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7:01 PM
@tohecz Ooh! I didn't know. Is pdftex the same executable as tex, just using different options based on contents of arv[0], the name of the program entered?
 
@AndrewCashner well, the're all clones of pdflatex AFAIK actually
 
@AndrewCashner system cannot find path specified. (I typed in exactly what you wrote)
 
@Nick you just typed tex in the terminal and hit enter?
 
@AndrewCashner I typed in tex and then that code you gave me.
@AndrewCashner This code doesn't work for me.
 
@Nick did you type \relax first?
 
7:08 PM
um... yeah, let me try again
 
@Nick or just save it in a .tex file
@Nick TeX was looking for a file name to process. \relax tells it not to do anything.
 
@AndrewCashner nope I typed it out. Output written textput.dvi (1 page, 1864 bytes)
 
@Nick Okay, now you can convert to postscript with dvips and then to pdf with ps2pdf.
 
Ola!
 
@AndrewCashner Do I just type in dvips texput && ps2pdf texput.ps
@Iplodman Ola senor!
 
7:13 PM
@Nick that should do it
 
@Nick Tudo bom?
 
@Nick or as two separate commands (dvips doesn't need the file extension but ps2pdf does for some reason)
 
(I'm learning Brazil Portuguese, and I'm not doing too well :L)
 
@AndrewCashner dvips: DVI file can't be opened , textput: No such file or directory.
 
@Iplodman @PauloCereda will be pleased to hear that :)
 
7:16 PM
@tohecz Is @PauloCereda lucky enough to come from Brazil?
 
@Iplodman Actually, for people, go with Tudo bem? instead. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh yeah? What's the differences? :)
 
@Nick Sorry I made your life harder. Try saving what I typed as a file helloloop.tex and then just run pdflatex hello. You should see 100 hellos.
 
Do I use Tudo bom for talking to my pet rock?
 
well, friends, gotta go, see you some time :)
 
7:18 PM
(I don't actually have a pet rock ;P)
@tohecz Cya!
 
@Nick Ack - sorry, you have to run pdftex since this is TeX syntax not LaTeX. Oh my simple tutorial is ruined.
 
Anyone know if the xkcd book is any good?
 
@Iplodman I'll know on 11th of December (that's when I'll reach mine which en route to Prague now from the UK while I'm in Paris)
 
@tohecz Whadda' you mean?
 
@Iplodman I'm in Paris until 11th of December, and the book is being deliviered from the UK to Prague.
 
7:23 PM
@tohecz Ooooh!
Have a night trip! ;P
 
@Iplodman wha? now way :D
 
@Nick A better place to learn about TeX as programming language: texdoc texbytopic to read the book "TeX by Topic" available through the TeX distribution's documentation system. But if you're new better to learn LaTeX first texdoc lshort if you haven't already.
 
I meant nice ;)
Somehow I spelled night ;-;
 
@Iplodman well, I live in both cities moreorless
 
@Iplodman Oh quite complicated to explain. :) Let me try: bem e mal (good and evil) and bom e mau (good and bad). It depends on the emphasis. If you want to say about the way, the implicit verb is ir or estar, you go with bem (modal adverb). If you want to say about state, then the implicit verb is estar, you go with bom (adjective). :)
 
7:26 PM
@PauloCereda In Czech, you use dobro a zlo, i.e. neither dobrý a zlý or dobré a zlé (adjectives) nor dobře a špatně (adverbs)
 
@tohecz ooh I want to learn Czech! :)
 
@PauloCereda start by strč prst skrz krk and kmotře Petře, nepřepepři toho vepře :)
gotta go. Spoiler: dobro a zlo are the nouns ;)
 
@Nick Just looked back at your comment with the error message. The file name was supposed to be texput not textput.
 
@tohecz O.o
 
@tohecz Is r a vowel? Or does it imply an unwritten one??
 
7:31 PM
@AndrewCashner r is a consonant that knows to roleplay :)
 
@AndrewCashner I believe some vowels are introduced to get rid of ambiguity. :)
@tohecz LOL I want you as my Czech teacher.
 
@PauloCereda :)
bye
 
@tohecz See ya, Tom!
 
@PauloCereda perhaps your macro expander could help supply the lack of vowels
@tohecz Take care
 
@AndrewCashner Ouch, don't mention it. :) It's getting even more complicated. :)
\! define (\@ \wsum(\#x#\,\#y#\)w\ =
\w\q check condition (\$\% is zero (\&\*x*\&\) %\$\,
\$\;y;\$\, \$\% increment (\*\| sum (
\&\g decrement (\j\ixi\j\) g\&\, \&\iyi\&\
) |\*\) %\$\) q\w\@\) !\
4 + 3 = \@ sum ( \%4%\, \%3%\ ) @\
 
7:35 PM
@PauloCereda I'm too new for this! :P
 
gives you
4 + 3 = 7
 
@PauloCereda what language is this, or is it your own?
 
