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simchona

1:05 AM

@Daniel You're being impersonated.

Daniel δ

1:37 AM

@simchona huh. do you think i am ?

well i guess i dont usauly talk like this much, its makig sense you think im somone else ?

@simchona After several moments of thought, I have still come to no conclusion about your statement. Do you mind explaining it?

simchona

2:15 AM

@Danielδ Nortonn came back impersonating you. Named himself "Daniel \delta thingy"

Daniel δ

2:40 AM

@simchona Really? I didn't see it :)

I expect it's because he and I were warring over the #!

@Carlo_R.: Apparently he's still able to keep signing on and posting questions under the suspended account, but he also repeatedly comes back under different names as well. It's something of a "war of attrition" to see whether he or we will give up first. By ELU giving up, I suppose I mean the mods will abandon the current practice of deleting any questions that don't have an upvoted answer. They were too slow on this one to delete it before people had answered and been upvoted - if you spot him again, edit #! into the question, and flag for mod attention before anyone answers. — FumbleFingers 5 hours ago

I edited one of his posts to include the #!, and he edited it back, and I put it back in, and he put it back, and I put it in again. I was hoping he'd do it till it was CW. But it was deleted first.

@simchona I wish I coulda seen it.

simchona

3:07 AM

@Danielδ There's another opportunity to get in an edit war with him

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Nortonn is impersonating high-rep users?

doesn't he know the rep score gives him away?

simchona

Trying to force him into another edit war to make his latest post CW

-3

Q: Job Opening, Positions

! Source " Justice Lubbie Harper Jr. and Senior Associate Justice Flemming L. Norcott Jr. will retire in the next 16 months. The last time so many vacancies happened in such short order was from 1991 to1993, when Justice T. Clark Hull, Justice David Shea, and Justice Robert Glass all turned...

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Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:25 AM

@simchona how do you make it CW?

what does that accomplish?

simchona

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Makes it so he can't get rep if it gets some answer/upvotes

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well he just edited

simchona

mwahaha

(f) No material may be reproduced without prior written permission, except the downloading or printing of a single copy for personal offline viewing unless otherwise stated.

From the other site he posted on

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

he is playing into your hands

simchona

It was Daniel's idea.

Funny, his English seems fine

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:36 AM

yeah wtf is his problem

simchona

I don't know. He's all "one strike you're out? UNFAIR"

Well dude, you posted porn

Hi @Gigili

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't think your edit war is working

simchona

Success. It is now CW.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

wow, I spoke too soon

Gigili

Hi @simchona, I see you're having fun!

simchona

3:40 AM

@Gigili Care to poke the troll?

Gigili

What's the point of making his post CW?

simchona

So he can't get any rep when it's merged.

See, right now merging allows him to keep a question if it had upvoted answers

So this preempts that

Gigili

Oh, that makes sense.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

haha, he has the Editor badge

simchona

I think waiwai might not re-suspend him after this. Personally, if what FF says is right, he's just posting these questions all over the internet

and I think there's a few TOSs that aren't being followed

Gigili

3:44 AM

I think he has those comments ready somewhere, or this world is not what it was supposed to be.

simchona

@simchona This is what happens with the "one-size fits all" approach. You use a formula to judge people. — Winner 33 secs ago

@Winner You. Posted. Porn. I think that's a great way to judge you. — simchona 17 secs ago

Gigili

Don't pay any attention to what he says. He's clearly a moron.

@ALL Steady on chaps - this kid is clearly disturbed, but he's also clearly enjoying the attention. I know we all want to vent our spleen, but it's counterproductive to scratch this particular itch. — FumbleFingers 38 secs ago

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

teehee I'm acutally enjoying baiting the troll. but FF's right, it's probably futile.

simchona

"But I have every right to post porn! It would never have been like this if I could ask my stupid, plagiarized questions!"

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You're not entitled to judge him. He's clearly way above our level.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona I gots 10,000 reps that says I am entitled to judge him

simchona

3:56 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And between us we almost make up a Robusto

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

heh

What we need is a bunch of temporary mods so we can actually ban him faster

simchona

That was my idea! But apparently that's not possible?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it's nice of him to put that crap at the top of his questions so he's easy to find

simchona

And for FF to note that he always crossposts with usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/…

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I dunno. Do any SE people ever come here? like the chaos team or whatever?

simchona

3:58 AM

Not that I've seen. Maybe we can grab one?

