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10:16 AM
solve for n_2,n_3 in terms of n_1 and you have a system of linear diophantine equations, which you then throw at a number theorist
or apply the chinese remainder theorem or some such
 
10:43 AM
@AnthonyCarapetis How would one apply the CRT?
 
@Alizter if $x$ is the common value of those three expressions, then you know $x$ modulo 13, 14 and 15
 
Maybe I should note that I am trying to find $a$ such that what I said is also equal to $a$.
 
That doesn't change anything, any solution with n_i integers will give you an integer a.
 
Okay just checking
 
Since 13,14,15 are coprime it really is just the CRT straight up
 
11:00 AM
@TobiasKildetoft I am having trouble understanding what you mean by common value
 
@Alizter the same as your $a$
 
The middle one mod 14 = 7
Okay I have the concurrences so now all I have to do is apply the theorem
 
11:15 AM
Is there an example of an Hausdorff space where a compact subset is not bounded?
 
@JayeshBadwaik what do you mean bounded?
(I mean, how does bounded make sense if it is not a metric space)
 
Ohh Sorry, I meant to say, a metric space. Not hausdorff.
 
ahh, ok
(and all metric spaces are of course Hausdorff)
in that case, no, any compact subset is bounded
 
Okay.
 
since otherwise, it will be covered by the union of open balls of growing radii
 
11:19 AM
Ahh, its easy to prove I think.
 
and clearly not by any finite sollection of those
 
Yeah, finite balls of finite radius should form a finite subcover.
Thanks. :-)
 
 
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12:37 PM
@TobiasKildetoft I did the CTR but it produced an absurd result. I do not know where I went wrong.
$$\begin{align}
a&\equiv0\pmod{13}\\a&\equiv7\pmod{14}\\a&\equiv0\pmod{15}
\end{align}$$
$$a=13_n1+78=14n_2+91=15n_3+120$$
$$a=7\cdot14\cdot13$$According to CTR
Is there something wrong with using CTR?
 
@Alizter: how is that applying the CRT? That's clearly 0 mod 14.
 
@AnthonyCarapetis $14n_2+91\not\equiv0\pmod{14}$
 
@Alizter: I'm talking about the $a$ you gave at the end. How did you arrive at that expression?
 
$a=B_1X_1C_1+B_2X_2C_2+B_3X_3C_3$
$b_i$ is the mod operand
$C_i$ is the RHS of congurence
If $C_i$ is zero for 1's and 3's then they cancel out leaving $a=B_2X_2C_2$
$B=b_1\cdot b_2\cdot b_3$
$B_n=B/b_n$
$B_2$ must be $7\cdot13$
$14$ is $C_2$
I think this is where the mistake is
 
12:52 PM
So $X_2$ is the inverse of $B_2$ mod $b_2$, right?
 
$B_2X_2\equiv1\pmod{b_2}$
 
yup that's right
 
$182X_2\equiv1\pmod{14}$
Now i see the error
I just went ahead and said $X_2 = 1$
Hmmm I do not know how to solve from here
 
Shouldn't $B_2 = 13 \cdot 15 = 195$?
Which has a very easy inverse mod 14
 
hmmm okay
 
12:57 PM
$(14-1)(14+1) = 14^2 - 1 \equiv -1 $ mod $14$
much nicer, never write down a three digit number if you don't have to >_>
 
What does >_> mean?
 
@AnthonyCarapetis bored and looking to te left
 
something like that
Anyway @Alizter I get a correct four-digit $a$
just be careful with the computations
 
Now the problem is within my predecessor computations. The answer is supposed to be less than 1000.
@AnthonyCarapetis Can you check my reasoning?
 
@Alizter: The CRT gives all the solutions - they're exactly $a + n 13 \cdot 14 \cdot 15$ for each $n \in \mathbb Z$. Pretty sure there are no answers with magnitude less than 1000.
 
1:03 PM
Here is the question
What is the smallest positive integer that can be expressed as the sum of eleven consecutive positive integers, the sum of twelve consecutive positive integers, and the sum of thirteen consecutive positive integers?
So i assume using triangle numbers
$$T_{n_1+12}-T_{n_1}=T_{n_2+13}-T_{n_2}=T_{n_3+14}-T_{n_3}=a$$
Am I correct?
 
I think you're off by two
 
Where?
 
or maybe just one
 
Oooh I messed up big time
 
yeah :P
 
1:07 PM
Bangs head against desk
 
You know how to solve it now, have fun with the new numbers!
 
