@HarishKumar 1AM here, not really late. In UK it's 12 midnight.

@HarishKumar On the other hand, 5:30 AM is a time I've seen rarely in my life. ;-)

@egreg Naturally when you are up till 1AM, you won't (ever) see 5.30AM! ;). And yes it is tooooo late in England ;)

Good night!

night

@egreg Good night

@DavidCarlisle Good night

@HarishKumar Surely that depends how long you stay up after 01:00?

@cfr True, but I meant you sleep and then see 5.30AM :-)

@DavidCarlisle Are you there ?

Good maen

@ChristianHupfer saying thiis at 8:21 local time is sign of either complete lunacy of active Christianity :) Good morning!

@tohecz: I was up even one hour earlier :D

@ChristianHupfer :D

@PauloCereda: Well, are you excited?

@ChristianHupfer I'm scared. :)

Uh, buddies, I'm facing a little issue here.

tex.stackexchange.com/questions/68091/…

I'm running TexMaker with MikTeX

The code in that answer is giving me the error beamer.cls not found.

Help....

@Nick Have you ever successfully compiled a beamer document before in this very system?

@Nick: This looks like a corrupted MiKTeX distribution... beamer.cls is not installed or the paths are corrupted

Everybody prepares for the interview :D

@ChristianHupfer Indeed

@JosephWright: Unfortunately I can't read it 'live' :-(

@ChristianHupfer Oh no!

@PauloCereda: I expect a full transcript :D

Any ideas from MikTeX (and Windoze) users? ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Let me try! Oh, well…

@PauloCereda never. This was my first try.

@HarishKumar yes

@ChristianHupfer Ermagash, do I reinstall or something!?

@Nick: Ermagash?????

@egreg: As you might have noticed, Ulrike has added a comment already

@ChristianHupfer ("oh my gosh" in teenager-speak)

@ChristianHupfer So I can't show my windoze skills?

@egreg: Which skills? :-P

@ChristianHupfer Will reinstalling MikTeX fix my issue?

@DavidCarlisle It sounds like you're insulting @egreg

@Nick would I? ask him the meaning of the Italian he usually addresses me by....

@Nick: I don't like teenagers... I see them every bloody day in my classes :-P

@DavidCarlisle Does he call you guinea dago? If not, then he's not insulting you much.

@Nick: Usually a reinstall fixes the most issues, but I am no Windoze user and I uses MikTeX about a decade ago ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I don't like air, I breath it every bloody day of my life. (Does this argument sound valid?)

@Nick: Partially... We all can't cope without air, but I can cope without teenagers :D

@ChristianHupfer Remember they're only cocoons. Todays dipshits are tomorrow's butterflies.

@ChristianHupfer Maybe some introspection might help you deal with your issues. Let's begin with the most basic question: "Have you made the right career choice if you are dealing with the things you dislike?"

@Nick: This is neither career-advisor.sx nor how-to-learn-irony.sx ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Alas, those two died before they were conceived. Tis' not irony but tragedy immersed in misery and agony.

@ChristianHupfer Hey, I used TeXnicCenter for more than half an hour about ten years ago!

@egreg how do you remember that? Was it that good or was it that bad?

@egreg: Also, what do you address @David in Italian as (Also, what does it mean?)

@Nick The fact that I still remember the experience should be telling. ;-) Doing the simplest task was seemingly impossible.

Go at the 1:45 mark, the meaning should be clear.

@egreg: Pardon me, that is of course enough... I admire your patience to have worked with windoze for half an hour... I usually have a nervous breakdown after 5 minutes

@ChristianHupfer :)

@ChristianHupfer the trick to surviving in windows (I do it every day) is to make sure emacs is running to give you a save haven of sanity.

@DavidCarlisle: A few years ago I was offered to adminster a windows network in my former school, which would have meant a significant promotion and a (much) higher income, but I declined, since ... well, you know, it was windows

Can't we use itemize inside a tabular?

@Nick: Normally no, but in a \parbox it works

@DavidCarlisle Case changing issues fixed: demo now works!

@Nick yes but only in paragraph mode p{3cm] you can not have itenize in \mbox for same reason

Parabox.. interesting.

@JosephWright it'll fail on the day:-) but you and @PauloCereda are making me worried now, am I supposed to prepare something.... :-)

@DavidCarlisle Will send to CTAN shortly

@DavidCarlisle I mainly wander around talking to myself to work out my presentations!

@DavidCarlisle I am familiar with nothing :D

@JosephWright: Incidentally, I already got a reply from CTAN ... they will consider my application, but this does not mean anything so far ;-)

@ChristianHupfer Cool

@ChristianHupfer From Rainer?

