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3:00 PM
Prep, eh? Hm.
 
@Cerberus "often have an idea" does not justify a "not true at all". No exaggerations.
I did say "part" of the reason.
You sweep it away in a wrong generalization.
 
Sense 13 was so far down I missed it on first scan.
 
@tchrist All this sounds right.
 
We had a question just yesterday where we didn't know whether to migrate it to SO or SU.
Just yesterday.
 
So preposition + gerundish verb, I would say.
 
3:02 PM
Even though like 90% of us are on SO.
 
@RegDwighт Fair enough, "part" of the reason—but anyway, that is obviously irrelevant for the question in question.
 
To set the bells a ringing = to set the bells to ringing = to set the bells ringing = to ring the bells
 
Oh no, SO v SU!
 
@Cerberus I have no idea if it's relevant to the question in question, or any question on Linguistics, for that matter.
I was just answering your question.
You asked for a difference, in general terms, I provided that difference.
 
So do we have a wrong answer up there somewhere that we’re closing things against?
 
3:03 PM
You were no longer talking about a particular question at that point.
 
@RegDwighт I knew the/a relevant thing to tell the OP in that question, and I did it. So there was no problem with understanding what he was after.
 
> (In literary Eng. the a is omitted, and the verbal sb. treated as a participle agreeing with the subject, and governing its case, to be fishing, fighting, making anything. But most of the southern dialects, and the vulgar speech both in England and America, retain the earlier usage.)
 
@RegDwighт Whenever we provide a hint to an answer in a comment, we must necessarily already understand enough of what the OP wants.
 
See what I mean? It is treated like a participle.
 
@Cerberus You are free to do that. But others are free to object to it. And mods are free to delete it.
 
3:04 PM
Not a verbal sb = gerund.
 
@Cerberus many people provide full-fledged answers without understanding the first thing about what the OP wants.
 
Odd.
 
@tchrist Right, but this is very complicated: once several different expressions are being conflated, all bets are off.
 
How can a present participle have agreement in English?
 
@RegDwighт But now I don't know whether I am free to do so.
 
3:06 PM
> treated as a participle agreeing with the subject, and governing its case
Don’t understand.
 
what is a present participle?
 
In English?
It’s an -ing word.
 
@tchrist Agreement in the case of two nomina or one nomen and a finite verb coincides with modification.
 
At least, I thought so.
 
The thing is just that agreement is not visibly marked in this case.
 
3:07 PM
Agreement only makes sense in languages with inflected participles, no?
 
I would not put it like that.
 
I don’t know how to make an -ing word agree in number, gender, or case with an English noun.
 
But linking it to that noun syntactically.
 
Seven lords a leaping
 
But yes, depending on your definition, you could say agreement is not a good term here.
It is just convenient.
 
3:09 PM
The OED doesn’t usually use grammatical terms in ways that confuse me like this.
 
What other word would you use?
Modify, probably.
The participle modifies the subject.
 
Oh.
Yes, that is more sensible.
Or rather, more immediately obvious in sense to me.
 
But I think agreement is older, and it can be used for any nominal modification, you could say.
 
I still need to chase @Reg’s links to make sure we don’t have a wrong default answer.
 
Modification is probably fairly new.
@tchrist Yes, please do.
I also think we have an older question about the reflexes of Germanic ge- that could be relevant.
Asked by JSBAngs.
 
3:11 PM
I was right: we have a wrong answer.
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A: The times they are a-changin'

Jon PurdyThe "a-" prefix is a poetic construction that's a holdover from Middle English "y-", which is derived from Old English "ge-", a prefix attached to present and past participles. The usage is still current in German, but in English it's now used almost exclusively in poetry—normally music lyr...

That is not right.
Poor lad.
What he is talking about does not apply here.
The a + -ing word is not the worn-down ge- or y- thingie.
They are different.
 
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Q: Why is "str" sometimes pronounced as "shtr"?

slhckMy understanding was that the cluster "str", for example in "stress", is usually pronounced /stɹɛs/, just like Wiktionary mentions. Their audio sample confirms this. However, I sometimes hear a different kind of pronunciation, namely "shtress" or something like /ʃtɹɛs/ (forgive my IPA knowledge)...

