English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:08 AM

I got to use a highlighter! For something supposedly useful!

user19161

@aediaλ Very cryptic.

and fortunately, after all my old ones dried up, I got a new one, or else it would have been marked in whatever color of Sharpie I still have that works

@WillHunting Well, I leave it to you to judge whether anything I say I'm doing is actually of any use to anyone

user19161

I thought sharpie was a pencil sharpener.

aedia λ

Goodness, no, it's permanent marker

user19161

@aediaλ I think now I know.

aedia λ

12:11 AM

Are you still living in the dark ages out there? Where are your Sharpies? Your glitter pens? Your glue sticks?

Hi @sim! Bye @sim! I've gotta skedaddle.

May your evenings be sunny and bright and not filled with to-do lists!

Kitḫ

12:58 AM

yawns and shrugs

Cerberus

1:35 AM

Hi!

I'm trying to get AHK to parse a string with unicode characters.

But it refuses to do so. Normally it can deal with unicode, but somehow parsing or regex-replacing a string messes up the unicode.

But I don't expect any of you to be amateurish enough to be using AHK.

Kitḫ

Hi.

You must be doing it wrong.

:P

Cerberus

Ahh!

I don't think so.

Kitḫ

OK. So why isn't it working then?

JSBᾶngs

unicode regex is notoriously finicky

Cerberus

It is very strange.

Kitḫ

1:46 AM

Ahh!

Cerberus

I have this string: æɐɑɒʌ

I want Regex to return the last character, so I have it search for .$.

JSBᾶngs

0

Q: Must had vs must have

If someone says that they had been to Florida on a recent trip, which one of the following would be a correct respone: That must had been fun. That must have been fun. Or is there a better way of saying this?

general reference?

@Cerberus and what does it return?

Cerberus

This: æɐɑɒʌ

Replacement is $0.

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs I think so, unless he can explain why he thinks it should be "had."

Cerberus

If I make the replacement $0q, it gives æɐɑɒʌq.

With replacement z$0q, it gives æɐɑɒzq.

Let's see what happens when I add \ to the original string.

Nope, doesn't help, now it prints the slashes too.

Ahhhh!

JSBᾶngs

1:52 AM

so it's seeing it as one character? that's odd

Cerberus

Apparently.

Kitḫ

Well, you said your search expression is .$. right?

Cerberus

Yes?

I mean, no: not the period.

Just this: .$

Kitḫ

Oh.

That makes more sense.

No, wait. Isn't that any string, then?

JSBᾶngs

.$

Cerberus

1:56 AM

Any character followed by end of string.

JSBᾶngs

oh, man

my wife and i are watching Hoarders. this one is really bad.

Kitḫ

$ matches end of string? I thought that was just an anchor.

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Huh? No I thought that was end of string?

JSBᾶngs

@Kit it anchors the match at end of string, but it doesn't actually match any character itself

Cerberus

It is an anchor in the replacement: $0, $1 and such.

^string$

Kitḫ

1:58 AM

@JSBᾶngs Agh. I always find regex confusing.

And yet I seem to use it frequently.

I assume you know the XKCD?

JSBᾶngs

yes

any one in particular?

this one?

Kitḫ

Yeah. That one.

Cerberus

Haha.

JSBᾶngs

well, i also know regular expressions

Cerberus

Well, I won't be Regexman any time soon.

Kitḫ

2:00 AM

You don't get the alt-text that way though.

JSBᾶngs

Wait, forgot to escape a space. Wheeeeee[taptaptap]eeeeee.

Kitḫ

giggle

JSBᾶngs

i didn't know we had XKCD magic linkage here!

that's exciting

Kitḫ

Well, it is run by computer geeks.

Also, it makes Reg crazy.

I mean really crazy.

Not in a I'll-ping-him kind of way.

JSBᾶngs

poor Reg

Cerberus

2:03 AM

@JSBᾶngs Do you feel like XKCD-Magicman yet?

Kitḫ

What's a good rhyme for "willows grow"?

"Silly ho"?

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus sometimes i do

@Kitḫ billows flow

are we trying to rhyme both words?

