TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Paulo Cereda

12:10 AM

@tohecz: good night, Tom!

Sean Allred

1:23 AM

For those that aren't on the mailing list: thoughts?

gist.github.com/vermiculus/d8ac080f3f8c7ec2bed6#file-idea-org

@ChristianHupfer eutypon.gr/eutypon/pdf/e2008-21/e21-a02.pdf

Heiko Oberdiek

6:02 AM

@JosephWright Daily spammer: tex.stackexchange.com/users/61021/ling

Christian Hupfer

6:25 AM

@SeanAllred: ????

cyanide-based food

What is the relationship between a smart, intelligent, genius, knowledgeable and trained?

I will give 4 bounties of 500 each for a single person who can best explain them. For easing me to judge, please post the answers in my own chat room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16035/crazy-and-chaotic-ideas.

cgnieder

7:59 AM

@PauloCereda actually yes. (although distracting but I take it that was your plan? :)

Harish Kumar

@cyanide-basedfood smart → Paulo, intelligent → egreg, David, Heiko...., Genius → same as previous, knowledgeable → see previous, and trained → me (to some extent). Hihi!

@cyanide-basedfood Regarding trained, I certainly trolled you ;-)

cyanide-based food

@HarishKumar :-)

Cheese nan and mutton chilli curry please...

Harish Kumar

@cyanide-basedfood Ah! It is lunch time here. You are welcome. Added menu is chicken 65. :-)

cyanide-based food

@HarishKumar Clove tea plus milk one glass please...

Harish Kumar

@cyanide-basedfood Clove tea? Try cardamom tea. It is very good.

cyanide-based food

8:14 AM

Chai tea maybe.

masala chai tea one glass please...

It is time to teach. See you!

Harish Kumar

@cyanide-basedfood chai means tea. So it is masala chai or masala tea. We have more varieties. Add lemon tea to the list. Have nice teaching time. In another 30 minutes I have a lab session too. See you.

@DavidCarlisle Hi. Got some free time?

@DavidCarlisle I will leave query anyway. When I install auctex 11.87.7 with emacs 24.3.1 on windoze, the syntax highlighting is gone for latex files even with empty .emacs file where as it works with auctex 11.86. Any guess?

cyanide-based food

8:35 AM

A nice article for today: chemteam.info/SigFigs/SigFigsFable.html

David Carlisle

8:47 AM

@HarishKumar not really:-) I have 11.86 apparently (default cygwin install) so haven't seen any problems so far.... Are you picking up auctex for .tex files, if you start with an empty tex file what does C-h m say?

Sean Allred

9:59 AM

@ChristianHupfer re claudio being an expert :) he's done wonders for the multilingual side of of TeX things

@cgnieder yep. :P

Hi @PauloCereda! :)

@SeanAllred 'ello!

By the way, I tried out powerline and got it working (at least in my shell)

Tried the Vim thing and I couldn't even figure out… anything

………at all

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred ah cool! :) I have it working on my laptop.

Sean Allred

10:01 AM

@PauloCereda How are you liking it?

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred It's nice so far. It has a visual appeal. But my workflow remains the same. :P

I wish I could be more productive with it. :P

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda with vim or powerline?

My impression was that powerline was just a compact set of visual indicators

I don't know how it could actually impact workflow.

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred The latter.

@SeanAllred It's quite original in the sense of being a tool to customize the appearance. :)

For example, I had the weather thingy going on. :P

@HarishKumar I'm not sure I am smarter than the average duck. :)

barznjy

@Torbjørn T.
The color is applied to the top of the poster, as I requested I need the color for the whole poster, top and bottom dark blue and gradually to the middle will be light blue.
Please see below my poster template:

\documentclass[a0,portrait]{a0poster}
\usepackage{multicol}
\columnsep=100pt
\columnseprule=3pt
%
%
\usepackage[svgnames]{xcolor}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usetikzlibrary{shadings}
%
%
%
\begin{document}
%
%
\begin{tikzpicture}[remember picture,overlay] \shade[top color=blue!50,bottom color=blue!20] (current page.west) rectangle (current page.north east);

Sean Allred

@PauloCereda Oh that's neat. I tried getting a weather thingy in emacs, but the best thing I could find was METAR info. Not exactly forecast-y. Of course, color customization in emacs has always been superb as long as I've been using it (24.2+) ;)

@PauloCereda but certainly you are.

