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12:12 AM
 
12:37 AM
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ meh, not enough Nero and none of Mordred (would like to see a "Father and Son" Reconciliation image)
 
@Memor-X Wouldn't that be "Mother and Weird-Gender-Undetermined-Individual-That-In-A-Later-Interview-With-Nasu-Is-Reve‌​aled-To-Be-Female-So-Daughter"?
 
@Yuuki yeh but they still refer to one another as father as son
Blaming the situation on the King for not giving her the crown, she asked if the King hated the "son of Morgan" that much.

Freed of the mask forced upon her, with a face identical to her "father", she said "....Father",
 
@Memor-X Arturia and Morgan? I'm okay with this.
 
@Yuuki yeh, in the actual Legend Mordred is born from Morgan le Fay, in the Nasuverse, thanks in aprt to Merlin giving Artuia a penis making her a futa (dam Incubus) Morgan...
enchanted Artoria with a spell to obtain sperm from her. She developed it within her own ovary to give birth to Mordred.
 
Yeah, I remember that. That was hilarious times.
 
12:49 AM
but we know full well Morgan got Arturia drunk
 
Also, I was referencing Fire Emblem: Awakening on the off chance you didn't catch that.
 
@Yuuki yeh i was going to ask where that game from, that is a girl right?
 
@Memor-X Yeah, that's your character's child unit if you are male.
 
@Yuuki i'd assume there's no way to be a girl and get a wife is there
 
@Memor-X Nop.
You can be a girl and get a husband though.
 
12:51 AM
@Yuuki i don't care, i want doki doki shoujo ai/yuri! bastards
 
@Memor-X Some of the A-rank supports get pretty damn close.
 
well, in the end what happened between Arturia and Mordred did affect her, Merlin did became a Natural enemy of hers
@Yuuki i plan to get it some day, seems good
 
> There's one "awkward" moment in their C rank Support when Severa "contemplates" Kjelle's perfect abs...
 
@Yuuki i take it Kjelle is a girl, most likely muscular but not Arakawa Under the Bridge Stella muscular
@Yuuki is that Morgan's daughter (3rd generation)
 
@Memor-X She's a girl whose initial class is Knight (heavily armored spearman).
@Memor-X No, just an image of chibi Morgan.
It can be Morgan's daughter if you want it to be though.
 
1:04 AM
@Yuuki ok, when it said "The Third Times" i though there was going to be multiple generations like there is in Agarest
with happier marriages other than "you and these women will die and you task will be left incomplete, make a baby to finish the job"
that least that's how it was in Agarest 1 and 2, Zero was a little better
 
 
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2:36 AM
^ My pizza - an Australian (Bacon, Ham, Egg and Mozzarella with Tomato Base) with extra (Chicken, Prawns, Crab)
cost - $26
 
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Q: What is relationship between Natsu and E.N.D?

MiramielFrom what I've known, E.N.D is the most powerful demon created by Zerif. Zeref tells Natsu to choose between life and death. He’s practically telling him that he’ll have to decide if he wants to live or if he’s going to kill himself for the others’ sake. Because we all know that when Natsu realiz...

 
@Memor-X Gonna eat that all by yourself? ;o
 
@Frosteeze yes!
on the last 2 pieces now
 
3:35 AM
man i'l full like hell, don't think i'll be having tea tonight
 
No meguka, that's my Philly cheese steak
 
4:17 AM
 
what is it out already?
y
hmmm not on nyaa
ok I am an idiot also
eleven
I was looking for twelve
tch
ah well what do I have to lose
let's see it
 
4:58 AM
The last episode of Shirobako I watched has me worried that best girl might leave.
 
well then it ended
 
@ton.yeung the elderly
 
I also haven't watched 4moon yet.
 
psycho pass started out as 8 and ended at 6/10
this is unfortunate
 
So it started off as "good" and became "meh"? Or it started as "meh" and became "bad"?
 