@AnthonyCarapetis Thank you for your help!
 
@alizter: No problem. According to mathematica our answer was correct for the modified problem a == Sum[k, {k, m, m + 12}] == Sum[k, {k, n, n + 13}] ==
Sum[k, {k, p, p + 14}]
 
Oh that's good
 
1:25 PM
@AnthonyCarapetis I cannot apply CRT
or can I
my modulus operands are 12, 13, 14
but 14 shares divisors with 12 so isn't peicewise coprime?
 
Correct. What are the $C_i$? The CRT still works for certain values
In particular you need $C_1 \equiv C_3$ mod $2$
 
1:47 PM
@robjohn congratulations! I missed that mistake in the achille's answer!
 
@AnthonyCarapetis Okay I shall proceed
@AnthonyCarapetis So I got $$\begin{align}a&\equiv6\pmod{12}\\ a&\equiv0\pmod{13}\\ a&\equiv7\pmod{14}\end{align}$$
 
@Alizter: Are you sure? That has no solutions.
(to see this take the first and last congruences mod 2)
 
They are equvilent
 
They're contradictory.
The first one implies $a$ is even, the last implies $a$ is odd.
 
hmm Shall I show you the equivalence that I derrived using the triangle method?
$$12n_1+66=13n_2+78=14n_3+91=a$$
 
1:57 PM
I think it's still wrong
should have moduli 11,12,13 >_<
if there's eleven consecutive integers then it's $n_1$ to $n_1 + 10$ which is $55 + 11n_1$
 
OH so I am now required to count
BACK TO THE START
 
OKAY
$$11n_1+55=12n_2+66=13n_2+78=a$$
$$\begin{align}a&\equiv0\pmod{11}\\ a&\equiv6\pmod{12}\\ a&\equiv0\pmod{13}\end{align}$$
 
@robjohn I'm glad my bounty goes to you. :-) (I still wonder why I missed that point in achille's answer ... I think sometimes our mind makes us believe things are OK when one strongly believes in the power of a person of making right things)
It's something there that makes you unable to see the mistakes.
@robjohn or maybe because of too less sleep (5 hours/ night)
 
2:18 PM
@AnthonyCarapetis How can I evaluate $$195X_2\equiv1\pmod{13}$$
 
@Alizter: surely that shouldn't still be 195
and shouldn't that be mod 12
 
the mod is a typo sorry
but it should be 195
oh wait 143
 
Anyway the exact trick I used earlier works...
you're trying to invert (12-1)(12+1) mod 12
 
Can you explain what you mean by invert in this context? @AnthonyCarapetis
 
@Alizter: Given $z = (12-1)(12+1)$ you're looking for $y$ such that $zy \equiv 1$, i.e. $y \equiv z^{-1}$ - that is, $y$ is the multiplicative inverse of $z$ when working modulo 12.
 
2:40 PM
I get 11 is this correct?
as the smallest natrual
 
You mean as $143^{-1}$ mod 12? That's right
easiest way to see it is write $(12-1)(12+1)=12^2 - 1 \equiv -1$ mod 12
and $-1$ is always its own inverse.
 
so as the FINAL answer I have $$13\cdot15\cdot6\cdot11$$
Which is still wrong X_X
Wait no
$11\times13 ([B_2])\times 6 ([C_2]) \times 11 ([X_2])$
 
Where's that 11 out the front coming from?
 
The last one?
 
The first one
 
2:49 PM
$B_2=B/b_2$
$B=11*12*13$
 
oh right
 
so it should be 12
the answer is still incorrect though
oh wait its right but still incorrect
 
It's a solution to the congruences but you want one with three digits
 
Yup
 
so apply what the CRT tells you about the solutions
 
2:51 PM
-1, 11, 23
It cannot be negative
 
Right, just changing the representation of $X_2$ isn't going to help you
you need to use the fact that if $a$ solves the congruences then so does $a \pm B$
try to add some integer multiple of $B$ to get what you want
 
I am confused
 
Adding a multiple of $b_i$ doesn't change congruences mod $b_i$
so if you add a number that's a multiple of all three moduli then it won't change any of them
 
@AnthonyCarapetis sorry brb in an hour
 
3:16 PM
@Chris'ssis Whee! thanks! I wondered how he got a better estimate on the lower bound, and when I looked I realized it was too good. It essentially implies that $a_n=n/2$, which is obviously false.
@Chris'ssis Ouch! I didn't notice, until I just looked, that achille deleted his answer. He could have found a way to get the lower bound. Maybe there is no other easy way; I haven't looked.
 