Actually this is a possible dupe.
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Q: Pronunciation of voiceless alveolar fricative /s/ as ʃ (/sh/) in slang?

mikuObserved some words get pronounced with a /sh/ rather than /s/ in certain situations. Stripes as "Shtripes" (from some "The Wire" episode) Screw it as "shcrew it" (from a rap song) In both situations, it seems to be a matter of emphasis, but is there some generic etymological root to this, e....

 
Looks like it.
I am not familiar with that phenomenon, as I am not a consumer of such “songs”.
I have to cope with $job now, and worse things.
Young Master Purdy’s answer merits a contrarian comment at least.
Oh, sense 12 also applies. Here are some of its cites:
1662 H. More Ant. ag. Atheism (1712) iii. xiii. 130 ― The shrieks of men while they are a murthering.
1692 Bentley B.L. 211 ― The state or condition of matter before the world was a-making, which is compendiously exprest by the word chaos.
1727 Wodrow Corresp. (1843) III. 296 ― Tomorrow, all day, papers will be a-reading.
> 12. Process; with a verbal sb. taken passively: in process of, in course of, undergoing. Varying with in: ‘forty and six years was this temple in building.’ arch. or dial. (In modern language the a is omitted and the verbal sb. treated as a participle, passive in sense; as the house was a building, the house was building. In still more modern speech a formal participle passive appears: the house was being built.)
 
@tchrist As I mentioned, surely thish ish what Shir Sean Connery's shpeech is normally like? He's Shcottish, which may make a differensh.
 
OIC the OP answered it himself. Then I guess we can go ahead and close, then merge. But I gotta run so you'll have to handle the closing.
Lators.
 
@AndrewLeach Yes, you are right there, too. Shir Shean talksh with mothballzh in hizh mouth.
 
3:25 PM
@tchrist Have you fixed this mess yet?
Tell me where you need our votes!
 
@Cerberus No. I do not know how to fix it. I do not have time today to post a complete answer, countering. Maybe a comment and a link to Barrie.
 
@tchrist That will do.
 
3:48 PM
@tchrist shongs
@AndrewLeach As a general rule, in Irish, s is pronounced sh at the beginning of a syllable, and ss (unlike the English z) at the end. So the Irish word is is pronounced to rhyme with the English hiss. The pronunciation of Sean also accords with this.
 
Interesting.
So sit is pronounced like...
 
Or perhaps seat?
 
@Cerberus If the word existed in Irish, which I don't think it does.
@Cerberus The Irish is pronounced the same as (and means the same as) the English she.
 
@Zairja Hehe.
@TRiG Hmm no? Oh, this is Celtic Irish, not the Irish accent in English?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "Daarbij is de hoeveelheid opslag niet uitbreidbaar met bijvoorbeeld een micro-sdkaart."
No SD card for the new LG Nexus, they say.
 
@Cerberus Aye. I'm talking about the Irish language, because mention was made of the pronunciation of the name Sean, which derives from that tongue.
Well, Séan, actually.
 
3:57 PM
No removable battery either.
I hate that so much: they make their machines like throw-away objects that you have to replace sooner rather than later.
 
@Cerberus Like bedclothes, yes.
 
@TRiG Right, Séan makes sense.
 
@Cerberus Yeah, non-removable battery is annoying.
 
@MετάEd Um.
Right.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So do you see a pattern here?
 
@MετάEd I'm not going to ask what you mean, because I don't want to know.
 
3:59 PM
@Cerberus About "no card reader"?
 
The best product to sell is one that breaks soon.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah.
 
@TRiG It's pronounced like sheet. :-P
 
@Cerberus Built-in adolescence.
 
Well, as I mentioned before: it's excusable in a phone. But not, IMO, in a tablet.
 
@TRiG Heh, why adolescence?
Or do you mean obsolescence?
 