5:10 AM
@ton.yeung waiting fo nagi
 
I don't know what 8/10 and 6/10 mean
For me average is 5/10.
 
@LoganM 4/5, 3/5
@LoganM 1/2
@ton.yeung piano
live stream pls
 
@ʞɹɐzǝɹ None of these is a valid quality score. They are rational numbers.
 
@LoganM I agree
 
If you want to describe the quality of something, adjectives are the way to go.
 
5:14 AM
I can't believe ppl are so arbitrary
 
7/10 − minimum recommendable rating, aka good
higher is better, lower is worse
the rest are just gradations
titles rated lower than 4 can be considered waste of time
 
That seems pretty arbitrary.
 
there is some precision to it
 
How do you determine whether a good series is 8/10 good or 7/10 good? Do you have some sort of rubric?
 
5:18 AM
@Taisho I'd like to do that instead of work today −,−
if I have doubts about things, it doesn't get 10/10
the more doubts I have, the lesser the rating
 
Doubts about what?
 
about the plot decisions, character designs, humor, animation quality, you name it
anything that could bother you while watching
a lot of that lowers the rating
 
This still seems arbitrary to me. How do you weigh the relative importance of these factors?
 
if it feels like the rest of the show is fine, except for maybe one poorly developed plot point, which is to say that the one significant flaw does not have a lot of impact on the overall impression from the series, it doesn't lower the score significantly, maybe just by a quarter point
 
any news on kantai collection ?
 
5:23 AM
inorite
@SeptianPrimadewa wut do u wanna no?
 
@SeptianPrimadewa It is gonna be good
That is the news
 
with some titles I know right away that I can't be completely honest with myself because how great they seem to me, and so I rate them 10/10 to show that this is the kind of stuff I like most, but for others it's not a reliable rating
 
yup go gud
 
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Q: Trying to find an anime about a dead older brother for my friend

user10741Im trying to find this anime where this boy had an older brother but he got killed. The older brother played a game and the boy has to play that same game to find out who killed his brother

 
"for my friend" is very important
 
5:27 AM
I've said this before, but I don't trust anyone to rate anything any more accurately than "good" vs "bad". People are pretty terrible at going beyond that for psychological reasons alone, and very few people put in the work to design an objective rating system which avoids these psychological flaws.
 
personally, I know when my rating is not objective, can't vouch for others
anyway, what objective rating systems have you encountered?
if any
 
you may know but other's can't feel it
 
I specifically mark it
 
The proper technique for objectively rating things is known to all academics. It is called a rubric. There is no alternative.
That's cheating. It isn't sight-reading if you read the notes beforehand.
 
@ton.yeung rating Present participle of
 
5:31 AM
!!define rubric
 
@Hakase rubric A heading in a book highlighted in red.
 
Noun: rubric (plural rubrics)
  1. A heading in a book highlighted in red.
  2. That would fall under the rubric of things we can ignore for now.
  3. An established rule or custom, a guideline.
  4. De Quincey
  5. (Can we find and add a quotation of Cowper to this entry?)
  6. (education) A printed set of scoring criteria for evaluating student work and for giving feedback.
Adjective: rubric (comparative more rubric, superlative most rubric)
  1. Coloured or marked with red; placed in rubrics.
  2. Of or relating to the rubric or rubrics; rubrical.
Verb: rubric (third-person singular simple present rubrics, present participle rubricking, simple past and past participle rubricked)
  1. (transitive) To adorn with red; to redden.
 
I disagree that a rubric need be printed or apply specifically to student work.
ok, that's fine
 
@LoganM you could fit the criteria I described to work as a rubric
 
though you'd still get deductions for it in an audition.
@Hakase have you actively done so?
Many people believe they grade work objectively without a rubric. Every study that has looked at this (and there are many) show that all of these people fail to do so.
 
