The Bridge

It's weird, because the mission we were playing, Mannslaughter, we got through waves 1 and 2 relatively unscathed after a try or two... we missed $10 on wave 1 and none on wave 2.

Wave 3 took us at least 6 tries.

two bugs

Man, my cat is badass. There's this scratching mat I have, and she almost flipped it over while standing on top of it

Powerlord

By the way, if you haven't played MvM in a while, there are now unlimited refunds.

So, now you can redo your upgrades after every wave.

djsmiley2k

@twobugs all cats are

I've seen cats run along celings before...

my cats amaze me almost as much as my daughter

And ya know, I'm not sure we will break 1mil....

Arperum

> There are also several other quality of life functions Kanai’s Cube can perform, such as removing the level requirement from an item.

Powerlord

@djsmiley2k You... have a million cats?

djsmiley2k

9:14 PM

4

Arperum

cc @Frank @otherdiabloplayers

djsmiley2k

s/we/they

Powerlord

@djsmiley2k Who is breaking a million cats?

djsmiley2k

lol typo in the subtitles D:

@Powerlord I meant AGDQ breaking 1mil dollar.

Powerlord

Jul 27 at 14:28, by Powerlord

OK, at this point if people use non-sequiturs, I'm going to respond as if you're talking about whatever the previously mentioned topic was.

djsmiley2k

9:17 PM

:)

the current topic should always be agdq

Lazers 2.0

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Q: How to get rid of unwanted children without making the dwarves unhappy?

I am experimenting a lot with the game right now and one thing I have noticed is that child dwarves are extremely useless. They just throw parties and interrupt others. It's obvious they need to be sent to a better place. My current solution is to dig a 2x2x8 well with a bridge on top, use a b...

dwarf-fortress

Unionhawk

@Powerlord You're a non-sequitur

@djsmiley2k I feel like SGDQ is generally smaller than AGDQ. Maybe that's my imagination.

djsmiley2k

it certainly raises less money @Unionhawk and I'm less.... impressed? is that even a fair term for a charity event?

Until this, I didn't really understand there was two events..

Unionhawk

This GDQ has been better than the previous AGDQ overall I feel

djsmiley2k

I think theres less games I'm interested in than last time, personally

but obviously thats going to change per person ;)

Unionhawk

9:29 PM

Dammit did I miss shovel knight low% with dev commentary?

T-T

Blender Warrior

@Lazers2.0 What the..

Dwarf Kids

djsmiley2k

yes just finished

Unionhawk

Goddammit

Blender Warrior

@Lazers2.0 Throwing down parties.....

kisses Lazers

djsmiley2k

killing them in anyway will cause bad feelings

only way is to ban children ;)

Kevin van der Velden

9:30 PM

Atomsmashering should make less bad feelings, making slabs takes care of ghosts

Blender Warrior

@Lazers2.0 Who ever made the game is child abuse aka dwarven child abuse

djsmiley2k

@BlenderWarrior are you asking if it is the same?

Blender Warrior

@djsmiley2k All = Same which means is it possible that me and you like to start random conversations?

Ah... the silent treatment

Unionhawk

wtf are you talking about

Blanket statement

Blender Warrior

@Unionhawk Blank*

Unionhawk

9:35 PM

Don't play games with me

Blender Warrior

Because blanket = warm, soft, cozy, searching

Unionhawk

32 secs ago, by Unionhawk

Don't play games with me

Blender Warrior

@Unionhawk This isn't a game. Its a mere fact that you can't spell.

Frank

@Arperum Oh, that'll do power levelling.

Blender Warrior

@Frank Leveling*

Unionhawk

9:37 PM

@BlenderWarrior Blanket statement as in that was an all-encompassing wtf are you talking about if you continue these games I will consider a kick-mute

Don't tempt me

Blender Warrior

@Unionhawk Mute*

Frank

@BlenderWarrior Haha no.

Yeah, just kick him and call it a day.

@BlenderWarrior If you want to be disruptive, go ahead. Do it elsewhere.