@Iplodman Don't worry, it's easy. :) Sorry to ask, any particular reason to learn Brazilian Portuguese? :)
@AndrewCashner My own.
:)
I defined a couple of primitives, then built higher functions on top of those. :)
 
@PauloCereda I'm just a hobbyist programmer foolhardily trying to work through "Fundamentals of Data Structures in C". Music scholar and performer (mostly church music now) by trade.
@PauloCereda So how do you write your own language? Do you have to write a compiler in another language first?
 
@PauloCereda I have a friend (@PatrickBassut) who's Brazilian. I want ot be able to talk to him in his mother tongue!
 
7:41 PM
@AndrewCashner tex is Knuth's TeX, most other things are pdfTeX (latex, etex, pdftex, pdflatex)
 
@AndrewCashner How nice! :) A fellow musician! @tohecz and I play in church too, @JosephWright plays the clarinet, @percusse is a great drummer, and @David's son loves playing the trombone to daddy's delight. :)
 
@JosephWright Thanks!
@Paulo fantastic. I play piano and organ and sing. Also compose some, though not much since I've been doing PhD.
 
@AndrewCashner There are some steps, like writing a grammar, but the basic idea is indeed to write a compiler. :)
@Iplodman How nice! You'll get on track very quickly, Portuguese is an interesting language.
 
@PauloCereda i was just told that the verb changes because of the person that follows it.
Impar.
 
@AndrewCashner Awesome! Is any composition of yours available online for us to take a look? :)
@Iplodman Hm?
 
7:45 PM
@PauloCereda andrewcashner.com/performance.html has two, audio only. But am happy to share scores. Right now I am mostly transcribing Mexican villancicos of the 17th century using Lilypond.
 
@PauloCereda Nevermind ;P
 
@AndrewCashner Wow, impressive! Very nice compositions!
@Andrew: ooh Lilypond, I always fail to use it. :)
@Iplodman :(
@Iplodman: we have a lot of conjugation patterns. :)
 
@PauloCereda As in: Eu tenho vs Voce tem.
 
@PauloCereda That is the only way to use Lilypond! ;) It has about the worst user interface I could imagine.
@PauloCereda Thanks, sincerely.
 
@Iplodman Eu tenho, tu tens, você tem, ele tem, nós temos, vós tendes, eles têm.
 
7:50 PM
@PauloCereda Sim, que.
 
@Iplodman :)
 
;P
 
@PauloCereda For example, this is necessary to enter a two-line instrument name using the command `\TwoLineName #"SOPRANO" #"(solo)"`:
TwoLineName =
#(define-scheme-function
(parser location first second) (scheme? scheme?)
#{
\markup { \center-column {
\line { $first } \line { $second } } }
#})
@PauloCereda But I am very grateful for a free notation tool that produces very nice looking output, despite the frustrations.
 
@AndrewCashner Oh my, Lisp-like!
@AndrewCashner Agreed, the output is simply beautiful.
 
@PauloCereda It's written in C++ but uses Scheme as the extension language. But as user, you use Lilypond syntax, which the program translates into Scheme, and then feeds to the C++ engine.
 
7:54 PM
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@AndrewCashner Interesting.
@Andrew: I once used Frescobaldi, but most of my work with Lilypond is through vim.
 
@PauloCereda Me too.
@PauloCereda About vim. haven't tried Frescobaldi.
 
@PauloCereda Me whenever Python raises an error over something that should have worked.
 
8:07 PM
@Nick save it in a file and run pdftex (not pdflatex) on it. It's just a tex document.
 
8:23 PM
See you all later. My work needs someone to do it.
 
Anyone with TeX Live + Ubuntu experience?
@Werner: Yes, i have already mentioned that i am using TexLive alongwith TexMaker Editor. I have already tried to run the command mentioned by you but it says No command 'tlmgr'skm 2 mins ago
 
8:55 PM
@cgnieder: Danke ;-)
 
9:12 PM
@ChristianHupfer You're welcome :) What for?
 