3:38 PM
Guys two questions, is an element of surface defined for a Mobius strip, surely if we can describe it parametrically we can at least have a go, and just choose limits very carefully.
Also is this a joke: let $f(x)=c$ and $g(x)=e^x$ the product function, $fg$ is afraid of which differential operator.
It's on a paper, really, I think it's poor joke?
 
@AlecTeal: re the surface element on a mobius strip you may be interested in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_on_a_manifold
 
@AnthonyCarapetis that's a bit above me but I know how to get an element of surface area.
 
@AlecTeal: when the surface is non-orientable, you can get an area measure but you lose the notion of orientation
so for example flux integrals of vector fields can't be defined
 
So basically, you can find dS, you just can't do anything with it.
 
Haha, you can still integrate functions
 
3:50 PM
But nothing of any interest?
 
@AlecTeal: depends what you find interesting I guess...
 
@AlecTeal OK I see
 
4:05 PM
@Alizter you got the joke?
Explain to me.
Another question "what is a Cantenna and what is it useful for"
WTF?
 
@AlecTeal No no something that he was explaining earlier
 
4:26 PM
So what the heck is this chat about?
LOL.
 
4:55 PM
@AnonymousPi preferably math, but most topics are tolerated :-)
 
user87637
@AnonymousPi This chat is about how to make you LOL.
 
@Jasper It's just a party here!
 
user87637
@robjohn Yeah, and on the weekends, the kids go somewhere else to party!
 
@Jasper No, I distinctly remember seeing you here last weekend :-p
 
user87637
@robjohn I am not a kid, I am 32 already!
 
5:08 PM
@Jasper Depending on your POV, that is a kid :-)
 
user87637
@robjohn You are pretty young yourself, depending on your POV!
 
How do I find the largest values for XYZ? $$x-x^2+y-y^2+z-z^2=-1$$
 
@Alizter There might be a slick way, but lacking that, I would just apply calculus of variations.
$(1-2x)\delta x+(1-2y)\delta y+(1-2z)\delta z=0\implies yz\delta x+zx \delta y+xy\delta z=0$
So it looks as if the critical values are when $x=y=z$
 
About 99.9% of stuff here is just random math stuff...
BTW, who started this chat, anyway? He must have like a million rep by now...
 
Perhaps there is some other solution to $\frac{1-2x}{yz}=\frac{1-2y}{zx}=\frac{1-2z}{xy}$
@AnonymousPi I think it was started by one of the community team
 
5:22 PM
@Jasper You were WAY younger when this chat started...
 
5:43 PM
@robjohn It is a sphere so I expect there to be critical points where you said.
 
5:54 PM
@Alizter Sorry, I was out getting plumbing supplies. Now that i look at the equations I posted, if multiplied by $xyz$ they become $x-2x^2=y-2y^2=z-2z^2$...
 
6:28 PM
Heya
 
6:44 PM
Yo
 
7:11 PM
$a$ and $b$ are positive integers such that
$$\sum^{2^{100}-1}_{n=4}\lfloor\log_2n\rfloor=a\cdot2^b$$
 
7:23 PM
find $a+b$ when $a$ is odd
 
7:34 PM
no
 
8:12 PM
hi guys
 
hi guy
 
how are you doing , skullie ?
 
fine thanks, how are you?
 
fine too
just a moment
@Alizter hi i think you can use

$$ 2^{k-1} \leq n < 2^k \Rightarrow \left \lfloor \log_2 n \right \rfloor = k-1 $$
@Alizter ?????????!!
 
8:40 PM
@Alizter $$ \sum_{n=2^2}^{2^{100} - 1} \lfloor \log_2 n \rfloor = \sum_{n = 2^2}^{2^3-1} 2 + \sum_{n=2^3}^{2^4 - 1} 3 + \cdots \cdots + \sum_{n=2^{99}}^{2^{100} - 1} 99 $$
$$ = 2\left( 2^3-2^2 \right) + 3 \left( 2^4 - 2^3 \right) + \cdots \cdots + 99 \left( 2^{100} - 2^{99} \right) $$

$$ 2 \times 2^2 + 3 \times 2^3 + \cdots \cdots + 99 \times 2^{99} $$
$$ \Rightarrow \sum_{n = 2}^{99} n2^n = a \times 2^b $$
evaluating the sum is easy
 
Greeting noble souls
 
hello
 
@what'sup hi
 
@Chris'ssis how are you doing ? =)
 
@what'sup thanks for the question! :-) This evening I created a question I'd like to propose for a high school contest.
 
