@PauloCereda Aren't you getting underful vboxes (badness 10000) why output is active?
you want some stretch in the inter-verse space, I would suggest simply using \medskipamount and maybe redefining it to your liking than setting \parskip manually. Or you can just set \parskip to semething like 2ex plus 0.4ex minus 0.2ex
@DavidCarlisle -- i'm afraid they'd classify that in the same category as wedding invitations. the blocks in plane 1 that contain fraktur are entitled "mathematical alphanumerics" ... for use as single symbols only. (i've been brainwashed, you see.)
@PauloCereda You've got to love "Annoy the hell out of the Unicode Technical Committee!" as a headline feature in a software release note.
@barbarabeeton talking of brainwashing and single symbols what's your view on the bold or italic math alphabets \mathbf{Hom} for example is typically set in a bold text font with kerns and ligatures as needed, unicode-math currently takes the view that that should be Hom in the bold math alphabet block but math fonts (eg stix) don't seem to set that as for multi letter words?
@DavidCarlisle -- a slippery area. my own take on this is that \Hom should be treated as an operator, and thus equivalent to \textbf. (that's a weasel, isn't it?) i've actually seen quite a few operators set in fraktur, and we really don't have a fraktur text alphabet/font. but mathematicians will do what they darn well please, and the devil, er, the publisher's editorial staff, take the hindmost.
@DavidCarlisle -- oh joy, oh rapture. i wonder if anyone from the utc has actually seen this ... probably not, although i'd not likely hear about it if they did.
@DavidCarlisle -- true, but under the covers, \mathrm is actually the same font as used for \textrm. similarly, \mathbf and \textbf. for script, seems that the built-in math (italic) corrections would have to be compensated for manually. eeek!
@barbarabeeton not with unicode-math it isn't :-) it uses the text font (in text mode) for \textrm and the plane 1 roman math alphabet for \mathrm, so it makes a big difference
@DavidCarlisle -- i think i don't understand. unicode doesn't put the lightface latin alphabet into the math alphanumerics; it's allocated to the "normal" plane 0 block (pretty much the ascii subarea). but that's not the same as unicode-math, i infer?
@DavidCarlisle -- i think unicode thinks that kerning is somebody else's concern. (ask murray.)
@DavidCarlisle -- where, pray, is the plane 1 roman math alphabet? i don't see it. there's lightface sans and monospace, but no lightface roman. (the block starts with bold roman, then goes on to lightface italic, then bold italic, then into the woods.)
@egreg probably, I couldn't find it (and needed to say, listings annoys the hell out of me, but seems to be "the best out there"). There's a second listings question coming in couple minutes.
ah I just see that it would be a dupe as well, but this time, the answer is: there's no solution because listings suck. and I just fakin wanna have my inline listings get a background, too.
@Werner give me your credentials and I can click it for you ;)
@egreg Czech Kralická Bible has that as well, which suggests that the original was like that since KralitΕ‘tí were translating directly from original (as opposed to translating from Vulgata, which was popular back then).
I want to show a JSON object in my document. If I do the following, it works:
\begin{lstlisting}
{
"id": "5",
"key": "discardedCard"
}
\end{lstlisting}
But if I extend the code to the following, then there are only errors when compiling the document:
\begin{lstlisting}
{
"id": "5",
"k...
How should I deal with the following problem: I want to place a table in two-column layout, and as it often happens, it is to wide to be placed here. Any suggestions?
@mikeonly \begin{table*}WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEETABLEEEEEEEEE\end{table*} be advised that it will always slip to the next page
@Joseph What is our policy if I have an answer to a poorly stated question that is closed as TL? Should I edit the question, reopen it and answer it, or rather make a new self-answered question? I speak about this one (same as above): tex.stackexchange.com/questions/100717/…
I take back what I said, I don't seem to have an answer :(
@mikeonly in what sense? If the table is too wide, then it's too wide and you can't really "squeeze it". You can re-format it in a better way (linebreak headers and cells with long texts etc.).
(1) utf8 support doesn't really work in pdflatex (I use \immediate\write18{iconv...} to recode the files in an 8-bit encoding), (2) all babel shorthands have to be switched off.
there isn't a problem with the rules really if you print or zoom in they are all there, some pdf viewers are better than others at showing them.
