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3:00 AM
Without these guarantees, new releases of The Unicode Standard could introduce instability into existing code.
Have you ever worked with a formal technical standards committee before? It is . . . well, it is like this.
 
The description is actually used in programming? That's odd.
 
One does not know.
It could be.
 
I wonder why.
 
For example, you could write "︘" as a literal in languages that support Unicode literals.
But what if they don’t?
Then you would have to write something like "\x{FE18}".
Well, that is completely opaque.
So people write "\N{PRESENTATION FORM FOR VERTICAL RIGHT WHITE LENTICULAR BRAKCET}" instead.
Note that that one there is almost the longest of all assigned names. Assigned names are normally short things, easy to handle, like "\N{EN DASH}" or "\N{HYPHEN}".
 
Why not write \x{FE18} and put the description in a comment or something?
 
3:04 AM
One can do that.
 
> Plus there's the added issue of the poles being in darkness for a lot of the year.
 
Things is, you cannot know what stuff people have been using and how.
@Cerberus Not since the fall of the Iron Curtain.
 
?
(By the way, it seems someone dug up the curtain and hung it back up, a bit farther to the east.)
 
@Cerberus Lech Wałęsa
 
Oo those poles.
You don't seriously expect people to get that?
 
3:09 AM
@Cerberus That’s because the KGB Czar doesn’t recognize the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
@Cerberus I did, actually.
@Cerb Here, pick one of three:
1. print "\x{1F08}\x{3C6}\x{3C1}\x{3BF}\x{3B4}\x{3AF}\x{3C4}\x{3B7}"
2. print "\N{GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH PSILI}\N{GREEK SMALL LETTER PHI}\N{GREEK SMALL LETTER RHO}\N{GREEK SMALL LETTER OMICRON}\N{GREEK SMALL LETTER DELTA}\N{GREEK SMALL LETTER IOTA WITH TONOS}\N{GREEK SMALL LETTER TAU}\N{GREEK SMALL LETTER ETA}"
3. print "Ἀφροδίτη"
I prefer #3.
#1 is opaque.
#2 is verbose.
However, my position is a controversial one.
It means that people who can’t read Greek, or whose text editors can’t handle it, will have Trouble with a Capital T (that Rhymes with P that Stands for Pool).
 
And the controversy continues :-)
 
@skullpatrol Would that be the conTROversy version or the CONtroVERsy version?
There are those who believe that source code "should" only be in 7-bit ASCII.
I am not amongst them.
 
I will remain on the fence, thank you very much.
 
Dante had a special place for fencesitters.
 
Even for those who are there mostly due to ignorance?
 
3:24 AM
Ignorance is curable. Stupidity is not.
 
Ignorance is finite. Stupidity is not.
 
Now you have me worrying about its cardinality. :)
 
:D
!!wiki cardinality
 
In mathematics, the cardinality of a set is a measure of the "number of elements of the set". For example, the set A = {2, 4, 6} contains 3 elements, and therefore A has a cardinality of 3. There are two approaches to cardinality – one which compares sets directly using bijections and injections, and another which uses cardinal numbers. The cardinality of a set is also called its size, when no confusion with other notions of size is possible. The cardinality of a set A is usually denoted | A |, with a vertical bar on each side; this is the same notation as absolute value and the meaning depends...
 
@tchrist At least it was hung very far to the east.
 
3:31 AM
@Cerberus Not so far east as some would will it.
 
And Putin's pirate capitalism is probably not as damaging to local culture and the local economy as Stalin's communism was.
 
I think Kiev would prefer that it were easter.
 
@tchrist Yes.
It would.
Kiev is pushing the curtain back as we speak.
The area occupied by the rebels is small and shrinking.
 
Makes me think of the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain.
Just a puppet.
I think all our mods save Y are asleep.
 
3:36 AM
I can’t read the key.
 
You can guess.
They have established a bridgehead in the suburbs of Donetsk.
 
I think I heard something on the radio about that.
 
