English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Robusto

5:00 PM

The anus is also called the "corn hole" and the "shit hole" ...

Kitḫ

OMG. Wikitionary? I apologize for my knee-jerk reaction.

user19161

What about asshole?

Robusto

@WillHunting — That is reserved to describe whole persons. ^_^

Kitḫ

4 mins ago, by Kitḫ

It shows no research effort and is rep-trolling.

I stand by my vote.

user19161

I lie by my laptop.

Cerberus

5:01 PM

Understandable.

user19161

OMG @mrs I did not know that you had already answered!

Robusto

@WillHunting — What difference does that make? To you, I mean.

user19161

@Robusto No difference. Just an observation.

Kitḫ

Plus, I think "shithole" is one thing. "Shit hole" is another.

Robusto

@Kitḫ — Variant spellings. The point is, however it is spelled, you can't be sure which item is meant.

Cerberus

5:05 PM

"Item"

Matt Эллен

toodles, y'all

Cerberus

That's funny.

Bye Matt!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kit, I checked Coca, and it seems that nobody in that corpus ever used it to mean "anus", so probably you're right. corpus.byu.edu/coca/?c=coca&q=13929760

and Google ngrams seems to back that up.

Cerberus

I got a different answer from Pepsi.

Ewww I know why my bread failed.

Too much salt!

I decided it was a good idea to pre-mix salt and sugar in the right proportion to save time.

It was not.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Maybe it would have been, if you'd actually used the "right proportion"? :)

anyway, lunch time. bbl

Cerberus

5:14 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Fine, proportions, then. Happy now?

Happy gorging!

Robusto

@MrShinyandNew安宇 — It's not a word that appears in literature much, I would think.

@Cerberus Wouldn't it be great if they had written lists of ingredients you could use to cook and bake? Oh, wait — they do!

Lunch. Laterz.

Cerberus

@Robusto Wouldn't it be great if all the ingredients were in one big jar?

Pre-mixed?

Kitḫ

Or in a bag? Pre-mixed and pre-baked?

Pre-sliced even!

So it seems that Barrie has come to the rescue.

15

Q: "A whole nother" way of looking at things

People say this so much (instead of "another whole" way, etc.) that I wonder how it got started. How did "another whole..." get changed to "a whole nother..."?

6

Q: What is this an example of: "a napron" becomes "an apron"?

I recently learned that the word apron was once apparently napron, but the current form has resulted from accidental morphing of a napron to an apron. What is this kind of mistake called? (I'd also like to know of others, if there are any.)

single-word-requests language-evolution

@Daniel What gives?

> also while you are in there is it possible for you to get John Smith onto my students somehow when I added him in he ended up in Park School roster which is the school that he is at but I can not get him under my students.....

^Written by a literacy teacher.

makes note to homeschool children

Cerberus

5:41 PM

@Kitḫ Hahaha, good point. But I want it delivered to my house in the morning while still warm. And it must cost less than € 0,50.

Doorbell, bye!

Kitḫ

5:51 PM

drums fingers

aedia λ

@Kitḫ You just need to realign your portfolio, solidify your presence, and deepen your customer relationships in that space. Then you can begin to address the problem using responsive and innovative solutions, root your approach in a strong strategy and reinforce principles of your strategic plan that will enable you to best move forward.

shakes head violently from reading memos

Kitḫ

I'd add a comma there.

Also, a definite article.

aedia λ

I wanted to more realistically reproduce the tumultuous feeling of barreling down one of those waterfall memos.

Kitḫ

It was well done. I am sorry. I should have led with praise.

aedia λ

Also, some of those phrases were actually used by a presumably living person.

I could not have come up with "enable you to best move forward" on my own.

I really think they have some brilliant Markov generator that gets them started with these things though.

Kitḫ

5:55 PM

You must have a natural talent.

My project lead is incredibly transparent in his "praise sandwiches," by the way.

aedia λ

giggles Is that where you stick the praise between the bad things or the other way 'round?

Kitḫ

Other way 'round. Management 101. Don't you know that one?

How to gently correct the behavior of underlings

aedia λ

"Kit, I really like how you've colored the spreadsheet, but I need you to hurry up with fixing everything. But, uhh, I like that you email our customers back."

Kitḫ

You nailed it.