4:00 PM
@MετάEd Well, if it were spelled sít, it would be.
 
@TRiG yes.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I still think it is inexcusable in a phone, unless you put lots of internal memory in it. A card reader is not that large!
 
The invented word "sit" would be pronounced "sheet".
 
That sounds Romance-like, actually.
French.
 
@Cerberus Yes. It's one of those misunderstandings/jokes/misheard whatsits that I picked up somewhere in one of those little humour columns in some magazine.
 
4:01 PM
> The separate a is now rarely used, being replaced by the full on, in, or the various prepositions which represent them in modern idiom; except in a few verbal constructions, as to go a begging, to set a going; and in temporal distributive phrases, as twice a day, once a year, where it has been confused with the ‘indefinite article.’
> But the preposition a really remains in a large number of combinations, where present spelling treats it as a prefix to the governed word, and the whole as a compound adverb, as abed, afoot, aback, around, atop, afloat, asleep, alive. As these combinations are now viewed as individual words, they will be found in their alphabetical places. The separate uses of a, treated here, are very numerous, but all included in those of OE. on.
 
But it would of course be spelled "suigh".
 
@TRiG Ahm ahh.
 
sidhe
 
@Cerberus That's easy for you to say. But industrial design is hard. And each additional part, which costs pennies to make, translates into relatively large retail price differences. And fitting one more tiny feature into a cramped design is hard. And there are lots of usability questions about SD cards. By not having an SD card, or even an SD partition, the GN is easier to use because there's less to confuse people.
 
dolesces
 
4:02 PM
@tchrist Yes, I can sidhe that.
 
@tchrist One of the things I really should get around to one of these days is learning Irish properly.
And the actual grammar and linguistics of it.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 As I said, then use 64 GB internal memory. In fact, I would prefer that over an SD card, because who ever takes out his SD card?
 
> b. Especially, with adverbs of repetition: once, twice, many times, oft a day (OE. on dæȝe), twice a week, thrice a year. In this construction a is now generally explained as the ‘indefinite article’; and it has, through such phrases as a penny a day, fourteen shillings a weeks, led to the use of a to express rate, or proportion, as in a penny a mile, tenpence a pound. Comp. French deux francs par jour, and deux francs la livre.
 
The difference between 16 GB and 64 GB internal memory really should be small, price-wise.
 
@tchrist And that's why the Lord of the Sith is really ... Michael Flatley.
 
4:04 PM
But it really is a meaning per there, and hence a prep.
 
@Cerberus But that extra memory costs more. And they are trying to keep the hardware costs down so that they can, eg, put a more expensive screen in, or something.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Only a tiny bit more. Memory is fairly cheap.
It is important enough to warrant a small extra cost. Buyers look for larger memory.
 
@Cerberus In engineering school we learned how relatively small changes to the input price of designing a product lead to relatively large changes in the MSRP. Don't discount it so easily.
 
That just depends on whatever price you set. Your own choice.
 
Hullo. How do you say "unlike the previous ones" when they were two cases before this one? This is the third case and I want to say unlike the others but also implying that the others were only two.
 
4:06 PM
Unlike the previous two.
 
@Cerberus Thank you.
 
You might want to add "unlike the previous two cases / messages / examples / etc.".
 

 Penthousing

discussing penthouse related issues
Why?
 
I know!!
I never understood that room.
There is also a kitten room, I believe...
 
@Cerberus So you don't know?
 
4:07 PM
I can be inconsistent, right?
It's very consistent to be inconsistent now and then.
 
-1
Q: What is the correct usage of 'WANTING' in the U.S

sheilaIs anyone else annoyed by the usage of 'wanting' in such instances as below; "she was wanting to call her friend" I've noticed this disproportionately among Americans in the south. They seem to replace the phrase 'wanted to' or 'wants' (in this case they'd use 'was-wanting' as opposed to 'wan...

Close the bitchy peever.
 
@Cerberus Well, you could be consistently inconsistent, or consistently consistent, i.e. inconsistently inconsistent.
 
Ah, but it doesn't work like that!
In- + in- ≠ [zero]-.
 
