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1:07 AM
Debate is on!
 
 
7 hours later…
8:09 AM
@DavidCarlisle Working on my xparse talk: turns out some of the ideas you/Chris/Frank had were not so bad :)
 
 
2 hours later…
9:44 AM
It was awful.
 
@PauloCereda Trump's going to win
 
@JosephWright :(
 
yo'
10:04 AM
@JosephWright wanted WW3? Here you go... :-/
 
10:15 AM
@JosephWright Really? Was he that good in the debate or was HRC that bad?
 
10:25 AM
@wilx The analysis I've seen says Trump didn't loose badly, which is enough
 
 
1 hour later…
11:38 AM
does anyone use refTeX here?
 
@Werner: when you are online, could you poke me? :)
 
 
3 hours later…
2:24 PM
@PauloCereda How shaky was the bus?
 
@egreg Very shaky. :) And there were no seats in the middle, so I had to sit in the back chairs, which are shakier than the usual shaking. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm envious, I have to go with this instead of a nice shaky bus
And this is the car I usually seat in
Unbearable. :P
 
@egreg Oh my!
I am envious now. :)
@egreg: does it have wi-fi?
 
2:44 PM
@PauloCereda They charge me 20% more for the monthly fee.
@PauloCereda It has, but it's useless. I go 4G
 
@PauloCereda I'm online...
...getting ready to get on the bus to work...
...there might be slight delays in my response...
 
@Werner Gonzalo is fine. :)
@egreg oh I see.
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@egreg I never managed to get a 4G connection around. It's only 3G and the area is very restricted. I only use WhatApp, Threema and email on my smartphone.
@egreg I poked him, he poked back. :)
 
yo'
@egreg for 1st class?
 
2:58 PM
Joseph Wright has added an event to this room's schedule.
 
@yo' 20% more than the standard first class fee for the "new" trains
@yo' After the first year as a commuter, I decided that I would only go in first class. It's my 21st, now.
 
@egreg ooh fancy
I never travelled first class. Only coach or in the lugagge thingy.
 
@PauloCereda The monthly fee is about 60% more than second class, but the difference in comfort is not comparable.
 
@egreg oh!
 
@PauloCereda Thanks!
 
3:08 PM
@PauloCereda Just one aspect second class cars have about 90 seats, first class have 54. Not to mention the wine. ;-)
 
@egreg Do they have Coca-Cola too? :)
@Werner My pleasure. :) I can poke everybody. :)
 
@PauloCereda If you really want it.
 
@egreg and Pringles.
 
@PauloCereda ...and have the funds to support it, of course.
 
@Werner Ducks are very good at poking. :)
 
3:11 PM
@PauloCereda No Pringles, I'm afraid. But this month they're offering chips.
@PauloCereda Of course the comfort on modern trains is nothing compared to what we could have in the past
@PauloCereda I travelled on these cars in 1975 and also later; maybe the last time was around 1980, from Brescia to Bergamo
And it was regular service, not historic trains.
 
@egreg Oh my!
 
@PauloCereda Very nice cars, those! There was a door between every pair of seats, so they were familiarly called "cento porte"
 
@egreg It must be very classy!
 
@PauloCereda They actually were for third class; when it was abolished, they were upgraded to second class by changing the number on the doors.
 
@egreg oh my!
 
3:26 PM
@PauloCereda Simple and effective, isn't it?
 
@egreg Indeed!
 
yo'
3:55 PM
@egreg so it's "first first class"? :)
 
@yo' More or less: they're introducing newer trains (actually more than ten year old; the ones we have now are 30/40 year old, refurbished) on the line, so they charge more for them.
 
4:30 PM
@JosephWright just seen Chris at the SPQR evemt (which was a surprisingly good day really)
 
@DavidCarlisle Didn't know he going!
@DavidCarlisle A celebration of a life well-lived, I assume?
@DavidCarlisle How is Chris?
 
@JosephWright range of subjects covered from classical greek to tex to xml to tei to ...
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@JosephWright as ever:-) JF also. (and Phil gave a nice overview) podcasts will be online later
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure I can imagine Chris and JF in the same room!
 
4:33 PM
@JosephWright neither did the organisers:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I don't think I've ever met Phil Taylor
@DavidCarlisle Ah
 
 
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6:23 PM
@egreg -- i don't think so ... that phil taylor looks about twice as big as the one i know, and the phil i know also has very white hair (and no beard).
 
