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9:00 PM
ANyway , J'(x) = J(x/2)
and the idea is to prove
J(x) - J(x-1) is about x/2
wait @BalarkaSen
 
@Chris'ssis Can I show you a difficult sum?
@Chris'ssis $$\sum_{\substack{k_1,\ \cdots,\ k_n\\ k_1\ne\ \cdots\ \ne k_n}}\frac{1}{m^{k_1+\cdots+k_n}}$$
 
@Alizter Sure.
@Alizter What is hard here?
 
to prove that J(x) - J(x-1) is about x/2
We investigate J^-1 ( J(x) - J(x-1) ) ... and then a contour integral seems usefull.
YOU see now why its intresting ? @BalarkaSen
 
@Chris'ssis Can you do it?
 
@Alizter What is the difficulty there?
 
9:02 PM
@Alizter $k\ge0$ or $k\ge1$?
 
@robjohn from 0
ran out of time for edit damn
 
Balarka is gone
anyone else want to talk further with me ?
 
Huy
I'm off to bed, working early tomorrow. Good night, @Khallil, @Semiclassical, @everyoneelse.
 
Good night, @Huy!
 
bye @Huy
 
9:05 PM
@Alizter so the smallest exponent that $m$ sees is $n(n-1)/2$?
 
@robjohn yes
 
@robjohn I heard you're a computer scientist :) Wanna tell me more pls :)
 
@Chris'ssis In finding the answer. ;)
 
@Alizter Well, you might study a small case, like $n=2$, right?
 
@Chris'ssis Actually I studied $n=2, 3$ then generalised.
 
9:08 PM
50 more points to retire, lol.
 
again?
 
@Alizter Studying the small cases will allow you to solve the general case.
 
@Chris'ssis I know. I can solve this.
 
@JasperLoy Gimme the 12 holy books list
I'm getting them in international versions
cheap ones I guess
 
Oct 6 at 4:00, by Jasper Loy
Marsden and Weinstein: Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III; Cohn: Classic Algebra, Basic Algebra, Further Algebra; Rudin: Mathematical Analysis, Real and Complex Analysis, Functional Analysis; Lee: Topological Manifolds, Smooth Manifolds, Riemannian Manifolds
 
9:10 PM
Now tell me 1 thing
second lemme give u the link
 
@JasperLoy I keep thinking you have 3435 rep. And it is scary.
 
@Alizter I do, network wide. I used to have 20k on Eng and 20k on math, lol.
 
I'll be doing Advanced Calculus, Linear Algebra, Introductory Algebra and Real Analysis next year
Now which of your 12 books will help me master these?
 
@JasperLoy I really like your blue.
 
Seconded
 
9:13 PM
0
Q: Surface of an onion-shaped church tower

myroI am wondering how to calculate surface of the church tower in the picture, for painting purposes. Especially, I am interested in the two 'onion-shaped' parts. I am thinking, that it is not really round, it consists of 6 equal parts, that are twisted, but would look like this on plane: like this:...

 
I did calculus this year(Differential and integral calculus of functions of one variable, differential equations, partial derivatives, vector geometry, matrix algebra, complex numbers, Taylor series) @JasperLoy
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ Marsden, Marsden, Marsden, Rudin for AC and RA. Cohn for LA and IA. The material is spread all over the place, but this is a rough guide.
@Alizter It is called "blue" in GIMP.
 
@robjohn I think it can be done in terms of factorials and lots of sums of geometric series. Something along the lines of summing them over an order n! times
 
@JasperLoy Cheap Apostols vs Marsden?
 
@JasperLoy Can you cook chicken?
 
9:17 PM
@JasperLoy Hoffmanz and Kunze vs Cohn?
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ Both are good. Take your pick, or make your own list!
 
@Alizter : I cannot imagine an answer to that question.
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ Same, both are good for LA.
@Alizter Nope, I can't cook anything.
 
@JasperLoy Ty, I'll now own some of your holybooks
 
@JasperLoy Then start collecting some rep on seasoned advice. ;)
 
9:18 PM
Marsden is cheap ass omg :O I'll buy them all :O
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ Apostol treats topics like probability and ODE too.
 
Apostol is lovely, I love the proofs
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ I advise you to wait for the second edition of Riemannian Manifolds to get it, it will be out earliest next year.
 
