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12:02 AM
I often have trouble getting the typing box to pop up on the mobile app.
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I don't buy the answer for the Colours puzzle. War just seems so forced. It wouldn't make a good solution because it is temporal. Wouldn't we want something somewhat permanent as a solution?
 
matt did mention that he hopes we'd get it solved by saturday, though that couldve just been for flavor :P
 
12:44 AM
@WesleySitu that does carry some weight I guess.
 
 
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8:52 AM
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¡ Hola mundo !
 
KoA
'Ello gov'nor
 
Is it just me or we now have full name in chat ?
 
KoA
I only see it if I zoom out
 
Ah true
@Deusovi Have you started your game about changing rules ?
 
KoA
9:10 AM
Damn, I started writing the next Enchanted Caves puzzle but it doesn't really fit the atmosphere, guess I'll just post it as a standalone
 
There's a newcomer that asks how can one put a spoiler inside a comment.
 
KoA
I think it's accepted to write rot13(-insert rot 13 of content here-)
 
I want to tell him it's not possible, but I'm not 100% sure myself ...
so ... is it possible to put spoilers in comments ?
 
KoA
I don't think so
I'll go have a quick look on meta
 
not possible
 
KoA
9:16 AM
yea I don't think it's possible, just rot13(jevgr gurz yvxr guvf)
 
thanks
 
It has been requested I think
and rot13 is discourage, or you should at least explain that it rot13 so people get i
*it
 
KoA
You can make it a link to rot13.com as well if you want
 
But I think that comments on answer don't really need that, if you don't want to be spoiled, you don't read answer so why would read their small comments ^^
 
KoA
When scrolling past, it's hard to not read the comments imo
Especially when it's one of those large puzzles when people work together
 
9:21 AM
why would you scroll if you don't want to be spoiled ?
 
KoA
¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
@question_asker I believe I didn't do it recently.
 
Well if you see "hint 4 is correct" in the comments, you can choose not to see the spoiler on hint 4 in the answer.
 
KoA
puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/33361/… does this seem too broad to you guys?
 
@Deusovi Yeah. Maybe I am too much into this site. I think I should quit this job. No more addiction to this site anymore.
@KoA Yes. Many leaders in past have done that.
name of the Any leader can be the answer
Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi, etc.
 
KoA
9:30 AM
-insert any famous lawyer or judge-
-insert any famous activist-
-insert any superhero-
 
-insert any super hero
arf too slow ^^
 
KoA
ninja'd ;p
 
-insert your own name-
 
KoA
same
 
KoA
10:16 AM
 
Music kowledge required ?
 
@KoA Does number 2 on the list have anything to do with the colour Gray, or am I on the wrong track?
 
KoA
Music knowledge recommended, but not strictly required @Lordofdark. Not required at all for the 'list' part, however.
@GordonK ayyyyy ;)
number 1 on the list, you mean? :P
oopsies fixed stray html
 
@manshu you did it earlier this week my dude
 
Yes, number 1 - second item in the list.
 
10:39 AM
@question_asker forgive me.
I won't do it again.
 
You will.
 
@Deusovi You also VTC these questions. :p ^^^^
ttyl.
 
10:58 AM
Neither of those. Pay attention to what I actually said.
@LeppyR64 That capital cities question... I have a bad feeling about it.
 
@question_asker I had a bad feeling about it too.
I don't want to invest too much time into searching for capitals that share a border. I knew those two :)
 
yeah
also... the puzzle that led up to it
 
I'm not so worried about that. It's going to be a series.
 
I really really really don't want to be mean,
but ... for something titled "Ultimate Puzzling Challenge", it's leaving a lot to be desired so far.
 
lol truth
 
11:10 AM
and I get it, it's a series so we can't say for sure
but... there have been other puzzles serieses that have been more substantial right off the bat.
 
agreed
We will see where it goes. So far I have learned nothing except how to find distances between capital cities.
 
KoA
how many hints does the mysterious friend puzzle have dayummm
 
11:30 AM
hahahahahahahaha
11 hints in 12 hours miiiiiight be a record
 
The last 3 hints are ... wierd.
Also, OP's is explaining each hint in a separate comment on the checked answer.
 