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs I would draw you a suit if I had Photoshop installed.

"children know"?

JSBᾶngs

The worst part is when sidewalk cracks are out-of-sync with your natural stride.

i do this all the time

Cerberus

"pilgrims flow"?

Kitḫ

2:05 AM

@JSBᾶngs Maybe not.

"Pillows know"

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ tulips blow

Cerberus

ul/il?

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs Oh, thank god I am not the only one.

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs nods

I also walk on/around/etc. features of my floor when I'm on the phone.

Kitḫ

autohotkey.com/docs/commands/RegExReplace.htm

Cerberus

2:07 AM

Very frustrating.

Kitḫ

Or this autohotkey.com/docs/commands/RegExMatch.htm

JSBᾶngs

hee hee

Kitḫ

Are those helpful?

JSBᾶngs

oh, god

this woman urinates in bottles and then KEEPS THE BOTTLES

THE BOTTLES FULL OF PEE

Kitḫ

Oh that's disgusting.

JSBᾶngs

2:09 AM

oh, man

Kitḫ

I don't want to know what she does with poop.

JSBᾶngs

this is the worst hoarders i've ever watched

seriously, i wouldn't try to clean that house

i would burn it to the ground and buy another one

Cerberus

@Kitḫ Thanks! But actually I've been staring at that first one for a while already. sad faces

Kitḫ

Damn it. I want to be helpful!

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs Haha that is just perfect. But why??

@Kitḫ I do appreciate it!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:10 AM

wow everyone is still here don't you guys all have places to be?

Kitḫ

Everyone here always helps me, and I am not giving back.

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus because she's insane?

Cerberus

Perhaps I should find some perl regex tester online and try it there first.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew i am where i need to be. at home watching hoarders with my wife.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Says the pot to the kettle.

Cerberus

2:11 AM

@JSBᾶngs No doubt! But I wonder what her insane reason is, what she is thinking.

Yes, pot, and hi.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Well I left here then came back

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus she doesn't have plumbing, because her water got turned off several years ago

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

and from my sample size of two points in time, it appears you guys never left.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 So did I. If you were here, you would have known that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Shannon's theorem be damned.

Cerberus

2:12 AM

@JSBᾶngs Ahh that makes sense. But...can't she just throw it down the sink?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ but I wasn't here so I can't know

Kitḫ

Exactly. taps nose

JSBᾶngs

@Cerb she probably could, but see above re: insane

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Anyway I'm really just in-between Dexter episodes while my wife takes a shower.

Kitḫ

Hawt!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:13 AM

Was that directed at me?

Kitḫ

Yes!

Crazy blood-spattered TV, sexy wife in the shower. What could be hotter?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well then.

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs I was just wondering whether her pee was of value to her, whether she hoards it too, or it was something else.

JSBᾶngs

i think Kit is trying to hit on your wife

Cerberus

I am shocked.

Kitḫ

2:14 AM

Me? No. I have no libido these days.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It would be hotter if I were with her, I suppose.

Cerberus

Hmm I thought it had improved a bit?

Kitḫ

I am crossing my fingers that this new oral contraceptive will make me horny as a mountain goat though.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Naturally, but see, in my imagination, you can be.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm, contraceptives. They can be treacherous in that regard.

Kitḫ

You could make it your reality.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:15 AM

too late, she's already done.

JSBᾶngs

@MrShinyandNew安宇 and you were here talking with us

Cerberus

@Kitḫ You weren't taking any? Or other kinds?

JSBᾶngs

you missed your chance, man

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Don't worry, there'll be other chances for me to miss too :p

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes, indeedy. Apparently my old ones don't work well any more since I've had kids and gotten old. So we're trying something new.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:17 AM

My wife took some a few years ago, one of them made her really moody, and let's just say that it didn't have the effect YOU're looking for.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ your older contraceptives don't work? i don't understand that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It wasn't until she was comparing pill-experiences with a coworker who said "I hated taking my last pill, it made me really angry all the time" that we realized what was going on.