Second edition => big bucks
 
hello all
 
9:20 PM
:P
Helloe @Sarah
 
Hey @sarah.
 
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Q: Surface of an onion-shaped church tower

myroI am wondering how to calculate surface of the church tower in the picture, for painting purposes. Especially, I am interested in the two 'onion-shaped' parts. I am thinking, that it is not really round, it consists of 6 equal parts, that are twisted, but would look like this on plane: like this:...

 
hi @Sarah
 
>Onion shaped church tower
 
@Alizter how did your test go?
 
9:20 PM
Onion shaped. lol
 
Ohai @UserX
 
@Sarah oh so you read my email?
 
Hey sab
 
@Alizter I do read them. Replying is another matter.
 
it went okay
 
9:21 PM
@JasperLoy blue
Much better
 
Sarah is a very busy man, lol.
@Sarah Yes. It is called "blue" in GIMP.
 
Why did I read that as "Sarah is a very busty man" ?
Looks like I need sleep
 
oops
I will get in trouble with the mods again.
 
It depends on luck, who is flagging.
 
@Sarah: ... muhahaha
 
9:23 PM
Many things in life depend on luck, that's what they don't teach you in school.
 
@Nick shh.
 
@JasperLoy Does both Volumes of Apostol cover Marsden 3 volumes?
 
in other words Marsden / 3= Apostol / 2?
 
@Jasper: Many things depend on choice.
 
volumes.
 
9:25 PM
@JasperLoy But they teach you probability. All that's left is some interpolation/extrapolation to make a luck graph
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ I would say that the 2 Apostol books and the 3 Marsden books cover about the same material. Apostol is slightly more rigorous in some parts and has some more topics, but that rigour can be made up for in Rudin later on and those topics can be better studied elsewhere later on.
 
@robjohn did you manage to work on it? $$\int_0^{\pi/2} \frac{x \cos^2(x) \cot(x)}{3+\cos(4x)} \ dx =\frac{\pi}{128} \log(9232+6528\sqrt{2})$$
 
My calculus is not that good, I'm going by a syllabus which uses he Stewart book
 
@Alizter try my integral above.
 
not Stewart...
 
9:26 PM
@Sabಠ_ಠ Actually, Stewart is not as bad as some people make it out to be. It has proofs too you know.
 
anyone but Stewart...
 
@Chris'ssis yes I had a go at that.
 
@UserX: You're right but statistical models do not bode well with reality. Try reading ` Fooled by randomness`
 
Stewart Concepts and Context Single Varuable Calculus 4e, I hate it
 
@Alizter Really? Nice.
 
9:26 PM
@Chris'ssis anyresults? No. :P
 
It's a good book to practice questions and parrot them, but that's all there is to it.
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ You really should just have gotten "Calculus" to have both single and multi in one book.
 
hehe, don't worry about it. It's important you dared to touch it ... :-)
 
@JasperLoy I didn't know University Maths would get me to search and read books. I got to know it though when I started reading Stewart
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ It is very interesting that practice is both noun and verb in American English.
@Sabಠ_ಠ Every book will contain something another does not. None contains everything.
 
9:28 PM
Yeah, that's why American English is the best. No need to worry about spelling mistakes
I got Spivak Calculus as well.
The thing is I used Stewart this year.
 
0
Q: How to prove this asymptotic?

mickLet $x>0$. Let $J(x) = \sum_{n=0}^{oo} \dfrac{x^n}{2^{n(n-1)/2} n!}$ Let $J^{-1}(x)$ be the functional inverse of $J(x)$. How to show that for all $x$ there exists a fixed positive real constant $C$ such that $(J^{-1}(J(x)-J(x-1))-\dfrac{x}{2})^2 < C $

 
But I feel I'm not good at all with calculus.
 
@Chris'ssis dats nasty
 
@Jasper:Kill is similar.
 
wonder how long it will take to get a good answer ...
 
9:30 PM
Thing is how important is calculus for doing RA, IA, LA and AC?
 
@JasperLoy So. What is the real reason bieber is gone?
 
@Sarah maybe just a tiny bit. :-)
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ Calculus is important for AC and RA.
 
@mick: Same time it will take for a box of nice delicious hot cheesy pizza to reach your doorstep.
 
@Nick Is it that simple ?? does that imply you know the answer and will post it ?
 
