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3:00 PM

@BenBrocka It's not that I mind MMO's sunsetting; they've run their course, people have had fun, it's no longer viable. That's fine.

@FAE Trickster Online, a random little one. I started like...6 years ago?

It's, "We're killing your game, and damn the players." that I have a problem with.

@BenBrocka Oh wow, Trickster's shutting down? D: I've never played myself, but I have a lot of friends who have.

@FAE Yeah, ending in feburary. They have some last month events still going but then it's going down

@BenBrocka Damn, sorry to hear that. :(

3:01 PM

Turns out that MMOs have running costs after all

Last month they had a "booster" event to let level 30 (very low) characters jump up to level 130 and 3rd job (high), when I heard that and saw how few people were around I figured something had to be up

At least I got to try Mutation, the ultimate skill for Cats I always wanted to try (I boosted one of each type of character just to try them out, glad I did, now)

Did you mutate into a cat?

You already were a cat, you just turn into a more attack power focused cat

@StrixVaria I'd like to head for that, but it's across the tree for me

@StrixVaria You should try to get a playset of each one. Duals are always useful and the shocks are some of the best ones.

3:04 PM

Although I did reach the outer ring, so it wouldn't take too long...

It turns you from a tanky character with decent attack into a pure attack character with some decent health temporarily

Ugh, not feeling well, gonna afk, later Bridge.

@OrigamiRobot Oh, I see the slip ring for the LEDs. It's at the bottom. There's a thin brown wire, about the same color as the framework, running from the left side of the frame down to the slip ring

I think that red cable is... grounding or something?

It appears to be soldered to the frame...

@SaintWacko Yea but where is the wire going to the LEDs?

@FAE later

3:08 PM

@OrigamiRobot The power just runs along the axle, I think

Then inside that central blob, it's connected to the LED wires

@SaintWacko I don't like it.

See, there's another brown wire running up to the top, where the motor is

Forming a complete circuit

Not 100% certain on that, but I think that's what's going on

Man this thing is so messy looking.

@SaintWacko Yea, it looks like the wire running down from the left is clamped to the bottom half of the axle.

@OrigamiRobot Yep

Is that a slip ring down there?

I don't know what they look like

@SaintWacko It doesn't look like it. I think it's just clamped to the axle...

3:18 PM

@OrigamiRobot ...That doesn't seem like it would let it spin...

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I feel like playing SimCity 4 again, just for the sake of seeing how well it runs on this new computer

@SaintWacko No idea. More pics

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Single threaded, memory / CPU bound, and nearly 10 years old. Should make for an interesting test.

The only problem is I can't seem to find my old million population+ city again.

@OrigamiRobot The thing on the end in this picture is a slip ring, right?

@YiJiang'sEvilClone WHY?!

Speaking of which, Evil Genius is nearly a decade old now.

I didn't think it'd been that long since Elixir went under.

3:22 PM

@SaintWacko It looks like he just homebrewed his own slip contacts.

OR at least, it has the same effect

Eff that.

Hehe

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Powerlord WHY NOT?!

> I made it from scrap I had laying around and it took about a week to build.

3:23 PM

I Think I see some actual slip rings, on the base motor

@SaintWacko These?

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, is that what those are?

@SaintWacko Yea, but they look the most homemade.

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Those are slip rings.

@OrigamiRobot How do they work?

Are there just contact rings inside that cylinder that transfer power?

@SaintWacko Pretty much.

3:29 PM

Please excuse my cats messages.

Apparently she speaks binary.

Kitty Cat, Kitty Cat, oh Ms Kitty Cat

Oh, cool. Room owners can see deleted messages. Neat!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I've always wondered if that's a bug or intentional.

@fbueckert You're a room owner now too? Jeez!

@fbueckert Aww, now I want to be a room owner!

3:31 PM

@OrigamiRobot I have no idea how it happened.

Can you quote deleted messages?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I mean, it doesn't seem like a privilege that's useful for a room owner to have

@SaintWacko Nope, no replies.