8:50 PM
@Chris'ssis what question ???!!
sorry just a moment brb
 
@what'sup Compute elementarily without derivatives $$\lim_{x\to0}\frac{(1+x) (1+2x)^{1/2}(1+3x)^{1/3}\cdots (1+nx)^{1/n}-1}{x}$$
 
just a moment
i'm back
evaluate $$ \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\prod_{k=1}^n \left(1 + kx \right)^{\frac{1}{k}} - 1 }{x} $$
ok
we can evaluate : $$ \prod_{k=1}^n (1 + kx)^{\frac{1}{k}} $$ @Chris'ssis
sorry i'm going to see some questions .
good bye =)
@Chris'ssis
 
@what'sup don't you like my question? :-)
Sorry then ...
 
@Chris'ssis i like all the questions
i will try in it
 
@what'sup glad to hear that! ;-)
 
9:04 PM
@Chris'ssis good bye now :) =) :-)
 
@what'sup ok, bye
 
@Chris'ssis Did you see my middle school number theory question?
 
@skullpatrol cute. I upvoted. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis Thank you :D
 
@skullpatrol :D
 
9:10 PM
@Chris'ssis Imho a lot of kids get turned off by math because the teacher doesn't explain how something was magically pulled out of a hat.
As my question asks...
 
@skullpatrol That's right. The big problem is that no one teaches you how to think on your own without help ... and many kids believe that their teachers are endowed with some magical powers and that's why they are able to solve all kinds of problems. No one tells them that the teachers worked many years to get a certain level in math, that there is about a huge amount of work.
 
@Chris'ssis Agreed.
 
@Chris'ssis Yep. So, where did that high school thingy come from?
 
@PeterTamaroff I'm afraid I don't understand your question.
 
@Chris'ssis What motivated the problem set up, don't know how to say it.
 
9:27 PM
@PeterTamaroff hard to say. I like many others things (not only math). I like very much the creation process in everything I do.
 
9:42 PM
@what'sup Sorry i was out
 
@PeterTamaroff some time ago I entered a university with a perfect score, only problems from high school (but hard ones), and I can say that during the learning period I fell in love with those questions, very nice questions. (I dropped that university after a while)
 
@Chris'ssis Oh, how old are you?
 
@PeterTamaroff I'm young.
 
@Chris'ssis I'm also young. It's OK if you don't want to tell your age, many people choose not to.
@Chris'ssis I have one for you. $$\int_0^\infty \frac{\sin^4 t}{t^3}dt=\log 2$$
@Argon Maybe you can solve it?
 
10:01 PM
@PeterTamaroff I think I can. 1 sec
 
hi @Alizter so what do you think ? (is it a challenge or a question )
 
@what'sup That is some good work. I am kinda busy at the moment getting ready for first day of school tomorrow. Tomorrow when I get back I will have a proper look at it. Thank you for the help!
 
@Alizter you're welcome . =)
@Argon 1 sec , 2 sec , 3 sec , 4 sec , ....
 
@what'sup I am busy
I have to finish my schoolwork first
 
Hello
 
10:09 PM
@Argon ok :-)
;)
hi @Jacobadtr
 
How are you doing?
 
fine thanks , and you ?
 
Not too bad thanks
Can I ask a potentially silly question?
 
Associated with Math.SE; for both general discussion & math questions alike. Just ask; don't ask to ask. Rarely if ever expressible as a ratio of integers. See below for guidelines.
 
@Jacobadtr You must determine whether it is silly first. That is the first rule, duh.
 
10:12 PM
teenage boy is back :)
 
hi @mick
 
@what'sup hey ! wassup ? :p
 
I don't think it's too silly, but it's probably the kind of question that when I find the answer, i'll kick myself for not realising :P
Hi Mick
 
@Jacobadtr hi
 
@mick good
 
10:13 PM
Is there a 'function' for finding the proper divisors of a number
?
It's one of those things that my brain just does, without really thinking about it
 
the proper divisor function ?? :p
ah you probably want the set , not just the count
 
@Jacobadtr Are you really asking for an algorithm, or do you want me to name and describe a function from $\mathbb N$ to the powerset of $\mathbb N$?
 
:p
 
<--- complete amateur here...