9:31 PM
@Sarah No real reason, I change all the time, lol. I might change to Steven Strait tmr, lol. Have you finally watched The Covenant?
 
@JasperLoy I watched to opening scene the other day. I fell asleep though. I was too tired :P
 
@Chris'ssis haven't worked on it yet
 
@Sarah So you know who Sarah is now?
 
@JasperLoy Does AC == Multivariable Calculus?
 
@JasperLoy I have literally no grip on the plot.
 
9:33 PM
@robjohn OK. I only want to say that it's one of the things you shouldn't miss. Keep it there and give it a try one day.
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ C, AC, RA can mean many different things. One has to look at the content of the course. Even looking at your syllabus it is hard to figure out exactly what level the instructor will treat the topics.
@Sarah OK. Just enjoy eye candy, lol.
 
@mick : No, it does not imply that. Also, I have more faith in the mse community than in your usual pizza guy.
 
@Chris'ssis okay
 
But is Multivariable Calculus the same thing as Advanced Calculus?
 
@JasperLoy They are so tense at that part. They need to relax.
Sarah looks very simple.
 
9:35 PM
@Sarah So let me know how that thing you mentioned goes when you have settled it.
 
@robjohn by the way, that generalisation I showed you is one of the greatest achievements in the last months. Absolutely amazing. (the difficulty level is pretty high, a Ramanujan difficulty level)
 
@Nick how much time do you think it will take ? you convinced that it will be answered within an hour apparantly ?
based on what ?
 
@JasperLoy I would rather watch the Covenant :P
 
@Sarah Hmm, I think you will need to settle it in the end though.
 
eww he threw up
oh no cops
woah twilight forest
 
9:36 PM
Are you fast forwarding?
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ lol i though AC = axiom of choice
 
@JasperLoy I'm giving a live description lol.
 
@Sarah Yes, there is beauty in simplicity, lol.
 
@mick AC = Advanced Calculus. Thing is I wanna prepare for second year maths in my 3 months holidays, so next year I can party
 
@DanielFischer
 
9:38 PM
@JasperLoy The dialogue sounds like english dubbed anime lol.
 
@JasperLoy that's why Apple is so rich, simplicity gets you money
 
@BalarkaSen ?
 
@Sabಠ_ಠ They never got any of my money. But I also have no money, lol.
 
@JasperLoy they never got any of my money nor will ever get :P
Also I'm poor as well :'(
 
I give most of the money to amazon.com
 
9:39 PM
@DanielFischer in $X$ with the discrete metric, $\{x\} = \overline{S_1(x)} \neq S_1[x] = X$.
 
@JasperLoy They drive really dangerously.
 
But I have some questions.
 
@Sarah Are you watching on your laptop or phone?
 
@JasperLoy pc
 
@JasperLoy same :'(
Amazon gets rich with the shipping money I give them :'(
 
9:40 PM
@BalarkaSen I object to the notation $S_r[x]$ (not only because the $S$ should be a $B$, but the brackets are prone to confusion), but yes, that's right.
 
Consider a different situation : Let $(X, d)$ be a metric space. $y$ be a limit point of $S_r(x)$. Then for every $r'$, $S_{r'}(y) \cap S_r(x)$ is nonempty.
takes no notices of @DanielF's notational complaints
 
@BalarkaSen welcome back !! I recently (10 min ago or so ) asked a question that was the inspiration for the question we discussed.
see my last link.
Maybe you can answer ?
 
@DanielFischer Now, let $y$ be outside of $S_r(x)$. Then for every $r'$, there is an element $z$ in $S_{r'}(y) \cap S_r(x)$. $d(x, y) \leq d(x, z) + d(z, y)$ by triangle inequality.
 
@JasperLoy #creepyMotherLove
 
@mick Sorry, I am busy with studying topology.
 
9:45 PM
@BalarkaSen ok upvote and i will forgive you :)
@JasperLoy i starred you. does this get me an anwer or upvote ? :p
 
@BalarkaSen Yes. And the triangle inequality then gives you $d(x,y) \leqslant r$ in the limit.
 
I don't usually upvote a lot of questions meaninglessly, sorry about that too. @mick
 
@mick Neither. But thanks. I will try to like you more for that.
 
@DanielFischer Right as $d(x, y) < r + \varepsilon$ for every $\varepsilon > 0$.
 
