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5:00 AM
Right.
 
Do you think that might be part of it?
Oh, this is kinda interesting.
 
But I will have noticed many other questions that I could have cast a closing vote on, because every single new question that is posted can be closed, and any older linked question can be closed too. But the number of questions that can be reopened is much smaller, so chances are much, much smaller that I will come across a question that I can vote to reopen, ceteris paribus.
 
But I do not know why it is not on the reopen queue.
See how almost all the reopen history items are saying to leave it closed?
 
Yes, because the close-happy people are the only ones who go through that queue. Janitors will janit.
A form of regulatory capture.
Or reverse regulatory capture.
I don't know what to call it.
 
Are you closehappy?
 
5:05 AM
People who like "cleaning" enjoy both closing questions and going through review queues.
 
Why does that stop you from going through that queue?
 
@tchrist Depends on whom you compare me to.
 
Do you think the queues are bad?
 
@tchrist I don't like it. I don't think that is what the site should be about, cleaning.
 
Shall we just get rid of the closevote queue and keep the reopen queue?
 
5:06 AM
@tchrist I don't know.
 
They put it there to address what they felt to be an issue.
 
I think providing people with more tools and more information is almost q.q. good, so I couldn't in good conscience vote to take that away from people.
As I said, the problem is scaling, and the solution is allowing preventative opening votes.
 
So these are your Usual Suspects, aren’t they?
 
Because I think it is good that off-topic questions can be closed quickly, but I don't think it's good how there is nothing to balance those five votes against.
 
But there is.
 
5:09 AM
I don't really want to look at that list.
 
And this was discussed on MSO.
I actually think I should go find that, because it is very relevant.
I can paste the list for you.
 
A delayed counter-effect is much weaker, because of the huge decrease in visibility, as I said.
@tchrist I usually DISagree with TPTB on policing issues, so it's probably not worth your time.
And I have to go to bed.
It's 6 AM.
 
Ok, I am sorry to keep you up.
 
Not your fault.
 
No, it is that the don’t close votes have some effect, but that it is designed not to be an up/down tug of war.
 
5:11 AM
?
 
Because they do not want that.
There is some cancelling though.
 
Aren't the "don't close" votes just...an absence of a close vote?
 
If it reaches 5 don’t close votes before it reaches 5 close votes, it zeroes the other one and vice versa.
No, they are not.
 
Ah.
I didn't know that.
 
They are disagreeing with the close vote.
And they have some potential effect.
That is different from saying nothing.
 
5:13 AM
Now if they put a "don't close" button right on the question page, even before there were any close votes, that would be balancing enough.
 
The thing is, it is rather hard to see the don’t close vote counts.
I knew you would say that.
 
Good.
Then my work here is done.
 
Good night.
And good morning.
 
Night!
How is your rice doing?
 
Good. I am ok with it.
Something strange, though. I have been getting ding-downed on a few of my accepted answers. Odd. Probably pissed somebody off.
 
5:15 AM
Good.
@tchrist Yeah happens to the best.
 
I even added some peas. Seems ok. I didn’t overeat.
 
Better not piss people off.
 
Hard to avoid, this side of the grave.
And sometimes even then.
 
It can be done.
Now I'm off.
Bye!
 
5:38 AM
@Cerberus here is the citation I was looking for:
> The behavior of "Do Not Close" is not set in stone, but as it currently stands, once a post receives 5 "Do Not Close" reviews, it is dequeued and its close votes begin to age away.
That was on October 15th.
I do not know whether it has changed since then.
 
6:01 AM
I would just like to say that Dostoevsky looks fabulous with a cupcake for a head.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:10 AM
I cannot see these hats. Alas.
And no, I did not opt out.
But I appear to have apotheosized:
Thank you Christ — Dhushan 1 hour ago
 
 
3 hours later…
9:58 AM
@MattE: OK, I can log into blog.stackoverflow.com now. So what do I do next? I don't see any tools for writing there. Just a big dotted-line box.
 