I've just started a book on elementary number theory and i'm writing a program for finding perfect numbers
 
I asked 2 reasonable questions today ... imho
 
10:16 PM
I need to construct a way of getting the proper divisors of a number
 
@Jacobadtr There is a theorem that gives you all perfect even numbers.
 
@Jacobadtr we are all amateurs in number theory ... if you think otherwise , try to prove RH and then reconsider :p
 
@Jacobadtr Ah, recursion is your friend. Find a prime divisor, divide it out and determine the divisors of the quotient.
 
I haven't started my undergrad year in physics yet @mick
 
If $2^n-1$ is prime, then $2^{n-1}(2^n-1)$ is an (even) perfect number, and all even perfect numbers are of this form.
 
10:18 PM
@mick are you really 14 ?
 
@PeterTamaroff of all topics of number theory , i do not see why there is so much fuss about perfect numbers ...
 
@mick Because no-one has been able to find odd perfect numbers, or refute their existence.
 
@what'sup unfortunately. i want to be irresistable to women :)
 
But I am guessing they have some other interesting properties, dunno.
 
@PeterTamaroff That's Euler's work right?
 
10:19 PM
Why do we really care about twin primes?
 
@Jacobadtr Euclid and Euler.
 
@mick hahahaha :-)
 
@KarlKronenfeld Do you know Brun's Theorem?
 
@PeterTamaroff yes but it seems such a random number theory question
to me at least
 
@PeterTamaroff Is it the one about the constant?
 
10:19 PM
@mick Anything can be cataloged as random, it seems.
@KarlKronenfeld It is the theorem that the sum of the reciprocals of twin primes converges, even if there are infinitely many.
 
@PeterTamaroff apart from deterministic :)
 
@PeterTamaroff That's what I was thinking of, so what?
 
@KarlKronenfeld Dunno, strikes me as very interesting.
 
@KarlKronenfeld because we are embarresed to tell little kids we do not understand such a simple concept and hope to find a solution before we have kids ourselves :D
 
Hah!
Kids!
The probability function for that is too damn low!
 
10:22 PM
@N3buchadnezzar statistics is not math !!
every crank can use some handwaving statistics and claim proof for say collatz , twins and RH :)
 
@mick And earn money fame and wealth on it unlike mathematicians.
 
besides NATURALLY low probability events are COOL
@N3buchadnezzar no , he just confirms he is a crank and a loser...
 
@PeterTamaroff I don't like number theory because I don't get anything out of that kind of stuff.
 
@mick :p
 
@KarlKronenfeld you should learn the PNT proof then.
 
10:25 PM
@Chris'ssis If you want to learn from the best, get the book "Problems and Theorems in Analysis" and "Inequalities". The first one is from Polya and Szego, the second is Polya, Littlewood and Hardy. If you cannot find them, let me know.
 
@mick I have.
 
@KarlKronenfeld "...get anything out of..." as in?
 
@KarlKronenfeld :p
 
@KarlKronenfeld wasnt it wonderfull ?
@PeterTamaroff as in getting laid :)
 
@PeterTamaroff In other words, I don't take interest in it and moreover, I don't feel motivated by it.
 
10:26 PM
@KarlKronenfeld do you like AC ?
 
@KarlKronenfeld Hm, OK. Each mad man with his madness.
@mick OK, no.
 
@mick Which abbreviation is that?
 
@KarlKronenfeld axiom of choice
 
@KarlKronenfeld Axiom of Choice, prolly.
 
whats a prolly ?
 
10:27 PM
@mick I use it constantly, so I guess I have to like it.
 
@KarlKronenfeld bading tzz
you HAVE THE CHOICE NOT TO bading tzzzz
 
@mick Set theory is less dry than number theory in my opinion. :P
 
@KarlKronenfeld i disagrr
 
@KarlKronenfeld me too
 
@mick You can have your opinion too.
 
10:29 PM
@KarlKronenfeld God has given me free will ... to dislike the axiom of choice :)
 
@PeterTamaroff thanks!
@PeterTamaroff does that question work by differentiation under the integral sign? This is my first thought.
 
i have a challenge (mix between set theory and number theory)
 
@what'sup the cardinality of prime twins ? :p
 
@Ethan hey
@Ethan I wanted interested in some of the questions you posted ... but you deleted them
 
10:34 PM
@Chris'ssis $$\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{n^{2013}}{e^{2\pi n}-1}=\frac{\zeta(2014)(2013)!}{(2\pi)^{2014}}$$
Didn't you ask about that a while ago
 
@Ethan do you have a proof for it?
 