Kitḫ

Well, that's the issue at hand now. Crazy moodiness, insomnia, "breakthrough" bleeding, blood sugars all over the place, etc.

Fatigue.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Sounds fairly typical (of the list of common problems)

JSBᾶngs

ah, ok

why isn't your husband doing his part?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:18 AM

whoops, time to go

Kitḫ

They work insofar as they prevent ovulation. Presumably.

@JSBᾶngs You mean...?

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yes, but all manageable if you tweak what you take.

JSBᾶngs

snip snip

Kitḫ

Oh. Not enough funds yet.

JSBᾶngs

what were you thinking of?

also, doesn't insurance cover that?

Kitḫ

I don't think so.

But come to think of it, we have new insurance as of Jan 1, so maybe.

I ought to check.

Anyway, I am hoping it will help the libido part.

Cerberus

2:20 AM

Yeah sounds like a good thing to try.

JSBᾶngs

I really shouldn't abuse that power so heavily.

Kitḫ

My husband just muttered "Work the lock, don't look at the mammoth."

LOL

JSBᾶngs

is he asleep?

Cerberus

Haha what the...

Kitḫ

He's playing Skyrim.

Cerberus

2:23 AM

Ahh.

Kind of you to let him.

Kitḫ

Haha.

JSBᾶngs

Skyrim is even better than sleep!

Kitḫ

The reference is for Magnum PI.

JSBᾶngs

the people cleaning the pee lady's house are all wearing gas masks

i can only imagine what it smells like there

Neal Stephenson thinks it's cute to name his labels 'dengo'

Kitḫ

Oh dear.

Is that what happens?

Cerberus

2:28 AM

Oh no!

JSBᾶngs

try it and find out

Cerberus

I do use Gosub...

hides

Why is that so bad? You lose track of what goes to where?

Kitḫ

2:47 AM

What? Huh? Where?

Good night, friends!

Bite me, enemies!

Cerberus

Night!

bites in a friendly way

JSBᾶngs

g'night everyone

i too retire

Cerberus

Bye!

Robusto

3:17 AM

Well, I guess that just leaves me and man's best friend(s).

@Cerberus: Et tu, cane?

Cerberus

@Robusto Adsum!

The vocative of canis is canis.

Just so you know.

Robusto

Ah. I knew that. I was just, er, testing you.

Cerberus

Oh, yes, just as I thought.

1st declension (puella): voc. puella. 2nd (servus/filius/bellum): serve, fili, bellum. 3rd/4th/5th (the rest): canis, rex, imperator, res, manus, etc.

Robusto

Si puer cum puellula moraretur in cellula, felix coniunctio.

Cerberus

If a boy and a little girl should spend time in a store room, there will be a happy union?

Robusto

3:29 AM

Exactly.

Cerberus

Where do you get these things?

Robusto

> Tempore brumali vir patiens, animo vernali lasciviens.

Cerberus

In wintery weather man is patient, lusting with a vernal mind?

Robusto

> In the winter man is patient, the breath of spring makes him lust.

Cerberus

Hmm that is freely translated.

Robusto

3:33 AM

Yep. No charge.

Amor volat undique,
captus est libidine.
Iuvenes, iuvencule
coniunguntur merito.
(Soprano)
Siqua sine socio,
caret omni gaudio;
tenet noctis infima
sub intimo hidden
cordis in custodia:
(Boys)
fit res amarissima.

In case you haven't guessed, these are lyrics.

...

Cupid flies everywhere
seized by desire.
Young men and women
are rightly coupled.

The girl without a lover
misses out on all pleasures,
she keeps the dark night
in the depth of her heart;
it is a most bitter fate.

Cerberus

"Hidden"?

Robusto

...

Crap. "Hidden" needs to go in the translation.

"Hidden in the depth of her heart."

Cerberus

Good translation.

Though "lover" is a bit—I don't know.

Socius is more like companion.

What is it?

Robusto

Paramour?

Here's another, not Latin. Let's see how well you do ...

Chramer, gip die varwe mir,
die min wengel roete,
damit ich die jungen man
an ir dank der minnenliebe noete.

