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12:08 AM
Since the room isn't busy right now—can I ask people to take a quick survey for my school project? It'll just take a minute (and I'm running out of people I know in real life). (And even if you think it's fundamentally flawed in some way, please don't say anything (you can email me if you really want); it depends on people not knowing anything about it).
 
12:24 AM
@waiwai933 Oh, I get it.
 
Hi!
 
Ohai!
Killer war going on.
 
@waiwai933 Hey, your survey hangs after the initial form for me.
@KitFox I can't win a single battle any more, so I stopped trying, sorry.
 
@Cerberus That's weird... if you refresh, though, it should take you to the second page. Let me know if that works?
 
@Cerberus Not keeping up on the new stuff, huh?
 
12:35 AM
@waiwai933 One question? That's it?
 
@Robusto Four. But only one real question, yes. (besides name, age, gender, which aren't real)
 
Hahaha.
 
@waiwai933 Nope, I just get the same form with empty fields again. I have JS turned on (I'm on FF). I should try a different browser.
 
I did it on my cell.
 
@waiwai933 I hope you got IRB approval for that.
 
12:37 AM
@KitFox Neva! I stopped doing anything but the occasional faction battle a few months ago.
 
@KitFox High school project = teacher approval. No review board to run it by.
 
@waiwai933 raises eyebrow
Does your teacher realize how much trouble that can cause?
You'll never be able to publish your results anywhere.
Except here, of course.
Since you are really supposed to debrief your participants after the study is concluded.
 
Well, I suppose it's a good thing I have no intention on publishing results. The extent is handing them in (and I suppose if anyone who took it really wants to see it, then to them as well).
 
I'm just yanking your chain.
 
It was a pretty easy question.
 
12:42 AM
@KitFox I have to say, I couldn't tell there for a moment. :)
 
Oh. Sorry. I'm sleepy and not paying good attention to my tone.
Also, epic battle taking place in another tab.
 
Battle's over. Good guys won.
Time for XBox.
 
Yippee!
 
@Wai: Okay, somehow it worked this time when I tried again!
I have finished the survey.
Now I would really like to know what it is about/for!
 
shh
Be patient.
 
12:49 AM
@Cerberus Thanks! (and that goes for anyone else who participated as well)
 
@KitFox stamps foot
But I want to knohow!
 
@Cerberus Survey ends by Sunday (possibly earlier), so I'll let you know then. :)
 
Heh.
OK!
 
1:12 AM
twiddles thumbs
 
This girl is doing a parody, isn't she?
 
Uh, yeah.
 
I mean, her hole accent and language.
After the first few lines I knew she wasn't really defending Palin.
 
Oh wait. You probably won't find that one funny.
@Cerberus She's exaggerating teenspeak, I think.
 
@KitFox Muchly, I should think?
 
1:19 AM
Let me listen again.
Not muchly. About the usual.
 
Yeah, I meant, she doesn't really have that accent.
 
It's possible that she does.
 
@KitFox Hmm why not? The concept is funny. And that guy is doing a decent job.
@KitFox So it's hard to tell?
 
It kinda peters out at the end. I was really rooting for the first guy. He was doing a noble job, but when he gave in, man, the damn just broke.
@Cerberus She's talking like a regular teenager. I hear that frequently at school and in coffee shops. It makes me want to punch bunnies.
Although since she is making stupid jokes, she is probably exaggerating her speech to make her seem more typical.
 
Heh, I will watch some other video of her.
@KitFox Right, that kinda was my impression too.
This one is funny, but you may not like it (too racist).
 
1:25 AM
I can't watch it. It is too scrambled.
But usually I like Rowan Atkinson.
This is one of my favorites:
 
@KitFox Huh, too scrambled?
@KitFox That's one of my favourites too!!
Actually it's my favourite, period.
OMG I only now get the "small guillotine"!
I guess I missed "male" in "male fornicators".
Odd.
 
I never thought twice about the "small" guillotine.
 
There, this one I can watch.
 
Huh, so what did you mean by scrambled?
 
1:30 AM
Except that the audio is out of sync.
@Cerberus Scrabbly and green spotted and pixelated.
 
Both videos are exactly the same for me.
@KitFox I have seen that happen to videos on a friend's laptop: a hardware issue? Can you try again?
 
@Cerberus I tried it a couple of times.
 
Wow.
It looks perfectly fine to me.
Unless it is a CDN issue, it must be something about your computer?
You don't happen to be using an Asus?
 
\No.
 
Because two of my friends with Asus laptops have this happen occasionally.
Oh.
 
1:35 AM
I need to bookmark this for my husband.
 