1. Lead with praise. "I can see you have been working very hard on this project."

2. Offer constructive criticism. "I feel you could more efficiently code if you followed my regal advice."

3. Close with praise. "I am glad to see that you are so receptive to my commands. You may keep your job."

4. profit.

aedia λ

Hahahahaha.

Kitḫ

6:00 PM

It is ridiculous, since most people haven't the faintest idea of how to do it properly.

Of course, the terminology doesn't help.

aedia λ

My direct manager doesn't do anything fakey, but she does use mom-guilt on us. You can tell when she really does hope we will agree to do something borderline impossible.

Kitḫ

In general, in order to come across as supportive and not confrontational, you just need to open with positives and respect, offer something helpful with an actual plan, and then say something supportive.

"I know you are unhappy about the current deadline. I can't change it, but if you can spend some overtime on it, I can get you time and a half. Your coding skills are excellent, and I know you will find a solution."

Well, I think anyway. I'd probably be a crap manager.

aedia λ

@Kitḫ Well, of course. That comes across much more genuine and willing to talk.

Heh I'm not so great at people-things so I definitely would be.

A terrible manager, that is.

Kitḫ

@aediaλ Exactly. Problem is you have to be genuine to sound genuine.

Effing users.

aedia λ

I like people to solve their own problems, and I don't like 'em bothering me all the time. I would have to have office hours or something if I ever accidentally became in charge of anything.

Kitḫ

6:07 PM

I rather like being bossy.

aedia λ

The worst is when someone sends me an email and comes over to see if I got it, but I think everyone's finally been trained not to do that.

@Kitḫ Hehe.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus no, I meant the right proportion as opposed to the "right" proportion. i.e. if it were right it wouldn't be too salty.

Kitḫ

Dec 21 '11 at 14:37, by Kitḫ

Look, @MrShiny, I appreciate your candor, but I have taken the Myers-Briggs test, and "Judgmental" is my only defining characteristic.

aedia λ

grins

Kitḫ

@aediaλ Did you get the email I sent? How about now? While I'm at it, why don't I discuss the whole thing with you anyway? Did you get the email?

I'll wait while you read it.

aedia λ

6:10 PM

OH GOD NO

Kitḫ

Then I will explain it to you some more.

Then after I am done diverting you for a half hour, I'll ask you to send me an email with the contents of our discussion.

And then I'll email you with that same request.

And the cycle begins again.

aedia λ

After I already replied to your initial email with a copypasta from Microsoft Word Help that should have solved your problem.

Exactly.

Kitḫ

hugs aedia

Want to come live up here?

aedia λ

@Kitḫ Awwh thanks.

@Kitḫ But it's cold up there!

Kitḫ

@aediaλ No shit, right?

aedia λ

6:16 PM

Do you have any good PhD programs in computer science?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Speaking of cold, it's above zero here in Toronto. Very unusual for January.

(that's above 32 °F for you 'merkins)

Kitḫ

It was in the paper about how hard the +5 increase is hitting our tourist economy.

That's Fahrenheit degrees, for the canucks.

;-)

@aediaλ Yes! Sure! (OK, I don't know if it is acutally good.)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah, we've had reports that the various ski and winter tourism places in Ontario are suffering

Some of them are "year round" operations, but honestly, if it's 1°C outside, do you want to go out if you can't ski or skate? I don't.

Kitḫ

It's a damn good thing that global warming is liberal propaganda, or I might be worried.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah, thankfully, God would never let the earth warm so much that it'd be a problem. Nor would he ever cause, or allow to be caused, a catastrophe which would kill many humans or other animals.

user19161

6:20 PM

At least there is indoor ice-skating here.

aedia λ

@Kitḫ Husband is considering PhD after finishing Master's and I'll go where he goes (could maybe telework, or take some time out from the rat race before I get too old...)

Kitḫ

@aediaλ Well, then. You'd have one potential friend up here.

And I might could get you work.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 The world might end in 2012.

Kitḫ

Could end tomorrow too.

I suppose that would be 2012.

user19161

Possibly so. Not a bad thing for me.

aedia λ

6:22 PM

It could have already ended. We could be elaborate simulacra.

Kitḫ

Come, fill the cup
What boots it to repeat

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting I'd have to say it won't. Let's just say that there are no credible proposals for world-ending disasters in 2012.

Kitḫ

How time is slipping

Underneath our feet?

user19161

I have not done ice-skating. Is it fun?

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh was there a competition? Government funding? I am sure I could think of a way to end the world this year!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:23 PM

@WillHunting yes, as long as you're not like that guy in "unbreakable" who is breakable.