If it bothers you that they come and go in a viewer one option is not to use them
they don't really add a lot to the understanding of the table reall...
... there are a gazillion other questions that ask the same thing, which then points to a viewer-dependent problem, not (La)TeX...
@Werner nah if I was after the points I'd have answered Johannes w3c question:-). I don't know really, of course lines and colortbl have been asked before, as has captioning in non floats and making a table fit a page, but that's all three and the OP didn't realise that after having looked so just closing the question as a dup unanswered doesn't really help
@Werner 90% of the questions asked have been asked before here or on c.t.t or are about tikz do we really want to close all non-tikz questions immediately?
@JosephWright Indeed. And with anything here when you deal with people (on any side, asking questions, posting answers, moderating, voting, ...) you'll have some form of subjectivity...
...where I may find something a clear duplicate, others may consider it not as clear, and vice versa.
@JosephWright but it is harder for the OP to tag correctly, if you are asking on SO about perl and tag it perl that works well enough but asking here about some kind of line drawing and think tikz might be useful it gets tagged tikz, that doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't answer with pstricks or picture or \includegraphics for that matter.
$ biber ff527
INFO - This is Biber 1.5
INFO - Logfile is 'ff527.blg'
INFO - Reading 'ff527.bcf'
WARN - Warning: Found biblatex control file version 2.6, expected version 2.3
INFO - Using all citekeys in bib section 0
Use of uninitialized value $llabel in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14/Biber.pm line 664.
Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14/Biber/SortLists.pm line 77.
INFO - Processing section 0
INFO - Looking for bibtex format file 'test.bib' for section 0
@Canageek No worries. :) To be completely honest with you, apart from PC, Microsoft has a great gaming system. If I tell what Nintendo Brazil told me last week. :P
@Canageek what version of perl do you have, I'm using whatever came on the system but it doesn't seem to like the biber perl sources, looking at the above.
@PauloCereda I built myself a gaming PC a year ago. Cost more then a Xbone, but only about double. Could have done it for less if I'd not made any newbie mistakes. Course, I also scavanged more then a few parts.
@Canageek How nice. I'm usually reluctant with a gaming PC, and I don't know the status of Steam for Linux. But if I weren't a gaming console fan, I'd go 100% for a PC. :)
hm the 19 of the article date isn't in the bbl file at all :( \field{month}{02} \field{year}{2015} \field{urlday}{03} \field{urlmonth}{03} \field{urlyear}{2015}
@mikeonly what kind of work? Tables are only a small part of what you typeset. It knows to be a bit painful in LaTeX, but in the end, if you know your tools, the time spent on it is not much larger than with "sheet table processors"
@yo' I am just too scared of LaTeX. As of nothing else. I really like it, but it takes too long to make something work at the beginning. Moreover, I cannot now use any other publication tool like Word.
@mikeonly I think that there is a reason to be a bit worried (I would not say scared) and to realize that LaTeX is not an exactly easy tool. It should make you read some good book on the system because you get all the bad habits people have :)
@yo' And also, why there haven't been any major update or generalizations of packages and language itself since 2005 or 2000? A lot of documentations are from previous millennium. It isn't bad, though why can't booktabs be merged with say tabularx to have tables both well sized and lined?
@mikeonly well i wrote tabularx and didn't write booktabs, so who's going to do the merge and how's it going to work and in what way would it be different from loading both packages?
@mikeonly and remember documents that were written in 1995 are supposed to still work today, which is a massive constraint on changing existing packages.
@DavidCarlisle We need to sort the style sheet business: I'm hoping you'll make TUG2015 as I would like to talk about it with you/Bruno/Frank/(Will: don't think he's coming)
@yo' I mean a single implementation that can cover all of the requirements: as @DavidCarlisle says, HTML manages a lot of this
@mikeonly why would you merge two packages that do something completely different and not necessarily related? I'm more surprised that for instance tabularx doesn't load array automatically, since my every single use of tabularx uses > as well.
@yo' I guess the point is really tables should have a set of formatting options which auto-apply, so for a 'formal' table the rules should 'just happen' (with mark up for header/body of table only)
@DavidCarlisle Yes I have. However, I just ran an update via tlmgr update --self --all --reinstall-forcibly-removed, which tried to update minitoc as well...
...and it failed. So, I thought it may have just been a bad connection momentarily...