Jez
10:09 AM
you know, based on that blog post kit posted yesterday, you know who I think has been most misleading? my grandma.
she always said (or implied) that you just need to be "a gentleman" and the women will basically be falling over you.
apparently that's just the bare minimum, unlikely to do the job. maybe it was because there was a much higher woman:man ratio just after WW2. the surviving men really did find it that easy to get women.
 
10:28 AM
@tchrist But where is your nimbus then?
 
10:45 AM
Morning. Would you still capitalize "a Trojan [horse]" if refering to malware?
 
I would. And I would make sure to use a prophylactic against it.
 
@Robusto Always wear Trojan when in doubt of Trojans?
;)
 
Exactly.
 
@Robusto Thanks. And merry christmas!
 
Same to you.
 
Jez
11:34 AM
ha, someone's brought a baby into the office.
how distracting.
 
11:52 AM
@Reg this is a dupe:
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Q: Do I need a "to" for a second infinitive in a sentence?

marc wellman It was common practice to first test and execute a program's source code by hand before using a computer. It was common practice to first test and to execute a program's source code by hand before using a computer. The first version of the sentence is without a second to, the second ver...

But I can't find the other.
 
12:29 PM
I don't know why I have a bow. It doesn't show a bow on the list of hats. I am so confused.
 
What bow?
 
It will show up in a bit prolly. It did finally come through and tell me what it was for.
 
I see it.
I have that on Physics lol
 
Oh yes.
 
@KitFox try the tag.
 
12:40 PM
I wonder what the bow is for.
 
I am a bit dizzy from writing up that monster answer on meta, so I'll go grab some eats first.
 
Well done.
 
I know, I always grab eats in the most professional way.
 
@AndrewLeach I could tell you, but it is a surprise one.
@RegDwighт Oh, good idea.
 
@RegDwighт Being first in the queue?
@RegDwighт Good answer. I wonder if I ought to modify my behaviour. Or maybe spend less time on the site...
 
12:49 PM
Uhm guys, what's the fundamental difference between closer and close-up/close up?
Both mean very close, but is the first more like "more close"?
 
Does Nortonn every edit his questions? I didn’t think he did.
 
Closer is merely that you have reduced distance. Close-up means you are very near, like right in someone's face.
 
Is that the only difference that allows you to avoid confusion between the two terms?
I know they're different, but I can't express it in words. lol
 
They are not usually the same, but this is near: I want to sit close up. I want to sit closer.
 
I'm ready for my close-up now.
New York is closer than DC.
You can see it really well if you get close up.
Close up has a more restricted usage.
 
12:53 PM
What do you mean exactly?
 
You can use closer in more places than you can use close up.
I’d like the closer of those two pies.
 
Yes, until there, I got it. I don't know what usage she was referring to though.
 
A pie close up is probably undesirable.
 
xD
So closer is always a comparative, while close-up is a state?
You're always comparing with closer. (Closer now than before. Closer this than that.)
Am I right?
 
Sounds like it.
 
12:57 PM
@Alenanno Yeah.
 
Ok thanks. I have to run now, but I'll be back as soon as possible. Thanks everyone for the help!!! :D
sends pasta to everyone as a reward
 
Closer also has substantive uses, but then again, so do close-ups.
 
@tchrist Not so far. But he is getting more sophisticated.
 
Well, I found one posting that had like 4 or 5 features of his, so I flagged it, but then I found another by the same guy where the poster edited it, so now I wonder.
Is he actually becoming more sophisticated?
 
@Mr.Shiny! It seems like I haven't seen you in ages.
 
1:05 PM
@KitFox yeah I've been busy...
 
You're getting done here, aren't you? Your time is winding down.
 
er... that sounds ominous!
 
sighs sadly
 
-2
Q: Ask Questions To Somebody

Nortonn SI am not clear about 'ask': story For now, we don't know the answers to any of these questions, and we may never know. All that police can do is start asking them to people of the already shattered and traumatized Newtown, including the children that were in Sandy Hook. This suggest ...

That's been edited, and actually isn't a very bad question.
 