@tchrist I don't have the rep to vote to close, but I've downvoted.
 
So you can be inconsistent on neither a consistent nor inconsistent basis?
 
4:10 PM
Good enough. Thanks.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 deja vu english.stackexchange.com/questions/76142/…
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Now that sounds like "a foolish consistency".
Dammit. I killed the room again.
 
Murderer.... </gollum-voice>
anyways I must be off to lunch. cya
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Foooooooooooooood!
 
4:26 PM
Hi.
 
I ate today in a strange place today. It's called the Liberty Café. All the signs pointing to it (it's hidden upstairs in an office block, so it needs signs) have an image of the Statue of Liberty. The inside is full of US flags, and the whole is decorated with still photos from films.
@Bane Hi.
 
@TRiG Do you live in the US?
 
@Bane Ireland.
 
Huh, Ireland's cool.
 
@Bane I don't object to having Holly Golightly and the Rat Pack oversee me while I'm eating, but the flags were a little much. I did, however, finish Catcher in the Rye over lunch. Perhaps the US theme was appropriate.
 
4:32 PM
@TRiG That's a great book!
 
@Bane In the massive list of "classic novels I've not read", it was the only one I felt guilty about. So now I have read it. Good.
And yes, it is a great book.
 
I'm mostly stuck with reading medieval literature these days, and I'd rather not to... I hate the concept of having to read 24 books in a school year, it makes no sense. And half of those books I will probably not even understand!
 

Aww!

To clarify, spiders are not on-topic here. Ever
@Bane What language? Middle English?
 
@TRiG Haha yes, that one.
 
European literature, mostly.
 
4:40 PM
@Bane So a bunch of languages?
@Cerberus I'm sure there's a counterpart to that room, somewhere, where spiders are on topic. In fact, only spiders are on topic.
 
@Bane You will be glad you read many of them later!
 
Well, the works are translated into Croatian, if that's what you mean, but yeah, they originate from a bunch of other cultures.
 
@TRiG Oh, dear...
 
@Cerberus Hey, spiders are cute too!
 

Terrifying Nightmare Monsters

Because the meanies in the Aww! room hate spiders (chat.stacke...
 
4:42 PM
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Q: Update chat FAQ to clarify looser, more social tone

ZivChat FAQ says: What can we chat about? This site is an extension of The Stack Exchange Network, so discussion should more or less revolve around the same topics you'd find at The Stack Exchange Network — but in an interactive, less strictly Q&A focused way. Do have fun, but please ke...

 
What's the "Aww room"?
 
Poor punctuation there!
 
Yes, but hilarious nonetheless.
 
3 mins ago, by TRiG

Aww!

To clarify, spiders are not on-topic here. Ever
 
@TRiG Haha.
 
4:43 PM
"Terrible Nightmare Monsters"? Hah, does that belong to a(n?) SE site?
 
@Cerberus That's how I found the Aww room. It's linked from that question.
 
Ahhh.
 
@Bane Apparently it's related to SE itself. That's the branding it has on it. But I've seen other chat rooms which claim to be related to SE, but have SO branding. I don't know why there are sites with SO branding on chat.SE, since SO has its own separate chat.
Incidentally, Ask Ubuntu used to have its own separate chat, and the legal page still refers to chat.askubuntu.com, but this is no longer the case. Ask Ubuntu chat is now part of the chat.SE network.
 
Hm, well, OK.
But should I say "an SE site" or "a SE site"? "an" feels more natural, but I wouldn't say "an Stack Exchange site".
 
Wow, they are trying to sell Iphones for € 1300 !?
Those people are nuts.
 
4:47 PM
@Bane The distinction is based entirely on pronunciation.
 
maybe it's a phone and something else? like... diamonds?
 
@Bane And we come to the second most popular EL&U question.
 
@Bane You can use either, depending on whether you pronounce it "es ee" or "stack exchange" in your mind in that particular sentence.
 