9:46 PM
i was joking guys :)
 
@DanielFischer reverse implication also holds. so if $y$ is a lim point of $S_r(x)$ then $d(x, y) \leq r$.
or am I missing something?
wait a sec...
 
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Q: Can you cancel out a term if equal to zero?

Descoladanquick question here: In my proofs class we had a problem that after a little work we end up with: $x(x-y)=(x+y)(x-y)$ where $ x = y $. Now, I know this is pretty basic, but my teacher said that for the next step, one cannot cancel out $(x-y)$ from both sides as $(x-y) = 0 $. Can someone explain...

how and why did this get so much response
 
@UserX This site should not be taken too seriously.
 
@BalarkaSen "reverse implication also holds." <- No.
 
i reckon that
 
9:49 PM
@JasperLoy it is the only site I trust so much
 
i am trying to point a flaw in my logic. $a \leqslant b$ doesn't imply $a < b + \epsilon$ for every positive $\epsilon$ does it?
 
@UserX Learn to think and then trust your own thinking.
 
but it does.
I am confus.
 
@JasperLoy i'm getting sick of sarah.
 
@Sarah Why?
 
9:50 PM
@JasperLoy what's your point?
 
@JasperLoy So far it's just here waggling her assets all over the place.
 
@UserX I mean that once you develop some thinking skills to work through problems, you can apply them to all problems instead of depend too much on others.
 
What about the cute guys. Do they get their shower scenes?
 
@Sarah Yes, later on in the movie, lol.
@BalarkaSen It does, it is elementary.
 
@JasperLoy I know it does.
I am confus.
 
9:52 PM
@BalarkaSen That does hold. But if $d(x,y) = r$, it does not follow that $S_r(x) \cap S_\varepsilon(y) \neq \varnothing$.
 
@BalarkaSen And what is so hard about it? Very simple proof.
 
@JasperLoy Look at the original problem.
@DanielFischer Ah, OK.
 
@JasperLoy something is trivial once you learn it
 
@BalarkaSen Oh OK, that's not my business anymore, lol.
 
why do my question not get more views ?
should i add " intresting function " to title ? :p
 
9:54 PM
It is hard to answer. Why are some people so lucky and others so unlucky?
 
@mick no one whats to look at your muscles :P
 
god and satan @JasperLoy
 
@mick I believe in gods, yes, but not God and Satan.
 
@IceBoy they need to look at the question only
@JasperLoy greek gods ? hindu gods ? gods of math ? Chuck norris ?
 
@JasperLoy Define luck.
 
9:56 PM
I believe in The Book, @mick
 
@mick I'm just kidding pal :-)
 
@BalarkaSen me too. if we are talking about the same ...
 
@mick What are you thinking about?
 
@IceBoy reeeeeaaaallyy ?
 
the same book Erdos was talking about
 
9:58 PM
@BalarkaSen the book of proofs
 
@IceBoy Right
 
@mick If you are not always 15, I might read your questions more and upvote them.
 
@mick By the way, my favorite (nonmathematical) personality is Belgian ;)
 
I dislike people putting false info on their profile when no info is needed.
 
im not Always 15 , i was 14 and will be 16 soon
@BalarkaSen whoooo ?
 
10:00 PM
Manneken Pis
2
 
Tintin!
 
oh dear
kuifje
tintin is french
kuifje is original
 
Ahem. Tintin is Belgian.
 
8 views 36 min ...
 
Oh you mean the original name was Kuifje, @mick
 
10:03 PM
throws table at balarka *
tintin is the French NAME for kuifje !!
 
Could be.
 
IS
 
r9m
a mistake every 4 mins ! no wonder the world keeps getting populated ..
 
@r9m is your entrance included ?
@BalarkaSen sorry bout the table
 
r9m
@mick heh you just noticed .. well lots of people realize after they made a mistake
 
10:08 PM
bye jasper
 
r9m
I was talking about my entrance .. I just realized my mistake after I made it
 
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@mick Well it is not a very descriptive title.
 
r9m
@Balarka hi
 
hello
 
10:10 PM
 
r9m
@BalarkaSen 'sup
 
my topologies, but supremum of what?
 
r9m
well last time I looked up .. seemed pretty limitless :-)
 
10:43 PM
@robjohn this night I'll sleep like a little child full of happiness. :-)
These days seem to be exceptionally productive.
 