What happens if we flag a mod?

Gigili

You'll get better results by calling the police.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I flagged his question already

simchona

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You used the wrong "here"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

oops

it's late

:)

Gigili

Good luck!

Off to bed I am, goede nachti.

simchona

4:05 AM

G'night

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Gigili 'night!

@simchona Yes he did! He has a lot of comfort women. But you (and your liberal followers) will look the other way when Clinton the perv acts up! — Winner 1 min ago

Wait, so this is a conservative/liberal thing now? He's acting up because it's the Republican thing to do?

simchona

For 'Murrika!

simchona

4:19 AM

Hi @waiwai933

waiwai933

@simchona Hello

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So @waiwai933, is it possible to give temp mod powers to more users, until we convince this Nortonn character to go away?

Is there some hard-coded limit to the number of mods?

waiwai933

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not temporary mod powers, but something along those lines will be forthcoming. I can't really say more until Monday.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@waiwai933 cool

simchona

@simchona Ha ha ha! You are behaving to type. — Winner 15 secs ago

I have a type guys!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:23 AM

@simchona Sorry, I can't talk to you now that I've learned that you're a Clinton-supporting-porn-hating-liberal-crony-owner

simchona

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But I have cronies! I always wanted me some of those

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona Talk to the hand, crony-owner!

simchona

@waiwai933 Cool. This guy is a handful.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@waiwai933 you are doing something about "Winner", right?

simchona

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Actually, I want minions. Like this

waiwai933

4:25 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Who's Winner? Or what's Winner?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

ooh, yeah, that's better than cronies

simchona

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Q: Job Opening, Positions

=-=-.,-=.,=--,.=-=,.,.=- Source " Justice Lubbie Harper Jr. and Senior Associate Justice Flemming L. Norcott Jr. will retire in the next 16 months. The last time so many vacancies happened in such short order was from 1991 to1993, when Justice T. Clark Hull, Justice David Shea, and Justice ...

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He admitted to being Nortonn, basically

waiwai933

@simchona Interesting comment chain... let me read through it and then I'll merge/delete

simchona

@waiwai933 In addition, the comment FF made seems to suggest he's scraping content back and forth

I wish I could star your GTFO comment forever.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:45 AM

So. For the public record, asking for some sort of probation after your second suspension is not going to get you anything. Your first, maybe, if it's a legitimate misunderstanding. Your second means that you already know what the penalties are, and that you're willingly violating the rules. Also, comparisons to American politicians are irrelevant; this is a private web site, run by its owners, who have the power to set rules and delegate authorities on the site, and you have no inherent right to be here. If you don't like it, GTFO. Otherwise, follow the rules. — waiwai933 14 mins ago

There, now you can star it :)

simchona

Hooray!

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wow, I did not expect @waiwai to use GTFO! Hehe!

simchona

@JasperLoy I have a feeling he's fed up

user19161

@simchona Yes, people will do anything when they are desperate.

Mahnax

hits Nortonn with book

simchona

4:57 AM

@Mahnax Hands you heavier book

Mahnax

@simchona accepts willingly

simchona

@waiwai933 The freedom to play the "politically-correct" game doesn't happen in a vacuum. It happens because of the rest of us. — Winner 16 secs ago

Where is he getting this crud

Mahnax

scratches head

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

simchona

@simchona My rule-breaking doesn't justify the punishment doled out. — Winner 35 secs ago

If I post smut, can I complain about being punished later?

Mahnax

5:01 AM

This guy needs to find something constructive to do.

user19161

I think you are simply too much, and I have met many people like you in real life. Stop your nonsense before you get into deep trouble one day. — Jasper Loy 22 secs ago

user19161

I had to add something in there.

Mahnax

I think I'll toss in a comment too, for the halibut.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@ALL Steady on chaps - this kid is clearly disturbed, but he's also clearly enjoying the attention. I know we all want to vent our spleen, but it's counterproductive to scratch this particular itch. — FumbleFingers 1 hour ago

Mahnax

I don't really care.

(To be frank).

simchona

5:03 AM

I had fun being sarcastic earlier.