2:00 AM
Ron Maimon, New York City
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Ugh. Make him be nice
 
Whatever for?
He is crazy. There's no sense in even engaging with him.
 
@Kit What the...
 
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2:34 AM
@waiwai933 Done a while ago. Good luck with the project!
 
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@SonicTheHedgehog Yo!
 
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@mrs Anyway I found this page which showed that even with 2GiB RAM 64-bit Linux can run better than 32-bit, interesting. tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks
 
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3:01 AM
@waiwai933 I prefer using sex to gender. The former emphasises the physiological characteristics and the latter the social roles.
 
3:26 AM
@Jasper Hey. Went out for a walk.
 
 
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5:10 AM
“I see nothing wrong with ‘I think him to be…’, and have used it before!” proclaimed Jon to the silent room.
 
5:54 AM
@waiwai933 I took your survey, I hope you don't mind.
 
6:05 AM
@Mahnax No, that's a good thing! The more the merrier. Or at least the more, the higher grade I get.
 
@waiwai933 Heh, gotta love those high grades!
Are you in grade 10, 11, or 12?
 
I'm in 11th right now.
 
Ah, okay. I am in grade 10.
 
 
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8:29 AM
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Q: Looking forward

user971155recently i've seen a sentence with "looking forward". Could you explain why it contains progressive aspect. Doesn't this phrase mean a thought process which cannot be seen and thus must be regarded as stative and be used without progressive ? Consider a sentence like I'am looking forward to r...

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Q: What's the difference between "I look forward to" and "I'm looking forward to"?

ShazI just don't get the reasoning behind which one is correct in which situation. Typically I use the wrong one, or I use them when I'm not supposed to.

Dupe since Barrie's answer says essentially the same thing as the answers on the older question (both look and looking are possible, but the latter is less formal).
 
9:01 AM
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Q: Do you put double dots when a contraction occurs at the end of the sentence?

CaffeineIs it grammatically correct to use two dots at the end of the contraction 'etc' when it comes at the end of the sentence? For example, All he eats is junk food: ice-cream, pizza, burger etc.. Or should be put just one dot there? like All he eats is junk food: ice-cream, pizza, burger etc. ...

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Q: When "etc." is at the end of a phrase, do you place a period after it?

ShimmyExample: It's all about apples, oranges, bananas, etc. VS. It's all about apples, oranges, bananas, etc..

 
9:30 AM
@JonPurdy whispers Yeah, it seems OK to me too
 
9:52 AM
this question needs reopenning
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Q: How do I spell "subdistrict"?

BrendaGeographically, there are voting districts, taxing districts, and school districts. There are also subdistricts. I have found different spellings of this word (subdistrict, sub district, sub-district). Which one is correct for the USA?

 
Does it? It seems that the supply of answers that are already there say just about everything there is to say on the matter.
 
but it is a valid question because of the ambiguity it raises
 
I must be getting old and cynical. When I read this question, I thought "why would anyone care?"
 
well,yeah that was my first impression too :)
 
If it doesn't deserve to be closed as "general reference", it DOES deserve to be closed as "too localised". It's ONE goddamned word.
 
10:00 AM
hmmmm. I can see that other pineapples might fret over this
they fret over various things we find trivial
 
How would pineapples fret over how to spell such a specific word, and then only in USA?
 
there are a lot of pineapples in the USA
some of them work in government
 
But you raise a really good point. It seems that the aspects of language that concern pineapples are different from the aspects of language that seem (to native speakers) to matter. I discovered this from the other side of the coin.
 
besides, I like Daniel's answer - if this remains closed it could get deleted
@DavidWallace I have only really discovered it coming to this site and thinking "why on earth do you care about that?" only to see the question get umpteen upvotes :D
 
Yeah, for me, it's not Daniel's answer that I like, but his subsequent comments in the face of tchrist's complaining.
 
10:04 AM
yeah, that too
 
Umpteen? I see three.
 
oh, well I was making a generalisation
 
Bosnian has a distinction that I don't quite understand about definite and indefinite adjectives - the two classes have different sets of endings. When I asked my Bosnian sister-in-law to help me to understand the difference, she told me "you don't need to worry about picky little details like that".
So here, I was the pineapple obsessing over the wrong thing.
 
heh. Except that people will look at you funny when you use the wrong ending
 
Maybe; but I'm resigned to the fact that I shall never sound like a native speaker of Bosnian. So provided I get the endings "close enough", I'm no worse off if they're a little bit wrong - I've still made myself understood, and at the same time, made it evident that I am not Bosnian.
 