@Kitḫ credibly?

Also, I suspect the budgets are limited and mired in red tape.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 If money was involved, I am sure I could find a way.

Especially if it made me famous.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ well, it might make you famous, until the world ended.

Kitḫ

Maybe I could get on the Tv!

aedia λ

@Kitḫ I'll encourage looking into the PhD opportunities up there :)

Kitḫ

Just keep in mind that the cost of living is much cheaper than DC.

You have to read that as "TEE vee" by the way. In order to get the correct effect.

user19161

6:26 PM

@aediaλ PhD=Permanent Head Damage.

aedia λ

@Kitḫ Is it comparable to rural NY, you think?

Kitḫ

@aediaλ Actually very similar.

Upstate NY is a lot like here.

Less snow, I think (no lake effect), but colder.

I didn't pay rent in Ithaca, so I'm not 100% sure, but it seems like the cost of things was about the same.

Also, our interstate doesn't go "bump bump...bump bump...bump bump."

aedia λ

I've been to the bottom-ish part of Maine, where the LL Bean store is.

No farther north really.

Kitḫ

@aediaλ Freeport. Yes. Portland is lovely. Great town.

aedia λ

Hehe that's not all the interstates!

Kitḫ

6:29 PM

I only really recollect 90, although I've been on 84 often enough.

I had a friend from Binghamton.

I also used to go that way when I drove home from Carolina.

aedia λ

I was in Ithaca for one summer.

Kitḫ

1997?

aedia λ

No, no, in college. Uhh. '04 maybe?

Kitḫ

Oh. Right. applies Bengay to arthritic joints

aedia λ

In 1997 I would have gone to Binghamton for the Odyssey of the Mind state tournament, though :)

giggles

You're not that old!

Kitḫ

6:31 PM

I was in Ithaca one winter in college. That was 1997.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ I'm reminded of a joke my coworker at lunch told me, only old farts like me will get it: What do you call a cougar (as in the "older woman seeking younger man") who's a little TOO old? A mellencamp.

Kitḫ

Ouch.

user19161

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Q: What is this an example of: "a napron" becomes "an apron"?

I recently learned that the word apron was once apparently napron, but the current form has resulted from accidental morphing of a napron to an apron. What is this kind of mistake called? (I'd also like to know of others, if there are any.)

single-word-requests language-evolution

Kitḫ

I mean, I don't get it.

user19161

Daniel is suffering from amnesia.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:33 PM

My coworker, who has music by that artist, didn't get it until I explained it.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Really? I mean, seriously. Duh.

I mean, I don't get it.

Damn it.

What artist?

Huh?

aedia λ

almost gets tea up nose laughing

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I know about cougar but not mellencamp.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting Ok, I'll expain it, for your (and Kit's) sake: There's a singer, John Mellencamp. When he was younger, he was known as John Cougar.

Kitḫ

►

user19161

6:36 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Cheese and rice!

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 John Cougar Mellencamp, then John Mellencamp.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

my friend thought it was because people THAT old would listen to John Mellencamp.

@Kitḫ yeah, I was simplifying

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Perhaps you mean artiste instead of artist.

Kitḫ

I really like John Mellencamp. I do. I am old.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting I typically don't use the word "artiste".

aedia λ

6:38 PM

@Kitḫ I know all the words but I didn't know the title wasn't "Ain't that America."

user19161

But an artist makes films while an artiste acts in one.

user19161

Similarly a composer would be an artist but a singer would be an artiste.

Kitḫ

@aediaλ Little pink houses for you and me!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Hey, that video has a pic of Niagara Falls! but it's the non-picturesque American side of the falls, with the awesome Canadian part in the background. :)

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 sighs It's true. We got the crappier side of the falls.

aedia λ

6:39 PM

sings woaaah baby for you and me!

Kitḫ

But we have a nice monument to Tesla on our side.

user19161

In a video about Justin Bieber, one of the recording studio workers called his mum a milf.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ and Niagara Falls city is a pretty crummy town too, from what I recall.

Kitḫ

And Space Dots, the Ice Cream of the Future!

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, now, Hamilton, come on. Look who's talking.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ yeah but you got all of one of the great lakes. so, that balances out

@Kitḫ yeah but Hamilton isn't right on the Falls :)

Kitḫ

6:40 PM

Fair enough.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Also, I never go to Hamilton, so I won't try to defend it

Kitḫ

But Hamilton. Really.