Paulo Cereda

10:07 AM

@SeanAllred quack. :)

Christian Hupfer

@SeanAllred: Ah, I see, my chat question too or three days ago ;-)

Sean Allred

@ChristianHupfer Oh goodness, did I scroll that far back?

Actually, it might have been near one of the top-starred

@PauloCereda

Paulo Cereda

@SeanAllred Oh Sean. :P

I'm quite lucky, one day after I went to SP: g1.globo.com/sao-paulo/noticia/2014/08/…

Christian Hupfer

@SeanAllred: Obviously ;-)

@PauloCereda: Just scrolled back till last night... Eisbein?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Ja! :) It was very yummy! :)

Christian Hupfer

10:22 AM

@PauloCereda: You have German genes? :D

Paulo Cereda

Once in a while, we go to a German restaurant. :) I have a hard time every visit to the restaurant because I can't read the menu. :)

@ChristianHupfer Nope. :) I'm half Italian.

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Eisbein is on the red list of dangered menu species here in Germany :D

Paulo Cereda

One adventure there, my steak was drowning in Paprika with some potato thingy too. :)

@ChristianHupfer ooh!

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: I don't like it actually. To fat and it takes weeks to digest it :-(

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Really? Ours wasn't too fat. It was quite healthy (well, to some extent). :)

Christian Hupfer

10:25 AM

@PauloCereda: My father was a fan of Eisbein... I put it on the ban after his two heart attacks

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Oh my, sorry to hear. :(

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Well, he's quite well without it, even better :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer ;)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Well, I hope you enjoy German food anyway... I wonder how far I have to travel before I would come to some Brazilian restaurant around here... At least 100 or 150 km...

Paulo Cereda

The Eisbein came with Sauerkraut and some sautéed potatoes and bacon.

Christian Hupfer

10:30 AM

@PauloCereda: It's not getting better :-P Sauerkraut, oh my dear....

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Oh my! The problem is, Brazil is a country of continental proportions, and each region has its own unique tradition on food. For example, I'm not a big fan of food from the Northeast regions.

@ChristianHupfer Nah the last time we ate that was 2 months ago, so we are safe. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: The same is true for Germany (well, not that large in dimensions of course), but the cuisine is very structured into tasty/regional parts and some, that are not really tasty.

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: All Indian restaurants around here (yes, all three of them :D) serve North Indian food only... I have no idea, what South Indian food might be... perhaps more fish menu items?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I'm quite shy with gastrononimic adventures. :)

Christian Hupfer

10:37 AM

@PauloCereda: I recognize a younger version of myself in you :D I was very shy too, but at the age of 30, I was so tired of German food.... I began with Chinese/Indian/Mexican/Italian... a tremendous extension :D

I am off, coming back later on... see you

tohecz

Hi, someone speaks food? :)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz woooo

:)

tohecz

I had a good double kebab. Now I don't think I'll be able to work /looking for a coffee

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz I had coffee just now. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda I'll have some Czech coke :)

Paulo Cereda

10:49 AM

@tohecz :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda I usually have some with the lunch, too, but this kebab doesn't have it

Torbjørn T.

11:16 AM

@barznjy Run pdflatex twice.

Paulo Cereda

@PaulGessler: I just saw tex.stackexchange.com/questions/196960/… Would a nightingale rule be acceptable? :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I just sent you an email about nightingale but my broadband's a bit iffy and I'm not sure if it sent off properly. The copy in the sent mail folder is blank.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Hi Nicola! :) I saw your email, thank you very much. :) I'm writing a reply as we speak. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Glad it got through. My broadband keeps cutting out.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Oh no. :(

Nicola Talbot

11:21 AM

@PauloCereda It's a bit better today. Yesterday I had to keep resetting the router.

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot Ouch. ISP problems?