10:09 AM
true
 
So I can spend my time obsessing over the esoteric points of Bosnian grammar, or I can spend my time learning more Bosnian vocabulary. It's clear to me which of the two will enhance my ability to communicate with Bosnians.
 
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A: Which is the correct idiom: "First thing's first" or "First things first"?

LiznethFirst Thing's First . Because You Are Supposed To Say First Thing Is First . (: Because Your Gonna Do The First Thing First. Unless It's First Things Are First .

 
FWIW, my mother-in-law consistently used the wrong endings.
 
:D excellent.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I wish I had asked this question, just so that I could accept Lizneth's answer!
 
10:14 AM
Just try harder! You can accept it! I believe in you!
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Q: Is there any term in English for a person who starts a debate, but once he is presented some valid arguments or facts, he quickly retreats?

brilliantIs there any term in English for a person who starts a debate, but once he is presented some valid arguments and facts that he cannot rebut, he quickly retreats saying that the further debate is meaningless because his opponents are just stupid, stubborn, dull, etc. (An idiom describing such an a...

I have a feeling brilliant is looking for a synonym for "Robusto" there...
 
@RegDwight - that's exactly what I was thinking; then I thought I had better not say that!
Do you think brilliant is planning to use whatever answer he gets, in part of the ongoing flame war with our robust friend?
@MattЭллен ... which got very confusing with prepositions; because many prepositions in Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian mean different things depending on the ending on the governed noun.
e.g. zgrada = building; za zgradu = for the building; za zgradom = behind the building
 
cool. I take it Bosnian has Slavic ancestry? Or is it Germanic?
 
Oh come on Matt.
 
Slavic.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 please don't ;) I'm not afraid to be ignorant if it leads to knowledge++
 
10:24 AM
I'm just surprised, is all.
 
There is a lot of stuff I don't know about languages.
it could fill a Q&A site
 
@RegDwight - As someone almost said - there's no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid people :-)
And it's not obvious that Bosnian should be a Slavic language. Croatian tries to be Germanic, replacing words that sound too Slavic.
 
Apr 24 '11 at 12:49, by RegDwight
Remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid askers.
 
Oh, you're fucking kidding!
 
10:32 AM
Mar 1 at 19:27, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
This room contains everything. Including the known Universe.
Anyhow. My point is not that Matt's question is stupid, or Matt himself for that matter. I was just genuinely surprised.
But I can cut being surprised any time! I have it under control! Really!
 
It's interesting to me how in the last 20 years or so, the Bosnian and Croatian education systems have both tried to make their languages increasingly different from Serbian; Croatian by introducing Germanisms, and Bosnian by introducing Turkisms.
 
The former because of money, the latter because of religion.
Oversimplifications galore!
 
Turkish itself is an odd amalgamation of parents
It's clearly got Russian influence
and German
 
I think it's the other way round.
 
and Romance
 
10:35 AM
Is "Germanisms" a word? Should I have said "Deutschisms"?
 
Russian has borrowed a ton from Turkish.
Or Turkic in general.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Actually, both as a backlash from the series of wars in the 1990s.
 
Didn't Russia used to run Turkey? Or am I confusing it with Turkmenistan
 
Same difference.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 What are some of the Turkisms found in Russian?
 
Oh, wow! I only said "some", not "all".
 
I don't think them's all.
In fact they don't even list altyn.
Probably because it's still disputed.
 
Yeah, I noticed that. I know what altyn means in Turkish; how do you write it in Russian?
 
алтын
 
And when would you say that instead of золотой?
 
10:40 AM
Nah, алтын is an old coin, three kopeks.
Алты́н (или алты́нник)(от тат. алты — шесть) — старинная русская мелкая монета, а также единица денежного счёта. С 15 века равнялась 6 московским или 3 новгородским деньгам. Последняя позднее получила наименование копейки. В 1654 году впервые выпущена медная монета с надписью «алтынник», а в 1704 году (по 1726) — серебряный алтын. В период с 1841 по 1916 гг. чеканились медные и серебряные алтыны (символ: ). Этимология Название образовано, по мнению И. Г. Спасского и многих других исследователей истории русского монетного обращения, от тюркского числительного алты — шесть (что соотве...
Note how it's never been made of gold.
 
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What is the difference between "I am pissed off" and "You are pissing me off"? That is the best difference question I answered, hah!
 
Gee, you wouldn't want to spend it all at once now would you?
 
So it's not from the word for "gold", it's from the word for "six".
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 That coin looks like it's for the ferryman at Hades.
 
@DavidWallace back in the day there were coins to ¼ kopeks. One kopek was really a lot!
 
10:43 AM
@RegDwight - do you know a fair bit about Turkish?
 