;-P

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I can't make excuses for it.

user19161

I thought mellencamp stood for mellon camp, the group with melons.

Kitḫ

It's not the grossest place I have been, but it is close.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:42 PM

@Kitḫ Hamilton? that bad?

aedia λ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I found a tequila with hot peppers in it once in Niagara Falls (not that it really redeemed it; I think we were lost and found a very sketchy looking liquor store). I've only been able to find it somewhere else once. I always mean to infuse my own, but my tequila seems to be gone before I get around to having it and peppers at the same time.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I am being unfair. I only really remember driving through it in the wee hours of the morning, with the green glow of the fires burning off the waste from the steel mills.

@aediaλ The brother of a friend of mine was knifed in Niagara, but not the Falls.

aedia λ

!!

Oh dear.

He was ok?

Kitḫ

No.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ yikes

aedia λ

6:45 PM

Oh no!

I'm sorry.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I think we can all agree that knifings are not cool.

Kitḫ

Well, I didn't know him, so I can be cold-blooded about it.

A friend of mine, on the other hand, was knifed longwise in the arm, about two blocks from my apartment building a few years ago.

That was much more disturbing, but he is OK now.

Has a brutal scar.

user19161

My high school classmate jumped off a couple of years ago.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Clearly the 2nd amendment is to blame for all of this violence

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 lol Clearly.

If he hadn't been baring his arms, the knife wouldn't have cut as deeply.

Actually, he was damn lucky he was wearing his leather cuff.

The knife went all the way through his arm for about one inch.

user19161

6:50 PM

Depending on the nature of the injury, one might be better off dead.

Kitḫ

He cut him from near the elbow to the wrist, right between the radius and ulna. The cuff stopped the knife from severing his arteries.

And the guy took off instead of continuing to attack him.

It all worked out really well, in retrospect.

user19161

@Kitḫ Was it a robbery?

Kitḫ

He confronted this guy who was shouting at and chasing a woman down the street.

The woman was the attacker's girlfriend.

aedia λ

@Kitḫ Except the being attacked part. But I'm glad your friend is ok now.

Oh dear. I hope she is okay. You probably never found out anything more, huh?

Kitḫ

The guy turned around to tell my friend to fuck off, and got him with the knife, but it gave the woman time to get away.

She made it into her apartment safely and called the cops.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:53 PM

damn

Kitḫ

She testified against her boyfriend.

user19161

@Kitḫ This sounds like something I would only see on TV.

aedia λ

@Kitḫ Yay!

It can be difficult for people in situations like that to do so. Good for her.

Kitḫ

Well, the other interesting thing is that he was literally about ten feet from a payphone.

He dialed 911, and told them where he was before he sat down and passed out.

user19161

@aediaλ But you never know what she could have done to him to provoke him like that, just to add.

aedia λ

6:55 PM

Phew!

user19161

@Kitḫ It's 999 here.

Kitḫ

Interesting.

aedia λ

@WillHunting I'm just assuming based on the fact that the boyfriend was willing to knife someone in the street that it wasn't a healthy dynamic.

Robusto

That sense of artiste is going away. Singers and the like are usually referred to as "artists" these days. Artiste is reserved for " A person with artistic pretensions."

user19161

@aediaλ Yeah, no matter what he should not knife a passerby.

Kitḫ

6:57 PM

Or anyone else.

user19161

@Robusto Thank you for your input.

Robusto

You'll get my invoice in the mail.

user19161

@Kitḫ I can understand if he knifed someone who did very bad things to him.

Kitḫ

@WillHunting Mm-hmm. OK. I'll agree with that.

I should make more of an effort to remember this about him. I mostly just think of this friend as a deadbeat coach-surfer.

user19161

And my cousin jumped off five years ago.

Kitḫ

7:00 PM

I don't understand "jumped off." Committed suicide?

user19161

@Kitḫ Jumped off a building and died.

Kitḫ

That sucks.

Not a good method for suicide.

aedia λ

@WillHunting I'm sorry.

user19161

My high school has an extremely high number of people who died from suicides, accidents or diseases.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

A friend's classmate from kungfu class once, with his girlfriend, came upon 3 guys near his car in a dark parking lot. One guy leaned down a little and started charging him, so he punched that guy in the head (kung fu training took over). The guy was immediately knocked into a 3-day coma. This scared the other two guys off.