I want to see the cat's wisdom

@fbueckert And no permalink?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

6 hours ago, by badp

shhhh, I bet 0 he won't notice.

3:33 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Totally missed that.

@SaintWacko Nope.

I can clear stars from messages, though!

@SaintWacko chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7878292#7878292

Gimme room ownership! NAO!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

You can clear stars, pin messages, add and remove feeds, and migrate messages. And see dead messages too, apparently.

@fbueckert Really? Huh

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Same

I feel that got starred just so I can abuse my mod powers.

3:39 PM

@fbueckert You're welcome.

I have officially abused my new powers.

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My life is complete.

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@Fluttershy That's amusing.

@Fluttershy That's me with Tediore reloads

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Seeing deleted messages is the most awesome thing, but pinning messages is the most commonly used feature.

3:47 PM

can room owners unfreeze/timeout/delete/undelete?

wait no those are under a "moderator" heading

but room owners can migrate messages?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

When I was room owner for the SO JavaScript room, the most commonly (ab)used feature was migrate, to move off-topic conversations away to unclutter the room

@Fluttershy Impressive

@YiJiang'sEvilClone So... Just like @badp, then

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@SaintWacko Oh no, we did it far more frequently

@BenBrocka Can you hurt yourself with the Tediore reloading? O_o

@Fluttershy yes, if it bounces back and hits you, or more commonly if you reload into an enemy right in your face

3:50 PM

@Wipqozn RISE!

though I have more of a problem with MIRV grenades than tediore reloads. I dont' use tediore much anymore either, just haven't found many good ones

also I bring you Kirby Avengers

@BenBrocka Huh... I never knew you could hurt yourself with grenades and stuff.

@Fluttershy Yeah, grenades, certain kinds of explosive rounds and explosive reloads do self damage

There's even one Torgue gun which does friendly fire

@BenBrocka I bet that one's popular with the griefers.

3:53 PM

@fbueckert It's a legendary I think and it's quite hard to hurt people on purpose. IIRC shots have a secondary projectile, which then can hurt teammates

4:04 PM

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Q: Origin different country purchase

I have a quick question. I am from Europe and I bought something from Origin. What I've seen is that in USA they have the same price but in dollars. So my question is if I make my purchase from the usa store(giving my account and credit card info to someone in the US) at a better price can I down...

Thought this seemed familiar

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Q: Buying games from Steam/Origin in foreign store?

I have noticed recently that Steam and Origin have different stores for different countries. These stores generally have different prices for certain games. Is there anything wrong with me logging into the US store if I'm in Europe and paying less for a game? Would Steam/Origin close your accou...

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@SaintWacko So, close as off-topic or duplicate?

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Not sure, that's what I was wondering

I wonder if it's the same person still trying to get an answer

@SaintWacko If it is, he should know better.

@fbueckert I find it very unlikely that it would be a separate user that somehow missed that nearly the exact same question had just been asked

@SaintWacko Thing is, if that's the same user, he's already answered his own question.

4:08 PM

@fbueckert Hm, hadn't seen that

The questions still have significant overlap

Awesome. Inspired the entire party. You're welcome @badp, @RedRiderX, and @fbueckert.

@OrigamiRobot I wound up taking the guild gates out of my deck because topdecking a land hoping to play a spell and then getting one that comes into play tapped sucks.

@fbueckert Yes we should dupe to closed questions if it is in fact a dupe.

Well, now I don't know how to feel about it

However, I don't think they are dupes.

4:10 PM

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, now that I look at the answer for the first one, I'm a bit unsure of that myself

@StrixVaria Yea, the gates suck, but only because the other options for duals are better.

@SaintWacko It happens more often than you think.

@OrigamiRobot I refuse to buy Innistrad/M13 cards because they're not going to be standard level for too much longer.

So the shock lands are the only ones I will have access to for a bit.

@OrigamiRobot Why? The point of duping is to keep information solidified. If we're duping to a closed question, we should just close it with the same reasoning as the original, rather than duping.

@StrixVaria Are you only interested in standard?