I know exactly one handful of words. And some very basic stuff about their cases.
So I could order dört ekmekler, but that would be it.
 
I used to go very frequently to a Turkish restaurant. The owner, Hasan, didn't know my name, but he knew what I liked to order. So instead of writing down my order, he would write down the word enışte. I found out that this means "brother-in-law", or more generally, a male relative by marriage. But I figured there must be a hidden meaning to it, or he wouldn't have used this word to mean me.
 
how odd!
 
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@DavidWallace It might have a different meaning.
 
I idly wondered whether it was because he knew that my wife is a Bosnian, from a Muslim family; and that he was drawing an analogy between marrying into the Muslim world and marrying into his family.
 
10:46 AM
Oh, and BTW, these days there's a chain of jewelry shops called АЛТЫН, who obviously do mean gold.
Warning: eyesore.
 
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This reminds me of "jewelry" and "jewellery".
 
jooalree
 
Blinky stuff.
 
@MattЭллен Interesting - that's not how I pronounce it
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Gold is not a nice colour to me. I think steel watches look better than gold ones.
 
10:48 AM
For me, it rhymes with "cooler E"
 
Metathesis, huh.
 
@DavidWallace yeah, I hear that here too. I find it a confusing word to pronounce.
 
user19161
Wait, "jooalree" could rhyme with "cooler E".
 
First things first. Let's tackle February.
 
user19161
You guys are confusing me as always.
 
10:50 AM
Feb you ree
 
Why is February an issue? It's pronounced phonetically for Christ's sake!
 
@DavidWallace I miss out the middle r
 
I have always pronounced it with all four syllables and both Rs.
 
Yeah yeah, pronounced phonetically and written orthographically. Thank you for your help.
 
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I will change my username in 2 hours. Time to think about it.
 
10:51 AM
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Yes. Seen visually and heard by ear.
@RegDwightѬſ道 That would be second things first :-)
 
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I wonder what wai's survey is for.
 
I'm sure I mispronounce January.
 
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I took it and it was fun!
 
"wai" is Maori for water.
 
10:53 AM
@DavidWallace not in the Mayan calendar.
 
user19161
"wai" is Chinese for crooked.
 
So what does that say about waiwai933?
 
user19161
Water cannot be crooked, so Maori is not Chinese. QED.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Also 933 is a radio channel here.
 
"wai" is lolspeak for why
 
10:55 AM
So what does that say about waiwai933?
 
Yes, I can see how much shorter it is.
 
as in "wai u haz ma cheez burger?"
 
I no hez, I eated.
 
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@RegDwightѬſ道 It says he is a good boy.
 
U cn haz ma cheez burger n eet it 2.
 
10:56 AM
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Q: Adgective or Noun?

Obmerk NinenineWhat is the right form to use when talking about plural citizenship ? "we are Italian" or "we are Italians" ? (or American, Or German or any other ending with "*an") Same issue for "Saudi" or "Saudies" , "Israeli" or "Israelies" .. I understand that one is used as a noun and one as an adjective. ...

 
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I wonder what Putin is putting on his pudding.
 
"bow" is English for bend forwards. "bow" is English for fancy knot with loops. "fancy knot with loops" cannot be "bend forwards", so English is not English. QED.
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My jokes are not starred because they are too funny.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 pouts wai u do that?
 
11:00 AM
Jasper - may I ask you whether you are a native speaker of English? Feel free not to answer if you don't wish to.
 
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@DavidWallace I think yes but the rest think no. "native speaker" is not well-defined.
 
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@DavidWallace No need to be so polite with me!
 
OK, then I'll be rude. I was just wondering about your sense of humour. It doesn't seem characteristic of a native English speaker.
 
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@DavidWallace Well, my two cents on the matter is this: humour is not English. QED.
 
user19161
In the same way culture is not language.
 
11:04 AM
Oh, I don't dispute that. But I don't understand my pineapple wife's jokes, and I've given up making jokes at home (the whole annoy the pineapple business).
 
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@DavidWallace I would think though that a non-native speaker would have difficulty getting jokes because of the nuances of the language.
 
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However one could also not get jokes because he thinks very differently which is probably the case in my case.
 
Well, yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. My wife says things that aren't funny (to me) and expects me to laugh.
 
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@DavidWallace It could even be a male female difference!
 
Hey, unrelated, I have never asked a question on any SE site. Does one gain reputation from asking questions, as well as from answering them?
 
11:08 AM
you get 5 reps per up vote on a question
 
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@DavidWallace Yes 5 points per upvote and 2 points for accepting an answer.
 
What do you lose per down vote?
 
and 2 reps when you accept an answer
@DavidWallace 1 reps, I belive
 
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@MattЭллен Too late.
 