@ChristianHupfer I'm trying to sort some things in the UK

@JosephWright: No, Petra wrote the answer, but cc - ed it to Manfred and Rainer

@ChristianHupfer Ah right

@JosephWright: I hope, my knowledge of English is good enough in case of my application should be successful

I am off ... have a lot of fun with the interview (I am sad I cannot attend it :-((((( ) See you later

in 15 minutes:

@tohecz Oh no!

@PauloCereda :)

@PauloCereda Hihi! I planned to do it, but @tohecz did it before me ;)

@HarishKumar <3

@PauloCereda who's going to moderate the hearing interview?

@tohecz Dunno. :)

@PauloCereda well, it's not gonna be you, right? Hello, I'm Paulo Cereda and I would like to welcome our interviewee, Paulo Cereda.

@DavidCarlisle Hi David. Ready? @PauloCereda was waiting for you! :-)

@tohecz Paulo never talks in third person, I think. :)

@PauloCereda Hello, I'm Paulo Cereda and I would like to welcome myself to my interview. -- Better?

@tohecz Me, I guess

@JosephWright ok :) Hi Joseph! :)

The room is deserted, everybody asks Paulo questions.

@Johannes_B Nah, just nothing exciting to say :-)

Currently, Germany are destroying England at football, for example: par-for-the-course

@JosephWright As long, as it's just football, i can't get alarmed.

... I reinstalled MikTeX but I still can't get packages to download.

So, I can't install the wrapfig package.

I need some way to cleanly wrap images and text side by side.

@JosephWright You can still beat them in rugby.

\begin{tabular}{c c}
\parbox[t]{5cm}{\includegraphics[scale=0.5]{ansi.jpg}} &
\parbox[t]{6cm}{$(1)$ The formation of  ANSI\\(American National Standard Institution)\\ C++ committee\\}
\\
\parbox[t]{5cm}{\includegraphics[scale=0.3]{manual.jpg}} &
\parbox[t]{6cm}{$(2)$ The publication of the\\ Annotated C++ Reference Manual\\  by Ellis and Stroustrup}
\end{tabular}

@Nick fix your installation problem then use wrapfig. (you could install it by hand, it's only a single file, but fixing the real issue seems better)

@Nick but that doesn't require wrapping

@Nick far more complicated than needed

@DavidCarlisle When I said text, I meant paragraphs. <left image><right paragraph> wrap

blank line \includegraphics[width=5cm]{ansi} \parbox{6cm}{....} then same again for next row

@Nick yes but wraofig is for making cutout paragraphs with some short lines to take the image then reverting to full width within the same paragraph beelow the iimage

@DavidCarlisle Yeah, intext wrapping. That's what I actually wanted but I think I'll settle for your wonderful \parbox idea.

@Nick you're doing something wrong then:-) what is your text width, I was assuming it was more than 11cm from your table suggestion

\includegraphics[width = 3cm]{ansi.jpg} \parbox[t]{3cm}{$(1)$ The formation of  ANSI\\(American National Standard Institution)\\ C++ committee\\}\\
\includegraphics[width= 3cm]{manual.jpg} \parbox[t]{3cm}{$(2)$ The publication of the\\ Annotated C++ Reference Manual\\ by Ellis and Stroustrup}

No matter how much I decrease those widths.

@Nick you need to get rid of the \\ in the middle (get rid of all \\ not in alignments) then presumably the base of the image is lined with the baseline of the top row of the parbox. To change that you can change the reference point of the parbox (eg teh default c) or change the reference point of the image using \raisebox or (more simply) adjustbox package (which gives includegraphics a vertiical alignmnet key

@DavidCarlisle Searching for the documentation of \raisbox is currently frustrating with my net speed. Also, I can't download the adjustbox package either. Just tried to; didn't work. But I figured this out

Someone is in a bad mood:

@Nick presumably you installed miktex with diifferent permisions (eg you installed it as admin but you are running tex as you) I have never used miktex but I'm sure that's fixable

@cgnieder I LOL'd. :)

@cgnieder Zapped

@PauloCereda I can understand him (probably a him) – there were moments when I hated LaTeX. But never so much that I didn't hate the program we don't mention even more :p

Good maen again

@cgnieder vim?

@DavidCarlisle lol

@cgnieder Yes but did you decide to join a site just to swear?

:18743154 Oh no!

@PauloCereda Joseph let you out I see:-)

@DavidCarlisle woohoooo I'm here. :)

@JosephWright No because that's just rude

@PauloCereda and now I can smell the dinner cooking... (it really is duck:-)

@DavidCarlisle Oh no! :)

@DavidCarlisle I always forget it exists. (somehow my brain suppresses thoughts about vim... :p)

@cgnieder most wise

@PauloCereda so was it as bad as you thought, having avoided it all this time?