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda I'm not sure. It could just be that I live in a technological dead-spot! There's rarely any mobile phone reception here and occasionally we have brief power cuts that are just long enough to put all the clocks out of whack :-) It's either some eldritch phenomenon or the cables in the rural areas sometimes can't support the load.

Paul Gessler

@PauloCereda it is of course a possibility. :-) Feel free to write an answer if you like. But (and it's nothing against your tool, please understand) I tend to avoid java wherever other alternatives are available. :-)

barznjy

11:47 AM

@Torbjørn T. Thank you.
My mistake was choosing different compiler. I selected Latex+Bib(la)tex+LaTeX(x2)....
But now I changed to PdflaTex + View PDF and it is fine now

@Torbjørn T. But now I have a nother problem
PdflaTex + View PDF can't compiler eps pictures
what shall I do ?

Paulo Cereda

12:14 PM

@NicolaTalbot: you haz mailz. :)

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Just arrived in my inbox :-)

Paulo Cereda

12:47 PM

@NicolaTalbot: You just made me open Pandora's box. :) See email. :)

Paulo Cereda

1:06 PM

For the curious. :) ^^

Paul Gessler

@PauloCereda oo, dialog boxes! :-)

Paulo Cereda

@PaulGessler where?! :P

Nicola Talbot

@PauloCereda Oh cool!

1010011010

2:06 PM

Does anyone know some fancy reference questions + answers to fit unbreakable large equations on one line in a twocolumn layout?

Johannes_B

2:20 PM

@josepfwright Can you use your moderator foo and s/No need/You need/ in tex.stackexchange.com/questions/194672/… ?

tohecz

@1010011010 there's not many. There's just skill

and btw, your columns are just too narrow -- are you writing a newspaper?

1010011010

No, it's not a newspaper.

Where are you concluding from that the columns are too narrow?

I'm using: \usepackage[top=5.5cm, bottom=2.5cm, left=2.5cm, right=2.5cm]geometry}

Change to 2cm? then?

1 inch margins were always easy on the eye to me.

tohecz

@1010011010 you can't fit a camel into a needle's eye

what papersize? what fontsize?

1010011010

Papersize A4, fontsize is custom, I'm using a commercial font that's not originally inteded for TeX.

But it's hovering about 10pt.

tohecz

2:36 PM

ok, it seems that your column is only a bit narrower from what I do have

> 230.09766pt.
l.15 \showthe\columnwidth

> 172.5pt.
l.10 \showthe\columnwidth

1010011010

231.01561pt.
l.750 \showthe\columnwidth

Seems fine to me? :D

Guess I'll have to go with subvariables.

I was hoping for to retain some didactic clarity by explicitly subtituting.

tohecz

@1010011010 well, you can do better than I did and define $A(p,q,r) = \binom{}\binom{}$ (substitute the right stuff there). Then it should be easy to fit everyting in one line

Christian Hupfer

2:59 PM

Good MAEN again...

Torbjørn T.

@barznjy Try adding \usepackage{epstopdf}.

tohecz

@barznjy you need --shell-escape for the automatic conversion I think

Christian Hupfer

Does anybody know whether there is any package or class, that defines a \subdocument command? I don't mean \subfiles etc.

I want to introduce the command and don't want to get into a name conflict

Nicola Talbot

3:14 PM

@ChristianHupfer I just ran a find + grep on TL and the closest match it found is subdocs.sty which defines \subdocuments

Christian Hupfer

@NicolaTalbot: grep was my idea too ..., thanks

@NicolaTalbot: Well, subdocs package defines a command with a similar name but different purpose... I have to find a better term for my command.

Vrouvrou

3:49 PM

hello

Paulo Cereda

@Vrouvrou Aloha!

Vrouvrou

when i do \cite{.} i obtain a color green how to do in order to obtain an other color please

egreg

@Vrouvrou \hypersetup{citecolor=<whatever you want>}

Vrouvrou

thank youuuuuu

thak you

Johannes_B

4:07 PM

@DavidCarlisle If i start checking every user for same questions, i'll get paranoid. But i really dislike this behaviour. tex.stackexchange.com/questions/197204/…

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: What do you mean? The I use the close - hammer property of David? ;-)

@HarishKumar: If you consider yourself only as trained, there is not much classification left for the rest of us :-(

David Carlisle

4:27 PM

@ChristianHupfer that flipping hammer property is a pain, I would have preferred a close vote as a gentle reminder to the OP not to ask the same question repeatedly. Didn't notice the tag until it closed instantly, but I decided to let it remain

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: I did not criticize your vote or the hammer... I was just unsure Johannes was talking about...

moose

Hello everybody!