@cgnieder: FB ;-) Your are my 2^5 th FB buddy :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Ah, right :) I've lost count
Apparently 135 o.O
 
@cgnieder: 103 more than me :-(((((
 
Anyone here got a Twitter? ;P
I'd ask about Facebook but I don't use it :L
 
@ChristianHupfer the list is grown over the years...
@Iplodman I have a list: twitter.com/cgnieder/lists/tex-friends :)
 
9:17 PM
@Iplodman: I was in a talk this afternoon and the orator said, that FB is on the decline, regarding the user online time....Whatsapp is the new FB ... well, predominantly without faces ;-)
 
@cgnieder I didn't even know that's a thing! Very nice c:
@ChristianHupfer I use Telegraph :)
 
@ChristianHupfer but since fb owns WhatsApp... same family different room
 
@cgnieder: I started in August 2012.... and I am very selective regarding buddies
@cgnieder: Well, incidentally, this was mentioned too, but the 'decline' started before FB aquired Whatsapp...
@Iplodman: I thought you would use a thread and two tin boxes :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer It's an app ;P
 
@ChristianHupfer I started with friends I only know in my offline life, too, but I dismissed that policy soon enough: some of my “friends” are musicians and politicians – from the time when there were no fan pages...
 
9:20 PM
I also use a carrier pigeon, a series of blinking lights, and the enigma code.
 
@Iplodman :)
 
@cgnieder: Well, most of my buddies are former pupils of mine... :D
@Iplodman: enigma code ... I hope, you can carry the enigma typewriter :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Yep. I also have a spare Alan Turing for if I ever forget the code.
The second generation is good, but the UI is too complex! ;)
 
@Werner Is it TeXLive2014 from TUG or the Debian package texlive (which should be called deb-texlive-minus-two-years or something like that)? If it's the Deb package, then there's no tlmgr installed.
 
@DavidCarlisle What do you mean?
 
9:24 PM
@DavidCarlisle: Bletchley Park Guys or how were they called? ;-)
 
@Iplodman I meant enigma isn't a safe way to pass secrets:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I know ;P
 
@ChristianHupfer yep (just down the road from here)
 
@DavidCarlisle: Is that in Oxford? I thought it's a Street/Park in London?
 
@ChristianHupfer no it's milton keynes 40 minutes drive to the east of here
 
9:27 PM
@Werner Took me a minute to find what you were referring to. Obviously you know about Debian packaging, sorry.
 
@DavidCarlisle: Ok ... it's common sense, to be safe from German air raids at that time, most probably?
 
@ChristianHupfer I'm 30Km or so north of Oxford
@ChristianHupfer yes Milton Keynes was a post war "new town" so at the time it was middle of nowhere
 
@DavidCarlisle: I always thought you live in Oxford ...
 
@ChristianHupfer well I work in Oxford but i live out in a village (<200 houses, no street lights or shop...)
 
@Werner I left a comment there. It is the classic texlive vs. TeXLive problem and I wish it would go away! I love Debian otherwise but I think their packaging of LaTeX is mistaken.
 
9:38 PM
@DavidCarlisle: I know villages with less than 20 houses ;-)
 
Woo, my email client works! :)
 
@ChristianHupfer was still a bit of a shock as I'd lived in (greater) manchester for the 20 years previously to moving here;-)
@Iplodman you wrote an email client, or you just mean you can send email?
 
@DavidCarlisle I wrote one :P
 
@Iplodman: A new thunderbird? ;-)
@DavidCarlisle: Come on, those five houses more in Manchester compared to your village do not count ;-)
 
I'm too young to get a Thunderbirds reference :c
 
9:51 PM
@Iplodman does it have as many features as echo hello | mail -s "zz" a@b
 
Nope.
It's a user-friendly console client ;P
For teh newbs.
 
@Iplodman make the client launch vim to edit the message, then see how long it takes them to type anything or quit the editor to send,
 
TigaMail starting...

Welcome to TigaMail Beta, the email client!
For help: help|?

TigaMail: connect
  ~ Server connected.
TigaMail: login
  ~ Your email: iplodman@gmail.com
  ~ Password: some_password
TigaMail: sendmail
  ~ Recipient's email: iplodman@gmail.com
  ~ Subject: Test!
  ~ Body: This is a test.
  ~ Email sent.
@DavidCarlisle Ahaha xD
 
@Iplodman wow you have a private email client and send messages with it to yourself. Is that's what's meant by "social netwoks" ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle ;)
I'll add a feature where people can register with my personal domain's email.
It still needs finishing.
 
9:58 PM
@AndrewCashner LilyPond! :)
 
@AndrewCashner I don't know anything about it... honestly.
 
@ChristianHupfer for @Paulo, all villages like Paris or London are negligible ;)
@AndrewCashner I set all my music in LilyPond. It's much more painful than LaTeX, but that's mostly because I don't speak LISP.
 
@tohecz: :D
@tohecz: By the way, I was in bar today and they served "Kustovice" beer. (If I remember it correctly)
 
@ChristianHupfer Krušovice probably. Light or dark?
 
