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10:00 PM
@Ethan you proved that there is no solution when $n\ge 97$ ?
 
yes, pourjour
Supose $x$ did have a common factor with $97$
Sense $97$ is prime this means x must be of the form $97k$
 
@Ethan yeah I get it thanks
 
but If we have $(97k)^{35}\equiv 2$ mod 97
then $0\equiv 2$ mod 97
which cant be true
 
@Ethan we get a contradiction
 
@WillJagy Will do Will! Will do!
I am actually working on it, right now.
One page?
 
10:03 PM
@Peter, yes, one page is fine.
 
@WillJagy OK, I'll TeX it up. I have big handwriting.
 
Good day/evening to you all
 
@Peter, I see. I had them install Latex on this machine. It is easy, and my writing is poor. Also, I get to preview things before putting on MSE, or the arXiv, or whatever.
 
Good evening!
 
is that true that any products of 5 successive numbers is divisible by 5
and generally n successive numbers is divisible by n
 
10:08 PM
@pourjour, yes. For prime $n$ you need $n,$ for composite $n$ fewer is enough
 
@WillJagy I can compile it into a PDF, I think I got it.
 
@WillJagy how about for sum is it correct
 
Good (random part of day) to everyone
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@Peter, good, it is certainly not hard to prove. The intuition for it is something else.
 
@WillJagy Hmm, I am missing the intuition then.
 
10:10 PM
@OldJohn Good ass hat to you too, Sir.
 
@JonasTeuwen :)
 
@OldJohn Good evening, Johns
 
@Charlie Hi again
 
:D
 
@Peter, I meant I don't have intuition for it either. Sometimes you prove something, then when you use it enough you understand it a little.
 
10:13 PM
@WillJagy Hehe, yes =)
 
You gotta proof like Jagy, you gotta proof like Jagy, you gotta proooof like Jagy
 
Bootstrapping intuition.
Is that with lots of alcohol?
 
@Charlie, exactly. When you are all big and grown up, you can prove things any way you like.
 
hahaha
I won't grow up more!
 
You will only shrink from now one.
 
10:17 PM
yep :(
 
@pourjour Even more is true, the product of $n$ consecutive integers is divisible by $n!$, not just $n$
@pourjour You can see this by looking at the binomial coeiffient
@pourjour $$\binom{a+n}{n}$$
 
@Charlie, you and Peter Pan...
 
note that this is equal to $\frac{(a+1)(a+2)(a+3)...(a+n)}{n!}$
And sense this is always an integer, the result follows
 
@WillJagy people think I'm under 18. actualy under 16..it's bizarre
a woman asked if i was 12
O.o
 
@Ethan thanks for the infos :)
 
10:20 PM
@Charlie, maybe if you let your beard grow
 
@WillJagy it's what i as thinking
hahahahahah
 
@pourjour Similar notions of divisibility can be used to constrain the number of primes between $n$ and $2n$ using the central binomial coeifient, this was used by erdos in a proof of bertands postulate
 
Is $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}$ not a subgroup of $\mathbb{Z}$?
 
@Ethan this seems advanced a little bit
 
@pourjour No atleast not imo, this can be used to obtain the correct asymptotic order of the prime counting function
 
10:22 PM
@Charlie, you can let the hair on your legs grow, walk around in skirts and let people see that. Fewer doubts that way
 
@WillJagy you're exaggerating, I don't wear skirts
 
@Charlie, My God, you walk around naked?
What would Somaye think?
 
/me walked in at the wrong time
 
@WillJagy only intelligent people see my clothes
hahah
 
@Charlie, Hans Christian Anderson
 
10:24 PM
@Charlie That's bad.
 
@WillJagy i love his works, my fav is Red shoes
 
@WillJagy Like Frida Kahlo?
 