@JosephWright :-) LaTeX3 has some nice tools. This would use some externalization though, because processing of large tables knows to be time consuming. But maybe I'm over-worried.
@yo' no I had to use \newbox in the end (I'd used 8 already the line above... also there was an earlier change last year that I never pushed to ctan (to make it work with the latex2e font setup rather than assume latex2.09....)
@Werner No I just changed a couple of lines so that if you use it in latex2e with amsmath you have greater than 0 chance of getting to the end of the document without error.
@mikeonly well, it's a part time for the university where I do my PhD, so it's more complicated than that. I'm also a LaTeX class designer, for that sake.
@yo' Several questions, if you don't mind. Who is class designer? And how much do you want to change in LaTeX to make your work even more pleasant for you?
@mikeonly but any published book or article by a "normal publisher" rather than author typeset publishing routes, involves a human editor looking at every linebreak every table, every page break and taking a conscious decision to accept it or not. For some things you want the automated process to be as good as possible because the process is fully automatic and it has to go straight to print with no human intervention, but most traditional publishing is not like that at all.
@mikeonly class designer is the person they call and say: "Hey you, we've got this new journal and it has got no LaTeX class, would you like to create one?" And you come and create it. It's a mixture of LaTeX coding and graphic design.
if I wanna change something in LaTeX? Yes, surely, but it's all minor things. I would like to change the article authors so that they use LaTeX properly -- that would save me a lot of troubles.
@DavidCarlisle Yes, I do realize that, but I am particularly interested in LaTeX editors in publishing companies. Following the metaphor, they are people who know what combination of boots they should wear to walk properly.
@mikeonly yes. I'm "paid by page", and to make it at least somehow worth it, I have to spend about 15 minutes on one page. But including all the mails around it, issue preparation, dealing with problems with the printer etc.
This means that I developed a very special workout that would seem ridiculous, wrong and crazy to many, but it works to me. Also, since I'm the last person to touch the code, I can be really dirty and naughty, since nobody will notice. When the authors are dirt and naughty, I call them names, though.
@mikeonly I'm afraid I can't. To me, it all came with time. I started using LaTeX when I was 13, which is almost 15 years ago, and I have done a lot of various stuff in it, since it's been my hobby ever since.
@mikeonly Do. if you're 17, you've got a lot of free time in your hands (you won't agree now, but that doesn't matter). Go and read some good books about LaTeX, carefully from the beginning to the end. It will save you a lot, trust me.
@yo' Ok, I know it's a conventional way of learning, but languages like Wolfram Mathematica, Python, CSS and this stuff have been learnt just by coding on them without reading some comprehensive tutorials. That's why I am annoyed by LaTeX as it takes too long to grasp the idea myself. :(
the system in the Czech republic is that you have two schools (basic, high) and three levels (first 5 years, second 4 years, college 4years), so you transition either at the begnning of second level (after grade 5), in the middle (after grade 7) or in the end (after grade 9). I made it at the beginning, and I got into a math college
@mikeonly because the idea of typesetting is different. See HTML: You can't have just HTML, you need also CSS3 (Turing-complete itself, yet called "style sheet"), often JavaScript, XSLT, PHP, SQL, ...
LaTeX tries to cover at least the part "HTML + CSS + PHP" in one language. So in the end, it is really powerful. The price to pay is that it's one-of-its-kind language with a long learning curve.
just a remark: the fact that the second title is "Using LaTeX to Write a PhD Thesis" shouldn't matter too much. It's really useful for any type of document. The title mostly means "using LaTeX to write your first really big document".
And also, in the meantime, I recommend learning TikZ (can be done mostly by trial-and-error method).
@mikeonly Antykwa ToruΕska is IMHO a nice and well-readable font, both print and screen. This is not true for many fonts. It's partly because of its good design (IMHO) and partly for instance because it's a semi-serif.
I want to show a JSON object in my document. If I do the following, it works:
\begin{lstlisting}
{
"id": "5",
"key": "discardedCard"
}
\end{lstlisting}
But if I extend the code to the following, then there are only errors when compiling the document:
\begin{lstlisting}
{
"id": "5",
"k...
there isn't a problem with the rules really if you print or zoom in they are all there, some pdf viewers are better than others at showing them.
If it bothers you that they come and go in a viewer one option is not to use them
they don't really add a lot to the understanding of the table reall...