@JasperLoy How jokes I funny different think than.
 
11:09 AM
well, that seemed awkwardly conincidental
hi @Robusto :)
 
Hola.
@MattЭллен What was awkwardly coincidental?
 
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@DavidWallace You lose 2 rep per downvote but you downvote others' questions for free. When you downvote others' answers you lose 1.
 
@Robusto David left just as you arrived. He had been mentioning that he might have offended you. I'm sure it's just coincidence
 
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@Robusto I am wondering too. "That" and "it" are often not well-defined.
 
@MattЭллен Coincidence that he offended me?
 
11:11 AM
@Robusto coincidence that he left as you arrived
 
@MattЭллен For the record, I am not offended, but I will not be dragged into point-by-point flame wars in chat here. It's discourteous to everyone else. I regretted letting myself lose my temper and get involved in the whole sordid mess in the first place, so I withdrew from those arguments and those people who were involved. I don't mind discussions and slagging and all of that, but that is one area I am determined to stay away from.
 
11:37 AM
Hi! everyone! It's a very nice weather here in Taiwan. Just stopped raining. The air is very fresh. I am about to go buy pizza soon. Btw, what is more correct, "Taiwan for UN" or "UN for Taiwan" (a slogan used by the Taiwanese rallying for the return of Taiwan's membership in the UN)
 
I'd go for "Taiwan for UN"
or "UN membership for Taiwan" if that's not too long
 
@MattЭллен Then the Taiwanese again made a mistake. It's really funny how they just don't care to check with naive speakers before making some official statements or writing some official announcements in English.
 
Well, it's not invalid.
I would read "UN for Taiwan" to mean that the UN likes Taiwan
but it could mean that Taiwan want the UN, like "Bread for Taiwan" would mean that Taiwan wants bread
 
Could "UN for Taiwan" mean that the UN is after Taiwan?
Ah! I see. thank you.
 
No problem :)
 
11:43 AM
All right! I am out to buy pizza!
 
12:00 PM
and we're back in the 90s!
 
OMG look who's here.
F to the X.
 
F'x
well, I got a flag on Matt's <td>
 
Hahaha.
 
F'x
so I came rushing in on my high horse and save the day :)
 
So that's how we can get you to visit.
 
12:01 PM
I flagged it because it looked silly by itself
@Fx yay!
 
F'x
and now, the balance of the force^WXML is disturbed
so, I can flag other mods' messages; that's an interesting feature
 
Quit touching my stuff!
 
F'x
I'm not touching your junk
 
F'x
@RegDwightѬſ道 I was thinking of a more TSA-oriented reference
anyway, I think the appropriate sentence now is: my work here is done
see you!
 
12:07 PM
tarah!
 
Mar 22 '11 at 19:39, by Robusto
@RegDwight — Right, light up a room and leave.
 
12:20 PM
Wait, someone lit up the room and I missed it? Damn.
@Reg: Looks like both wars are lost, so pointless to participate in, yes?
 
@Robusto don't shock me like that.
We have a 1k lead in the active one.
Used to be more, so we might or might not have to invest some work into maintaining it. But don't bother with the def war.
 
12:36 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Sorry, I misspoke. I meant the contests were decided.
Hmm ... is it worth spending WBs to get Bulging Mantis spam?
 
I dunno. I remember spending 75 WBs on Grim Specters and a fat lot of good did they do me.
 
Empress, Sanctuary, Credo Mech, Scepter, Evacuaters, Benediction, Placid Glider, Praetor, Righteous Punisher and one other card looks like a tough def deck to crack.
 
12:53 PM
Hmm, not for Gorelesup, though.
But I suck no matter what deck.
 
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1:17 PM
@brilliant You mean "native speakers" and not "naive speakers" I guess.
 
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@brilliant Well, "Taiwan for UN" could be a call to include Taiwan in UN. "UN for Taiwan" could be a call to UN to include Taiwan in it.
 
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@brilliant Enjoy your pizza!
 
1:32 PM
Keeping your name, so far, @JasperLoy!
 
1:45 PM
ah, I see I needed to refresh
 
@WillHunting - Thanks. Yes, of course, I meant native speakers. (My mistake doesn't mean that I consider them to be naive :) I am a bit confused: what's the difference between "a call to include Taiwan in UN" and "a call to UN to include Taiwan in it". I mean, what makes the second call to be a more directed one?
@WillHunting "Enjoy your pizza!" - Thaks. I just got it. A genuine Taiwanese-Italian one! :)
 
Anyone else have the sneaking suspicion that I'm going to be laid off in June?
 

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