11:46 AM
We should keep a records post ^^
 
KoA
Omg can we please
 
Like the biggest number of hint, longest question, longest answer, biggest number of answers
fastest right answer
 
KoA
oh by the way
 
most used title
 
KoA
is it the 27th now? because that means next fortnight topic
the answer to that is yes, but science and steganography are tied on votes
damn
 
11:54 AM
isn't the challenge dying ?
 
KoA
I refuse to let it die
 
it seems like there are less and less interest in it because topics become less interesting
 
I dunno
to be honest, I rarely see any topic getting much attention
we had "movies" and "literature" challenges and those had almost no puzzles (and some of the puzzles they did have were... lacking)
(sidenote: i would love to see good puzzles on those topics, but if we can't make that happen in a challenge, I don't see it happening on its own, unfortunately)
(also I know I'm biased but I think language is a perfectly interesting topic, and a couple of really good questions were made for the challenge)
 
Maybe we coulb make a vote at the end of the challenge to make it more interesting ?
 
yeah there is sort of an issue with the challenges in the sense that all they are is somebody going "hey guys make puzzles about X" and then people do (sometimes) and then ... somebody does the same thing about a different topic. there's no stakes here, no reward or anything.
It's getting increasingly difficult to care about this site when a) the SE devs are at best dismissive and more often outright assholes to us, b) there's a weird cutthroat atmosphere due to the way that SE sites work wrt questions/answers/voting/rep, c) there's no real positive reinforcement for doing an exceptional job, and d) any questions that could inspire actual creativity (having multiple valid answers, etc.) are explicitly disallowed
(and suggestions for cordoning off an area for them have been brushed off)
 
12:13 PM
Most recent one that was still within the time limit for the language challenge....
OP can add it to the list, if they want - but I think the tag was improperly used, so I refuse to do it.
 
Which one?
oh, the brain confusion one?
 
I don't really understand why question with multiple valid answers are not allowed : on Stack Overflow, if I ask something like "How can I find and delete a word in a text in java ?" there are multiple valid answers, and OP accept the one that fits the best his need.
 
right.
I have a question on SO that has three answers, all of which are equally valid
 
@question_asker yeah
 
in fact, the SE documentation says questions with multiple answers are good
@Khale_Kitha yeah that one strains the definition of "language"
 
12:18 PM
So we can have the same here, several valid answer but OP is expecting one
 
Having multiple answers needs to be removed as a qualifier for the "too broad" flag is the issue, imo.
 
also... come on. another question where the answer has to do with chemical symbols.
 
Those are two separate conditions that are, only occasionally, related.
 
@Khale_Kitha agreed
 
While it's true that some "too broad" ones are because they can provide too many answers...
That's an effect of a badly designed question (as Deusovi was mentioning) rather than a cause.
And it needs a different flag reason
You're gonna star this, but...
The "Too Broad" flag is used on a far too broad set of questions.
2
 
12:19 PM
that's the thing that kills me about the lateral thinking questions - yeah, they can have multiple valid answers, but a) usually a lot of the "valid" answers stretch credulity (rain came in through the window and flooded the place and the guy floated to the top!, etc) and b) there's always a clearly more satisfying correct answer intended by OP
you know me so well
 
lol
I think the issue that some people have with the lateral thinking questions
 
see, I brought this up before and people were like "psshhh" but didn't really explain why:
 
Is that they're highly encouraging of troll answers - as we've seem from even out own people in this channel.
Though - our people tend to do it on REALLY bad questions.
 
why not just have a tag that's essentially a safe space for lateral thinking questions, where we allow them to have multiple answers
 
Good lateral thinking puzzles can have some really neat, and interesting, answers.
But all-in-all...
We need a more defined set of flag reasons.
Right now, it almost feels like we have:
 
12:22 PM
I don't know that they're encouraging of troll answers - maybe just that trolls find those questions attractive.
 