@fbueckert Closed is closed. If they get reopened, then they are still dupes.

4:11 PM

anybody here bought stuff from NCIX? apparently they're big in Canada, although they've got US operations as well. Never used them as a vendor and looking to see if they're decent

Does the second one still constitute a request for off topic legal advice?

@OrigamiRobot I'm certainly not interested in Modern or any formats older than that.

Either close reason is valid. It's a duplicate and it's off-topic.

Standard is at a more reasonable power level.

With that said...

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Q: Origin different country purchase

I have a quick question. I am from Europe and I bought something from Origin. What I've seen is that in USA they have the same price but in dollars. So my question is if I make my purchase from the usa store(giving my account and credit card info to someone in the US) at a better price can I down...

This question isn't off-topic

4:12 PM

@Wipqozn This.

TO A DINOSAUR ALL OF LITERATURE IS POST-APOCALYPTIC.

Tweeted by Dr_Dinosaur on May 11, 2012 at 4:32 AM

@StrixVaria Also, there is nothing stopping them from being reprinted. The M13 duals have been in standard since M10.

@Wipqozn the dupe was a bad post anyway. How to do it on origin/steam are two different questions

@BenBrocka This too.

@BenBrocka I concur.

4:13 PM

@OrigamiRobot Yeah but there's also no guarantee that they will be reprinted. I'll get some M14 when it comes out, but M13 is only for another couple months.

One card I really hope stays is Jace's Phantasm, though.

Welp, that's going to get closed as a dupe now, which helps nobody.

I'm going to try to get 4 of those for the Dimir deck I plan on making.

@fbueckert It shouldn't be closed at all.

The question is perfectly on-topic.

@Wipqozn From the dupe answer:

> Origin on the other hand enforces rules that mean if a game is gifted it can only be redeemed by someone in the same country as the gift was bought.

Seems to answer it fairly authoritively.

@StrixVaria The point is, duals are always good. They go in any deck using those colors. Even if you just play casual, they're good to have.

4:14 PM

@fbueckert Which answers the question...

I don't know what point you're trying to make.

@Wipqozn That the new one should be closed as a dupe?

@Wipqozn I'M GETTING CONFUSED!!

5 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot

However, I don't think they are dupes.

@OrigamiRobot Yeah I know that. I was mostly planning on trading the Hallowed Fountain before out of desperation. Now that I have other trade fodder I'm keeping the dual lands.

@SaintWacko He just said they're not dupes..

I'M SO CONFUSED!

4:15 PM

That answer is in the question we're closing it as a dupe of.

DOES @fbueckert WANT TO DUPE CLOSE OR NOT?!?!?!?

THE WORLD IS FALLING

@Wipqozn NO!!!!

@fbueckert But you said the answer to the other one answers it!

NOW I'M CONFUSED TOO!

@SaintWacko It does! But it's closed!

I don't think we should be duping to closed questions!

@fbueckert You're breaking everyone!

4:16 PM

@Wipqozn He is just asking about duping to closed questions. Forget this specific one.

It implies that the dupe is also unacceptable.

@OrigamiRobot Some of the main cards I plan on trading to try to get what I want are RTR Jace, that G/B 1/2 with 3 abilities, and that big white angel for 4WWW. I don't know why I'm so bad at remembering names.

@fbueckert So should the other one be opened, or should the answer from that one be moved?

@SaintWacko I dunno what to do. My main point is: duping to closed question is bad.

Come to think of it

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Q: Buying games from Steam/Origin in foreign store?

I have noticed recently that Steam and Origin have different stores for different countries. These stores generally have different prices for certain games. Is there anything wrong with me logging into the US store if I'm in Europe and paying less for a game? Would Steam/Origin close your accou...

THis question really isn't off-topic either

4:17 PM

And also, it doesn't quite answer it. The specific question in the new one is if it's purchased in the US on the same account, not as a gift

The "will they close" is kind of iffy, but just edit that out

@Wipqozn Tbh, I didn't see a problem with that one

@SaintWacko it should be closed, but for a different reason.