@mick nope
 
@Chris'ssis I couldn't make it work.
 
@N3buchadnezzar :p
 
10:35 PM
I have one that uses an inverse mellin transform, and some residue calculus
Basically if $k>1$, $k\equiv 1 \text{ mod 4}$, then
$$\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac{n^k}{e^{2\pi n}-1}=\frac{\zeta(k+1)\Gamma(k+1)}{(2\pi)^{k+1}}$$
It can be stated in this really nice form
If $k>1, k\equiv 1 \text{ mod 4}$
$$\int_{0}^\infty\frac{\lfloor{t}\rfloor^k}{e^{2\pi \lfloor{t}\rfloor}-1} dt=\int_{0}^\infty\frac{t^k}{e^{2\pi t}-1}dt$$
 
@PeterTamaroff yes, it works with the help of Mathematica. The differentiation under the integral sign seems to work fine. I'll also think to change its appearance and use some results met in complex analysis.
 
@Chris'ssis Share, braw.
 
I used the case $$\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{n}{e^{2\pi n}-1}=\frac{1}{24}-\frac{1}{8\pi}$$ Along with some q series identities to get, $$\frac{1}{\pi}=\frac{1}{3}-8\sum_{n=1}^\infty e^{-2\pi n^2}n\coth(\pi n)-2\sum_{n=1}^\infty e^{-2\pi n^2}\text{csch}(\pi n)^2$$
The first 3 summands give like 18 correct digits
 
@PeterTamaroff I used $$I(\alpha)=\int_0^\infty \frac{\sin^4 t}{t^3} e^{-t \alpha} dt$$
@PeterTamaroff I didn't put things on paper but used Mathematica to finish the work.
 
@Chris'ssis wow i think i have to sleep i didn't think in it at all
 
10:40 PM
@PeterTamaroff differentiate 3 times with respect to $\alpha$
 
you'll get constants
 
@what'sup sure.
 
@Chris'ssis so ??
then you should give initial conditions
 
@what'sup Ping me with the challenge whenever you decide to post it.
 
10:44 PM
does $x^{logy} = y^{logx}$?
 
@TheoretiCAL taking logarithms $\ln(y)\ln(x)=\ln(y)\ln(x)$ so yes
 
@TheoretiCAL Funnily enough, yes. And it is due to the commutativity of multiplication of real numbers.
 
@PeterTamaroff I'm sure the result can be got by some elegant manipulations that also involve the use of the integration by parts. Now I need to get some sleep but I'll compute it in more ways.
 
thanks, I couldn't believe it at first
 
11:05 PM
$$ \huge{where \space are \space you \space guys ????} $$
twink said : what is greater ? pi^3 or 3^pi ?

did someone solve it ?
 
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Q: Conjectures about zeta functions and poles

mickLet $p^*_n$ be the $n$ th element of a subset of primes such that $p^*_{n+1}>p^*_n$ and $p^*_n < O((n+2) ln((n+2))^3)$. Define $f(z)$ as the analytic continuation of $\prod_{n>0} (1+\dfrac{1}{p^{*^z}_n-1})$. The analytic continuation is to the largest possible domain. If there is no natural boun...

@what'sup THINK !
nvmd
 
@what'sup $\pi\log 3-3\log\pi=\pi\log3-3\log3-3\log(\pi-3)=(\pi-3)\log3+(-3\log(\pi-3))$. Both summands are positive. Thus, $3^{\pi}>\pi^3$.
Oops.
$\pi-3$ should be $\pi/3$, and that completely ruins the proof.
 
@mick i solved it already :p :p :p
 
anyone into my question ?
 
11:22 PM
Quick Q, what rule in particular causes $7^{logn^2}$ to dominate $logn^{logn}$? Exponents with base exponents dominate standard exponents? Or which rule applies? Thanks!
(as $n \to \infty$)
 
bye
 
11:36 PM
$$ f(x) = \frac{\ln x }{x} \Rightarrow f'(x) = \frac{1 - \ln x}{x^2} < 0 \Rightarrow x > e $$

$$ \Rightarrow f \ \mathrm{is \ descreasing \ on \ ]e,\infty[ } $$

$$ 3 < \pi \Rightarrow f(3) > f(\pi) \Rightarrow \frac{\ln 3 }{3} > \frac{\ln \pi}{\pi} $$

$$ \Rightarrow 3^{\pi} > \pi^3 $$
bye =)
i'm here again i can't sleep O_O
 
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