He has quite a few good questions.
They used to stay open, too. But that only made him post tons of crap. So we went to the other extreme: deleting everything of his the second we see it. Now the pendulum starts to swing back.
 
1:09 PM
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Q: to facilitate the rights

mobiledanI have a question about the verb 'facilitate': here The Securities and Exchange Commission today adopted changes to the federal proxy and other rules to facilitate the rights of shareholders to nominate directors to a company's board. OALD says that 'facilitate' should be followed by a...

 
Hi
 
That is the one that smelled like him.
Hi, Noah.
 
Hi, @tchrist
 
@tchrist I agree; that and the other one.
@Noah Hi Noah
 
@AndrewLeach Hi
What's new?
 
1:12 PM
@AndrewLeach But he-whoever-he-is edited the other, which is why now I wonder.
 
Watched Shrek Forever After— again.
 
@tchrist I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave earlier. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7334839#7334839
 
Mayhap.
 
But I don't understand the story very well, specially the part where feona gathers the troop to fight that other little guy.
 
@Noah I haven't seen it. In fact I don't think I've seen any of those films.
 
1:18 PM
I dont know how the whole story got to that part all of a sudden.
 
Did we have some other questions like this one lately?
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Q: How do I present a word ending in “‑f ” that may be plural or singular?

David EykWhen we don’t know if a word refers to one or more, it is common to use a parenthetical s: door/doors: door(s) lamp/lamps: lamp(s) What’s the best or least awkward way to render this for words that change their form when pluralizing, such as words ending in -f ? shelf/shelves: shelf(ves)? d...

 
@AndrewLeach I am not sure if it's a movie for people your age.
 
@Noah That's alright then :D
 
@AndrewLeach :)
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Q: "X will do for Y" vs. "X will do as Y"

RameshConsider the following sentences: An empty box will do for a table. The box will do fine as a table. One uses for, the other as. Are the two interchangeable? Can the for be replaced with an as without affecting the meaning?

Isnt this more like a GR?
 
@Noah My test for GR is to find the reference.
 
1:22 PM
@AndrewLeach But this is more like as vs. for
 
@tchrist we had at least two, at least one of which you answered.
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Q: Parenthetical pluralization of words ending in "-y"

fordarehSentences constructed with a word written in the singular and parenthetically in the plural are straightforward when that word does not end in -y, e.g.: List all applicable employee(s). How does one handle words ending in -y? Is this correct: I will attend the party(ies).

 
@Noah Usually we allow preposition questions because prepositions are difficult for people to master. However, I suspect we'll send them all over to ELL once that is live. If it ever launches.
 
Jez
what on earth is L'chaim?
 
Ah yes. I was wanting to crosscheck tags. Thanks.
 
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Q: How to deal with irregular plural(s)?

suszterpattWhat happens if you have a written phrase like We were looking at the same poster(s). but with a noun that has an irregular plural? E.g. with baby/babies, would this be the correct form? We were looking at the same baby(ies). Or, as a more exotic case: We were looking at the same ...

 
1:24 PM
@Jez It's a Yiddish word -- comes in a song in Fiddler on the Roof.
I guess Hanukah was recent.
 
Jez
something they use to describe Hanukkah or something
 
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Q: What is the optional plural form of a word that ends in “‑y”?

Jeremy WigginsI guess “optional plural” is the correct term. I’m referring to things like It can be found at the following location(s). Please pick up your ticket(s). But how do I do that to a word that ends in ‑y? Take category for example: “category(s)” doesn’t seem correct, because categorys is a...

 
Jez
there's a hell of a Jewish bent on stack exchange, isnt there?
 
@Jez It means "life" I think and you use it to "cheers" when drinking.
 
The last one is the one you answered, @tchrist.
 
1:25 PM
@RegDwighт So how does merging work? The original question goes away and the answers get merged into the new one?
 
@AndrewLeach Not very. Two weeks ago.
 
@AndrewLeach Does Yiddish have any similarities with Hebrew?
 