I just saw the new one as a duplicate

NARQ, as @BenBrocka said... somewhere

4:18 PM

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Q: Origin different country purchase

I have a quick question. I am from Europe and I bought something from Origin. What I've seen is that in USA they have the same price but in dollars. So my question is if I make my purchase from the usa store(giving my account and credit card info to someone in the US) at a better price can I down...

BEcause it's two questions

@StrixVaria Deathrite and Serenity

@OrigamiRobot Yeah that's it.

HE should only ask about one platform

@Wipqozn Should he ask two questions, one about each platform?

4:19 PM

@SaintWacko Yes.

I've asked him to do just that.

@StrixVaria Deathrite is so good. I preordered 4 while they were still < $5.

It's akin to me asking the same question about two unrelated games.

@Wipqozn The big problem was with his question pre-edit.

@OrigamiRobot It's pretty good. It's in my BG deck right now but I'm definitely willing to part with it for some good cards for my UB deck.

@fbueckert I didn't even notice the edit history. Silly me.

4:20 PM

How do I buy bacon from another country?

@StrixVaria I'll take it. I need a 5th.

@OrigamiRobot Do you have M13 Jace or 4 Cyclonic Rift for it?

@Wipqozn No worries. Just pointing out why I VTC'd.

@Wipqozn Ah, neither had I. That makes a bit more sense

@StrixVaria All those are tied up. Also, trading with you would be a pain :(

4:22 PM

@OrigamiRobot Yeah it really would.

stupid shipping.

@OrigamiRobot Sorry, guys, my quantum teleporter isn't ready for domestic use yet.

@fbueckert Yeah, more understandable now. It still should have been closed mind you, legal or not, since it's two seperate questions.

@fbueckert I am a robot. What's the worst that can happen?

Hopefully he can fix it up so we can re-open it.

The answer paints EA in a negative light, which I think we can all agree makes the question worthy of existence.

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4:23 PM

@OrigamiRobot I scatter your constituent atoms to the far reaches of the universe?

@fbueckert He can just restore from a previous backup.

@RonanForman This

@RonanForman Note: @OrigamiRobot is now my crash test dummy for all teleporter tests.

Although, personally, for organic matter, I'd be much happier with just ripping a hole in the space/time continuum than deconstructing/reassembling.

Well, I have things that need doing, so I will be off.

I suspect somewhere down the line, @OrigamiRobot will encounter Cthulhu, and his backup will become permanently corrupted.

4:29 PM

@fbueckert, I leave this matter in your capable hands. Do not disappoint me my fellow Canadian.

@Wipqozn If he edits, I'll be the first in line to VTR.

You know, I'm surprised this isn't ever brought up in Star Trek... the transporter should be able to make exact duplicates of a person.

@Powerlord It's happened, actually, via an accident.

@fbueckert tHAT WOULD BE MUCH SIMPLER

When there were two rikers.

OKay, departing now.

