@DavidCarlisle OK, will try that

@JosephWright can I rely on lazy evaluation of boolean expressions?

@yo' Yes: documented behaviour

@JosephWright perfect.

@JosephWright Why on earth is ltnews.pdf set ragged right? TeX has superior line breaking and we don't use it?

@HenriMenke Narrow columns, etc., I guess: as @DavidCarlisle

@JosephWright TUGboat also has narrow columns and is not set ragged right.

@HenriMenke Like I said, predates me

@HenriMenke partly we just wanted to make it look different in particlular not like latex209 article. But also to use other fonts (most of the class file is font setup) seem to have given up on the fonts and reverted back to cm/lm these days but using non-cm fonts was quite radical at the time mirror.ox.ac.uk/sites/ctan.org/macros/latex/doc/ltnews01.pdf

Answer accepted after 2 years and almost 4 months!

@HenriMenke -- take another look. tugboat often sets reference lists ragged right, and other lists too. and not infrequently, some rephrasing is done to avoid really nasty spacing problems. you just see the final results. it's really nontrivial.

@HenriMenke I don't see it as that much questionable. You avoid the need for manual tweaks

@StefanKottwitz Oh, i missed that one. I guess there would have been helpful things in there. packtpub.com/application-development/…

@barbarabeeton and I can confirm this, since I also typeset a two-column journal, and we also set references raggedright.

@Johannes_B There's a second editon, extended

@GonzaloMedina Really nice! Also sharing in chat is a subtle way to farm rep :)

@StefanKottwitz Cookbook reminds me of something ;-)

@HenriMenke @GonzaloMedina already has far too much rep!

@JosephWright xetex -fmt=xelatex tlb1214.lvt hangs for a couple of minutes now.

@DavidCarlisle Should I downvote some of his answers?

@HenriMenke Are you running things by hand?

@HenriMenke think you need to downvote 640 answers to reduce rep by 320?

@HenriMenke You will need a current l3build: there was a recent change that hasn't yet gone to CTAN

@JosephWright No, texlua build.lua ctan. The process tree revealed that tlb1214 hangs.

@HenriMenke Odd: all OK here

@HenriMenke OK here

@JosephWright :

real    29m4.659s
user    25m42.564s
sys     3m2.119s

@DavidCarlisle I had to start again: had some test issues

@JosephWright but I failed some tests as i didn't re-install l3build for the line number thing:-)

@HenriMenke Definitely OK here with an up-to-date (SVN head) version of l3build and the LaTeX2e repo

@DavidCarlisle Hmmm. You mean downvote 160 answers? Downvoting 640 of my answers seems a little too much, even for you ;)

@JosephWright Maybe I try again tomorrow.

@GonzaloMedina oh yes wishful thinking got the better of me, mixed up multiply and divide, easily done:-)

@HenriMenke What's wrong with the DropBox test version?

@JosephWright That I'm downloading for over half an hour now and have obtained 27MB so far.

@HenriMenke Ah, slow-ish connection, I see

@JosephWright But slow on Dropbox' side. My connection is actually super fast.

@HenriMenke OK, I'm not sure about that part :-)

@JosephWright speedtest.net/my-result/4184031616

@HenriMenke Similar-ish to my flat

@JosephWright I can mirror your Dropbox folder on the university server, if that is favourable.

@HenriMenke speedtest.net/my-result/4184036247

:(

actually that's pretty fast for me it's often below 2

@DavidCarlisle Is the internet infrastructure in general so bad in the UK?

@DavidCarlisle :( mine is better, but the price is high (I can't choose, I have to pay this one) speedtest.net/my-result/4184041600

@HenriMenke not in general, but I'm in a village with no fibre, no streetlights no shops etc and the internet comes over a bit of string strung over the fields and bandwidth depends on the strength of the wind...

@DavidCarlisle Indeed: not so bad at home but still not as fast as here in Norwich

@DavidCarlisle At home our telephone is overhead, etc.

@DavidCarlisle Nearly done with the timing for building LaTeX2e: I'm doing the lot

@JosephWright I'll show you the speedtest at work tomorrow :)

@yo' Probably much the same as I'll get at work :-)

@JosephWright I rebuilt l3build and now im at tlb3480

@JosephWright probably. In Prague we've got a true 5Gbps years ago, so on wire, I can easily get a lot

@DavidCarlisle Oh drat: missed some test file updates!

@DavidCarlisle Going to be around 30 minues

@JosephWright so as my last run was 29m4.659s, about the same then:-)

@DavidCarlisle I guess so

@DavidCarlisle Does that include all of the typesetting?

@HenriMenke that's somehow crazy. But not as much as in Finland, where it's in the Declaration of Basic Rights :)

@HenriMenke I was right: speedtest.net/my-result/4184048670

@yo' I mean to recall that the UN declared the access to internet to be a human right in the sense that no one is allowed to turn your access off.

@HenriMenke that's somehow wrong. They can turn off your electricity if you don't pay, but not your internet?!

@HenriMenke yes im on adsl so notionally 8Mb/s but because we are so far from the exchange and the line is so open BT won't rate it at higher than 2Mb/s. 80% of the county is supposed to be on fast (ie >20 Mb/s) connection by end of year but we are not scheduled to be upgraded ever currently

@yo' The state may not suppress your connectivity, i.e. your jurisdiction may not block your access to, e.g. Facebook. Paying your carrier is another thing. Your carrier may also not turn off your access, as long as you pay.

@DavidCarlisle Does your village have LTE coverage?

@DavidCarlisle In Germany that's the method of choice in poorly wired areas.

@HenriMenke 4G? yes getting to the point where mobile is competing on speed (but nowhere near on price) I've never checked what speed I get on the phone, I suppose I should:-)

@HenriMenke ah ok, it's in this sense. In Finland, they got further, and I think they'll provide you with a (slow) ISP for free if you don't get anything else and you want it.

@JosephWright yes build ctan

@JosephWright henrimenke.com/2ebuild.zip

@JosephWright Super fast mirror