@cornbread!
 
waiwai933 on November 04, 2011

One of the prevalent questions on the English Language and Usage – Stack Exchange is about whether a or an is the correct indefinite article to use. It’s a straightforward question, but like all questions, there are subtleties that raise further questions.

General Rule The question of “a” vs “an” is always decided by the pronunciation of the word that follows the article, without exception. Words that begin with a vowel sound, such as apple, egg, or owl, use the indefinite article an. …

 
4:48 PM
Thanks!
 
@MattЭллен Or they think the phone is made of solid diamonds.
 
@MattЭллен Oh right, actually our most asked question.
 
@Cerberus interesting, that would be a wonder indeed!
wait... we have a blog?
 
A ?
 
"[blog]"? Why the parenthesis?
Oh.
I get it now.
 
4:50 PM
I was hoping it would auto expand
like [meta]
or [faq]
 
There we go.
 
you have to add the square brackets
ah!
 
boing
But no blog love.
 
5:10 PM
Oh. I didn't know.
Oh.
You should feature request [blog].
 
5:25 PM
88/300 users. Slowly but surely.
 
at the end you'll level up and feel like a boss
 
Hahaha
 
@KitFox will you be done by the end of the school year? :)
 
Um, maybe...
I'm still trying to figure out why the project lead sabotaged me. I'm thinking it might relate to the positive feedback he's gotten from the prior users about the new interface.
Oh, ffs, Kit, you stupid foxen. punishes self
 
5:40 PM
Hello guys!
@Carlo_R. I’ve been learning English language for more than a half century, precisely 66 years since junior high. I don’t think the composition of the sentence “There is properly no history, only biography.” requires special and high level of knowledge about grammar and the meanings of “history” and “biology” simply available from dictionaries. I don’t think any of Oxford, Cambridge, and American Heritage Dictionary would give a workable answer to my question, which has nothing to do with a trove of dry definitions of word, “history” and “biology,” nor grammatical composition of it. — Yoichi Oishi 8 hours ago
Yoichi studies English since 66 year.
He is almost my same age!
See his profile!
 
How old are you again, @Carlo_R.?
 
Yoichi asks really good questions.
 
they are so good that we don't really notice that they are off topic.
 
they're always on topic! they might be too localised...
 
also meta-ed's question about trickledown government.
they are philosophical or historical or cultural. not about language itself.
 
5:48 PM
Not always.
 
I don't want them closed or to go away, though. I'm just saying that they would be closed if asked by newcomers.
I'm not saying all Yoichi's questions are off-topic. just this one.
 
Yay! I'm done through to U.
Almost there!
 
88 (or a little more out of 100 is up to U? I guess there are quite a lot of V,W,X,Y,Z's.
 
@Mitch Maybe. They might not be if they we all asked as well as he asks.
 
Are you doing this by hand?
@KitFox yes.
 
5:50 PM
@Mitch Yeah. It's a subset of the ones that don't need further correction.
I'm not sure. I have a lot of Ws.
These are school names though.
I think I just have Vs and Ws left.
 
So you're done with minding your Ps and Qs?
 
so like 200 left?
 
Um, no, a lot fewer than that. Maybe 50, maybe 30.
 
this question is closed as a dupe, but I don't understand why
 
Then I have to fix the rest, but I can unlock all of these, almost half the user base.
@MattЭллен Maybe it was edited?
 
5:54 PM
@KitFox oh that'll take no time...
@KitFox ...with no chat interruptions.
 
@KitFox the closed one hasn't been (it would say so)
 
@KitFox ...and no pinging.
 
@Mitch Are you trying to ping @kit so that she gets constant interruptions from her fans in the chat room?
 
You guys are hi. lar. i. ous.
 
@KitFox I know
 
5:59 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yes.
 
@Mitch I think @kit will see through your transparent ploy
 
I'm pretty bright like that.
 
I usually don't have the sound on so I don't notice pings hardly at all.
 
@Mitch To the contrary: what I want to know is what the expression means. As with any expression, it may may take some digging into the cultural context to answer it, but it's not a question about culture except in the sense that meanings are cultural.
 

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