Or are the figures skewed by the number of old policemen and soldiers?
But we don't have many soldiers.
And I think we had policewomen in the eighties?
 
It might be skewed by politicians. I don't think there's any way to enforce the Civil Rights Act of 1964 against elections.
 
9:11 PM
Hah.
But we don't have nearly enough politicians for that.
To skew the numbers so severely.
And why so suddenly anyway?
 
Who are these people? Is this the state government of The Netherlands?
 
user208178
Good night
 
@Cerberus Are there any jobs in the govt. that have a Bonna Fide Occupational Qualification based upon Gender? Like does the army need wet-nurses or something?
 
@Cerberus This could also be a change in the way things are counted.
 
@MετάEd Presumably everyone employed by the Dutch government, including cities and towns and public schools. What do you mean by "state government"? Isn't that pleonastic?
@Tonepoet I don't know, maybe submarines?
Nothing that could result in such a large waterhead, I think.
@MετάEd But why would they count people at different ages differently?
Or do you mean they began offering different kinds of contracts to people in 1990?
Resulting in certain large numbers of male employees, who were hired after 1990, no longer being counted?
 
9:34 PM
@Cerberus In American English, state government always refers to government by a piece of a larger country.
But you knew that.
 
@Cerberus You have to study the concept of dual sovereignty to understand it.
 
@tchrist This is not about your country.
It doesn't apply.
 
Are The Netherlands a federation of sorts?
 
@Cerberus "State government" would be like the government of say Holland, rather than the larger Netherlands.
 
user208178
hello @tchrist may I ask what do you think about my English writing I mean judging from the chats? is it average, above average, below average? just curious.
 
Anonymous
9:40 PM
@Tonepoet That's a very interesting way to choose to spend your time. Actually, I decided to read a dictionary cover-to-cover when I was little :-) But I never finished it.
 
@Tonepoet Not for a long time, and we never called it that. Why?
 
Anonymous
But you can find all sorts of interesting words that way.
 
@tchrist It's like saying your president issues royal decrees. It just doesn't make sense.
 
I was wondering if the concept still applied @Cerberus.
 
9:42 PM
@Cerberus How can you have no government but that of the entire country? Is it that small?
 
@snailplane We need that man to handle S.W.Rs!
 
@Tonepoet What would it be like if this concept still applied?
@tchrist ?
 
Surely cities have their own governments!
 
Anonymous
> [A] man has just completed the mammoth, if not bizarre, task of reading the 22,000-page tome cover to cover. [ . . . ] Among his favourite discoveries were obmutescence (willfully quiet), hypergelast (a person who won't stop laughing), natiform (shaped like buttocks) and deipnosophist (a person who is learned in the art of dining.)
 
user208178
what is it from?
 
9:43 PM
@tchrist A city is not a state.
 
@Cerberus Are you too small to have states then? Even Rhode Island has five counties.
 
We have the state.
 
That makes no sense.
How many states do you have?
 
I don't think Ed would have misused the term.
 
Are you being deliberately annoying?
 
Anonymous
9:45 PM
Do you think there's anything odd about referring to a large multi-volume dictionary as a "tome"? Isn't a tome usually a single volume?
 
@snailplane Yes.
 
Anonymous
I left out the word 'odd'. Sometimes I accidentally words out.
 
@snailplane I think it should be!
 
user208178
@snailplane so are you going to ignore me indefinitely? sorry I don't mean to harass. just curious.
 
@Cerberus When dual sovereignty applies, instead of having one level of government be subordinate to another, each has ultimate jurisdiction over separate subject matter.
 
9:47 PM
national government > state (= provincial / regional) government
state government > county government
county government > municipal government
state government < national government
etc
etc
 
@Arrowfar Why don't you just leave her alone? I know you mean well, but sometimes it's best to just disengage.
 
@snailplane I still say yes.
 
Anonymous
@tchrist Thanks, so it's not just me :-)
 
Nope.
A tome is a single codex.
 
user208178
@Cerberus I know. It is just that many well rep are ignoring me since I came back. I'll leave again. It is no fun, honestly.
 
9:49 PM
@Tonepoet I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but, yes, almost all governments have some form of hierarchical levels.
@Arrowfar You're mostly imagining that.
People ignore messages all the time, when they're busy or distracted or just don't feel like it.
I've seen you take things personal that were not about you.
Don't talk about chat: just chat!
 
user208178
like?
 
@Arrowfar I don't have much more rep. than you Arrowfar and I've been on hiatus for a few months, so I doubt they're discriminating against you, or at least based upon that distinction.
 
user208178
@Cerberus Well it is like an emotional abuse mate. No one has any duty to chat with anyone I know but it is all my fault it seems. Well chat can be fun since I get to practice English etc. but now, I am clueless.
 