@Robusto no, the original question stays.
@Joe: merging does leave up all of the questions involved. It merely transfers all answers (and comments) from question X to question Y. But question X is still left as a signpost, pointing to question Y using a different wording. It is not deleted. In other words, merging is identical to closing as duplicate in every regard, except that all answers are conveniently collected in one place. What I'm putting up for debate here is what place that should be — this right here, this, or this. — RegDwighт 22 hours ago
 
@RegDwighт That's damn fast. Sometimes I think Reg is a bot.
 
But shouldn't the new answers be merged into the oldest question?
 
1:27 PM
@Robusto you can merge in whatever direction you wish.
 
I dont know if all communists are the same:)
 
Normally it's new into old.
 
But in this case it's old into new.
 
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Q: Parenthetical pluralization of words ending in "-y"

fordarehSentences constructed with a word written in the singular and parenthetically in the plural are straightforward when that word does not end in -y, e.g.: List all applicable employee(s). How does one handle words ending in -y? Is this correct: I will attend the party(ies).

 
Sometimes the newer question is better.
 
1:27 PM
That smells like an exact dupe.
 
My computer is very slow. Dont know what's wrong with it.
 
@KitFox sometimes the question is better; sometimes the answers are; sometimes the OP of the older question is not around to accept/edit/whatever. Sometimes the older question is actually closed but has nice answers that can live on on the new one.
 
And that stuff too.
 
I don't get it. The accepted answer for the question you link has 15 upvotes. The new "accepted" answer has but eight.
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A: Is there a pejorative alternative to "improvise"?

Ignatius NothnagelBoth "contrive" and "slapdash" are given by Thesaurus.com as related words with negative connotations. Also, "to hatch" and "to throw together". I would also add "to hack", though the meaning of the word has changed in the digital context.

And it's by a different person.
 
@Robusto ah, but you misread the comment.
 
1:31 PM
Oh ... related.
 
I merged one question, and then mentioned yet another one that was somewhat related.
@Robusto yeah.
 
Why can't you just speak German so we can understand you better.
German surely wouldn't have allowed such a jury-rigged misdirection.
 
Ich verstehe nur Bahnhof.
 
Ja, und ich habe meinen Zug verpasst.
Meinen?
 
@Robusto No, it would be more of a higgledy-piggledy one in German.
 
1:32 PM
Yes, accusative.
 
Having is accusative.
 
Jemande*m* verpassen means to beat them up.
 
Ah. See, that's the one I'm most familiar with, having been beaten up so much.
 
You do sound quite upbeat.
 
Klassenhiebe is a tonic for the soul.
 
1:34 PM
Funny that he hasn’t been beaten down yet.
 
I think that's the word.
BTW, all should notice my jester's cap, and fear it.
Lest I jest in your direction.
 
Already?
 
why doesn't my hat show up here?
 
They are all site specific.
 
I guess the cache has to time out.
There was an issue with the gravatars not showing up in chat last night. Got posted to Meta.
 
1:37 PM
Hmm. Oh.
 
Why do they affix our uid via the “share” link?
 
But some of you have hats in chat.
 
Why track that?
 
You get badges for referrals.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Those have had hats longest have cleared the cache hurdle.
 
1:38 PM
Just outside SE, though, right?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Those are shopped.
 
Where is @Matt? Oh, right ... he's British, and lazy, and it's Christmas month in Merrie Olde England.
 
sighs I guess I don't know anything this morning.
I have to go clean the snow off my car.
bbl
 
@KitFox Let me point out that that is merely a conjecture as well.
 
@KitFox Mine is like pasted on.
I think I shan’t commute today.
 
1:40 PM
I got my login issue taken care of.
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Q: Just earned a hat. Went to collect, and authentication won't recognize me. Bah, humbug!

RobustoTalk about giving with one hand and taking away with the other. See this question for an explanation of the issue in detail. I thought it was only for the blog site, but apparently it involves hats, too. Seriously, this is getting tiresome. I'm close to 100K rep among the various SE sites I bel...

Prompt, courteous service.
 
@Robusto Yay!
 
I think it was the "Bah, humbug!" that got them moving. @GraceNote's more pedestrian title to the earlier question got no action at all.
See? A snappy headline is better than a boring one any old day.
 