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer but still it's annoying, for a mod they have that power all the time so remembering to take care is easy but it's hard to remember to check the (initial prior to any edit) tags on a question before voting.

moose

I've just had a problem with \verb+...+ within beamer. The solution was to use 'fragile'.

Although there seem to be some questions like that, I think creating a (community wiki) reference question might be a good idea. What do you think about it?

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: I gave it up to search for duplicates immediately when doing First post reviews, but close voting is sometimes tedious, that's true. Cross-checking and remembering is laboursome

\begin{cooking}....right now...

moose

4:34 PM

@ChristianHupfer Guten Appetit!

David Carlisle

@moose must be a canonical q for that already i would guess (that's the main point of fragile as far as i can see)

moose

I did search for it, but I couldn't find one.

The only questions that came close to it were:
* http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/140719/verbatim-in-beamer-showing-error-file-ended-while-scanning-use-of-xverbatim/140723#140723
* http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/7062/making-verbatim-and-beamer-play-nice

But both of them seem to contain much more information that is not necessary.

David Carlisle

@moose yes was just searching as well nothing particularly clear....

@percusse @egreg consistent as ever: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/197224/…

moose

@DavidCarlisle So do you think it is ok to create a new reference question?

David Carlisle

@moose probably although my feeling for how this site works is still rather vague, I just assume it's the same as comp.text.tex but using http instead of nntp :-)

moose

4:53 PM

@DavidCarlisle Done: tex.stackexchange.com/q/197234/5645 . Could you make the question community wiki, too?

1010011010

Does something like this tex.stackexchange.com/a/197220/44160 also exist for titles?

Johannes_B

@ChristianHupfer @DavidCarlisle No, i meant posting the same (or nearly the same) question again after a few hours.

Nasser

experts: I think I found another bug in tex4ht. But before I post the question, I thought to ask something first. using tabular, does one need to include any package? it works without including any package on texlive2014. Now is the problem: I found tex4ht generates different output if I include tabularx (notice the x). Even thought I am using tabular in the code. Here is the code and the screen shot

\documentclass[12pt,notitlepage]{article}%
\usepackage{tabularx}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{|p{3in}|p{2.6in}|}\hline
\[
\left[ \begin {array}{cc}
0 & 1 \\
-25 & -4
\end {array}
\right]
\]
&
\\\hline
\end{tabular}
\end{document}

Notice the difference now in the result, when I just comment out the tabularx from the code:

The space between the columns in the table is lost ! This is when I simply include tabularx. (I have large common latex file where I load many packages, and over the years it filled up with things)

With pdflatex, I do not see this problem. This problem only shows up with tex4ht.

If you think I am not overlooking something obvious, I'd like to post this on main site if there is no objections.

egreg

@DavidCarlisle My favorite trick, after adding % at end of lines.

moose

5:17 PM

@Nasser What is htlatex?

Nasser

@moose program to convert latex to html. comes with texlive

moose

@Nasser Oh, nice. I didn't know that this existed. Do you know if htlatex converts formulas to (valid) MathML?

Nasser

@moose yes, htlatex can generate mathml also

David Carlisle

@moose it does a reasonable job, see also latexml

Juho

5:35 PM

I'm playing around with tikz mindmaps. I feel like I've seen a question relevant to my problem here, but I can't seem to find it...

I'm using texmaker, and in the preview there, the mindmap looks okay

however in the pdf produced, it doesn't

this is what it looks like

the upper screenshot is from the texmaker preview. the lower screenshot is from the pdf

For some reason, the edges are sort of cut off

Any ideas? :-)

tohecz

@Juho it's only a display problem and it should be fine in print

Juho

@tohecz Oh, but the thing is, this is actually for a presentation. So I'm not printing it, but showing the pdf. Or did you mean something else?

tohecz

@Juho that's what I meant. TikZ is precise, but the anti-aliasing is usually not, unfortunately

Juho

Okay, well that's too bad then :(

tohecz

5:51 PM

@Juho it knows to be a pain-in-the-ass. Well, can you try a different PDF viewer?

