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12:00 AM
@masfenix Have you tried it both ways?
 
@yo' that's a good point. I'll take that into consideration.
 
@Werner You may catch @DavidCarlisle with some effort. He's still 175 points shy of @GonzaloMedina.
 
@yo' what thingy?
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha R thingy ;) but it probably does a good job if you're a stats person. Still, the mixing of programming and text export ...
 
@FaheemMitha I am in the part of my research where I am getting results. So for organization, I thought I'd ask first.
 
12:00 AM
@yo' You mean the R programming environment?
 
incase there was a standard
 
@masfenix Unlikely. But you can post both your versions on the site, and ask people to comment.
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha yep. Mainly of the idea that R exports somehow directly to LaTeX.
 
@yo' Exporting R plots to LaTeX via tikzdevice is a useful feature.
R itself is crap, but very popular. And ggplot2 is a killer app.
These days it is pratically the only reason I use R.
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha yep. Writing whole articles in R (which some do AFAI understand) is questionable
 
12:05 AM
@yo' Whole articles in R? How?
That sweave thing?
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha I dunno really, that's what I grasped the site
@FaheemMitha ah, probably
 
@yo' ok
@yo' sweave is some bizarre substitute for a proper build system that R people use.
 
@egreg @DavidCarlisle purposefully leaves packages in a state of flux, promotes them for usage globally, and then question(s) start pouring in, so he can answer them. Very rabble-rouser-y.
 
It seems to work for them.
OTOH, R is better than freaking Matlab and SAS and all those vile proprietary tools. Not that that is saying much.
 
yo'
@FaheemMitha yeah. well, I dunno
and I gotta go
ciao
 
12:08 AM
@masfenix how is your user experience with tikzdevice so far?
I notice that development seems to have picked up again after a lull. But some new people, not the original author.
 
@egreg 275, I think :)
 
@GonzaloMedina Oh, yes!
 
My supervisor still wants me to use MATLAB. I can't, R is just awesome.
@FaheemMitha I've only used it once to get a very very simple plot.
As I get more complex results, I'll try to give you an update through chat (and if I remember :P)
 
12:30 AM
@masfenix eww
@masfenix Ok.
ggplot2 is very useful, but somewhat buggy.
and the devs don't care about fixing the bugs I find.
There is a python fork, but it doesn't seem production-ready.
 
12:46 AM
@FaheemMitha actually, I just have too much code written in R to move to MATLAB
and my research is in bioinformatics - which I find the bioConductor packages to be awesome
 
1:02 AM
@masfenix you don't want to move to MATLAB anyway. It's definitely a worse choice than R.
Are you a grad student?
 
1:25 AM
yes
 
2:13 AM
@masfenix ok. Bioinformatics?
Oh, you said that already.
 
 
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8:44 AM
@PauloCereda Did you see the two l3build pull requests?
 
9:00 AM
@JosephWright Can you zap tex.stackexchange.com/a/230372/4427 ?
 
@egreg Done
 
@egreg Just joined. Anyone there?
 
@induktio Hi! You seem to have two different names!
 
@induktio Hello
 
I did change my name from induktio a while back to crash, as it is now
does it show up differently in here or something?
 
9:07 AM
@induktio I see it as “induktio”; don't bother. Where are you from?
 
@egreg Ah, I might need to make the name change SE-wide then. I am from the east coast in the USA.
@egreg I've always wanted to chat with you haha! Really have wanted to pick your brain about TeX for a while
I had such a hard time picking it up in the beginning (a couple of years ago).
 
@induktio Just let it flow; and don't question the choices TeX/LaTeX make until you're experienced and can do judgments. Among the worst errors one can make, there's trying to customize the output like it can be done with word processors. The motto is: if something is difficult to do with TeX, there are good chances it's typographically disputable.
@induktio Please, also tell you always wanted to chat with @DavidCarlisle, or he'll get offended.
 
@egreg Haha! Is there some sort of rivalry or something?
 
@induktio I'm better at cricket than he. ;-)
 
@egreg Them be fighting words!
 
9:15 AM
@GonzaloMedina but you're not counting...
 
@egreg Mostly, I am curious as to how best to devote my time to become more proficient in TeX and LaTeX. I definitely have the passion and the willingness. That is certainly not the issue. Mostly, I've just thought reading Knuth would be the best idea. But are there any books (in English because I'm not multilingual unfortunately) that you would consider very outstanding that are not part of what I have already mentioned I have?
 
@induktio If you want to know the internals, read TeX by Topic.
@induktio It's drier than the TeXbook, but straight to the point.
 
@egreg @induktio and reading the source of latex (source2e) which has examples of pretty much all tex features somewhere.
 
@egreg By Victor Eijkhout correct?
@DavidCarlisle Is this the correct link to the source you mentioned? tug.org/texlive/Contents/live/texmf-dist/doc/latex/base/…
 
@induktio Yes, if you have TeX Live, just do texdoc texbytopic; or you can download it from texdoc.net, just type texbytopic in the top search box; the same for source2e
 
9:25 AM
@egreg Excellent! Thanks for the tips and advice :) Out of curiosity...just how many Knuth reward checks do you have? haha
 
@induktio Just one.
 
@egreg I saw you had 0x$1.00 (at least since 2006). I've managed to accrue 0x$5.20, but it was for somewhat trivial stuff I'm afraid.
 
@induktio yes although it is part of the core latex distribution so you will have it already eg texdoc source2e
 
@egreg You might chuckle at this (or at least find it somewhat amusing). I kind of "laminated" my three Knuth reward checks on the cover of my hardback version of the TeXbook.
 
@induktio :)
 
9:33 AM
@induktio have you seen the picture of Frank's cheques?
 
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the pointer. I'm looking forward to checking out these two different sources of TeX knowledge.
@DavidCarlisle Yes!! That is such a beautiful picture. It's a shame the chariots are no more. Sob. :(
 
9:58 AM
@Johannes_B: Some stuff for you: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/230397/… ;-)
 
10:43 AM
Interesting question: Why does a miktex user think it is the mathtools maintainers problem that miktex has mh/mathtools problems? I don't really see the connection here.
 
11:33 AM
@daleif Link?
 

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