The Netherlands has 12 provinces which represents the administrative layer between the national government and the local municipalities, having the responsibility for matters of subnational or regional importance. The most populous province is South Holland, with over 3.5 million inhabitants as of 2009. With approximately 381,000 inhabitants, Zeeland has the smallest population. In terms of area, Friesland is the largest province with a total area of 5,749km². If water is excluded, Gelderland is the largest province in terms of area at 4,972 km2. Utrecht is the smallest at 1,449 km2. In total about...
So of course you have state governments.
 
@Arrowfar There is no problem unless you see it as a problem. Just chat.
 
user208178
9:53 PM
All right.
 
user208178
I understand.
 
Hardly anyone is ignoring you.
 
user208178
I'm good.
 
And just ignore those people back that ignore you.
 
The States-Provincial (in Dutch: Provinciale Staten, abbreviated PS – commonly known as simply the Staten) is the provincial parliament and legislative assembly in each of the provinces of the Netherlands. It is elected for each province simultaneously once every four years and has the responsibility for matters of sub-national or regional importance. Each States-Provincial is directly elected by the electors within the relevant province, and the number of seats in each States-Provincial is proportional to its population. The States-Provincial originated as Estates assemblies in the Middle Ages...
 
9:53 PM
@snailplane Interesting definition: tome any volume, especially a ponderous one
 
It is a good policy that results in no conflict.
@Arrowfar Good!
 
Staten = States. QED.
 
user208178
Just don't ban me :) I'm perfectly relaxed.
 
Although it's plenty easy to find alternate definitions
 
> chiefly humorous
A book, especially a large, heavy, scholarly one:
a weighty tome
 
9:56 PM
@Arrowfar I won't! Just don't talk about ignoring or banning or whatever, just chat. Don't waste time and energy on things that you don't get any benefit out of.
 
@tchrist That should be estates, not states.
 
user208178
@Cerberus ok thanks. And sorry.
 
@Cerberus How so? What's the other word?
 
@tchrist Sounds like a tome tome
(oops!) Sounds like a tome to me
 
9:57 PM
It's an interesting distinction too because it gives you something to call The Holy Bible in relation to the many "books" found within it.
 
I see you are one of The people who capitalize articles bizarrely. :)
 
@tchrist The estates general are the former social classes. The three estates are: clergy, nobility, commoners.
The third estate is the commoners.
 
@tchrist You should read the U.S. Constitution sometime if you're so worried about my capitalization. =P
 
> The States-Provincial (in Dutch: Provinciale Staten, abbreviated PS – commonly known as simply the Staten) is the provincial parliament and legislative assembly in each of the provinces of the Netherlands.
 
Would you say "the third state", as aequivalent to "the third estate"?
I would not, but I could be wrong.
 
10:00 PM
Only if I'm very full.
The Fourth Estate (or fourth power) is a societal or political force or institution whose influence is not consistently or officially recognized. "Fourth Estate" most commonly refers to the news media, especially print journalism or "the press". Thomas Carlyle attributed the origin of the term to Edmund Burke, who used it in a parliamentary debate in 1787 on the opening up of press reporting of the House of Commons of Great Britain. Earlier writers have applied the term to lawyers, to the British queens consort (acting as a free agent, independent of the king), and to the proletariat. The term...
 
People often debate as to whether certain words are used as proper nouns or not in the Constitution. v_v
 
But I am pretty sure that the twelve States-Provincial are a dozen state governments for those provincial states. It even talks about their elections.
 
Nope.
 
> The Netherlands has 12 provinces which represents the administrative layer between the national government and the local municipalities, having the responsibility for matters of subnational or regional importance.
 
Note the plural for each provincial parliament: the estates of Holland, the estates of Utrecht, etc.
Each province has several estates.
 
10:03 PM
There's another layer?
 
Used to be.
When the estates were still functional.
Now they only exist in the title of the provincial parliament.
 
The next administrative layer below the national government would be the state one.
You may call it a provincial parliament if you'd like, but it's still state government, as Ed mentioned.
 
You know it isn't true, because I told you. It is called a province, and the parliament of a province is called "the (e)states of province x", to wit, the clergy of x, the nobility of x, and the third estate of x.
 
It's regional government. It doesn't matter what you call it.
 
Now that all member of the provincial parliaments are elected regardless of their former estate, the title is but a relict.
 
10:06 PM
And it's elected.
 
Province is the common, international word.
In Germany, they call them lands.
In America, states.
 
Province is the provincial word.
 
But it wouldn't make sense for a German to say, "das Niederlande Land".
You would not say it.
Unless there was something special, unusual you wanted to convey.
Which is why I asked.
 
In Mexico and India and Australia they are states as well. To pretend that provincial government is anything but state government is senseless quibbling.
 
But it doesn't matter.
Fine, there are a few more countries.
 
10:08 PM
Your rose smells like state government.
It quacks like one, too.
 
@Cerberus Count methods can change, for example it can go from statistical estimating to not estimating.
 
I don't know why you would quibble like this.
 
@tchrist Your presidental dynasties quack like royals!
 
Your what hurts?
 
@tchrist It is you who keep(s) going!
 
10:09 PM
L'Etat, c'est moi.
 