@DavidCarlisle I survived. :)

@DavidCarlisle must be some defense mechanism

Some question about reviews:

tex.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/56778

It's in my queue, but I have added an answer to the post as well... I think, I should skip, since it would look like a kick out (bad) post to get some rep ... (Although the post is bad, in my point of view, as it does not answer the problem)

@JosephWright So in a few months it may arrive here as well :) (it's only a few weeks since Nr 2 arrived...)

Hello everybody!

Does anybody know how to bind to an ordinary TeX \newwrite from expl3's \iow_... routines?

Got it! expl3's \iow_open internally does nothing else than a \newwrite with some syntactic sugar around it.

@HenriMenke oh no, you've spotted our big secret: all the fancy \s_bb_:nnn stuff is just normal tex, renamed:-)

@DavidCarlisle True. But most of the variables are macros in expl3, hiding all the registers deep inside. I thought, that those streams also were macros containing the name of the write handle or something like that.

@Johannes_B: Your turn:

@PauloCereda: Not every German likes beer... so sorry, I could not provide it :D

I'm curious about how to center the header and footer without using a package like fancyhdr or titlesec. I would have thought editing \ps@headings in a custom cls would do the job, but it seems to be having no effect. Any thoughts about what I should be looking at instead?

@Telemachus You have to reissue \pagestyle{headings} after you change \ps@headings

@egreg \pagestyle{headings} appears on line 735 of the cls file I'm working with. \ps@headings is at 150ff.

@Telemachus So it's not that. ;-) How do you redefine \ps@headings?

@egreg I simply copied book.cls into my directory, renamed it and I'm editing it. Other changes take effect, but the page heading stays stubbornly on the top left and the page footer on the right bottom.

@Telemachus And do you have oneside, by chance?

@egreg I do have onepage, but I believe I'm redefining the right part of ps@headings to take that into account. gist.github.com/telemachus/…

@Telemachus With oneside, \@evenhead and \@evenfoot are never taken into account.

@egreg I know I'm in the right area because if I replace \thepage with "Fuck", that's what ends up on the page. I'm only working with @odd{head,foot}

I'm thinking that perhaps \centering is not valid or ignored in this context? (Too high level?)

\def\ps@headings{%
    \def\@oddfoot{\hfill \thepage\hfill}
    \def\@oddhead{\hfill\slshape\rightmark\hfill}%
    \let\@mkboth\markboth
    \def\chaptermark##1{%
      \markright {\MakeUppercase{%
        \ifnum \c@secnumdepth >\m@ne
          \if@mainmatter
            \@chapapp\ \thechapter. \ %
          \fi
        \fi
        ##1}}}}

@Telemachus \centering is not ignored, but there's implicit code around the header and the footer that makes it behave in a funny way

@egreg Ah, I see. That works for the foot, but oddly not the head yet. Perhaps I have a typo?

@Telemachus In my experiment it also centers the header

Yup, I had a typo hfil instead of \hfill. Apologies. And thank you very much!

Out of curiosity where is the implicit code that makes header and fooder behave oddly? In the same file or...?

@Telemachus: latex.ltx is the common definition file

@Telemachus The head is typeset with \hbox to\textwidth{\@thehead}, where \@thehead is either \@oddhead or \@evenhead. So \centering really does nothing there.

@ChristianHupfer Thanks. Probably further than I want to go with this. I was curious how much work it would take to redefine a cls to my preferences rather than use multiple packages. Turns out, half a days work and a few questions here and it's easily done. Fun.

@egreg I see. Thank you again.

@Telemachus: As soon you want to change some features of LaTeX, it's quite advisable to have a look into latex.ltx and the corresponding classes (and some packages, of course)

@ChristianHupfer Noted for future reference. Thanks.

@egreg: Why \protect\boldmath and not \boldsymbol??? Is \boldsymbol something like a shortcut to \protect\boldmath???

@ChristianHupfer It's not the particular symbol that should become boldface, but all math.

Which would be wrong, I'd say, in general. For a one-off title it may be justified.

@ChristianHupfer And \boldsymbol is obsolete: use \bm

@egreg: Yes, if there is more than one symbol, but it was just one symbol...

@egreg: Obsolete??? Since which decade? :D

@ChristianHupfer It's \pi, not \bm{\pi}, which means something different.

@ChristianHupfer texdoc amsbsy, read the first four lines. ;-)

According to the date, 15 years. Are they sufficient?

@PauloCereda 'twas fun :D

@tohecz ’Twas bryllyg, and ye slythy toves // Did gyre and gymble in ye wabe

@egreg qoui?

@tohecz Don't you know this poem? Oh, dear!

ah ok, got it :) I wasn't sure if it's not Welsh or Scottish

@egreg: Damn, about the date I was using that command :D Thanks

@tohecz “ye” is for “þe” (now “the”).

@ChristianHupfer Unclear, answered anyway.

Wow! what a gentleness! <3 @PauloCereda