He was all "I'm glad you admit you're wrong"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Winner Is your sheer block-headedness keeping you here? — simchona 16 secs ago

Cuz we can be more ~~block-headed~~ stubborn than you

simchona

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 There's five of us, one of him

maybe even more

MWAHAHA

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

All it should really take is two of us: one regular user to flag him, and one mod to delete him

user19161

@simchona This seems to be the first time I hear your mwahaha!

simchona

@JasperLoy Stupid trolls bring my inner evil out. Did you see my minions?

Mahnax

5:08 AM

Well, Waiwai doesn't seem to want him gone at the moment.

simchona

Nortonn S

1 1 5

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20 minutes

Mahnax

19 now.

user19161

@simchona I don't think he is an ordinary troll, I am beginning to think he might be quite an evil person actually. "Evil" is not meant to be interpreted lightly here.

simchona

@simchona So, one should be put to death for saying something disagreeable to some anonymous omnipotent entity? — Winner 53 secs ago

He's sticking it to the Man

user19161

There are now 84 comments on that thread. Also please cast your delete votes.

simchona

5:11 AM

I did.

(17 minutes)

Mahnax

If I had 20k I would.

simchona

He's such an ignorant, arrogant windbag.

Mahnax

I would cast my delete vote so hard.

user19161

I am surprised he did not respond to me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Aw, we're going to delete that question? but it had all the LOL commentary

Mahnax

5:14 AM

@waiwai933 I was wrongfully suspended by "violating" some obscure, politcal-correctness-affirming rules about usage of the site. — Winner 1 min ago

chortles

This is fun!

simchona

For further reference, FF apparently now finds all his questions on other forums. Like UsingEnglish.com

usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/…

There has to be a copyright somewhere

user19161

@simchona If he can post there, why is he posting here again?

simchona

@JasperLoy Because he really needs this answer. He also posted it multiple times there.

Mahnax

@simchona FF?

FumbleFingers?

user19161

@Mahnax FumbleFingers

user19161

5:16 AM

Not FireFox or fishfingers.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Or funblefox

Mahnax

Oh, he plagiarizes too? Or he reposts?

simchona

Fangfnabbits.

@Mahnax Well, reposts but I think the TOS on the other site say you can't

One way or another, there's no attribution

Mahnax

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood what you said.

I thought you mean that FumbleFingers finds all of his own posts on other forums.

was confused, clear now

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I didn't deface the site; you did, but accusing me of imaginary violations. — Winner 4 mins ago

@Winner: "I know you are but what am I?" is not a good retort once you leave 3rd-grade. — Mr. Shiny and New 安宇 3 mins ago

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ".... is not a good retort once you leave 3rd-grade...." English!? — Winner 1 min ago

Mahnax

5:19 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How could you, Mrs. Hiny?!

Defacing our site?

I'm so sorry to hear that you've joined the dark side too.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Winner If you don't understand me, you can post a question about it on english.stackexchange.com, once your suspension ends — Mr. Shiny and New 安宇 1 min ago

simchona

@waiwai933 The user multi-posts on UsingEnglish--similar behavior

If you're really looking at plagiarism

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mahnax It's my new hobby, I go around to sites and find deleted users and accuse them of imaginary violations, and imaginary violins, and violent imaginatings

4

Mahnax

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wow. You're just as bad as he says.

simchona

@waiwai933 Why can't this question be locked. It is disturbing the folks in Ask Ubuntu as well.. :/ — jokerdino 3 mins ago

Erm. How?

Mahnax

5:25 AM

That's what I was thinking.

Our flags don't go over there, so…?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

How is it disturbing?

Mahnax

Their chat isn't even active.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

What disturbs me is that Nortonn might go over there and start asking questions about his computer

simchona

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Maybe there'd be a site-wide ban

2 minute warning

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

so what happens in 2 mins... his first account is open?

simchona

5:29 AM

20 s

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

then he can come into chat, I guess? @waiwai933 are you around to re-ban him?

simchona

now unlocked

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

tingles with anticipation

Mahnax

prepares closevotes

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

so the Nortonn S acct has lots of rep activity but only one rep...

simchona

5:31 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 As well it should be.

Mahnax

66 questions and a whopping 1 reputation, sounds about right…

simchona

english.stackexchange.com/users/23135/nortonn-s?tab=reputation

He should probably have more

Mahnax

Yep, just noticed that.