@tchrist I considered that, but I left early yesterday to avoid the glazed roads, and it is better now than it was this morning at my usual commute time.
Plus, I have a meeting. And I miss my monitors.
 
0
Q: meaning of "testotum"

stexcecIn the novel "A DAY AMONG THE LIARS", there is this sentence: "My rod creaked and bent double, and the birch spun like a testotum. Please can anyone explain the meaning of "birch spun like a testotum"?

Balls as small as an iota?
An apprentice factotum?
Another word for scrotum?
 
1:44 PM
And I'm going on vacation next week and returning to an implementation, so I really should have my proper prep space...
keeps talking to herself
 
@Robusto MSO has about the same number of questions per day that ELU has, right? The colorful pickies they chart out show the two in the same size, I think.
Lord, Google indexes us fast: here.
 
@tchrist The difference is, one got results, the other didn't. I don't care about vote count.
 
@Robusto I never thought you did.
 
Or maybe it was my heart-wrenching plea for assistance during the holiday season. I did my best Little Nell impression.
 
@KitFox you can talk to a wall for a change. But careful! If you talk to a wall for long enough, the wall talks back to you.
 
1:47 PM
 
@RegDwighт All in all, you're just another talk in the wall.
 
So that's why I'm so obsessed with bricks.
 
Could be.
 
Robusto explains the world!
 
In technicolor. Robusto Illustrierte!
 
1:50 PM
I know no way to search for a real (s), either on SE or Goo.
 
Commute. Laterz!
 
Nell and Neil are too alike in this font.
 
@Robusto Is it this A Day among the Liars?
Edward Page Mitchell (Bath, Maine, March 24, 1852 – New London, Connecticut, 1927) was an American editorial and short story writer for The Sun, a daily newspaper in New York City. He became that newspaper's editor in 1897, succeeding Charles Anderson Dana. Mitchell retired in 1926, a year before dying of a cerebral hemorrhage. Decades after his death, Mitchell was recognized as a major figure in the early development of the science fiction genre. Mitchell wrote fiction about a man rendered invisible by scientific means ("The Crystal Man", published in 1881) before H.G. Wells's The Invisi...
 
I dunno. Wasn't my question.
@tchrist Which reminds me: I hate broken pipes. Give me a good | any day.
 
Those are distinct code points in the reference glyph set.
But in practice, they may not look different.
 
1:53 PM
Then they should practice more.
 
‭ ¦  00A6       BROKEN BAR
        = broken vertical bar (1.0)
        = parted rule (in typography)
 
parted rule ... is there a lady-parted rule?
 
The lady parts when and where, and whom, she will.
‭ |  007C       VERTICAL LINE
        = vertical bar
        * used in pairs to indicate absolute value
        x (latin letter dental click - 01C0)
        x (hebrew punctuation paseq - 05C0)
        x (divides - 2223)
        x (light vertical bar - 2758)
‭ ⚮  26AE       DIVORCE SYMBOL
        x (infinity negated with vertical bar - 29DE)
‭ ❘  2758       LIGHT VERTICAL BAR
        x (vertical line - 007C)
‭ ❙  2759       MEDIUM VERTICAL BAR
‭ ❚  275A       HEAVY VERTICAL BAR
‭ ⟊  27CA       VERTICAL BAR WITH HORIZONTAL STROKE
        x (parallel with horizontal stroke - 2AF2)
        x (triple vertical bar with horizontal stroke - 2AF5)
 
Funny, but bars only look vertical to me when I'm lying on the floor of them.
 
The DIVORCE SYMBOL looks like a bicycle because she gets to keep the car.
 
1:57 PM
> What is the difference between the words Allocated and Allocated.
Funny copypasta mistake.
 
> Women are like hurricanes: in the beginning everything is wet and wild, but when she leaves she takes your house and your car.
@RegDwighт One comes before the other in that sentence.
 
@Robusto but which one? Please be precise!
 
@Robusto I scare-quoted “rule” because it is in fact a Law.
@RegDwighт s/be//
 

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