Juho

Oh, you are right. I can just "print it as pdf" from my pdf reader, and it's fixed...

yes, or that

tohecz

@Juho that knows to work too, re-processing the file with some tool

Juho

Right, cool. It's a bit silly, but I don't mind doing it

Thanks a lot! :)

tohecz

@Juho just make a comment in the file so that you remember how exactly you fixed it, and then do it only with the final version ;)

Juho

definitely!

Paulo Cereda

6:02 PM

My afternoon code is sponsored by Pepsi. Oh my.

David Carlisle

@Johannes_B yes I know:-)

Joseph Wright

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tohecz

@JosephWright I doesn't seem to mention LaTeX, therefore it is highly suspicious.

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Indeed

tohecz

@JosephWright I flagged it for you :)

Nasser

6:09 PM

I am getting more confused with tex4ht now. First let me ask: Does one need to include the array package to use array?

\documentclass[12pt,notitlepage]{article}%
%\usepackage{array}% ctan.org/pkg/array

\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{p{6in}}
\[
\left[ \begin {array}{cc}
                          0      &     1  \\
                         -25     &     -4
       \end {array}
\right]
\]
\end{tabular}
\end{document}

David Carlisle

@Nasser no

@JosephWright looks that way

moose

@JosephWright Yes, it does (-1)

Joseph Wright

@tohecz, @DavidCarlisle, @moose Thanks: I've taken action

tohecz

@JosephWright welcome :) I've got a +1 for it, one day, I'll be a Marshal :)

cgnieder

@PauloCereda :)

tohecz

6:12 PM

btw, a truly hot question from a partner site:

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Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder Out of curiosity, any tests so far? :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda hi there! finally got the FTP working :) tohe.wz.cz/215.html

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Hi Tom! How are you feeling today? :)

woooooo

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle Ok, then I found yet another bug in tex4ht. I do not know if it is related to the last one using tabulax, but same issue. Please see:

cgnieder

@PauloCereda not yet, unfortunately. Too much work...

tohecz

6:14 PM

@PauloCereda I had some chats with some people. I'm feeling better, but I know that I have to solve the issue somehow more boldly

Nasser

When I use array package, the spaces are also lost ! Just like when using the tabularx package

David Carlisle

@Nasser I'm not sure pure tex4ht questions are on topic, like mathjax questions, I think they are Ok while they relate to both but..

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder Same here. :) I just wrote a crazy directive for Nicola. :) That bird is surely very dangerous. :) i.stack.imgur.com/976Dc.png

@tohecz Oh my.

tohecz

@Paulo btw, I wrote to Miloš Rejchrt (he's the author of most of the songs I arranged). His reply is splendid

@PauloCereda something's wrong?

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Really? Awesome!

cgnieder

6:16 PM

@PauloCereda wow. I'm afraid what users will come up with :)

Nasser

@DavidCarlisle why are tikz questions are ok but not tex4ht? tikz takes latex code and generates images. tex4ht takes latex code and generates HTML.

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Nah. :) I think it's a big step. :)

tohecz

I could only badly translate his response, but he's very nice and humble, as always

David Carlisle

@tohecz I can badly translate lots of things

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Nasser

We need a tex4ht stackexchange site. It is hard to post images and edit things using mailing lists like here, and so there is no other place to post question on tex4ht if not here.

Paulo Cereda

6:18 PM

@cgnieder For no reason, this quote came to mind:

May 16 '12 at 17:53, by Torbjørn T.

"vim is a beautiful tool. Unfortunately, it is about as user-friendly as a radioactive crocodile."

