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3:00 PM
Yup :)
 
@robjohn have you seen this one?
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Q: About $\int_0^{\pi/2}\arctan(1-\sin^2 (x) \cos^2 (x))dx = \pi \left( \frac{\pi}{4}-\pi \arctan \sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{2}-1}{2}}\right)$

AnthonyIn this question sos440 has mentioned about an integral that he computed: $$\int_0^{\pi/2}\arctan(1-\sin^2 (x) \cos^2 (x))dx = \pi \left( \frac{\pi}{4}- \arctan \sqrt{\frac{\sqrt{2}-1}{2}}\right)$$ I would really like to know how this can be proved. I tried using differentiation under the integ...

 
@TedShifrin Great!! Thanks a lot!!! :-)
 
@robjohn I bet it can be done by real methods ...
 
too much brain power is used doing these impossible integrals and not enough solving new sorts of problems :)
imho
 
We don't have the book anyway, so it's all moot.
 
3:03 PM
For a system of DEs, can we add all the equations together and find the solution to that? Will it be the solution of the system?
 
Why should it be?
 
No idea. Because a comment says so?
 
Have you looked at Sharpe, @Mike? It's a principal bundle, forms-based approach. Pretty fancy, with tons of examples.
Are these linear DEs, @UserX?
 
Yes
 
@Ted Unless I'm misunderstanding, the question is whether you can find solutions e.g. to $\{f \in C^\infty(\Bbb R^2) : f_x=0,f_y=0\}$ by solving $f_x+f_y=0$, which isn't true...
 
3:09 PM
Then it's like asking a question like this: If you add the equations $x+y=3$ and $x-y=1$, you get $x=2$. Is a solution of that a solution of the original?
Read my query, @Mike :P
 
Ah, better answer.
I haven't but I'll look at it when I get to my office. My phone doesn't look at Amazon previews or PDFs very well.
 
@TedShifrin No...
 
You throw away information when you add equations and don't keep the entire list, @UserX.
 
@MikeMiller I thought you hadn't studied calculus-y stuff since a long time
What does Alan's comment mean?
 
@Ted Are you thinking of the book subtitled "Cartan's generalization of Klein's program"?
 
3:14 PM
Yes, @Mike.
 
@UserX Well I TA calculus, so I should know a little about it. But above and beyond that, one never really stops thinking about calculus...
 
Oh yea. How is that class going?
 
Well, they're probably not happy about the midterm they just took.
 
I don't think the solution has nontrivial solutions, @UserX. One has solutions that are linear combinations of $e^{\omega t}$ where $\omega$ is a cube root of unity, and the other has linear combinations of $e^{\eta t}$ where $\eta^4+4 = 0$. They don't overlap.
 
@TedShifrin I still don't understand the comment
 
3:20 PM
It's unhelpful.
 
That makes sense. Anyway, bbl, I got classes.
 
Funny... there are a lot of questions on MSE about the topology needed for differential geometry, but nobody well tell me about the differential geometry needed for topplogy :)
Sharpe's book does look nice, and luckily, our library has it. I'll go check it out before class.
 
@MikeMiller Maybe because you don't need differential geometry for topology?
 
3:40 PM
@DanielF: Since gauge theory in the 70s and 80s, that is no longer the case. We're not talking point-set here :P
We needed you last night, @DanielF. I've forgotten who, but someone was wrestling with compact operators on Banach spaces. He seemed confused about whether the implication compact $\implies$ continuous was reversible.
 
@TedShifrin Even otherwise, I think you need a differentiable manifold for differential geometry, don't you?
Of course for the topology of differentiable manifolds, diffgeo can be much helpful.
 
It's far beyond that now, @DanielF.
 
@TedShifrin Oh? How far?
@TedShifrin Of course not, $\operatorname{id}$ is continuous, but rarely compact.
 
Gauge theory and Floer homology, for example, are full of differential geometric notions.
I know that, @DanielF :)
 
@TedShifrin Then what would I have been needed for?
 
3:45 PM
LOL, to give him intuition on compact operators? He didn't hang around long, and I was in the middle of three other things.
Like right now I need to be working on recommendation letters before I go to be carved by the dermatologist ... then more Thanksgiving shopping ... and the cooking commences.
 
@TedShifrin I like the last one ;)
 
the cooking?
come help!
 
Yup.
@TedShifrin Can you buy me a Concorde ticket?
Oh, wait it's out of service :(
 
I accepted 470 hours of TA work next semester beside normal study progression. That is going to be fun.
 