Once Donetsk falls...
Oh, good. I had not.
Does bridgehead work there?
 
At least, I heard them talking about Donetsk.
I hadn’t considered it odd, but I may just be being liberal in what I receive.
 
Good.
 
3:39 AM
macbook# oed --part-of-speech=noun '^\w+head$' | fmt -100
basehead blockhead blunderhead Boghead bufflehead bulkhead bullhead chowderhead copperhead Deadhead
deadhead devilhead dothead drearihead drowsihead drumhead dumbhead dunderhead fiendhead forehead
fuckhead godhead greyhead hardhead hardihead heavyhead hoarhead hogshead hophead ironhead jughead
lighthead loggerhead lovelihead lowlihead lunkhead lustihead maidenhead masthead meanhead melonhead
metalhead motherhead motorhead mudhead musclehead neighbourhead Nethead niggerhead nodhead
 
> Column heading Svetlodarat the junction of Svetlodar/Myronivka entrenched, there besides nazhalov there and female division (snipers). [Automated translation.]
 
It seems to be missing a bunch that I would have expected.
 
I wonder what this female division of snipers entails.
 
Isn’t beachhead a word?
Or is that breachhead?
Or something?
There is a very normal word that is used here.
And can’t find it in my noggin.
 
Yes, beachhead exists.
@RegDwigнt What does a "female division (snipers)" entail? What does the Russian (or is it Ukrainian?) say? See the picture above. I hope it is a division of Amazons.
 
3:43 AM
A bridgehead (or bridge-head) is the strategically important area of ground around the end of a bridge or other place of possible crossing over a body of water which at time of conflict is sought to be defended/taken over by the belligerent forces. Bridgeheads typically exist for only a few days, the invading forces either being thrown back or expanding the bridgehead to create a secure defensive lodgement area, before breaking out into enemy territory, such as when the U.S. 9th Armored Division seized the Ludendorff Bridge at Remagen in 1945 during World War II. In some cases a bridgehead may...
Oh, I know. I forgot to permit an optional hyphen. The OED is stuffy about that stuff.
Oh my goodness.
macbook# oed --part-of-speech=noun '^\w+[ -]?head$' | perl -pe 's/$/,/' | fmt -100
arrow-head, ass-head, back-head, bald-head, balloon head, basehead, beak-head, bed-head, big-head,
black-head, blockhead, blunderhead, Boghead, bolt-head, bottle-head, bow-head, bufflehead, bulkhead,
bullet-head, bullhead, cat-head, chowderhead, chuckle-head, co-head, cop-head, copperhead,
crappit-head, cross-head, Deadhead, deadhead, devilhead, dog-head, dothead, drearihead, drowsihead,
drumhead, dumbhead, dunderhead, egg-head, engine head, fat-head, feather-head, fiddle-head,
It still doesn’t have it. How weird.
 
My spelling correct accepts it without space or hyphen.
 
Same here.
 
Oops.
 
Now I am unpleased.
Because you’re right.
Which means my index didn’t grab interior ones, which seems crazy.
 
Does it normally?
 
3:49 AM
Well, the webby version does.
Apparently I fumbled the CLI version.
 
I don't see bridgehead in your list either.
I do see Negro-head.
 
Damn me.
So it is under bridge albeit with an unsightly hyphen.
 
> As I said before in one of my posts, only nothing less of miracle can save the two republics.

It couldn’t be otherwise as apples go down to Earth not to the sky. LPR and DPR of 7 mln population are waging war with Neo-Nazi state of 33 mln. The more so, heavy and military industry of the two republics are not working for them.

No Air Forces, no tank divisions, no A-A systems, no war industry supporting rebel efforts, and no support on a scale Jews were given in 1948, bode for inevitable.
 
wuzzat?
 
@tchrist My OED still finds it when I enter the word without a hyphen, even though it is written with a hyphen in the article bridge.
@tchrist From the same web log about the war.
Apparently, it is pro-Russian.
And badly translated or written.
 