Seht mich an,
jungen man!
lat mich iu gevallen!

Minnet, tugentliche man,
minnecliche frouwen!
minne tuot iu hoch gemout
unde lat iuch in hohen eren schouwen

Seht mich an
jungen man!
lat mich iu gevallen!

Wol dir, werit, daz du bist
also freudenriche!
ich will dir sin undertan
durch din liebe immer sicherliche.

Seht mich an,
jungen man!
lat mich iu gevallen!

Cerberus

Socius is a very neutral word: nothing about amorous love, so it's like a euphemism here.

Robusto

3:39 AM

Understatement.

Cerberus

Yes.

Hmm is that old German?

Few words I don't know.

Iu, varwe, wengel...

Robusto

I bet you get the sense of it though.

Cerberus

Yes, sort of.

Robusto

@Cerberus You, colors (farbe), cheeks

Cerberus

Oh, I know varwe and wengel.

Jinx!

Got in on the second read.

Right, iu = you, makes sense, I wasn't sure.

Robusto

3:43 AM

Carmina Burana

Carmina Burana (), Latin for "Songs from Beuern" (short for: Benediktbeuern), is the name given to a manuscript of 254 poems and dramatic texts mostly from the 11th or 12th century, although some are from the 13th century. The pieces were written principally in Medieval Latin; a few in Middle High German, and some with traces of Old French or Provençal. Some are macaronic, a mixture of Latin and German or French vernacular. They were written by students and clergy when the Latin idiom was the lingua franca across Italy and western Europe for travelling scholars, universities and theolog...

Cerberus

Ah!

There was a seminar about those here last week.

Robusto

I guess you didn't attend.

Nope.

Shoulda.

Too late.

3:46 AM

Have you ever listened to Orff's setting of the poems?

Cerberus

Nope.

Robusto

Hiatus maxime deflendus.

Cerberus

Sane merito dicis.

Robusto

Pars sanitatis velle sanari fruit.

Cerberus

A part of health enjoys wanting to heal?

I seem to recall your misquoting this before.

Fruit is wrong.

Robusto

3:51 AM

The wish to be cured is itself a step toward health.

Cerberus

Should be est.

Robusto

Homines dum docent discunt.

Cerberus

People learn while they teach.

Robusto

@Cerberus I don't think it's a misquotation. I think you're just wrong.

Cerberus

@Robusto Impossible.

It is from Ovid.

And it should be fuit, not fruit.

Robusto

3:53 AM

O formose puer, nimium ne crede colori!

Cerberus

Fruit is actually not a word in Latin, it cannot exist.

Robusto

Non omnia possumus omnes.

Cerberus

Oh shapely boy, do not trust color too much!

All of us are not all things?

Robusto

@Cerberus Too literal. Free it up a bit.

Cerberus

@Robusto It's hard; I have no idea what colori refers to.

Robusto

3:55 AM

@Cerberus It's from Publius Vergilius Maro.

"Don’t rely too much on your looks, lovely boy!"

Cerberus

Right.

Well, it's poetry.

Robusto

@Cerberus We can’t all do everything!

Cerberus

Oops I misread. I read sumus.

But then it isn't a complete sentence, with possumus.

Robusto

Yes. You are not paying attention. You are a naughty boy.

Cerberus

There is an elliptical infinitive.

Robusto

3:58 AM

Plura faciunt homines e consuetudine quam e ratione.

Cerberus

People do more things out of habit than reason.

Robusto

So, you gonna throw down with Seneca?

Cerberus

@Robusto Sorry, but that is just wrong.

Robusto

Quandoque bonus dormitat Homerus.

Cerberus

perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/…

Line 249. This is a reliable source.

@Robusto Even good (old) Homer sometimes sleeps.

Robusto

4:04 AM

Ha. Then it's misquoted all over hell and beyond.

@Cerberus Meaning, "Even a wise man fucks up sometimes."

Me duce tutus eris.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yes, that often happens with quotations.

@Robusto In Dutch we say, "even the best horse stumbles sometimes". Or a translation of your quotation.