I'm pretty sure differential geometry techniques are very powerful in low dimensions for the reasons Ted mentions, but I guess in high dimensions algebraic techniques reign supreme... I think all of the progress on exotic spheres in dimensions above 4 is due to homotopy theory.
 
3:47 PM
Even with a 20-week semester, that would be ridiculous, @N3B!
 
I'm more interested in $n \leq 4$.
 
well, $h$-cobordism theorem isn't homotopy ... there's serious differential topology there. :)
 
@TedShifrin Work hard, play hard, die old.
 
If you say so....
The Concorde never went to ATL, anyhow, @DanielF :)
 
I agree... but once you have that and the surgery exact sequence, the algebriasts come home to roost.
 
3:50 PM
Go to class, @Mike.
 
@TedShifrin But New York is considerably nearer to Atlanta than Europe is.
 
Bestimmt, @DanielF.
 
I'm walking there, @Ted.
You forget I live in the future and can do that...
 
You'll get run over or trip over a tree root, @Mike. Pay detention!
 
Oh shush, I'm not driving.
 
3:52 PM
@MikeMiller Jaywalking
 
Well, duh. Did what I said have anything to do with your driving?
 
I'd argue more, but I'm here now.
 
Teach well!
 
Yo
Today I computed the fundamental group of a genus $g$ surface minus $n$ points.
 
4:23 PM
@DanielFischer If a Maclaurin series converges for all values on the unit circle, does it necessarily converge absolutely for all those values? I'm specifically talking about the case when the radius of convergence is exactly 1.
 
@RandomVariable That is a difficult question. I don't know the answer to it. I think there was a question asking that a couple of months ago, iirc, it got no answers.
 
@DanielFischer Are you familiar with the Langenscheidt dictionaries? Are they good?
 
@JasperLoy Fairly good.
@RandomVariable Here
 
4:39 PM
@DanielFischer How did you find that so quickly? I can't find anything, even questions I know I bookmarked.
 
@RandomVariable Thanks for your comment :)
 
@Venus You're welcome.
 
@RandomVariable Google, site:math.stackexchange.com. And luck, plain old luck.
 
@RandomVariable Does 'on the unit circle' mean $|x|<1$?
 
on =/= inside
 
4:44 PM
@Venus It means |x|=1.
 
@JasperLoy Thank you ^^
 
No problem, that would be a million dollars, lol.
 
4:57 PM
@Nick Dear User, Please change your username for this site inorder to prevent notification clashes. I have been pinged every time someone pings you.
 
See, now he's just not going to change his username. You have to be strong.
Just because there are two Mike Millers out there doesn't mean I'm going to back down!
this... will end poorly for you, rather than him
 
@MikeMiller Yeah, I just looked up what that word actually meant. Boy, it would have ended very miserably for me.
@JasperLoy Do you accept check?
@MikeMiller Have you ever heard the tale of the Miller's daughter? Your name constantly reminds me of it.
 
No. Miller is a very common name.
As of 2000, 6th most common in the US.
 
Loy is a very uncommon name where I live. Also, please do not disclose my location in this chat anymore. I do not want certain people to spy on me.
 
Huy
@JasperLoy: Are you paranoid?
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5:07 PM
@JasperLoy Ah, you don't want us to say that you live on the moon ? :DD
 
@JasperLoy Everyone knows your location. Infact, I watch you everyday, Mr.Truman.
 
@Huy I am not. But I live in a country where one can get into trouble easily for doing or saying harmless things.
 
@Nick Good movie.
 
Nov 21 at 19:45, by Hippalectryon
—Hello? Is this the anonymous FBI tip-line?
—Yes, Mr. Benson.
 
Huy
@JasperLoy: And many people in your neighbourhood who would cause you trouble frequently visit this chatroom, I suppose?
 
5:08 PM
@MikeMiller Name one Jim Carrey movie that wasn't good.
 
@Huy The transcript is searchable on google.
 
Yes Man.
 
Huy
So, yes to paranoid.
 
@Huy I would not call myself paranoid. You live in a liberal country, so you do not understand.
 
@JasperLoy Everything we say, yes, even right now. is available on google
 
Huy
5:10 PM
I think liberal countries are just utopia.
 
Let's just say that I live in Antarctica for now.
 
Huy
Say hi to the penguins.
 
@Huy :O
 
Most of his acting is mediocre, because he doesn't need to do better than mediocre. But he's a great actor when he wants to be; see Truman Show or Eternal Sunshine
 
@MikeMiller I think all Jim Carrey movies are terrible.
 
Huy
5:11 PM
Penguins are awesome. It's been almost three months since I've seen one.
 