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cgnieder

@PauloCereda lol

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda the quote gets more believable as it goes on

Joseph Wright

@Nasser This isn't a mailing list

David Carlisle

@JosephWright that's what he meant

tohecz

@Paulo :

Dear brother Tom,
We threw on Your escorts eye and I was pleased. And even if I was not, a few tunes that I poflikoval scattered up and perhaps committed for the benefit of the people and the Lord for his infinite benevolence certificate, consider grass-root property for unrestricted use.
Quenching of the author is unknown, I give honor a long time ago, when greeted "Honor work", I folded the protest.
Beautiful summer still wish
Miloš

Joseph Wright

6:20 PM

@Nasser tex4ht is really a subset tool of TeX (it's actually runs TeX behind-the-scenes, after all)

tohecz

(vivat google translate) /sarcasm

@JosephWright and not just once :p

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Also true

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz I'm having a bad time trying to understand it. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda I'm not surprised

David Carlisle

@JosephWright yes but if the problem's in the html rendering bit in the driver then it's really a black box tex to html convertor and not distinguishable at user level from latex2html or latexml (perl) or mathjax (javascript) tricky to draw a hard line:-)

Nasser

6:23 PM

if tex4ht questions are not allowed, then this should be made clear. The tex4ht tag should be deleted then. I think it is makes no sense to not allow tex4ht questions. It is the only tool we have to convert latex to html. Instead of supporting this, trying to push tex4ht away is not the right approach. For me, I would not even use latex if I can't convert it to HTML.

David Carlisle

@Nasser only?

Joseph Wright

@Nasser I don't recall anyone saying tex4ht was off-topic: can you point to this?

tohecz

@Paulo it should be more like: Dear Tom, I threw an eye on your arrangements and I was pleased. And even if I was not, the few tunes, that I put together or even committed /in a negative sense with a sarcasm/ for the people to use them and for our Lord to witness his everlasting benevolence, I consider to be a public domain for all to use. I wish you a yet nice summer, Miloš

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz ooh!

He's very kind.

tohecz

@PauloCereda indeed he is, and consider he's 40 years older than me

Joseph Wright

6:26 PM

@Nasser I think for new docs the 'standard' approach is not to use LaTeX as an input format, at least at a 'professional' level (STM publishers, etc.)

Paulo Cereda

@Joseph: I'm writing online stuff now using ReST and/or ASCIIDoc. :)

moose

@Nasser Why do you need to convert LaTeX documents to HTML?

Canageek

@PauloCereda

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Tweeted by Free_Radical1 on August 20, 2014 at 6:24 PM in reply to latimes

Paulo Cereda

@Canageek Oh my! :) I want that duck!

tohecz

6:44 PM

sage session saved, time to go home.

David Carlisle

7:05 PM

@JosephWright me three lines up:-)

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'd worked that out

@DavidCarlisle I think there is a difference between tex4ht and MathJax: one does involve TeX!

David Carlisle

@JosephWright true but as I say, from the outside the convertors (especially latex2html or latexml) look the same as tex4ht the fact that one uses tex internally is an implementation detail (although admittedly one that may affect whether questions are on topic here)

s__C

7:35 PM

Hi, in your opinion what's the best combination for math with Helvetica?

cgnieder

This is a nice way to put it:

I think part of your MWE got cut off: you need a \begin{document} and an \end{document}, with a little something in between. — Thérèse 2 mins ago

Johannes_B

@Elsterglanz Das war so ein richtiger Scheißtag heute.

^^^^Sorry for all the non-german speaking folks. But \today really was a bad day.

egreg

@Johannes_B I'm not German speaking, but that word is not really unknown. ;-)

Johannes_B

@egreg Thanks, you made me laugh :-)

egreg

7:52 PM

@Johannes_B I have some German friends; when we were kids, we shared some basic knowledge of our respective languages.

Johannes_B

@egreg I'd love to know some italian, but unfortunately ...

moose

@egreg And 'Scheißtag' is basic knowledge?

Johannes_B

@moose It should be ;-)

percusse

@s__C Helvetica and math doesn't go together in my opinion. Similar to Comic Sans, Helvetica is a very specific font for a very specific task. It is as abused as comic sans

egreg

@moose No, but I know that German joins words: Constantinopolitanischerdudesackspfeifenmachersgesellschafft

percusse

7:56 PM

Because it is so precise, any kind of non-Helvetica just screams out.

egreg

Mekkamuselmannenmassenmenchenmördermohrenmuttermarmormonumentenmacher

Johannes_B

@egreg I hope i never meet this guy

percusse

@egreg Having a broken space bar should not count in this competition.