1. This sucks. 2. I don't like it
 
yes, agreed with that
 
Yeah, that's probably the issue, in a different wording
Less encouraging and more...
inviting
 
http://puzzling.stackexchange.com/q/33263/20274

This is question as several awesome answers IMHO
 
I'm reluctant to use that wording for personal reasons but I understand what you mean
 
12:23 PM
I know a lot of people tend to troll questions that are badly defined as an attempt to make it clear to the OP that it's a bad question
 
right
 
The problem is - I've YET to see the OP get it. All of the responses are: "Good thinking, but no"
 
and that's... kind of obnoxious?
like, it's unnecessary, and all you're doing is trying to make someone feel bad for writing a puzzle that they didn't consider every possible solution to
 
It is - but it's pretty much the internet these days....heh
Yeah
 
(not you you)
 
12:24 PM
No, I know - I tend to avoid posting anything on those ones, at all
 
and remember
remember how obnoxious that was on your puzzles?
 
idiot answers?
Yeah, exactly
 
and your puzzles were good. but people couldn't just leave it alone, because some people are in a smartness contest of their own devising
 
haha
 
Can we have specific flags / close reason for PSE or every SE has the same ?
 
12:25 PM
well
 
No, they're custom
We were promised that we'd get more migrate options, too
But it didn't happen
 
at this point, I feel like we can totally forget getting any kind of new feature/custom anything
 
Because we totally need a flag "This answer has is not explained."
*"This answer is not explained."
 
@Lordofdark that's a perfect example of a question with multiple good answers btw
(the 22 + 4 question you linked)
almost all of those answers were valid and interesting
and I straight up do not understand why that can't be OK
who is suffering from that? I want to meet the person who is experiencing actual real life distress over the fact that there are multiple satisfying answers to that question
because every time somebody suggests that we ease up on our definition of "too broad", somebody else always claims that Real, Actual Harm comes to people because of it, and that's uh pretty laughable on its face, but even giving that a little bit of leeway, I still don't see the issue. If there's a real problem, then that's literally why we have mods.
 
f'kin spam phone calls at 7:30 in the morning....
I want to send an electric shock through the phone to these people.
 
12:30 PM
hahaha same
 
The funny thing is...
I don't see a difference between the puzzle that LoD posted and the one I posted yesterday =d
 
OHHHHHHH
 
Sure one involves math creativity and one involves creativity based on the ruleset of a pattern idea
 
KK IS THROWING DOWN
 
But both were interesting, to me
 
12:31 PM
(I'm joking, please don't think I think you're starting beef)
 
thwaps QA
 
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@Khale_Kitha You're talking about the 22+4 one and the CGOL one, right?
 
yeah
I never remember the name of it, so didn't try
 
I agree with you. I think both are fine
 
took me 10m to look it up, yesterday, lol
 
12:33 PM
OK so for the record, the reason I balked at you saying that I don't think our rules are strict is:
I think our rules are super strict. I just think we don't enforce them equally.
 
No, that was my point
We have rules that get enforced on a weighted basis
As I mentioned, I read a meta post, somewhere, literally stating to not use the "too broad" flag on a question over 4k posts
And I've run into, MYSELF, an idiot review test that I failed because it was posted by Gamow instead of someone else
They literally have it programmed into the system
Like I'm supposed to know that the rules don't apply to certain people when I'm reviewing questions.
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...I just..
 
+ PPCG always has a lot of valid answers
 
"You keep using this [tag]. I do not think it means...what you think it means..."
 
@Khale_Kitha I agree with you
 
Turns off passive-aggressive mode, after posting that comment
 
12:38 PM
I don't understand that puzzle, and the use of that tag is wrong
oh also
I feel like """we""" could be nicer to newcomers. It's one thing to shut people's questions down without any kind of helpful comment when they've been here a while and should know better about certain things, but it's another when we do that to brand new people.
 
Yeah, that's the problem with the SE setup.
We can do just that. Explain things to new people, and expect older people to know...
 
well, maybe new people could not just jump in my posting bad puzzles ...
 
But SO has given the pattern of: "If this is a problem, shut it down, quick, and teach them a lesson, the hard way."
 
maybe they should look around first, and try answering something
 
12:42 PM
So it follows suit on all other SE sites, which is the problem.
Yeah, exactly, Matt.
I love the ones that just HAAAAVE to comment, so they do an answer, despite the site giving them tons of warnings that their answer's going to get deleted.
 