@tohecz: Yes, sorry, Krusovice (sorry, can't do the diacritics of Czech language).... Dark... very dark ... black :D
 
10:03 PM
@ChristianHupfer and do you like it? And where was it, btw?
 
@tohecz: They served it there, but I did not drink it ... I was in service at noon... we just ate something
 
@ChristianHupfer excuses excuses
:D
you've gotta try it. It's not really a standard Czech beer, it has some sweet taste in it (but not fruity like ruby beers do). I quite like it.
 
@tohecz: On a work day, at school, a german teacher is not allowed to drink alcohol before 15:30 o'clock
 
@ChristianHupfer excuses excuses :D move to Czechia ;)
 
@tohecz: I am not sure, any German teacher is aware of this rule:D
 
10:06 PM
@ChristianHupfer just the children are allowed?
 
@DavidCarlisle gotcha! :D
 
@DavidCarlisle: :D :D No, we kick them if they do
 
@tohecz I too.
 
See ya' all! :)
 
@egreg you like it or you like it just "quite"?
 
10:08 PM
@Iplodman: bye
 
@tohecz I'd happily drink it, if it was available.
 
@egreg ok. Actually, dark beer is drunk a lot cut with a light one in Czechia to give it a bit more beerish taste (you of course cut dark Krušovice only with light Krušovice and not with any other beer)
 
@tohecz I remember good dark beer at a pub up in Hradčany (near Loretánská, IIRC)
 
@egreg if it was Czech, then it was probably Krušovice, and unless you specifically ordered a cut one, you really got a pure dark one.
 
@tohecz U Černého vola; from the site I see they have Kozel, but maybe it was different 15+ years ago.
 
10:17 PM
@egreg very likely it was, however, Kozel exists as a dark one, too, and some people prefer it to Krušovice since dark Kozel is less "sweetish"
 
@tohecz I need a Prague beer tour. ;-)
 
@egreg well, it's easy: come in August 2015 (and convince @Paulo to find the money for a ticket to Prague)
 
@tohecz :)
 
@egreg but really I've some free beds it wouldn't be much a problem
 
11:16 PM
Any Englishmen around, please?
 
@tohecz ...
 
@DavidCarlisle "I would like to ask you whether it would be possible to practice the piano in the church on Saturday" -- the part "it would be" stinks in my ears ...
 
@tohecz I think it's correct if slightly formal. But perhaps you intend it to be formal.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh yeah, confusion :D
 
@tohecz "May I practice the piano in the church on Saturday" is less formal but perhaps too much so if for example you haven't had contact before
 
11:21 PM
@DavidCarlisle well, I don't want to write to my minister: If you fukin wanna me play teh piano on the sundey, you betta give me teh church keys so dat i can play before
 
@tohecz he might prefer that, make him feel relevant to modern times:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle lol
to me, "may I" sound too direct ...
 
@tohecz "I was wondering if it might be possible to practice in the church on Saturday."
 
@tohecz it is a bit:-)
 
@AndrewCashner I certainly wouldn't say that ;)
 
11:24 PM
@tohecz Sorry, though, I'm no Englishman, just a midwestern USA bumpkin
 
"whether it would be possible" vs. "whether it were possible" vs. "whether it is possible" ?
 
@tohecz I'd probably use that form if I regularly practiced but was just asking if saturday was free.
 
@DavidCarlisle no, this case is exceptional, I even have to get the keys from someone etc.
 
@tohecz where's @AlanMunn when you need him:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle good question :)
 
11:26 PM
@tohecz I once practiced somewhere where I had to show ID every time I came in the building and buzz in under a security camera.
 
@AndrewCashner well, why not, these checks are more and more common
 
@tohecz Another place the assistant organist let me in only if I promised not to tell the senior organist.
 
@AndrewCashner even more common :D
 
@tohecz I have told the pastor at the church where I work that I expect the organ to be filled every hour possible with people practicing. Otherwise it's too hard to justify the heating expense to keep the organ in tune.
 
well, in Prague, I have the keys available, but I gotta be careful, the manse is just behind the organ with only a double wall in between
@AndrewCashner well, my organ is always off-tune, especially the 4' flute (the 8' flute is fine tho)
 
11:28 PM
@tohecz "Pastor, I am looking for a place to practice. Is there any chance it might be possible to practice in the church on Saturdays?"
@tohecz Our whole instrument has sunk by almost a half step (semitone) since the cold weather set in. No more organ-piano duets!
 