5:34 AM
not on paper, but I have a pretty strong understanding of gradations of plot consistency, character definition and such
idk it seems to me that if I write it down, it's gonna look too much work to fill out to get a rating out of it
 
@Hakase If you don't have something written down somewhere and check against it before assigning each grade, I don't think I trust you to say anything more than "good" vs "bad"
 
suki ni shiro :p
 
@ton.yeung Had to go over the sheet music a few minutes ahead of time, but roughly yeah.
 
Not that there's a problem with that, but just that many people seem to think that they are justified in making more precise claims, and they aren't. Stick to what you're good at. Human psychology is good at determining "good" vs "bad", not "7/10" vs "6/10"
 
from what I know, people aren't designed to hold the whole systems in their head, but to work with generalized concepts which are pieces of the big systems
 
5:37 AM
@ton.yeung It's easier if you can relate each note to the key.
 
At least, for singing.
 
@LoganM good vs bad is 2 points, from which you can go further to deciding between "minimum good" and "maximum good" (7…10), then "minimum good" and average good (7…8.5), then somewhere inbetween that until you can't say you're sure about how you feel and leave it at that
 
@ton.yeung Figure out whether a note is "do re mi fa etcetera".
 
I usually end up rating with half-point precision, but very rarely with quarter-point
 
5:40 AM
@Hakase And humans are absolutely terrible at going anywhere beyond the first two
 
most of them anyway
 
I know because I've seen TAs grade work without using rubrics. They're absolutely terrible. And these are people who are Ph.D. candidates in physics, who have a very well-developed number-sense. Everyday people are no better than random number generators.
 
rating a whole bunch of works in a row is very different from rating a single work over the course of many days
 
@Hakase TA grading is all done in one sitting in my department.
 
then there is no way to get it done right other than using the rubrics
 
5:43 AM
Right. And that's in a relatively controlled environment.
When it comes to something opinionated like how good a series is, you lose absolutely every control that was helping.
 
@LoganM 0% FS, 100% action? no ecchi tag on genre.
 
You'll find all sorts of spurious correlations to random things, like how the weather was when you were watching it or whether your speakers are in need of replacement.
@SeptianPrimadewa I hope not. 100% action would be 100% unwatchable, even if it is Kancolle.
 
in cases where something is definitely not in order to provide the best experience I not only refrain from rating, but also from watching coz wtf we gotta fix those speakers :p
my approach to playing music is entirely different, it seems
I just try to play from memory since I can't read any notation
 
Your psychology is not a Boolean variable. Absolutely everything you encounter is relevant to it. You can't ignore that and expect to end up with something objective. You have to do something to explicitly remove those aspects from your rating. If your criteria are as vague as "I noticed some issues", you're going to be rating series lower just because you happened to be more attentive that day, which is silly.
 
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Q: In the manga Black god, do Kuro and Keita fall in love?

ConnorI've looked all over the place for this but I couldn't find anything on the manga just the anime version which was a little annoying after Kuro and Keita got so close. So yeah I was just wondering do they develop a relationship or are they forever just friends?

 
5:50 AM
the total rating is the average of the most obvious strong and weak points
it doesn't get tough if there are no particularly strong points either way − that way it's just a "meh" work, which is around 6 and below "recommendable"
 
How do you perform such an averaging?
 
thing is I try to focus on the good parts (coz this is where my interest lies obviously) and so my understanding of ratings is strongest within the 7.5….9.5 range
if it's obviously bad, I just cross it off the list completely
who cares how bad it is anyway
 
I do.
 
really?
 
If you can't even say how bad something is, you definitely can't say how good something is.
 