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egreg

@Johannes_B When I introduce mathematical logic, I present some problems about language; so I write касса on the blackboard. The students are usually perplexed. ;-)

moose

@egreg Haha, ok :-) The longest word I have ever read in a book was "Brandrodungswanderhackfeldbau" (Brandrodungs-wander-hackfeldbau)

egreg

8:00 PM

@percusse Shame on you! You know neither the TeXbook nor Mark Twain!

percusse

@egreg :) I knew it. But still, I have problems with authority.

Johannes_B

Know what pain is? Hasselhoff's Looking for freedom and not getting the player in time to play the next song.

Or having this song on an mp3 player in the first place

moose

To understand egreg, see 'The Aweful German language', e.g.:

Some German words are so long that they have a perspective. Observe
these examples:
Freundschaftsbezeigungen.
Dilettantenaufdringlichkeiten.
Stadtverordnetenversammlungen.

These things are not words, they are alphabetical processions.

Generalstaatsverordnetenversammlungen.
Alterthumswissenschaften.
Kinderbewahrungsanstalten.
Unabhaengigkeitserklaerungen.
Wiedererstellungbestrebungen.
Waffenstillstandsunterhandlungen.

Of course when one of these grand mountain ranges goes stretching across

Paulo Cereda

@egreg, @Johannes: It's like Joyce saying B words. :) ^^

percusse

@moose One brave soul will arrive and place a whitespace in between there. You just wait. Grammar never won against convenience.

Paulo Cereda

8:05 PM

@percusse tru dat.

cgnieder

@Johannes_B that's not pain: that's masochism :p

moose

@percusse Being able to make those expressive words seems pretty convenient to me :-)

@PauloCereda I don't understand this.

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda I have a phobia concerning syringes

percusse

@moose It doesn't take away the meaning if you have a space in between

Johannes_B

Makes me want to jump out of a window

^^ same with LaTeX templates

Paulo Cereda

8:08 PM

@Johannes_B Uh-oh. :(

Johannes_B

Btw, if anyone can review this tex.stackexchange.com/questions/180579/… I am still running TL13

Paulo Cereda

@moose Johannes said Scheißtag, and it reminded of this cartoon character named Joyce who doesn't swear at any circumstances. That's all. :)

moose

@PauloCereda Ok. By the way, is there a name for people who don't swear at any circumstance? Something like opposite tourette syndrom?

Johannes_B

@PauloCereda Were i was born, people really speak like that. But this is just a small piece of Germany

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@moose Nice peopple? :-)

cgnieder

@percusse having the space or not can change the meaning:

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Johannes_B

8:14 PM

@cgnieder Did you see golatex.de/viewtopic,p,63146.html#63146 ?

percusse

@cgnieder So?

Johannes_B

@cgnieder The whole thing is really annoying me.

percusse

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Johannes_B

@percusse :-D

@percusse Thanks

cgnieder

@Johannes_B I didn't. What's annoying? The fact that noone answered I presume

@percusse :)

@percusse I was just looking for an opportunity to post the picture :)

percusse

8:16 PM

@cgnieder Likewise :D

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder das dog!

Johannes_B

@cgnieder noone reads the wichtige Hinweise (important things)

cgnieder

@Johannes_B I know... and I don't think that's going to change. It's the same in every forum... (I only read TeX.sx' FAQ for the badge :p)

@PauloCereda the hund?

Paulo Cereda

@cgnieder ooh that's advanced German. :)

cgnieder

@Johannes_B I think they're actually quite good but since I know already what you've written there it's hard to be certain

Christian Hupfer

8:30 PM

Back ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer What was the exit code of cooking? :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: \addtocontents{mystomach}{very taste food} \end{cooking} :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Ah, so exit code was 0. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: There were no complaints by the OS (= my fiancée) ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer LOL

Christian Hupfer

8:36 PM

@PauloCereda: She is the baker, I am the cook, a fine division of labour ...