@Chris'ssis That's nice... I felt the same way when I discovered a corollary to the Soddy-Gosset Theorem
 
@robjohn What is that corollary?
 
@Chris'ssis Do you know what the Soddy-Gosset Theorem says?
 
1
Q: Proof of Descartes' theorem

rock321987I came across the use of Descartes' theorem while solving a question.I searched it but I could only find the theorem but not any proof.Even Wikipedia also, just states the theorem!!I want to know the procedure to find the radius of the Soddy Circle?? I apologize if its duplicate and to mention ...

 
:18263548 It says that the square of the sum of the curvatures of $n+2$ mutually tangent spheres in $\mathbb{R}^n$ equals $n$ times the sum of the squares of the curvatures.
I actually use it in an answer here somewhere
 
10:48 PM
@robjohn Also see that link above.
 
In any case, my corollary, which I did a lot of research to conclude it was not known in this form, is that the average of the centers of these spheres weighted by their curvatures equals the average of the centers weighted by the square of their curvatures.
Given the centers and curvatures of $n+1$ of the spheres, these two theorems allow you to get not only the radius of the $n+2^{\text{nd}}$ sphere, but the location of its center.
There are actually two possible $n+2^{\text{nd}}$ spheres, but they come as a pair of solutions to the quadratic equation for the radius of the last sphere
@Chris'ssis I wish I had seen that question... I should post my proof... It is much simpler.
 
@robjohn Yeah, I think it might be a good idea if you want to share things.
 
@Chris'ssis Soddy-Gosset is well-known.
 
Hello, One question please : Let $K$ be a non-empty compact, connected.
If the path connected composant of $K$ are reduced to a point, does $K$ is reduced to point too?
 
11:08 PM
@MarcGato Do you distinguish between compact and quasicompact spaces, or between compact spaces and compact Hausdorff spaces?
 
@DanielFischer quasicompact is about Borel-Lebesgue and compact spaces is related to hausdorff : this course will start the next week but it said a few words of it yesterday.
 
@MarcGato So compact means quasicompact and Hausdorff? That's good. On the one hand. On the other, I don't know of a Hausdorff example of a connected quasicompact space whose path-components are all single points. As far as quasicompact spaces are concerned, $\mathbb{N}$ with the cofinite topology gives an example.
 
@DanielFischer Ok. it works, nice. another question (completely not related to the first one), I have seen an exercise where the author started with : Let $T$ be a triangle with integer coordinates, show that the are is 'something with the interior'. How can I define a triangle in term of topology?
I have to prove that the area is $|\mathring{\mathcal{T}} \cap \mathbb{Z}^2| + \frac{1}{2} | \partial \mathcal{T} \cap \mathbb{Z}^2 | - 1$ (just to be complete)
 
11:27 PM
@MarcGato It requires more than just topology. The "integer coordinates" strongly indicate that the ambient space is an $\mathbb{R}^n$ (most likely $\mathbb{R}^2$), and there you can define a triangle as the convex hull of three points. You can do it more generally, on nice enough Riemannian manifolds, you can define triangles with arbitrary vertices, but you need more than just topology.
@MarcGato Pick's formula, $\mathbb{R}^2$ hence.
You have a naive notion of the interior and exterior of a triangle there. That happens to be correct.
 
@DanielFischer So if I understand correctly for this exercise I need more that topology? So I will leave this exercise for later.
 
@MarcGato Or less than topology. It's geometry, not topology.
 
^^ right. Thanks, time to sleep: Good night (seems you are living in Germany).
 
@huy---Noticed this on Wikipedia (see here), and it looks like a more general version of the result you're interested in (with a rescaling of the integration variable) $$\dfrac{d}{dt}e^{X(t)}=\int_0^1 e^{\alpha X(t)}\dfrac{dX}{dt}e^{(1-\alpha)X(t)}$$
@huy: it's without proof, alas, but there may be some useful references on that page
 
11:44 PM
I just got ignored.
Does anyone understand what this question is asking?
....*tumbleweeds*
 
@MattN. If I understand it correctly, Eric wanted to see the additivity of the derivative of a differentiable function by manipulating difference quotients for directional derivatives. Ted's answer told him that that doesn't work.
 
@MattN! Long time!
 

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