@WillHunting stressful workloads?

user19161

7:03 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Possibly so.

user19161

Hello @affable! You look very affable!

Kitḫ

What's your codez, @Affable?

user19161

The Da Vinci Code.

Kitḫ

My goodness, there's a Biblical Hermeneutics.SE?

user19161

@Kitḫ You just realized?

user19161

7:07 PM

It's been quite long.

Kitḫ

Not my flavor.

I used to live with a scholar of religion. I rather shun it now.

user19161

A scholar understands truth. A mystic knows truth.

Kitḫ

Well, he was neither.

user19161

Without practice, much study is useless.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ every time I come across Christianity.se I urge myself to look away but it's like a train-wreck, I'm filled with morbid curiosity.

Kitḫ

7:09 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I can't do it. I refuse to set foot there. I would just be a big old troll.

user19161

@Kitḫ Not that old.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Well, I haven't really done anything on that site, except comment on questions/answers that were logically unsound.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Aren't they all technically logically unsound?

user19161

What truly is logic? Who decides reason?

user19161

It is only in the mysterious equations of love that one can find any reason.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:11 PM

@Kitḫ um, some are logically sound but factually unsound. But I over-stated my involvement. Turns out I've posted only one comment which was for an answer that factually unsound.

@WillHunting now now, there's a perfectly good explanation for what logic is that doesn't require any mysticism or beliefs.

user19161

Affable Geek must be taken aback by our mysterious conversations.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I don't think that's true. Christianity is based on tenets of faith, and faith cannot be argued on the basis of logic.

But maybe that's just because I can't think of an on-topic question for that site that wouldn't be faith-based.

user19161

Faith is based on evidence.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ well, the answers to questions can be based on logic, depending on the questions. But it's moot because it turns out I didn't address any logical flaws on that site.

Matt Эллен

@Kitḫ how many apostles were there?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:15 PM

This is the question on which I commented:

6

Q: What is the basis for the Catholic teaching that artificial birth control is immoral/sinful?

I understand that the original commandment to be fruitful and multiply involves reproduction. However, planning to wait a little bit here and there seems reasonable enough. So, what is the reasoning or the basis from which the Catholic Church teaches that any artificial birth control is immoral...

catholicism sin doctrine

Kitḫ

@WillHunting Um, no, it's not.

user19161

@Kitḫ Evidence, not solid proof.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting Faith is the denial of evidence

user19161

Truth is based on proof. Faith is based on evidence. -- Will, EL&U chat, 2012.

Kitḫ

@MattЭллен Hmm. There weren't any actual apostles?

Matt Эллен

7:18 PM

@Kitḫ practical and answerable!

user19161

@MattЭллен answerable

Matt Эллен

perfect for SE

now I'm overcorrecting for misspelling changeable

user19161

@MattЭллен Like how adrenalin overcompensates.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Best Easter sermon I ever heard, the pastor was underlining this point.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting Your statement is false. -1.

user19161

7:19 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Thank you. Happy New Year!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ Sadly, irony isn't really flammable.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Though it might be inflammable.

Kitḫ

"It's not a miracle if you can think of a scientific explanation for it! It is a miracle precisely because it is impossible!"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ you know what's funny? my catholic high school's gr. 10 religion class textbook actually said the opposite: "who cares if there's a scientific explanation? it's a miracle because it came when it was needed!"

Kitḫ

That's funny.

user19161

7:22 PM

To me, a miracle is something that happens but is very unlikely to happen. Is anything ever totally impossible? After all we do not totally understand the laws of the universe.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting IN-flammable means flammable? what a country!

Kitḫ

The sun went down at the right time so I could sleep! It's a miracle!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting Some things are totally impossible.

Matt Эллен

not if you truly believe!

bye!

Kitḫ

claps hands

Bye @Matt!

user19161

7:25 PM

I guess he went for band practice.

user19161

It's too early to be his bedtime.

user19161

I just rejected 8 edits which attempted to reverse bowdlerization.

user19161

I commented that this was part of SE policy.

Kitḫ

Only in the titles, though.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting bowdlerization is SE policy?

user19161

7:31 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 In the titles. Not policy per se but many a time I noticed Jeff did it in the title.

Kitḫ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 It is in the titles.

8

Q: What should we do about question titles containing vulgar words?