@PauloCereda: das dog? ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Yep. :) Two dogs would be ein ein dog. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Interesting grammar ;-)

@PauloCereda: I am sure, many Germans don't know it better ...

@PauloCereda: Komma bei de Oma ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Ich spreche Deutsche. :) Und heute trinke ich Wasser. Das Hund ist rot. :)

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Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: That's more German than I know of Portuguese.... Ah, lua -- moon, correct?

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Great! :) That's correct. :)

Christian Hupfer

8:44 PM

@PauloCereda: Selecao ... sorry, I don't have that c - cedille character on my keyboard mapping

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Seleçao ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Now add ã. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: 10 secs for activating the Portuguese mapping and 5 min. to find ç :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer :)

Christian Hupfer

8:49 PM

@PauloCereda: I don't know how to do that tilde thingy

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer If it's an ABNT layout, ~ + a will do the trick. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: No... I have to find ~ first :D

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer LOL

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: I order the Portuguese language to drop any strange character immediately ...

@PauloCereda: Take the German language for example... no strange characters, no strange pronounciation .... irony

moose

@ChristianHupfer Which German word contains the most ä, ö, ü, and ß in any variation?

@ChristianHupfer verhältnismäßig wenige Sonderzeichen, hmm :-)

Christian Hupfer

9:04 PM

@moose: Ironie ;-)

moose

@ChristianHupfer I've noticed that. But what do you mean with strange pronunciation?

Christian Hupfer

@moose: Dehnungs-h, ie, difficult for foreigners

@moose: DIphtongs such as au, eu , äu ... not strange for German speakers, of course

moose

@ChristianHupfer Ok. (A month or so ago an american co-worker wanted to know what the German word for 'kidnapping' is. I tried to tell him how to pronounce 'Entführung' ... he had a hard time with that.)

1010011010

I want to force a \left and \right without using an initial delimiter.

How can I omit this warning?

Missing delimiter (. inserted).
<to be read again>
                   -
l.1912 &\quad\left-

moose

I think I should spend some time outside before the day is over. Goodbye everybody!

1010011010

9:11 PM

Does \left. do anything? (With a dot .?)

Visually, I mean.

Christian Hupfer

@moose: I can imagine that... I know such pronounciation problems with the guests on my previous institute ...

@moose: Goodbye

cgnieder

@1010011010 that's not a warning, it's an error

@1010011010 no

1010011010

Thanks. I'll use the dot I guess.

Christian Hupfer

@1010011010: There is on trick to prevent it, but I can't remember right now

cgnieder

@1010011010 it balances a \right<delim>

@1010011010 this is what should be used as invisible delimiter for \left and \right

1010011010

9:14 PM

Yeah, that's exactly what I was looking for

I want to use big delimiters in a broken equation.

It's perfect.

Thanks.

cgnieder

But most times it can be avoided using the right \big... commands

1010011010

Never change a winning team I'd say. When I find myself in a situation where e.g. \left. has a drawback vs. \big, I'll use \big. ;-)

Christian Hupfer

@1010011010: Yes, it's the dot trick... you're using it already

cgnieder

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Q: How to make \left, \right pairs of delimiter work over multiple lines?

I have a very long equation that must be separated into two lines, and it has several pairs of nesting \left \right delimiters. Unfortunately, it seems that they need to be on the same line in order for them to work. Also I'm using the align environment because I need the aligning functionality....

math-mode

1010011010

Nice. I favourited that. :-)

cgnieder

9:19 PM

@1010011010 \left and \right have drawbacks and should be used with care. There are a number of questions on this, see for example tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2607/… or tex.stackexchange.com/questions/102157/sloppy-left-and-right

Harish Kumar

10:10 PM

@ChristianHupfer Trained can be many in number, if you like. ;-) In fact with trained, I was trolling. :-)

Harish Kumar

11:58 PM

@DavidCarlisle With 11.86, things work fine for me. But with 11.87.7 auctex doesn't pick .tex files at all.

@PauloCereda Paulo, you are young, dynamic,..... to be called smart :-)

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