@AndrewCashner that's not the case either here. The case is: I exceptionally play during the service next Sunday, and I really need to practice somewhere
@AndrewCashner since realistic-sound electronic pianos appeared, this is no longer an issue :)
btw, are you a pro musician?
 
@tohecz "Pastor, next time I play for the service I would like to practice in the church beforehand. Would that be possible next Saturday?"
 
@AndrewCashner well, I know the church will be empty on Saturday ;) the whole thing is really just a polite request to allow me get in
 
@tohecz how about: " let me practice on saturday or I'll mess up on sunday and your service will be ruined and all your congregation will leave in disgust" that should convince him.
 
@tohecz Yes, music is my profession. Bachelor's degree in piano, master's in organ and sacred music, now doing PhD in music history and theory
 
11:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle that's too mean to be written by mail, but I can make it a joke when I meet him next time :D
 
@DavidCarlisle appeals to congregational panic always seem to work well :)
 
@AndrewCashner cool. Well, I'm just an amateur, recently getting into arranging some songs from our "modern songbook" (and I've written couple intonations to hymns, too)
 
@tohecz Great! Arranging for choir or instruments?
 
@AndrewCashner just for piano (well, maybe "arranging" is not the best word)
 
@tohecz It's a fine word. So is composing!
 
11:35 PM
I could send you some samples, but you've to promise that you won't mock of me
@AndrewCashner well, I'm taking other people's melodies (and chord marks mostly, too), so I'm not really composing
 
@tohecz I'd love that and do so promise.
 
PDF: tohe.wz.cz/www/evang/Sv229_O_Pane_zhasina_den_140817.pdf MP3: tohe.wz.cz/www/evang/Sv229_O_Pane_zhasina_den_140817.mp3 (I don't really like the recording, but doing HQ recordings is sooooo tough :( )
 
@tohecz The melody and chords only gives you about 10% of a song. You're composing.
 
@AndrewCashner while that's true, I'll preferably call my attempts "arranging" :)
 
@tohecz I like your arrangement. :)
 
11:41 PM
@AndrewCashner thanks. It's an evening prayer song, so I tried to make it warming and calming :)
 
@tohecz For the congregation or soloist this would provide a good support for singing, and it does feel calm.
 
@AndrewCashner well, they're mostly meant for small groups
 
@tohecz Can I make a suggestion? Not a criticism but an idea for something more.
 
@AndrewCashner hit me :)
 
@tohecz On the first verse "Pisne radostny" (apologies for missing diacritics), you introduce a second voice in the right hand, which I like. But I think you could do something more with it.
@tohecz Since the melody has repeated notes, you could make the "alto" voice move a bit. You could have it go down like a mirror of the main motive of the melody, which goes up. Example...
 
11:47 PM
yeah I know, I've tried couple things, but it was always more disturbing me than anything else (maybe I didn't try a good thing)
 
@tohecz r8 e'8 e'8 e'8 dis'8 c'is8 | e'2. | r2 cis'8 cis'8 cis'8 b8 a8 | cis'2. | r8 gis8 a8 b8 a8 b8 | a2. |
 
damn I don't have a piano here
 
@tohecz sorry I meant this: r8 e'8 e'8 e'8 dis'8 c'is8 | e'2. | r2 cis'8 cis'8 cis'8 b8 a8 | cis'2. | r8 gis8 a8 b8 a8 gis8 | a2. |
 
but a major 7? cool and interesting
 
@tohecz And in m. 11 I would add an A in the "Tenor" since you don't hear the third of the chord otherwise. But it might depend on the words, maybe the hollow sound of the open fourth is right.
@tohecz It's just a passing voice, not really a chord tone
 
11:52 PM
@AndrewCashner well, I would have tried it with d
@AndrewCashner it mihght fit into the bass too, sextaccord doesn't hurt from time to time
anyways, thanks for the suggestions :) I'll try once I convince my minister to let me into the church :)
 
@tohecz Okay, this is better for voice two, fits even better with the melody, and you don't have to change the bass part: r8 e'8 e'8 e'8 dis'8 cis'8 | e'2. | a8 b8 cis'8 b8 a8 | cis'1. | r8 gis8 a8 b4. | a2.
 
@DavidCarlisle You rang, sir?
 
@AlanMunn too late, the mail is sent ;)
 
@tohecz Have never chatted in lilypond before. Also have never really known what I was talking about on this site before. Thanks. Back to my terrible amateurism at computer programming.
 
@AndrewCashner lol :)
 
11:58 PM
@tohecz Oh well. But @AndrewCashner's "I was wondering if it would be possible to practice in the church" would probably be my preferred wording too.
 
well, I've written some more, but I should go to bed in a reasonable time
@AlanMunn ok, thanks :)
 
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