@Matt the problem is that a lot of stuff isn't very clearly defined
 
While a single actual answer, with a single upvote, will allow them to comment anywhere.
 
and puzzling has a verrrrrry idiosyncratic idea of what a good puzzle is
(as evidenced by the fact that several of us with significant rep have been talking about what's wrong with the puzzling policies all morning)
 
since questions are the lifeblood here, it would make more sense if there was a minimum rep for posting a puzzle. That would, however get rid of people who are not from here who post a real life puzzle
 
I think it's unreasonable to expect brand new people to just intrinsically understand what it is that we like.
 
12:47 PM
My favorite spam email subject ever
Hi (co-worker),
How very convincing! I must click it! I simply cannot!
....
 
KoA
in regards to the earlier discussion on the topic challenges: we could offer bounties for 'best question of the challenge' sort of thing
of course it would be one of those weird "post an answer to get a bounty for a question" things but it could work
 
Not sure how we'd decide on which one, though, since people seem to be against "Vote" posts
unless we just went by upvotes, and that system's COMPLETELY unfair
 
KoA
Anyone can offer their own bounty, and gives it to their favourite
 
True, but people can do that, already
(And generally don't)
 
KoA
Do bounties given on meta go toward main site rep?
 
12:51 PM
Plus...
 
why not make a vote on the weekly challenge post ?
 
The bounties for questions idea seems to have been shot down since admins wanted nothing to do with us, as a site.
 
KoA
We could have a template "You've been awarded a rep-reward for posting a great question for the fortnightly topic! Please post a link to your question as an answer on the fortnightly topic meta post [link will go here] to collect your reward!" or something like that
or have a bounty-questions specific meta post
 
Perhaps - but with that being a 3-day process, I don't, personally, imagine that people would get around to it.
Judging by how many bounties I see for people to answer a question, on this site that go for 4, 5, 6 days after the question has a checkmark, without the bounty awarded.
 
i think we can't give bounty on meta
 
12:56 PM
That looks true
 
KoA
that's even more disappointing
 
Another thing that's disappointing is how useless the review system is, in Steam, because of the massive number of idiots that upvote worthless reviews.
 
buying gf
 
KoA
I love funny steam reviews
 
if whatever they're buying isn't gluten-free, theres gonna be a shitstorm
 
1:02 PM
I do, too, Koa - they're just EXTREMELY rare
 
10 000 hours in
"it's okay".
 
I'd say about 0.1% of reviews marked "funny" have any humorous value, whatsoever
 
lmfaooooooo @Matt somebody posted an almost identical answer to yours but used 5/6/78 instead of 6/7/08
 
KoA
the ones for Emily is Away are top kek quality
 
That was apparently the intended answer
 
1:03 PM
@Khale_Kitha The answer can be deduced from the information given. I may need to add more information if answers are too far off. — dcfyj 22 mins ago
 
Yeah, this guy didn't bother to read the article I linked
 
proving that this is not a deductive reasoning puzzle
 
yo if you need the date, then the answer cannot be deduced from the information given
you have to literally introduce new information to the scenario to get the 6/7/08 or 5/6/78 answer
 
Yeah - this is why we have a process called inductive reasoning
Because....IT'S NOT DEDUCTIVE
 
1:04 PM
lol yep
 
That one's definitely a rebus, Anton
 
@KoA I keep finding out that I own Emily is Away and I don't remember buying it
 
Probably a cliche definition of one, to be honest
never heard of it
 
I mean, if I own it, I almost certainly did buy it on purpose
 
KoA
Emily is Away is free
 
1:05 PM
(also, if I own a game, it's probably because it went on sale for $5 or less)
oh, that explains that
I almost never spend more than $5 on a game
 
KoA
same pretty much, except for when I really want a game
 
If I really want a game, I'll wait until it's on sale for >= $15
 
Terraria, which stays at a relatively low price, just got a great update (1.3.1)
 
I think I spent $20 on Skyrim, but I definitely got more than $20 of enjoyment out of it
 
@question_asker waits for the edit
 
1:07 PM
on which line?
 
Terraria is now worth at least 3 times its price.
 
WHICH LINE KK
haha
 
the one I linked to, q_a :P
 
KoA
54 games on my steam library
 
oh lol
 
KoA
1:08 PM
I go a little wild when I see games go under $1
 
LESS than or equal to $15
 
hehe
 
Also the update is focused on combinatorial logic.
 