3:52 AM
When I wrote the CLI version, I made it "hyphen and space insensitive".
But the browser version was written by somebody else and heavily hacked on by me, so it doesn’t know to do that.
 
@Cerberus either it's "woher kommen Sie", or they are not German.
 
Damn drivebies!
Or should that be drivebyes? :)
@Cerb You knew that already, right? The German bit.
Seemed obvious. Plus you even said "German" in scarequotes.
So a friend I’ve known since he was in his teens has colon cancer. He’s 41 now, which is young for that.
 
@RegDwigнt Definitely not German, probably like an immigrant who speaks Dutch most of the time. I just liked the funny broken syntax.
 
Our birthdays are separated by a decade and a couple of days.
Hm, we’d make a fine birthday-trio, wouldn’t we though?
 
Does he smoke?
 
4:00 AM
Gosh no!!!
 
@tchrist Of course.
@tchrist Scary. How is the prognosis?
 
Stage 1.
Only caught it by accident.
So prog is good.
 
Oh, that is good.
 
Is he in good health otherwise, fitness etc.
 
He pigged out on some BBQ, got a gut ache, and his paranoid wife made him see the GI doc. Who found something altogether unrelated.
@skullpatrol Reasonably so, yes.
The big problem is that he eats a lot of red meat.
Which increases the risk by some large factor. He told me what it was. It cancelled with the other stuff he does though.
So it was really really lucky that his wife was paranoid, or they’d never have checked.
 
4:03 AM
He should switch to chicken and fish.
 
Oh wait, I misspoke.
It isn’t even colon cancer, but rectal cancer.
So his tummy ache was unrelated.
 
Hmm.
What is "pig out"?
 
Eat like a pig.
 
Seriously overeat. But the problem was it was super-spicy.
Read: had a lot of capsaicin in it.
 
I have always wondered, does red meat mean "any kind of beef, be it raw or cooked", or does it mean "any kind of raw meat that looks reddish"?
 
4:05 AM
Red meat means mammalian flesh.
 
Are you sure?
Because I have also heard the other interpretation.
 
Absolutely.
No.
 
I have.
 
Yes, blood makes it red.
 
Ask @skullpatrol
 
4:06 AM
Skullpatrol does not know what I have heard. But it doesn't matter.
If you are certain, I will believe you.
Although I wonder how you know this.
 
!!wiki red meat
 
Red meat in traditional culinary terminology is meat which is red when raw and not white when cooked. Red meat also includes the meat of most adult mammals. == Definitions == === Gastronomic === In gastronomy, red meat is darker-colored meat, as contrasted with white meat. The exact definition varies by time, place, and culture, but the meat from adult mammals such as cows, sheep, and horses is invariably considered red, while chicken and rabbit meat is invariably considered white. The meat of young mammals such as milk-fed veal calves, sheep, and pigs is traditionally considered white; while the...
 
That’s simply how we use the term in America.
 
@JarvistheBot Yeah that tells me nothing.
 
Poultry and reptiles are considered white meat.
 
4:07 AM
@tchrist The question is, does it have to be raw for it to be carcinogenic, or not?
That it has to come from mammals is not what I doubted.
 
The white house is called the White House.
 
Fish and seafood (read: pescado y mariscos) are either not considered meat at all, or else are considered white meat.
On a fancy menu, you will have three sections: Meat, Poultry, Fish
It is a strange idea, I know.
Because they mean meat to indicate mammals.
And they will list seafood under fish, which it isn’t.
 
@Cerb eating meat that is still "bleeding" when severed is not good for you.
 
Then again, “fish” is a fuzzy notion. It’s paraphyletic, you know.
@skullpatrol Most flesh bleeds when severed.
 
@tchrist It depends, I would say.
 
4:11 AM
Should be served "well done"
 
You know how "white meat / dark meat" was (supposedly) invented by Victorians so they wouldn’t have to say breast and thigh, right?
 
Yes.
 
On a menu as in a carte, meat can include poultry. On a menu as in a menu, it cannot.
 