5:54 AM
thing is… it has to be good at something first for you to get interested enough to analyze the flaws more precisely
so if everything is perfect, but this one aspect is plain horrible, you'll have a way better idea how it ruins the whole experience and how it could have been avoided, rather than if the show was just okay and there were several not very important flaws
there was this one movie that got a 5/10 from me, which is probably the lowest scoring title with me that I got to analyze so deeply as compared to other low scoring works, because it had several aspects which I had very high hopes for
 
I still don't understand what that has to do with rating though. How do you compare the relative flaws in an objective way?
 
but the plot was awful and the characters were not doing almost anything, they just died one after another (ok nvm this)
@LoganM I learned to analyze my own emotions well enough to know how each strong point makes me sway my general opinion of the work, from which the total rating gets formed. Apart from that I don't really have any other objective tools to measure my personal opinion :p
so for now the problem of objective ratings remains unsolved
and it's time to go to work
gotta get the book to read on the road
 
In the first place, I don't understand why anyone even wants ratings more than just "good" vs "bad" for entertainment. I mean, all you really want to know from the person is whether or not you should watch it yourself. Surely, to zeroth order, all you care about is whether the person says it's good or not.
if you want to get more precise than that, it's better to look at how similar your tastes are to the rater's than the rater's very subtle opinions on how a minor character's hair was drawn with the wrong shade of green in one scene and so they subtracted a tenth of a point. Even if you agree with the rater that this was a mistake, it's not likely to be a relevant fact for anyone deciding to watch the series.
 
do we need different tag for akame ga kill manga and anime?
 
In teaching, we have to do this sort of judging, because that's one of the big services we offer. And so we spend countless hours making, testing, debating, and applying very elaborate rubrics to do this (significantly more than it takes to read through the assignments). But if you don't need data at that level of precision and you know it's going to be a hassle to get, why bother?
 
6:08 AM
@SeptianPrimadewa Not really
 
Hah. People making sense.
 
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@LoganM While people may not need that level of precision, they sure as hell want it, no matter how inaccurate and unhelpful it might be.
 
@Yuuki Yes, people want lots of things. Most of them are stupid.
I can say with absolute certainty that I never care for a single person's opinion on a qualitative score of any work of entertainment more than "good" vs "bad". If they want to give me adjectives, fine. But don't give me numbers. I understand numbers quite well, and your opinions aren't numbers.
It may be useful to aggregate the opinions of a large number of people into a number, though the right way to do this is not at all obvious. But letting people be significantly more precise than just "good" vs. "bad" only lowers the overall usefulness of any sort of aggregate, because there are no standards in place for what constitutes what.
 
Alright, here's what my workstation looks like:
 
6:15 AM
The biggest problem with all these rating systems is that everyone has their own. Game sites have editors who write reviews and give ratings based hell knows what, very often not on what they just wrote right next to it.

So the ratings are intended first and foremost for the people whose rating system vision is similar to the rater's. This means you're likely to get a consistent score from the users whose highest and lowest rated items are the same as yours. You're likely to have the same rating patterns, so you can safely assume that the new show that they liked a lot, you will also like
 
Why are they all 1 TB drives?
 
@Mysticial That's a lot of anime you can download nods
 
@LoganM They're not.
 
okay, not all, but a lot are
 
Ignoring the first two, it looks like it's 8 x 1TB + 8 x 2TB. But it's really 4 x 1TB + 12 * 2TB.
But for 4 of the 2TB drives, I took out 1TB and put them together to make the D drive.
So physically, there's only 17 drives.
 
6:18 AM
Are 1TB and 2TB drives preferable for some reason? Last I checked, I thought the optimal price to storage ratio was for 3TB drives.
 
Those are old drives.
Very old drives.
 
oic
 
Mostly pre-2010.
 
Looks like 4TB has come down in price since I last checked.
 
Sakurai Tomoki, futatabi sanjou~
 
6:19 AM
Not sure if that's better than 3 now.
 
I bought 5 x 4TB WD Green drives when they briefly fell below $130 some months ago.
Those I mostly for "normal" use - such as storing and backing up Anime.
 
 
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7:25 AM
@JNat About 2 weeks ago, why?
Don't know, how would I do that? O_o
Probably not then, Ï chose the medium price shipping method, to get it delivered before christmas
But part of the order was apparently out of stock, so that was sent a few days later
D:
Whaaaat?!
Hope she's fine ._.
yay
#potato
 
@Mysticial which is better, internal or external HDD for backup?
 