After "What is the difference between 'tits' and 'boobs'?" being censored, it's the turn of "What does 'suck it up ho' means?" to be sanitized. I think we need to come to a consensus. So, what should we do?

discussion editing

Although there is wiggle room.

user19161

Depends on how vulgar the word is.

user19161

For example, work is not sufficiently vulgar.

Kitḫ

W-rk is only vulgar in chat.

user19161

But fuck is not vulgar in chat.

Kitḫ

7:37 PM

Fuck is vulgar everywhere.

user19161

So there is an interesting reversal.

Kitḫ

What's reversed?

user19161

@Kitḫ See above.

Kitḫ

I don't see. That's why I'm asking.

user19161

Maybe reversal is not the right word.

user19161

7:39 PM

Well, you know what I mean.

Kitḫ

No, I don't. That's why I am asking.

user19161

I mean X is vulgar on A but not B. Y is vulgar on B but not A.

user19161

QED.

Kitḫ

No.

X is vulgar on A but not B. Y is vulgar on A and B.

And QED implies that you have drawn a conclusion, which you have not.

user19161

I know, but you know too.

user19161

7:41 PM

No more games here!

Kitḫ

shrugs

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hey Kit, did you see that Barrie English used the OED to prove me wrong about shithole? the earliest citation, from the 1600s, is for an anus, not a latrine.

Kitḫ

Yes, I saw. I commented at the time.

user19161

Luckily that guy stopped submitting the edits. Otherwise we would be viciously cancelling each other out.

Kitḫ

Noöne was paying attention to me at the time though.

aedia λ

7:46 PM

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Q: What does "Let me know if the problem persists" exactly mean?

Which one is the correct meaning of "Let me know if the problem persists."? Or is it ambiguous? If the problem persists, let me know. Let me know whether the problem persists or not.

ambiguity

Doo doo dooop?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

is this even a real question? "What does "some perfectly clear statement" exactly mean?" Um, it means "that perfectly clear statement"

aedia λ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Aww COHA doesn't even have it before 1960.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 There was a sort of question about if/whether in there.

It's just non-obvious from the title and already asked a zillion times.

Kitḫ

I have to stop looking at the main site.

It's just annoying.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@aediaλ What does "if XXX then YYY" mean? does it mean "if XXX then YYY"? or does it mean "whether blah blah blah or not"? Why would anyone change the statement to a different one? it means what it says. Not some other statement which is similar.

Kitḫ

Oh shit. W-rk! What was I supposed to be doing today?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

7:52 PM

I'm with Aedia on this one. I read the question as one about if as in "in case" vs. if as in "whether or not".

Kitḫ

It's already closed, right?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Kitḫ yes but my NARQ tipped it over the DUPE hump

Kitḫ

english.stackexchange.com/questions/54280/…

aedia λ

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Because they no longer have a problem, but do you want to know about it?

Kitḫ

So am I mistaken about censoring titles?

aedia λ

7:55 PM

I thought we were supposed to bowdlerize the f*cking sh*t out of them.

Kitḫ

20 mins ago, by Kitḫ

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Q: What should we do about question titles containing vulgar words?

After "What is the difference between 'tits' and 'boobs'?" being censored, it's the turn of "What does 'suck it up ho' means?" to be sanitized. I think we need to come to a consensus. So, what should we do?

discussion editing

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yes, but which sh*t are we f*cking talking about?

Kitḫ

I don't want to get into a long discussion in the comments.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I didn't notice anything on the front page. Linky pls.

Kitḫ

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Q: Etymology of an offensive term

What is the etymology of shithole? Did it originate from A) the orifice through which excrement is passed, or B) the hole in the ground intended for the disposal of such excrement? (This is a serious question for professional research. You don't want to know the details.) EDIT Wiktionary offer...

etymology offensive-language

I changed it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

7:56 PM

Oic.

Haha.

Well, yeah, luls.

Kitḫ

It had been Etymology of 'sh*thole'

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@aediaλ I dunno. If I said "Let me know if the problem persists" I'd expect not to be told if the problem was fixed, the assumption being that I fixed it and that it's not persisting now, so I expect not to see that problem later.

Kitḫ

MetaEd changed it to Etymology of 'shithole'

So I changed it to genero-title.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Now it sounds like a dupe of a hundred other questions.

Kitḫ

I didn't like the question anyway and voted to close it.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Tru dat.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

7:58 PM

Now let's change it to "Etymology of a word", throw away the key and go home.

Kitḫ