In the same way (but not for prudery), in Spanish they divide fish into two groups: white fish and blue fish.
 
> Scientists have offered a number of explanations for the link between red meat and colon cancer. One theory blames heterocyclic amines (HCAs), chemicals produced when meat is cooked at high temperatures.
 
4:12 AM
The blue fish are the fattier, “meatier” fish.
 
So that seems definitive.
 
El concepto de pescado azul (denominado también "pescado graso" (como el atún)) alude esencialmente a la proporción de grasa inserta entre los músculos del pescado. La denominación azul no atiende a criterios biológicos, sino nutricionales. El pescado azul o graso es un grupo de pescados que contiene más de un 5% de grasa, mientras el pescado blanco o magro contiene aproximadamente sólo un 2%. Existe una clase intermedia, los pescados semigrasos, como la lubina o la dorada, que contienen entre un 2 y un 5% de grasa, aproximadamente. La cantidad de grasa influye en la coloración, así que gran parte...
 
We say witte vis or witvis in Dutch. Other kinds of fish are perhaps vette vis, or just "other fish".
 
Where graso is “fatty”, and grasa is “fat”.
 
@skullpatrol I have never seen meat that was still bleeding...
 
4:14 AM
So tuna is a blue fish.
 
Under cooked meat takes more energy for your digestive system also.
 
One fish, two fish. :)
 
I don't eat a lot of red meat.
Only on some days.
 
Except on a catch and release basis.
 
Even so, I have to say an increase in colon cancer of 33% is still not huge as in life-changing.
 
4:16 AM
I stopped eating red meat years ago.
 
Why?
 
Too much controversy surrounding it.
Growth hormones etc.
 
Aren't those also in poultry?
And maybe milk?
> The study from England showed that large amounts of red meat can produce genetic damage to colon cells in just a few weeks, but it does not prove that red meat causes cancer. None of the cells were malignant, and the body has a series of mechanisms to repair damaged DNA.

Still, the research fits with earlier epidemiologic data raising a red flag about red meat. Instead of counting on your body to repair your damaged DNA, do everything you can to prevent damage in the first place.

In the case of colon cancer, there is quite a lot you can do. Keep your caloric intake reasonable and exerci
 
Yes, but I'm not gonna be a vegan :-)
 
That's probably not necessary!
All in moderation!
@tchrist Can you explain to me why Harvard uses...Comic Sans??
 
4:20 AM
@Cerberus Vandalism?
 
As in hackers?
Unlikely.
 
Yes.
 
All versions in the Internet Archive also have the Comic Sans.
 
That’s nuts.
 
It is probably more like a website that was founded several years BC.*
*) Before Comic-Sans-ban
 
4:22 AM
What does it mean?
 
CS was once not taboo.
 
!!wiki Comic Sans
 
Comic Sans MS, commonly referred to as Comic Sans, is a sans-serif casual script typeface. The modern Comic Sans was designed by Vincent Connare and released in 1994 by Microsoft Corporation. It is classified as a casual, non-connecting script, and was designed to imitate the historical look of comic book lettering, for use in informal documents. The typeface has been supplied with Microsoft Windows since the introduction of Windows 95, initially as a supplemental font in the Windows Plus Pack and later in Microsoft Comic Chat. The font's widespread use, often in situations for which it was not...
 
Now if only the same opprobrium might be levelled against that other ugly MS font, um, I think it’s called Aryan or Arial or something like that.
 
Do you know much about Mathjax?
 
4:29 AM
Not a bit.
 
Or LaTex?
 
No. troff.
Sorry.
 
My boss always did the LaTeX for our journal submissions.
Ok, I must collapse.
Good night all.
 
Later pal :-)
 
4:32 AM
Night!
@tchrist Yes, the ugly Nazi font.
 
Do you mind if I ask you @Cerb about gigili?
 