Depends. If you're like me and has an HD dock and a bunch of naked hard drives, then internal is better. Otherwise, external.
btw, I posted about my rig on an overclocker forum: xtremesystems.org/forums/…
I may have the shittiest CPU on the whole forum, but probably one of the better storage setups.
 
7:42 AM
how much PSU u need?
 
Not much. Hard drives don't pull a lot.
10W per drive
So 16 drives isn't even 200W/h.
The OC'ed CPU probably pulls around 130W.
There's no high-powered video card in the rig.
And the PSU is 850. Completely overkill.
If I ever turn it into a gaming rig, I'll put in a real video card. But it still wouldn't get close to 850W total.
 
850 is too much
 
The 850W PSU came from an older rig which I intended to run dual video cards.
But things happen and parts get shuffled around.
 
do we need cooler for HDD?
 
@SeptianPrimadewa Not if you're running dual graphics card :3
 
7:48 AM
There are fans on the back of the racks.
There's actually two racks of 5 HDs stacked on top of each other. Each one has a small on the back which you can't see in that picture.
2 of them stacked.
 
@ton.yeung not good for small W house
 
@Mysticial How hot does your HDDs go for?
 
I've only been running them for about 2 hours now. Not hot at all.
The ones in the rack are running at like 35C.
 
my house for example, only 1,3k W
 
@ton.yeung Bali: 25C (298.15K), haze
@ton.yeung 77F
 
7:54 AM
@SeptianPrimadewa Bahasa Indonesia?
 
@Frosteeze yup
 
@SeptianPrimadewa yay :D
too bad I forgot most of my Indonesian rofl
 
@HoiHoi-san what is haze ?
 
Hoihoi-san is back? Yay :D
 
She was always with us in our hearts
!!define haze
 
7:58 AM
@Frosteeze haze (uncountable) Very fine solid particles (smoke, dust) or liquid droplets (moisture) suspended in the air, slightly limiting visibility.
 
with hammer
 
@LoganM in any case, no matter how non-objective rating systems are, you can get a good general idea of how various ratings correlate with your own, based on multiple tests (watch a movie/series, compare your own score with provided) which is basically all you need
 
nice
I'm looking forward to improving the hangman
 
8:43 AM
Ohh xD
Were those not tests?
@ton.yeung Am I? How? D: How would I do this?
:(
Y u gotta make me excited, only to then shoot me down? ._.
Aha, I see :P
In either case, good luck :)
 
9:02 AM
give you an idea where the robots are made
 
9:18 AM
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Q: Why does Orochimaru helps Sasuke in the midst of war?

MiramielOrochimaru suppose to be the one who wants his Sasuke body, But after hearing Sasuke's decision to protect the village, Orochimaru announces that he will also help in the war effort against Madara. Why did Orochimaru helps him?

 
reminded me of the Kurushi game
oh shit it's a real word!
after all these years I realized it actually makes sense
geimupureiyu bideo
 
beautiful!
mm these fat tomes on the shelf
 
9:33 AM
hammer
 
time
hoi hoi has become sentient
all hail @ton , until HoiHoi takes over
 
im excited to see everyones presents :)
 
opantsumi!
 
9:48 AM
hammer
 
just got to work and my pc's supply unit went out in smokes
 
hammer
 
turns out it didn't have a cooler installed and it was bound to happen sooner or later
oh and it's my work pc
everything's fine with my two computers
gotta detect from which room the message is coming from and respond there
 
@HoiHoi-san ssh
 
I wonder what I can do with cream
it's not fat enough to blegarberbl it up
tea with cream isn't all that much better
 
9:54 AM
@ton.yeung oh ok, thought u went to sleep
 
hmm
experimentally?
does the delay increase with each subsequent failure?
just add 61 second before trying again imo
oh wait 61 is too much
recursive method?
sounds bad
 

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