@JonasTeuwen hehehe
 
@pourjour you start out by noting that $\binom{2n}{n} =\frac{(2n)!}{n!^2}$ is always an integer, and is divisible by all the primes between $n$ and $2n$, this allows one to obtain the estimate $\sum_{p\leq n}\ln(p)\leq n\ln(4)$
where it turns out $\sum_{p\leq x}\ln(p)\sim x$
 
If you do that, there is nothing left to you other than cultivate a personality before the 'boom effect' hits in on you.
 
10:26 PM
@WillJagy My idea is failing to succeed.
 
is there a reason I have never formally been taught what ZFC? I'm in college now and have taken the introductory number theory course but never formally learned the base axioms of math it seems
 
@Ethan cool
:)
 
@Charlie, I did visit Copenhagen for a day on the way to Sweden. I walked out into the water, my idea was to kiss the statue of The Little Mermaid, which I did. But I took to long to get back down, all the tourists with cameras yelled at me.
 
@WillJagy COOL
 
@pourjour
I made a slight error it should be the logarithm of the primes between $n$ and $2n$
 
10:28 PM
@Peter, just send me a one-line email saying "This is Me" and I will send you a proof later.
 
@DanZimm Take a course in set theory.
 
unfortunately i dont think my uni offers it
 
Make sure to include a pic.
@DanZimm Get a better uni.
 
Learn it by yourself\
 
He asked about a course.
 
10:29 PM
@Ethan I'm still trying to get the the full idea
 
it seems difficult to learn by myself
 
@pourjour Ye I don't really have the intuition all the way down I wouldn't worry about it
 
it's 1 pm maybe I should sleep
 
What kind of weird ass time zone is that?
 
you mean 1 am
?
 
10:33 PM
@Ethan do you have any good resources (maybe a good book or something) for teaching yourself it?
 
It is 00:35 here.
Moszakovics or something similar.
Springer UTM.
 
@Ethan hhhh maybe
 
@WillJagy The "only" thing I need to do is show that $$\sum_{d=1}^n f(d)\left\lfloor \frac n d\right\rfloor+\sum_{d\mid n+1}f(d)=\sum_{d=1}^{n+1}f(d)\left\lfloor \frac {n+1} d\right\rfloor$$ This depends on the relation between $n$ and $n+1$, and thus of their divisors.
 
@DanZimm If your looking for video lectures, you could try khan academy, mit open courseware, or coursera
 
bye
 
10:34 PM
im moreso into reading but yea I was going to check out those places
 
@PeterTamaroff Dude. That's fucked up.
 
@JonasTeuwen Yo mamma's.... WAIT. What?
 
@WillJagy peter, are you attempting to prove $$\sum_{k=1}^n\sum_{d\mid k}f(d)=\sum_{k=1}^nf(k)[\frac{n}{k}]$$
 
@Ethan I am not attempting. I am proving it!
2
=D
 
@WillJagy define the indicator $c_d(n)$ to be $1$ if $n$ is divisible by $d$ and $0$ otherwise
So that its periodic in $d$
 
10:37 PM
@Ethan, that looks right. Peter posted it a few hours ago, it is in Landau's book without explanation. There is a proof by induction that I found. Your indicator function seems to be my exact idea.
 
and $\sum_{1\leq d} c_d(n)f(d)=\sum_{d\mid n}f(d)$
Now note that
 
Will you not steal Willy's ideas in the future?
 
$$\sum_{n\leq x} f(n)c_d(n)=\sum_{n\leq {x/d}}f(d)$$, because $c_d(n)$ is zero everywhere $n$ is not divisible by $d$ and there are only [x/d] multiples of $d$ less then or equal to $x$
$\sum_{n\leq x} f(n)c_d(n)=f(d)[\frac{x}{d}]$
Now sum over the $d's$ greater then 1
so that
$$\sum_{n\leq x} \sum_{1\leq d}f(n)c_d(n)=\sum_{d\ge 1} f(d)[\frac{x}{d}]$$
 
@Ethan I did divide my sum into $d\mid n$ and $d\not\mid n$, but did not attempt to introduce an indicator function.
 