That's objectively false.
Not directed at Huy; penguins are alright in my book.
 
Every time I use terrible, people are upset.
 
That's because your taste is... terrible.
 
Nothing wrong there uh V
 
@JasperLoy Jim, the penguin loving God man? Is that you.
@MikeMiller How about the Majestic. Not too bad. Not too good.
 
5:14 PM
@mike I have decided to buy 'More math into LaTeX' and 'PSTricks' for LaTeX.
 
@MikeMiller He doesn't need to be good actor. He just needs to be Jim Carrey.
 
not too bad; not too good is a characterization of most of his movies :)
 
Huy
@JasperLoy: Why are you buying books for LaTeX?
 
Because he's obsessed with books.
 
@Huy I like to have books on everything I am interested in.
 
Huy
5:15 PM
I know, but there are other books, that are more worth buying, imo.
 
@MikeMiller it's a characterization of all movies. Heck, it describes everything in the world...
 
Nah.
 
'More math into LaTeX' is the best book for math typesetting.
'PSTricks' describes the pstricks packages which produce the biggest range of mathematical graphics.
For the mathematician, I believe these two are the best choices.
 
Most people just google something when they don't know how to typeset it.
 
@Huy Are you Vietnamese?
 
5:19 PM
@venus Do you come from Venus?
 
@JasperLoy No. Actually, I don't know where I come from
 
@JasperLoy Are you familar with using the geometry package for page layout?
 
@Huy Hey!
@JasperLoy Then she probably is made of titanium.
 
@MikeMiller Yeah, but it's so hard to find the right answers to the really specific questions one has.
 
I haven't had trouble. Maybe I just haven't needed to use super-obscure LaTeX.
 
Huy
5:34 PM
@Venus: My parents are Vietnamese, yes.
 
@MikeMiller Hello.
 
Hello @pedro, are you going anywhere for vacation next month?
 
hi pedro
 
@JasperLoy No.
 
@MikeMiller I need to set the right margin (the white space to the right of the document) to 0.5cm. How do I achieve this?
 
5:41 PM
Using google.
 
@MikeMiller geometry package. I have the documentation. It's so long. I'm looking for one line of code, godammit!
 
@Nick \usepackage[top=3cm, bottom=3cm, left=3cm, right=3cm]{geometry}
 
@PedroTamaroff that affects the whole document. I need something for a few pages of the document.
 
@Nick I don't know then.
 
why would you need this for just a couple pages
 
5:44 PM
@PedroTamaroff something involving \newgeometry I think
 
@MikeMiller Those pages contain long code and breaky lines make my heart achey.
 
@Nick Ask on TeX SE.
 
Or google. ;)
 
;-) is the favourite smiley of my enemy.
To this day, I get sick when I see it.
 
5:46 PM
This is not the fault of the smiley.
 
@MikeMiller Oh! That's ... wow, you're good at googling.
 
Search was "change margins on individual page latex"
Using single instead of individual gets the same result.
 
@MikeMiller You should tutor me on keyword English. Me no hablo this language.
 
I don't speak español either.
 
@mike What level is your French?
 
5:50 PM
Good enough to pass the language exam here.
 
I am hoping to achieve fluency in both French and German some day.
 
@JasperLoy Then you can go to the UN, hijack their army and kill off your enemy.
 
I think we probably shouldn't encourage Jasper to kill stackexchange users he doesn't like.
 
I am very troubled these few days over something.
 
@MikeMiller :P
hi by the way
 
5:58 PM
@Chris'ssis What are you doing now?
 
@JasperLoy He's thinking about DEM H8RZ
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@PedroTamaroff You mean she. I am pretty sure it is she and not he.
 
No, it's definitely a guy.
 
@JasperLoy He's Chris. Don't you get it?
(Me and @pedro have this brilliant idea to feed conspiracy theories to @Jasper)
 
C with countably many punctures has \pi_1 isomorphic to \oplus Z, right?
hmm
 
6:05 PM
@BalarkaSen So you moved from topology to algebraic topology?
 
Countably many punctures where?
 
<-- thinking about constructing a space with \pi isom with Q
 
lol
 
@MikeMiller on C
 
good luck
I'm telling you that where you put the points matters.
 
6:06 PM
@PedroTamaroff right
@MikeMiller but it doesn't for finite punctures!
 
So?
 
hrmph
@MikeMiller what's there to lol about? is it not possible?
 
Didn't you show a while back that every group is realized as the fundamental group of some space?
 
finitely presented, finitely generated
 
@JasperLoy What be your troubles?
 
6:11 PM
@Nick Long story.
 