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Q: Is there a LaTeX/ConTeXt Rosetta stone out there (i.e. LaTeX and ConTeXt files producing the same output)?

JohnWCompared to LaTeX (as a set of macros, a "language", not as the latex implementation), there are far fewer ConTeXt documents available. Yet ConTeXt seems really interesting and I want to explore it a bit more. What I would be very interested in is a kind of Rosetta stone for LaTeX and ConTeXt. I...

^^^ This is definitely »too broad«.
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6:51 PM
@egreg don't be silly, he's not american:
 
7:02 PM
@HenriMenke Yup
@DavidCarlisle > After some ten years of development and testing
@DavidCarlisle I like the last bit!
 
@JosephWright the "We want to thank David and Joseph" bit?
@JosephWright building now....
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle Guess once Akira has a build made I'll look at l3build
 
@JosephWright still haven't got biber running (after multiple emails with Ken brown (who does cygwin texlive) and Philip Kime) strace shows it is looping in dll loading ken found a similar looking issue on a cygwin forum but that was resolved by turning off virus checker and i can't do that (have admin access but somehow or other not for that and anyway can't really do that on a works machine) previous texlive i got it to work by using it as a perl script (not compiled) but now ..
@JosephWright... it needs a bleeding edge perl and i'd have to build perl from source as cygwin is .2 of a version behind :(
@JosephWright bibtex is a lot easier to install:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@DavidCarlisle Before Biber was in TL I used to compile my own, but not with the Cygwin 'fun'
 
7:21 PM
@JosephWright I don't think it used to need perl so close to the development release. cygwin has 5.22 but biber refuses to run on less than 5.24
 
@DavidCarlisle That's the version in Strawberry, so would have been fine
 
@JosephWright cygwin will probably catch up soon but that was the situation yesterday:-)
luatex still building....
 
@DavidCarlisle ^^^
 
7:42 PM
@HenriMenke New bug search starting off
 
$ lualatex
This is LuaTeX, Version 1.0.0 (TeX Live 2017/dev)
 restricted system commands enabled.
**\documentclass{article}
LaTeX2e <2016/03/31> patch level 3
Babel <3.9r> and hyphenation patterns for 1 language(s) loaded.

*\begin{document}
(/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2014/09/29 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
No file texput.aux.

*Hello World

*\end{document}
[1{/usr/local/texlive/2016/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}]
@JosephWright ^^
 
@egreg This release date seems to be completely arbitrary. It's just like in the Linux kernel where they just slap a major version number on the same code which was before 3.9.14.26r245 or whatever.
@egreg If they follow Google Chrome's lead we will have LuaTeX 20.0.0 by next year.
 
  $ texlua build.lua check
^^^^ what could go wrong....
 
8:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ask Mr Murphy
 
8:21 PM
$ ls build/test/*diff | wc -l
84
@JosephWright ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle is this good?
 
@PauloCereda well 84 failures wouldn't be great except....:
@JosephWright just ran over the diffs by eye looks like apart from one supercalifragilistic test they are all instances of the new discretionary logging that came up at 0.98
build/test/tl2e3.luatex.diff
::::::::::::::
*** ../build/test/tl2e3.luatex.tlg      2016-09-27 20:48:00.460379200 +0100
--- ../build/test/tl2e3.luatex.log      2016-09-27 20:48:00.472404100 +0100
***************
*** 95,100 ****
--- 95,102 ----
  ....\OT1/cmss/m/sl/10 h
  ....\OT1/cmss/m/sl/10 a
  ....\OT1/cmss/m/sl/10 p
+ ....\discretionary (penalty 50)
+ .....< \OT1/cmss/m/sl/10 -
  ....\OT1/cmss/m/sl/10 p
  ....\kern0.27779
  ....\OT1/cmss/m/sl/10 e
so I suppose it's just a matter of deciding whether to normalise that out in l3build or just to check in the .luatex.tlg versions,
just build/test/tlb0435.luatex.diff to check ..
 
@DavidCarlisle oh those are failures
 
@PauloCereda yes diff between what we get and the checked in expected log
 
@DavidCarlisle got it
 
8:39 PM
        FATAL ERROR
        Luaotfload requires a Luatex version >= 0.95.0.
        Please update your TeX distribution!
oops...
 
@DavidCarlisle Day three of reporting bugs
 
@DavidCarlisle 0<95, as everybody knows.
 
@JosephWright so I think we see how much testing against latex went in to this release....
 

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