Mathematics - 2012-12-17 (page 2 of 6)

The best way to get comments on your work though, is not to go on some random online chatrooms and talk to random people; go find a nearby university and talk to an analytic number theorist.

user19161

How long did you take to do all this @ethan?

Ethan

last year

my

10th grade

year

user19161

And you picked up number theory on your own from where?

Ethan

5:45 AM

I have books

sanchez but they wont wan to talk to a 17 yr old

will they?

user19161

@Ethan Just show them your paper.

Ethan

ok here

anon

Honestly, at least half of these seem to be about at the level of graduate textbook exercises. Which is of course publishable most likely if they are new, and even if not they are publishable as some sort of undergrad research thingie most likely.

user19161

If you are sincere about it, I am sure they will see you at least once...

anon

So this is way above what a normal 10th grader can do.

Ethan

5:46 AM

look at this integral

this isnt know i bet

Sanchez

@Ethan, try to talk to 10 people - there may also be some math circles in your area, go to them. There are definitely some professors who are willing to take a look.

user19161

I must say your handwriting sucks man @ethan!

anon

1+2^2+...+24^2=70^2, I recognize that one definitely

it has to do with the leech lattice and string theory I believe

Ethan

wtf

thats just a curriousity lol

atleast 4 me

anon

24 is the only n such that 1+2^2+...+n^2 is a square

user19161

5:49 AM

@anon Unfortunately it's not 23.

Sanchez

@Ethan, from what books did you learn from?

Ethan

I have an algorithm for calculating primorials

A freindly intro to number theory, and reading up online

user19161

I hope nobody steals your work from this chat room man.

Ethan

would someone do that?

anon

no

Ethan

5:51 AM

ok good

look at that integral though

that cant be known

anon

it is clear you are employing some roughly standard transformations for some of them, but others I cannot make heads or tails of (yes, that integral in particular)

Sanchez

@Ethan, seriously, talk to a professor. You won't get the help you need at a chatroom.

Ethan

IS any of this worth publishing

where do i find a professor

Sanchez

Is there any university close to where you live?

Ethan

the closest 1 is ucla

and its an half hour drive

anon

5:53 AM

@Ethan which of them are worth publishing is something you and others would need to do a bit of research to find out about. you find a professor at the closest university, either hit them up in person or through email.

Ethan

and i cant drive

Sanchez

Good enough - there are good number theorists there.

Find someone to take you there.

It'll b emuch better to talk to them in person.

Ethan

I have some much better work also

would they listen to me

Sanchez

Let a professor judge them, not some random people at some random chatroom.

anon

@Ethan how do you get places - public transportation? or do you have parents who can drive you?

Ethan

5:54 AM

im only 17

user19161

@Sanchez A fields medallist there no less!

Ethan

my mom

i live in an apartment with my mom and grandma

Sanchez

@Jasper, I was actually thinking about Professor Duke, although Professor Tao also has an interest of analytic number theory.

@Ethan, just try to go to UCLA math department, and talk to some professors there.

Ethan

I don't want to come off as arogant

user19161

@Sanchez Well, that Tao guy probably knows every branch of math on the planet, LOL

Ethan

5:55 AM

what do i say?

anon

also make sure to pick the professor that knows analysis and number theory. you can probably just go to the local uni and ask around for where the math is at, then inside that building ask around for a professor that would be good with these topics. the uni might be closed for the holidays though.

yes, Tao is pretty awesome

Sanchez

@Jasper, definitely not so, although he's very brilliant.

Ethan

And i just say what? look at my work plz?

anon

yes

Ethan

thats it

user19161

5:56 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, I am honoured to be in the presence of greatness.

Sanchez

Well, something like I am very interested in math, here's something I worked on my own, do you mind giving me some opniions.

user19161

The great Ethan!

Sanchez

@Ethan, and on this note, there are certain people you may want to email to.

There are a few people that have responded to your questions - you may want to email them for advice.