@Robusto You will be safe with me as your guide/leader.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yes. As evinced by my having fixed you up for singles night with Slate.

Cerberus

Hahaha yes.

There is a secret page for singles behind every Slate article.

Robusto

Behind the velvet rope. Ah, yes.

Cerberus

It's hardly velvet...

More like dirty plastic.

Robusto

4:09 AM

Arcanum arcanorum.

Sancta sanctorum.

Sub rosa.

Is it?

Sutor, ne ultra crepidam.

I fear I must now retire to my bedchamber. Otium cum dignitate.

Cerberus

Cobbler, don't go beyond your last.

Sint tibi somnia dulcia!

Robusto

4:14 AM

Thanks.

Cya later.

Cerberus

Usque ad proximam!

Robusto

@Cerberus: Come spend a bar in WMT. We've been attacked by an upstart with crummy decks. I'm spending my stam and going to bed.

Cerberus

All right.

Robusto

K, CU.

Cerberus

Bye!

@Robusto You call this crummy??

I will never even scratch those guys.

Well, this was a big waste of time.

MetaEd

6:06 AM

O. I C U R M T.

Cerberus

Hai.

MetaEd

ˈhaʊ.diː

Cerberus

/hɛ'leʊ/

Are our ɛ's and ʊ's small for you too?

MetaEd

Yes, at least at the moment they are.

Cerberus

Hmm.

So it is this chat.

And how do you type IPA characters?

MetaEd

6:21 AM

I imagine it's font substitution in the browser.

Cerberus

Ah, right.

MetaEd

Copy/paste.

Cerberus

Any way to change that?

MetaEd

I think not. The chatroom uses Verdana, I believe ... and Verdana is simply lacking a lot of good characters.

Cerberus

Hmmm.

Annoying.

MetaEd

6:22 AM

But we have a lot of good characters in the chat room as compensation.

Cerberus

My aɪ.piː.eɪ program is complete!

@MetaEd Thanks.

You too.

Quite a character.

Okay, bed time.

Bai!

Mahnax

6:43 AM

Bye!

user19161

8:52 AM

@Cerberus One can force FF to use certain fonts though.

user19161

0

Q: What is this symbol called:¶?

I'm trying to find out what this symbol means and if it has a name:¶ I've seen it being used in Word processors.

symbols

user19161

GR

user19161

-1

Q: Compability or Compatibility?

Should I use the word "compability" or "compatibility" to say that two things fit together? And is "compability" even a word?

word-choice word-usage

user19161

GR

user19161

0

Q: to pronounce alphabetical and pharmaceutical in American English

I just want to know how to pronounce alphabetical and pharmaceutical in American English. Is it phar•ma•ceu•di•cal or phar•ma•ceu•i•cal? And is it al•pha•bet•di•cal or al•pha•bet•i•cal? do you pronounce ti as di or do you pronounce just the i and the t is silent. Thanks

pronunciation common-pronunciation

user19161

8:56 AM

GR

user19161

10:45 AM

-1

Q: Related to Behaviour Science

I need to know what do you call the person who written always on written things. I have Read in my behaviour Science.Its is something called(kythopatic) but not confirm. Please tell if some know this or heard about this.

vocabulary

user19161

NARQ

Gigili

11:22 AM

Hello @all! Is it correct to say: "but unfortunately the site doesn't have the source which is being read!"?

Sounds a bit odd to me ...

user19161

12:12 PM

@Gigili What do you want to mean with this sentence? It is fine structurally.

user19161

@Gigili Oh I answered even though I am not all.

user19161

@Gigili Because it is not even?

Gigili

12:30 PM

@WillHunting Uh oh, it's even. Right. I should have studied math when I was younger!

You're all from now on because you answered my question alone.

I wanted to say the transcript is not included (I just found out I can say this instead of that) , an audio along with text which is being read, something like that.

Are you Jasper @WillHunting, BTW?

user19161

@Gigili Yes, I gave you the magic camera together with Mahnax.

user19161

@Gigili OK, I hope your problem is solved!

Robusto

@Cerberus I must have got lucky.

Doesn't matter. We got crushed anyway.

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