Oh well, he doesn't deserve any.

simchona

@Noah This site (and other sites created in the same spirit) has the opportunity to selectively (and unjustifiably) bar people, only because of freedom! — Winner 24 secs ago

It's not freedom. It's a private site.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

He can't be serious

simchona

5:37 AM

Well...

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How could the site selectively restrict access, when it operates on the principle of open access? — Winner 42 secs ago

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

he's just trolling us

trying to provoke arguments

simchona

english.stackexchange.com/users/23135/nortonn-s?tab=summary

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

but he's not very good at arguing

simchona

83 rep

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well well

Should we tell him?

we could create a chat room for him to vent in

simchona

5:45 AM

Haha. You do it.

Mahnax

Yes! Invite him to one.

I'll make it, BRB.

Discussion

Productivity levels dropping.

simchona

He probably isn't logged in as NS

Mahnax

He can be, though.

Can I tell him?

simchona

Sure

Maybe he'll stop making socks

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, I'm through with that guy. Good luck folks.

Mahnax

5:48 AM

Hopefully.

simchona

Bye

Mahnax

Thank you, @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇. Bye!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

In my time zone it's fucking early AM, so I'm off to bed

bye

Mahnax

Sim is in a similar time zone, IIRC.

simchona

I'm on CST right now

Mahnax

5:49 AM

Oh, so one hour ahead of me.

simchona

Mhm

Mahnax

I doubt he'll come chat.

jokerdino

you guys are having fun here?

Mahnax

Oh, tons.

simchona

@jokerdino What did you mean about this affecting people in Ask Ubuntu?

Mahnax

5:52 AM

Yes, do elaborate on that, please.

jokerdino

we are getting off track over there

like in chat

and in SU room right now

simchona

Your chats weren't active though

jokerdino

Root Access

For all you Super Users out there. You have backups, right?

Good day, @Noah.

Hello, @Mahnax.

5:57 AM

Discussion

Productivity levels dropping.

Come chat with Nortonn.

simchona

He's a cocky SOB.

in Discussion, 39 secs ago, by Nortonn S

my socratic reasoning changed you all?

Mahnax

@simchona Nope.

I have found a possible FB profile.

simchona

Oh?

How?

Mahnax

Typing "Nortonn S" into the Facebook search.

jokerdino

Hmm

simchona

6:04 AM

nope, not that one @Mahnax

unless he's lying

jokerdino

It could possibly be.

well, seems like he is a Telugu Indian based anywhere.

Mahnax

@simchona He could be lying. His writing style seems Indian to me.

in Discussion, 23 secs ago, by simchona

which province?

simchona

his typical hours of operation are weird

Mahnax

Good question.

simchona

HK isn't a province, is it?

though he could very well be an Indian there

jokerdino

6:06 AM

HK folks won't call their country China.

So, that's a discrepancy there.

1 min ago, by jokerdino

well, seems like he is a Telugu Indian based anywhere.

Mahnax

@simchona Nope.

@jokerdino True.

I'm calling BS on this one.

jokerdino

yes.

well, a good thing is I am an Indian based in Siingapore =)

Mahnax

IIRC, Hong Kong is an SAR.

We need Jasper to converse with him in Chinese.

Jasper, where art thou?!

@JourneymanGeek Do you speak any Chinese?

jokerdino

Nope.

Journeyman Geek

nope

jokerdino

6:10 AM

ok that might be confidential.

simchona

I missed it.

Mahnax

I caught a glimpse.

simchona

Sorry to jump the gun on porn.

Mahnax

It's OK, I think I already knew that.

simchona

I just really want to know.

jokerdino

6:11 AM

It's k. Just keep him on the hook.

Mahnax

Yeah, don't spook him.

simchona

I used the age thing

instead of "because the site rules say so"

jokerdino

Right.

Mahnax

BTW I have a screenshot of his porn post somewhere.

jokerdino

o.O

Mahnax

6:13 AM

@jokerdino Not for pornographic purposes!

jokerdino

OK, what do you guys got about his time zone?

@Mahnax yes got that.

Mahnax

@jokerdino OK.

It's 2:15 PM in Hong Kong.

jokerdino

same here in SG

Mahnax

OK.

Hmm, this is stalling out.

Noah

It's pretty slow!

The comment thing was working faster than this!?

Mahnax

6:20 AM

Yeah, but that's messy and heated.