Ethan

I have mostly b's in high school, could this help with collage

I spend most of my time working on it

user19161

Of course, maybe email before going to save yourself a trip in case nobody is around.

Ethan

5:57 AM

college

user19161

@Ethan For math?

Ethan

ya

What are good colleges to go to, if you want to major in math

user19161

Not a big problem. Stephen Smale got B's and C's too.

Ethan

If I show them my work, will that help me with application

my*

Sanchez

@Ethan, you don't get advices from random people on the internet. Go talk to REAL people.

Ethan

5:59 AM

I don't live near any body who is interested in math

Sanchez

Email some people who responded you in your questions.

user19161

@Ethan Right, so go to UCLA.

Sanchez

e.g. Greg Martin, Matt E.

Ethan

sanchez

r u a student or a proffesor or somthing

Sanchez

Student - but I am not in a position to help you.

user19161

6:04 AM

I am nobody.

Sanchez

You don't find help at a place like this - so at the very least, send an email, or go to UCLA, that's better.

Ethan

where do u go to school?

should I be hestitant in showing the work I have done to people I meet in person?

Sanchez

no

show what you have to the professors you meet.

Ethan

if my work is 'good' in some context

could

that help me

into geting into a college

Sanchez

The professors will know, not us.

Ethan

6:09 AM

sanchez

what school

college

do u go 2

Sanchez

why?

it has nothing to do with the question you have here.

Ethan

what colleges should i look into going to

Sanchez

Let me reiterate this: you are not going to and should not try to find answers to those questions at a place like this.

user19161

@Sanchez I think we can all tell him what we think though.

Ethan

oh

Sanchez

6:11 AM

Show your work to professors, ask for their comments, and they will be able to judge it far better than us here.

Ethan

sanchez

user19161

@Ethan That's not too related to your work though.

Sanchez

@Jasper, sure, but most of his questions is out of reach for us. Does it help for college? It's not like we know him at all, or is able to judge his mathematical ability.

It's much more efficient for him to seek help from those who can help.

Ethan

thx 4 advice

user19161

@ethan I cannot judge your work, but if it is something nontrivial then of course it would help in your application. That is just using my common sense.

Ethan

6:14 AM

I have a c in english and spanish

but i have a's in ap chem and ap calc

will that out weight the other

user19161

@Ethan These are things the university will decide of course.

Ethan

oh

jasper

user19161

Whoever makes the decision will take all these factors into account.

Ethan

how old r u

user19161

Me, well, I prefer to keep some secrets now!

user19161

6:15 AM

I'll tell you more when I know you better, if you come to chat!

Ethan

y so confined

y does no one talk about them selves

im not going to attack u

user19161

So what you need to do now @ethan is (1) talk to someone qualified about your work (2) decide which colleges you wanna apply (3) work hard and get there!

Ethan

lol

facebook tracks your search history

i think

user19161

This has nothing to do with FB. =)

Ethan

or somthing

the adds r taylored 2 me

user19161

6:17 AM

Many things track you like your browser.

Ethan

taylor series

how do i know

in what region a given taylor series converges

to its

user19161

And to talk to someone qualified, I suggest you just visit UCLA since you are only a half hour drive @ethan. Make an appointment first.

Ethan

actuial value

oh

How do u make an appointment

user19161

Email the department and say you would like to ask someone.

Ethan

whats a department

how do i find the email

user19161

6:20 AM

Erm, go online and do a search?

Ethan

lol

what kind of music do u listen 2

user19161

You can probably email the profs there directly for this kind of thing.

Ethan

ok

user19161

Just look for the guys there who work in analytic number theory.

Bitrex

they will have beards.

Ethan

6:21 AM

Il figure it out tomarrow

Bitrex

Pretty sure.

Ethan

I gota write my stuff neatly too

most of its on scrap paper and old homework assignments

user19161

OK, I hope I have answered all your questions!

Ethan

yes

what kinda music u listen 2

bitrex

user19161

@Ethan Mariah Carey.