But would I call them kings? Only in jest.
Perhaps to tease you...
 
Quincy.
 
@MετάEd But why would they use a different method to count people from different age groups? They're all working for the government now.
 
@Cerberus In the beginning, we did toy with the idea of "His Highness, the President of the United States of America".
@Cerberus I didn't say they did.
 
One knelt before Washington.
 
10:11 PM
How do you know all those numbers are from the same "census"?
 
@MετάEd Sure, why not? What's his official title now in, say, letter heads or formal proceedings?
Or her.
@MετάEd Well, the government has a database. It has to pay people. So it must know how many people work for it officially. Why would it have different databases for different age groups?
 
@Cerberus Wikipedia says "Mr. President" (informal), "The Honorable" (formal), and "His Excellency" (diplomatic style, outside the U.S.)
 
Ah OK, ministers are Excellentie here as well, officially.
Although I don't think it is often used outside formal ceremonies.
 
@Cerberus Why indeed. But also, why not. Counting things is always messy. I would find out before I came to any conclusions.
 
At least it's not used in parliament.
 
10:14 PM
One addresses them as President X once they have taken the oath of office. That honor is not shed when they leave office.
Or as Mr. President.
> To: The President and President Clinton
Assuming she's sworn in.
She's the first of those two.
Their title is simply "President", as with "Governor" and "Senator", which are also held for life.
Listen tonight when President Clinton introduces his wife.
 
To: The Honorable Hillary Clinton and The Honorable William Clinton
 
@MετάEd Counting things is certainly messy. I'm trying to imagine the kind of situation that you have in mind. A large number of women over 50 work for the government but are somehow not registered as such. But men doing the same jobs are. What could those women then be registered as?
 
Or, more informally, To: President Clinton and First Lady Bill Clinton.
 
@MετάEd How is that any different from today?
 
@Cerberus I have enough experience counting things that I'm not imagining a particular scenario, just cautioning that there is frequently much more to the story of a number than what you might imagine.
@tchrist I think it's not.
 
10:21 PM
@MετάEd I, too, think it must be some weird factor.
I'm trying to zoom in on the possibilities.
 
Actually, I've heard that Chelsea will be First Lady.
 
But I can't think of anything specific that is remotely possible.
 
Somebody has to pick out curtains and china, and you know her folks aren't going to do be doing that.
 
@Cerberus I think that's reasoning in a vacuum -- better to read the story or find the source of the figures and read that.
 
I have read the story.
 
10:22 PM
@tchrist Surely there's a staffer.
 
It was only talking about how hard it was to reduce the overhead costs and the number of employees total.
The source info says "from this newspaper, statistics from P-direct".
 
> Mr. Clinton is not likely to shoulder many of the traditional duties of first ladies, advisers say, like selecting White House china and floral arrangements and presiding as the host in the national home and arranging state dinners. Some of that is expected to fall to the Clintons’ daughter, Chelsea.
 
Or so I would interpret them.
 
@tchrist Your kings are far more royal than the leaders of our government.
I'm sure our PM's wife doesn't do any of that stuff.
 
10:25 PM
Your PM is a mere government lackey.
 
Quite.
But also the most powerful man.
 
That says little. He is a mere legislator.
 
He's single, by the way.
 
Thanks, but I'm not interested.
 
He is no legislator.
At least not constitutionally.
He's not bad looking.
 
10:27 PM
The President is the head of state.
 
I know that.
 
That's why he is not a mere "minister".
Who are just government lackeys.
 
I know that.
Whay about it?
 
I imagine that the King has nice china.
The White House china refers to the various patterns of china (porcelain) used for serving and eating food in the White House, home of the president of the United States. Different china services have been ordered and used by different presidential administrations. The White House collection of china is housed in the White House China Room. Not every administration created its own service, but portions of all china services created for the White House are now in the China Room collection. Some of the older china services are used for small private dinners in the President's Dining Room on the Second...
China has taken over the White House!
 
And I'm sure they have a white house in China.
 
10:31 PM
No, the Russians stole it.
 
The Whites?
 
Casablanca.
 
I thought you supported them.
 
The White House (Russian: Белый дом, tr. Bely dom; IPA: [ˈbʲɛlɨj ˈdom]; Officially: The House of the Government of the Russian Federation, Russian: Дом Правительства Российской Федерации, tr. Dom pravitelstva Rossiiskoi Federatsii), also known as the Russian White House, is a government building in Moscow. It stands on the Krasnopresnenskaya embankment. The building serves as the primary office of the government of Russia and is the official workplace of the Russian Prime Minister == History == Originally called The House of Soviets, it was designed by the architects Dmitry Chechulin and ...
 
Never heard of it.
 
10:45 PM
@MετάEd Pas moi, dit le chat
@Cerberus he's no John Kennedy
 
?
Who would be?
 
Jfk would be one
Dan Quayle would not.
Classic line by Lloyd Bentsen in vp debate (George bush sr election)
"You sir are no Kennedy" said to Quayle after he compared himself loosely to jfk.
 

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