4:54 AM
nvm, it's not worth it :-)
 
 
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10:56 AM
@RegDwigнt The matter is in the public record. That person made a scurrilous accusation, which was patently false and ultimately proved wrong, and repeated it. It was not a case of saying I was mean; it was a case of saying I did something execrable that had dire consequences. Let us note, with respect to the accusation, that even if it were not possible to say things one couldn't take back, said person has offered no retraction, no mitigation, no excuse, no apology.
 
Los salmones y truchas del Pacífico (el género Oncorhynchus) son peces marinos y de agua dulce de la familia de los salmónidos, distribuidos por el norte del océano Pacífico, con alguna especie en el Golfo de México. El nombre científico deriva del griego: onkos (gancho) + rynchos' (nariz), por la forma que toma la boca de los machos en la época de apareamiento. Son peces anádromos, que se desarrollan en el mar y remontan los ríos para desovar, con muy pocas excepciones. == Importancia para el hombre == Comercialmente son muy apreciados por su excelente carne, que alcanza un alto valor e...
 
11:18 AM
Also note that I'm not the one who keeps bringing this shit up. I've moved on, let's hope others will as well.
Jun 23 at 23:54, by Robusto
Let's just say this: "Least said, soonest ended."
 
11:31 AM
@Cerberus I'm sure hipsters have taken up the cause of Comic Sans—ironically, of course; nevertheless it is the nature of hipsters to resurrect bygone fashions and promote them in such a manner. The irony is that this is nothing new; in the '60s old styles were brought back with ironic intent; then again in the late '70s with New Wave. So in seeking to be au courant they are merely rehashing the past (on multiple levels). And doing so, at least on one level, without irony.
 
12:23 PM
@tchrist And people think spelling doesn't matter. I wish I had a nickel for every misspole property name in code I've had to support. And you can't refactor it without triggering massive regression testing, of course. grr
 
@Cerberus I don't know when you sleep but whenever I've checked anyone's seen, it's always have been very less. You can check your seen yourself by having this chat minimized in one window and then going to this chat in private mode in a different window.
 
Chat refreshes by itself, so that might account for that. If the window is open, it doesn't matter if no-one's at home.
 
Yup, that's what I had conjectured.
Or something similar to that effect.
 
12:49 PM
2
A: Price per 100 pieces?

Romulus ParthusLet us say one piece costs $10. So 10 pieces would cost $100. Say, if someone buys 100 or more pieces, you provide a 10% discount. In this case, 100 pieces would cost $900, 110 pieces would cost $990, and so the unit price would be $9. Now, let's summarize the usage: If you want to refer to ...

I would really like to nuke the first two paragraphs (and the last one, of course), as I think they rather bizarrely have nothing to do with the question. But perhaps I'm missing something, so any objections?
 
@RegDwigнt I have none.
 
What is the temperature of the fiber of a toaster?
 
He sounds like he's setting up a math problem, not a usage answer.
 
Not only that, but he never uses the setup for anything. No payoff. It's just immediately forgotten about.
 
That was my point.
 
12:53 PM
@kwak I wonder if we have a sister site with an answer.
 
toasters.se
 
Ah of course.
 
[toaster.se]
 
I thought that was for people going on summer vacation.
 
that is roasters.se
 
12:54 PM
@RegDwigнt That's a lot of work for "yes".
 
Which site is most likely to discuss temperatures ranges?
 
@KitFox Right. That, too.
@kwak skeptics.se.
 
ranges.se
They discuss all kinds of ranges, including the kind you cook on.
 
Walker the Texas Range.
 
@RegDwigнt If there's a discounted unit price for buying 100 pieces, then mentioning that is relevant to the answer.
 
12:56 PM
@AndrewLeach but he already covers that in, well, the actual answer.
 
The preamble is completely irrelevant, just supplying random numbers where any other random numbers will do.
 
I think he just included it because, well, that's how word problems are set up in math.
 
I think you are onto something there.
 
12:58 PM
It's like when my son was six, and we were playing Pictionary, he would always draw a sun first because, well, pictures required a sun, right?
 
Aww. That is sweet.
 
Real-world examples are useful. But the information in the answer could be distributed differently.
 
And cut by half.
 

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