4:32 PM

@Wipqozn I just saw Thomas in DS9

@fbueckert P̱̭̟͈ͫ̈͋ͧ͟h͍ͥ͛͒ͮ'͍̦ͯ̅̏̂̊n̙̹̪͚̗̆͗͋̍͌ğ̂ͭͦ͐̿l̶̝̘̈͛ͯ͐͛͊u̥̮̙̼̗̣͂͊i͇͔̜͔͊ͅͅ ͉͚̖͉̹͒͢m̯͖̾̆͌͑ͤg̸͓̈ḻ̨̗̤͖̲̀ͅwͨ͐ͭ'̢̩̳̼̫̙͋̋͆̈́ͧ̽n͚̣̻͕̪̐̌̃̓ȁ̜̤̲͊̈͆͒ͬ̆f̰͐̄̄ͤh̴̙͈̳͋̌̒‌̠͇̰̦ ̗̩̩̯̳̰̖͒C̸͙̣̟̟̗̠̰̆̈́̎͊̇t̮h̬̥͓̩̭̱̐̊̐͗͑͆̄u͖̪̫̻̼̜̿ͥl͛̀h̦͇͋̊̎ͥu͕̦̗̔ͨͬ ̼̝̰̺͚͛͑̿R̦̖̝̙͌'̐̓̒ͩ̆l̛̤͖̗̟y̜͚̠̜̙͉̯̒̔̅ͧ̎ͦę̟̦͔̖̯͕ͣͪ̃̂h̻͙̉ͤ̊͗̍͜ ̎̏͛̆̚҉̙̪̜ẁ̰̝͎͇͍ͅg͈̮̯̗ͩ͢a̠͕͇̖͔̭̺͋ͭ̌ͭ̉h͉̖̻͔̐͊̐͒ͩ̃'̬̮n̫̤͔̻̼͒̕ā̡̙̤̭͓͋͌̚ͅg̶̟ͩ͆̾͐̓ͯ̽‌̥̖̮̬̱l̝̽ͩ̎̅ͪ̚͜ ̽̈̔͂ͤf͍̫̰̉͒̍ͅh̩͗̂ͪͤ̋̉̐͘ṱ̵̙͔͔͈ͩ̿a̺̗̟͙̓̂̓̓ͯ̽͢g̱̗̼͐̚͘ͅnͥͧ͐̃̊̔ͦ҉͍͙̥

@SaintWacko He became quite the rebel.

DEPARTING!

@Wipqozn Literally :D

@Wipqozn The point is that it shouldn't JUST be by accident.

Not only that, but why does a transporter pattern degrade if it's been turned into computer data?

@OrigamiRobot Too late, it's already happened.

4:33 PM

@Powerlord You should read Wil McCarthy's Collapsium

That's a common use for the teleporters there

A person will usually have a few copies scattered around the solar system

If someone dies, no worries, just pull a copy of them out of the gate buffer

@SaintWacko With that logic, Stargates should make people effectively immortal.

@fbueckert Do the Stargates remember what passes through them?

@SaintWacko They do have a buffer, yes.

That gets deleted after they reconstruct the person.

This can be reopened now

@OrigamiRobot As can the first question

4:41 PM

@SaintWacko I should probably point out that there's an episode of either Twilight Zone or Outer Limits about this, too.

@fbueckert Hmm, so if SG1 could just find a way to download the buffer, and then load it back into the stargate...

@BenBrocka, nexus 4 - 8 or 16 gb?

An alien transporter technology where they essentially kill the original body after transport.

@SaintWacko They managed to daisy-chain a couple dozen to skip across galaxies. Downloading the buffer sounds like child's play.

@fbueckert Provided they can store that much data

I haven't seen much of SG1, I don't know if they ever get the same level of technology as the makers of the Stargates had

4:43 PM

@fbueckert I don't think you should edit answered questions' scopes, but whatever.

@OrigamiRobot He clarified the text; he just forgot the title and tags.

@agent86 16 unless you barely store anything on the card. I'd say it's worth it for the 16 and that's what I got

@SaintWacko SG Atlantis is where they have the fun with advanced technology.

@fbueckert NEVERMIND THEN IGNORE ME

16 is a good minimum really, surprised they didn't go for 16/32 options instead

4:44 PM

@OrigamiRobot NO! I MUST BE RIGHT!

@agent86 Ooh, are you planning on getting one, too?

@SaintWacko Heck, there's a few Ancient devices that allowed a single stargate to connect to multiple others... typically it was only used to transmit energy (as either a weapon, or a temporal device), but did anyone ever try at least throwing a rock through?! Or a MALP? solve the issue of constructing more.

@TrentHawkins Best. Factory. Ever.

@TrentHawkins So it copied whatever went into it?

@fbueckert I'm interested in replacing my phone and have heard good things... I'm going to try to get one next time they're in stock.

That could be very useful

4:47 PM

@BenBrocka rgr, gotcha. I might as well blow the extra $50, I don't plan on upgrading again for a while...

too bad they didn't stick a microSD card slot in it...