Same proof works just as well when you remove finiteness considerations.
 
Hallo everybody Lv
:v
Finished Spivak wondering if start with Apostol volume 2 or Apostol volume 1 or Shilov Linear algebra or Introduction to Graph Theory?
 
@PedroTamaroff I am trying to prove the Lebesgue no. lemma simaltenously
 
@BalarkaSen to kill your question about $\Bbb C$ minus countably many points, here's a problem for you: show that $\pi_1(\Bbb C \setminus \Bbb Z)$ is countable, but $\pi_1(\Bbb C \setminus \Bbb Q(i))$ is not.
 
@BalarkaSen Simultaneously to what?
 
6:13 PM
i.e. the problem you gave me 1000 days ago
 
Yes.
You should prove ict.
 
right, otherwise i can't do map lifting
@PedroTamaroff ict?
 
It's it, spelled by someone on a phone.
 
That means "Balarka stop being a pedantic twit."
 
@BalarkaSen $1000 \text{ days} \approx 2.73 \text{ years}$
 
6:15 PM
:P
 
hi
 
$\pi$
 
@PedroTamaroff como se pone el fondo gris en una pregunta?
 
@Twink >
 
@MikeMiller noted
 
6:17 PM
thanks :D
 
@Twink A pony went into a coma, ate some fondue and got pregnant?
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Ofcourse I'm joshing...
@PedroTamaroff Why doesn't that work in chat?
 
of course you are joshing
 
@BalarkaSen ofcourse that's obvious.
 
@Nick Ponies :D
 
@Hippalectryon I was trying trying to comprehend spanish through english similar sounding words.
Also, @Twink has reminded me of a good point. Why isn't the grey thing (made by >) available for use in the rooms.
> "Quote Here" - Author
Oh! it does work.
lol
 
6:29 PM
 
13 mins ago, by Nick
@Twink A pony went into a coma, ate some fondue and got pregnant?
@Nick what are you talking about?
 
@Twink Your question to @Pedro about how to use the grey area in questions when translated from spanish to english using similar sounding words.
 
@G.T.R I'd star that if it was it english :-)
 
@Nick Not funny. Why did it get starred?
 
@JasperLoy Because this is a maths chatroom, ovbiously
Logic
 
6:36 PM
@JasperLoy People might have had similar bad nights.
 
@Twink That is a very big mouth, lol.
 
 
@G.T.R I don't understand. How can you expect anything to sell more if you increase the price? No matter how much you try.
 
@JasperLoy LOOOL
 
@Hippalectryon Did you understand it? If so, what's a shadok?
 
6:40 PM
@Nick Of course I did, I'm French :)
 
@Hippalectryon Again, what's a shadok? monsieur.
 
@JasperLoy Hey! I was working on something :-) You?
 
@Chris'ssis Nothing, lol.
 
@JasperLoy you mean you're chatting. ;)
hmmm ... let me prepare some lemon with sugar to boost up my energy level
(there is much work to do for many hours...)
 
@Nick Here's my quick traanslation
@Chris'ssis Don't drink too much sugar !
 
6:46 PM
lemon with sweetener is better
 
@Hippalectryon Why? :-)
@MatsGranvik not always since the last studies show a possible relation to type 2 diabetes, they seem to be much more harmful than sugar.
 
liquid hermesetas should be safe
 
@Hippalectryon When one tries continuously, one ends up succeeding. Thus, the more one fails, the greater the chance that it will work. Good advice. A hell to consciously implement though.
 
@Nick Your translation is way better than mine :D
@Chris'ssis It's bad for your health :/
 
@Hippalectryon I go jogging every day ...
 
6:50 PM
@Hippalectryon Best translation for mathematicians: If there is one chance out of a 1000 to succeed, rush failing the 999 first tries.
 
@Nick Hehe
@Chris'ssis Still :-)
 
@Hippalectryon Do you consume chocolate? I eat like 100g every day and still I'm in shape, no overweight. I couldn't live without chocolate, peanuts, milk, honey.
 
Stupid question time; if $f(x_1)\neq f(x_2)\implies x_1\neq x_2$ then $f$ is one to one. Right or wrong?
 
@Chris'ssis I use to eat 1/2 tablets per week but this week I couldn't get any :/
@Chris'ssis And i'm in shape !
:P
 
@Hippalectryon Why? What happened? Besides that, you only eat a bit of chocolate! If I were a movie character, then I'd definitely be Willy Wonka (... chocolate factory). :D:D:D
 
6:59 PM
@Chris'ssis There was no more available at my house (I'm home on the WE, during the week I'm in 'boarding school')
 

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