Ethan

6:23 AM

never heard of it let me look up

Bitrex

skrillex

all day

Ethan

yes

have u heard unkle?

omfg mariha carey is horrible

jaspor u lie

user19161

@Ethan Are you kidding me? You don't know who Mariah Carey is?

Ethan

u dnt listen 2 that

u lie

user19161

She is the greatest pop singer to me of all time.

Bitrex

6:25 AM

@JasperLoy for a 17 year old I wouldn't be surprised, he was 5 when her biggest album came out probably

Ethan

►

user19161

There can be miracles when you believe --- Mariah Carey

ColorfulTrauma

I am offering spelling lessons for the day. I guess there's someone in this room who needs to consider.

Ethan

thats good sound

no wait

Bitrex

@JasperLoy I've known teenagers who weren't aware of the Vietnam War, so...

Ethan

6:26 AM

listen 2 this

►

these guys are good

I just started listening 2 them

user19161

@Ethan Sorry that sucks man.

Ethan

wowowowow

how about uhm

have u heard of rammstein

german garble music

ColorfulTrauma

@Ethan: Your questions are, on the other hand, pretty cool with correct grammar. Do you have multiple personalities?

Ethan

lol

Bitrex

if you like rammstein, you might like Eisbrecher

user19161

6:28 AM

OK I am out of this chat. Good luck @ethan!

ColorfulTrauma

Hi Jasper.

Bye Jasper.

Ethan

ok

im listen 2 eisbrecher

1 sec
"

how old r u guys

Bitrex

Old as the hills.

Relatively.

Too old to be learning math, probably.

Ethan

my lifes roughly 2/7ths over

lol

Bitrex

Mine's about half over, given the average male lifespan

Ethan

6:33 AM

assumeing i live to 7*8.5

wait

thats like 56

peoplepower

59.5

Ethan

lol

im retarded

im 17

peoplepower

Who knows...

Ethan

1/5th over?

im not religous

peoplepower

Sounds more likely.

Ethan

6:34 AM

in the dirt

nah

il be creameated

cream lol

r u guys students

peoplepower

@Ethan Neither am I, but I would be lying to suggest an $r$ such that $0<r<1$ gives the portion of my life elapsed to any approximation.

Ethan

lol

isn't there a stats related job that calculates death proportions given certain conditions

acturaie

or somthing

peoplepower

Actuary.

Bitrex

deaths due to horse kicks in the Prussian cavalry

Ethan

lol

that sounds like a fun job

peoplepower

6:37 AM

It gives $r$ for large populations, not me.

Bitrex

Poisson agrees

Ethan

They have to take lots of long tests though i hear

I live with my mom and grandma, do u guys live by yourselves

y

im just a child

inside a mans body

insidea cats head

how do u know over wat region a taylor series converges 2 its actual value

user19161

7:08 AM

Hey @amwhy you are back! Still not sleeping?

user19161

Ladies and gentlemen, I have capped today, thanks for your support, over and out!

Garbage Collector

7:29 AM

@JasperLoy hi

Who Wants to Win a LaTeX Book?meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/2982/…

Matt N.

7:49 AM

@OldJohn Morning. Actually, can you remind me of your field of research? You told me before but I forgot.

Old John

8:02 AM

@MattN. Good morning - It was mainly about boundary behaviour of fine continuous functions in euclidean space

Hi @anon - now I understand it, that proof is fascinating

anon

yes

Old John

@anon Do you know of any other proofs using p-adics for similar sorts of results?

anon

there are generalizations of that particular triangulation argument, but nothing outside of that type of result

I need to check the details as to how the p-adic metric extends from Q to R. Like, where between $\Bbb Q,\Bbb Z_p,\Bbb Q_p,\overline{\Bbb Q}_p,\Bbb C_p$ do copies of $\Bbb R$ (ignoring topology and the Euclidean metric) lie, field-theoretically?

Old John

@anon Yep - I wasn't sure how extending the 2-adic metric to $\mathbb{R}$ actually worked - and it worries me a bit