Noah

Right. @simchona is acting more like a therapist;)

simchona

Haha, I'm trying to kind of work him out

waiwai933

Let me just say to all of you: I sincerely want to thank all of you for trying this. I would join the chat, but since I was the mod who suspended him, it's perhaps best if I stay out of it. But thanks for doing this; I have hope that this will work.

jokerdino

I was on the phone. sorry.

Journeyman Geek

Looking at it? You arn't going to get any straight answers out of him

Noah

6:23 AM

@simchona- And I admire that:)

jokerdino

One thing. HK is not communist

It is democratic government.

Journeyman Geek

Technically? Neither is china ;p

simchona

@jokerdino That's what I thought.

Noah

@simchona- It's still part of China.

Journeyman Geek

Its a capitalist economic model, with a authoritarian government. There's never been a truely communist government in history

;p

Noah

6:24 AM

Let's dont blame him for that

simchona

@waiwai933 So is it kind of "wait and see" with him now?

@jokerdino Careful, don't spook him

jokerdino

well, let him clarify for the betterment of everyone.

He ofcourse is following this chat in incognito mode.

simchona

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Q: More Vacancies Happening?

Source "On June 2, Justice C. Ian McLachlan turned 70 and retired as required by law from the Connecticut Supreme Court. Justice Lubbie Harper Jr. and Senior Associate Justice Flemming L. Norcott Jr. will retire in the next 16 months. The last time s*o many vacancies happened* in such short ...

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OMG

waiwai933

@simchona For now, yes. I'll keep evaluating it, but it would be nice if everything were to turn out nicely.

Mahnax

Hold on, wait to downvote.

Let's try to talk to him before he starts raging again.

simchona

6:25 AM

I just CVed

Don't want him posting five million copies everywhere

True.

Let's calm him down

Well I tried.

-=-=-.-=.,=-,=-.,.=-.

Maybe it does mean something.

Noah

@simchona- Yea, I can see that:)

simchona

6:37 AM

He's delusional

Mahnax

@simchona Yep.

Journeyman Geek

I see a cat, a sarcastic bird, and a koala.

simchona

In the other room I see someone who wont change a whit.

Journeyman Geek

or that

And i'm starting to think needs to get a life

simchona

@waiwai Nortonn S
1:43
@JasperLoy The symbols helps fool the duplicate-detector.
The bad rules should be changed.

He's deliberately circumventing the system

waiwai933

6:45 AM

@simchona Well, he creates accounts to get around the suspension. That he is circumventing the system in other ways is hardly surprising.

user19161

@waiwai Was it you who deleted my chat message? It's OK to be deleted, just wondering. I am just very sick and tired of NS.

Mahnax

in Discussion, 21 secs ago, by Mahnax

You're a loonie.

Too harsh?

simchona

Can you stop him again? @waiwai

waiwai933

@JasperLoy Yes; I just didn't want him to be needlessly antagonized.

@simchona A suspension? Or something else?

simchona

Hes not ready to play nice. We tried.

Suspension maybe? For the pornographic content he posts, or consistently low quality questions

user19161

6:48 AM

@nortonn We are talking about you here too. Please stop and think for a moment what you are doing.

simchona

@jasper don't.

Mahnax

I was wondering how long it would take him to show up here.

user19161

@simchona I don't want him to think we are talking behind his back.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy But we were.

simchona

@jasper he's not worth sympathy.

user19161

6:49 AM

@Mahnax We are not in the sense that he is free to read and join anytime.

Mahnax

@JasperLoy Well, sure. But he didn't appear to be here, so at that time, we were.

He could've been refreshing the transcript, but I doubt he would do that.

user19161

@Mahnax Well, I define talking behind one's back as something truly secret. Our definitions vary.

user19161

@nortonn And I say this with good intentions, no sarcasm: I think you need psychotherapy.

Noah

@JasperLoy- @simchona tried that.

@simchona- Why don't we answer one of his questions? Just thinking, not sure if it's the right approach.

user19161

@Mahnax You should know by now that whatever name you can think of, over 9000 people have it.

Mahnax

6:57 AM

@JasperLoy shrugs

simchona

@noah I'm not inclined to humor him in the least

user19161

@Mahnax There are even some people who think I am the guy in that linkedin profile, hehe.

Noah

@simchona- OMG. He is just posting again and again...

simchona

@noah what'd he do this time?

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