@agent86 That's the sole reason I didn't buy it

@agent86 Yeah, my Xperia X10i is starting to show it's age. And with Sony Ericcson pulling stupid moves and treating their customers like idiots, it's about time for me to switch to another brand.

the external SD card got axed in the "keep it simple" process

@agent86 For the last couple of weeks, I've been checking the page daily. It's been sold out every day until today, where it's "temporarily out of stock"

I would have been willing to pay the $350 to get it off carrier, were it not for the lack of sd card

4:49 PM

And honestly picking between external/internal was a pain

@fbueckert I own a LG Rumor Touch, which is like the dumbest smartphone money could buy 3 years ago...

@fbueckert they're ramping up production. Apparently google underestimated orders by 10x

@BenBrocka I would have been fine without it had they included a significant amount of storage

@SaintWacko yeah, the lack of that and LTE are my only hiccups in the decision. still, it's a massive upgrade.

But even 16gb is not enough anymore

4:50 PM

@SaintWacko Yeah, don't know why there's no 32/64 GB option

@agent86 Have you looked at the SGS3?

@fbueckert yeah, you can get it unlocked from best buy today for $600 if you want to pay that markup :P

@SaintWacko I've looked at a number of other phones, but the prices tend to scare me off

Eh, 16GB is a decent minimum, especially for a very, very cheap phone with otherwise high-end specs

@agent86 I've seen people selling them brand new on Kijiji locally for $550.

I would really like unlocked/no contract

4:50 PM

Which is still stupid markup.

@agent86 What carrier are you on?

Oh

BB's got them for $199 w/2-year t-mobile also... but bleh contract

Yeah, I sold my accidental extra for like $550 immediately, probably could have gotten more

Yeah, that's going to be a lot more expensive, then

@SaintWacko right now, virgin mobile prepaid

4:51 PM

Don't do the contract, the phone actually costs more

Just to double-check, the Nexus 4 DOES have a SIM card slot, right?

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Q: How can I show the names of moves as they are executed?

I'm trying squeeze the last ounce of DPS from my spec and a guildie helpfully provided a video of his rotation on the combat dummy. However, I'm finding it pretty hard to follow just from watching the animations, buff bar, and quickbars (particularly since the latter are laid out very differentl...

@fbueckert microsim

@BenBrocka Perfect.

Then I just need to perform surgery on my X10 to peel the sim card out.

Since I use Google Music I haven't noticed the need for >16GB yet. My iPad has more than 16, but I install tons of large games on there and don't actually play them. On my phone I remove apps I don't use

4:54 PM

@BenBrocka If I had more than 300MB of data per month I'd use Google Music

I already use it whenever I'm on wifi

@SaintWacko Ouch

@BenBrocka Yeah

I don't have any issues with it normally, but I know I would if I always used Google Music

I use more than that on google music alone and I don't even use it that often

I'm usually closer to 1-2GB, rarely over that

@BenBrocka Exactly

well, for reference, I think I own a 2GB iPod and have never filled it :P

4:55 PM

@agent86 Haha

I will probably put a couple of gigs of music on there, a bunch of games (no idea what size those tend to run) and store a few pictures.

I think I have about 15gb of music :P

I have a 32gb microSD card in my phone to store that stuff

I have a bit more music than that, but what I want to carry around with me is generally pretty tiny

right now I have an ipod->FM transmitter I'll have to take a look at replacing

Most games are in the tens of megabytes, large 3D games can be a few hundred megs. I think my largest portion of usage are my ROMs

@BenBrocka Yeah, those take up a lot of space

4:58 PM

I got a radio/remote/mic control plug in thingy for my first MP3 player. I thought it was so cool until I realized radio is terrible and I had no use for the low quality mic. The remote controls were nice though

@BenBrocka ROMS like for game emulators? or ROMS in some other android capacity which I know very little about because I've never owned an android.

@agent86 games for emulators. There's good android emulation up to and including PS1

hmm, interesting.

N64 too but I haven't tried that (I can't imagine that's pleasant unless it's a d-pad game)

might have to break out my PS1 discs and do some ripping :)

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