KoA
I would say 90% of my games are super cheap indie games
 
Maybe I can draw puzzles out of it.
 
1:09 PM
@Anton I know a lot of people I know like that game, I've thought about getting it before.
@KoA Same
 
oh right - RPG Maker MV is free this weekend - need to check out the new features...
 
KoA
I wanna be an achievement hunter, but like god damn it I have a lot of tough achievements to get
 
the vast majority of my in-game hours were spent in TF2 or Skyrim, but the games I've liked the most have all been (usually relatively short) indie games, and in some cases, "non-games"
 
KoA
currently on 36% average game completion
only 3 perfect games :(
 
one of my perfect games is Fez, but I "cheated" to get that
 
1:11 PM
Garry's Mod has obnoxious achievements...
- Play in multi with garry
- have a total playtime of 1 year
- get 1000 upvotes on the workshop
 
only perfect game I have is just cause 3
i tried to 100% JC 2, but there are literally 0 instances of 100% without modding to find the extra stuff
 
KoA
My perfect games are Binding of Isaac: Wrath of Lamb, Super Hexagon and Scribblenauts
 
I've seen stupid achievements for games like "Play every day for 1 year" and such
 
KoA
Stanley Parable's stupid achievement makes me want to cry
 
@KoA which one ?
the one with the baby and the fire ?
 
KoA
1:13 PM
"Unachievable"
the one that literally is a random chance
 
oh ...
 
KoA
god damn it, it drives me insane
 
I played the stanley parable
I have no idea if i finished it
 
It's easy to finish it once, but getting all the endings is another story.
 
I got to one point after about 2 hours and was like "omg this has to be the end. I'm so done."
and I stopped
I have no idea when it stopped
 
1:14 PM
Steam won't let me look at my achievements on that game, so I don't remember what I have
 
KoA
has anyone played VVVVVV because those achievements are hell
 
I played it before it even got its achievements.
screw the time attack mode, this is made for TAS-level players
 
KoA
"Master of the Universe - Complete the game in no death mode" :^)
 
"no death mode" is cheap difficulty.
 
KoA
It's an achievement, it's supposed to be stupid hard :p
0.5% of players have it
 
1:21 PM
Spelunky achievements are also hard, but much more fun to attempt.
 
VVVVVV are indeed impossible
 
lol I love VVVVVVV
 
I like it quite a lot for its musics, but the sloppy gameplay ... :/
 
oh haha (reading back) I have 100% on stanley parable
@Anton The music in VVVVVV is great. easily a top [some number] game soundtrack for me
(also, when I say I love VVVVVV, I mean I love it in concept* but I'm not actually very good at it)
* other games I love in concept: dark souls
 
Morrowind has some of my favourite game musics
 
1:27 PM
eyyyyyy
 
Wanna hear about the latest game I played ?
 
I tried playing morrowind but I got overwhelmed by having to read so much ugly text about a half hour in
sure
 
it's an obscure gem of an SNES JRPG.
 
(but yes morrowind music is very good)
 
named Treasure of the Rudras.
 
1:28 PM
Yeah morrowind need you to read a bit, and has horrible fight mode but awesome music, story and quests
 
The story is divided into 3 parts that can be played on the same save.
But the best thing about this is the magic system.
Write a word (mantra) and it becomes a spell.
 
@Lordofdark admittedly the only ES games I've actually spent time playing are skyrim and ESO, which makes me a bad person in the eyes of many gamers, but I've read enough about the rest of the franchise that I don't feel like I'm missing a lot of good gameplay
 
You can then read the spells ennemies are using, and even use super powerful spells right in the beginning of a story.
 
oh, that's cool
 
Also in battle, 2 options that are super cool :
-you can tell in which order each hero is going to act.
-anyone can defend a teammate, even for parrying 1-target enemy spells.
Actually, I'm still not done with this game. Still on the final chapter.
 
1:35 PM
oh huh. that's not a mechanic I've seen anywhere (admittedly I don't know a lot of games)
 
yeah, pretty unique.
 
@KoA What games do you like?
 
1:53 PM
i've got a decent number of V achievements :D
one of my favorite games
 
KoA
@question_asker all sorts, I like rogue-likes a lot, and very story-driven games
 
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