10:40 PM
@Jonas, it was Willy Ley the rocket guy, but I was Willie as a child.
 
Does not matter to me, Sir.
Willy is fine for me.
 
In fact, I used $$\lfloor \frac {n+1}d\rfloor-\lfloor n/d\rfloor=1$$ in $$\sum_{d\mid n+1}f(d)$$ that is $$\sum_{d\mid n+1}f(d)=\sum_{d\mid n+1}f(d)\left(\lfloor \frac {n+1}d\rfloor-\lfloor n/d\rfloor\right)$$
 
@PeterTamaroff I think introducing the periodic indicator function is more natural it allows one to more readily see how to get asymptotics of arithmetic functions on polynomials for example, $\sum_{n\leq x} f(n^2+1)$
 
@WillJagy how cutie
 
Techniques of this sort can give herustics for some of the hardy littlewood conjectures
 
10:42 PM
and I am hoping to get some cancelling.
 
@Charlie, him with Werner von Braun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Ley
 
@PeterTamaroff to prove that $[\frac{n+1}{d}]-[\frac{n}{d}]$ is zero unless $n$ is divisible by $d$
verify that, that expression is periodic in $d$
 
@Ethan Aha.
 
@WillJagy :)
 
so you need only consider the residues $1,2,3,...d$
Show that all these are zero, except $d$
 
10:43 PM
@WillJagy what about Billy, anyone calls you Billy?
 
@WillJagy Now it is all spoilt.
 
This means the function is zero everywhere except $d,2d,3d,...$
Because its periodic in $d$
Which means its zero everywhere except when $n$ is divisible by $d$
@PeterTamaroff you can estimate combinatoral sums of this sort even better in some cases by spliting each divisor sum across two different patches of divisors, a varient of this is the dirichlet hyperbola method
For example, $$\sum_{n\leq x} [\frac{x}{n}]=2\sum_{n\leq x^{1/2}}[\frac{x}{n}]-[\sqrt{x}]^2$$
 
@Peter, as I have tried to indicate, I do not really do these things in real time. I do not necessarily think on my feet. i would be quite happy if you took 24 hours and just played with it, eventually send me something. Ethan is enthusiastic and very, very fast, but I would rather you just do this little item and not get distracted.
 
This is used in dirichlets estimate of the average order of the divisor function
 
@WillJagy OK.
 
10:48 PM
Which gives the average order of $\sum_{n\leq x} d(n)$ up to an O term of $\sqrt{x}$, with some basic asymptotic estimates
The problem of improving this O term is referred to as dirichlets divisor problem
 
@Charlie, there was a brief time when my favorite high scholl techer called me Billy, I believe he was trying to convince me to be more mainstream. He kind of had a point, you do not always understand the price you might be paying if you choose to be different, or simply are different.
 
@WillJagy deep
 
Did you lock him up in one of the classrooms over weekend?
That will teach him keeping his mouth shut.
 
@WillJagy I'm off to play tennis. I will return in a little less than 2hs.
 
Jonas, he is a good guy. Although once, in a game of American football, he ran into me and i chipped a tooth
@Peter, that is fine. Email is good. I am not in a hurry.
 
11:05 PM
@WillJagy I had an english teacher who called me marie
 
@Charlie, if you were called Ethan that would be cause for concern. Or if Ethan were called Marie.
 
hehehe t was because of that Disney cat
 
@Charlie how old are you?
 
@Ethan 8 days from being 21
 
and your from where?
 
11:11 PM
@Ethan where am i from?
guess
 
lol
 
@Ethan I'm not kidding
start with a continent
no
 
@Charlie happy early birthday!
 
@Charlie Happy birthday and happy christmas.
I am about 4 years over.
 
why are Ethan's messages being deleted?
erm "removed"
 
11:29 PM
@DanZimm Because he is posting messages, and then immediately removing them. I have no idea why, although many people here find it very irritating.
 
Lack of good spine. Different from injured spine.
Good night.
 
Goodnight, @JonasTeuwen - sleep well
 

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