Blender Warrior

@Frank It's not a disruption

Unionhawk

Have I made my position clear.

Blender Warrior

@Unionhawk No, let's keep playing this game

You keep feeding me the kicks

And, well, i'll pop in every time the kick ends.

Frank

9:41 PM

@BlenderWarrior And after the third, you'll eat a ban.

Shall we continue this?

Because I'd love to see that.

Chippies

Ooh, I came around at a fun time

Blender Warrior

@Frank I'm the lord of the banns. I want to be the number one bann

Unionhawk

@Chippies -popcorn

Chippies

@Unionhawk I know, I don't even like popcorn, it gets stuck in my teeth

HDE 226868

in Mathematics, yesterday, by HDE 226868

Fight nicely, please. Or, rather, don't fight at all.

Frank

9:42 PM

@BlenderWarrior Dude. Despite what you might think, any attention != good attention.

two bugs

Hi, @BlenderWarrior. This is fun to watch and all, but please stop.

You're not doing yourself any favors

You don't seem like a bad guy, so let's just work this out

Blender Warrior

@twobugs Ok, i'll stop

...

HDE 226868

Problem solved, hopefully? No more chances of chat flags bouncing around?

Blender Warrior

Actually

@HDE226868 This just got lucky chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/19/game-development

Who here has played Vendetta?

Im being good now so answer the question

Chippies

@BlenderWarrior or people might not be answering you because 1) we're not looking at the chat all the time 2) we haven't played Vendetta 3) some people may have blocked you

Frank

9:51 PM

@Chippies Much of #3, I would suspect.

Due to his previous behaviour.

user4704

Regardless; patience is a virtue. It's somewhat rude to expect immediate responses. :)

Chippies

@Frank knowing the people that were involved in the previous "conversation" with him, that seems like the most likely thing

Frank

@Chippies I was actually referring to his previous incarnation. Things that happen, even under a different username, sticks with you.

Chippies

@Frank ah, I checked his profile, but he has no account above 113 rep, so I don't recognize him

Frank

@Chippies Look around here

Chippies

9:55 PM

@Frank ah, he hasn't been around (under that name) in a long time, no wonder I forgot

Wipqozn

I don't really think we should be posting chat logs to show why you think someone is annoying.

2

Chippies

@Wipqozn I think he's just posting chat log to show that he has a history of being annoying

Frank

@Wipqozn I wasn't pointing at a specific post of his, actually.

Just an area that points out his previous username.

Which, really, speaks for itself at that point.

user15026

@BlenderWarrior As a general thing, demanding people talk to you and answer your questions is likely to get you the exact opposite response.

Frank

In other news, I have a manager whining that his requested change isn't a big deal and to just go ahead and do it.

When I investigate, it has the potential to break things up and down the line.

Aequitas

10:05 PM

@Frank just get him to sign something to prove he told you to do it, then go ahead and break everything just for the lols since you're not liable

Lazers 2.0

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Q: How do I use a custom weapon with custom stats in a private game?

In TF2, if I wanted to get a custom weapon with custom stats, how would I do it (similar to the way Karma Charger does it)?

team-fortress-2

Frank

@Aequitas Yeah, no, that's sort of just punting.

I have to at least attempt to explain why making the change isn't a good idea.

After that, if I get overruled, then, yes, I get it in writing, I do exactly what they want, and watch the fun.

Aequitas

@Frank well yeh ofc you explain to them, not that they're gonna listen

Frank

@Aequitas They do. They don't really have a choice, and somebody has to answer to the change.

Since I'm just a consultant now. And if I burn untold time fixing it, well, that'll cost them.

But it's part of my duty to explain to them that this change has some potential implications they may not be aware of.

And we should really be careful doing it.

Aequitas

like this: thedailywtf.com/articles/we-re-all-admins-here

Frank

10:11 PM

@Aequitas Yep, read that.

The good thing, though, is that I have a decent amount of pull.

If I say we should proceed cautiously, most people are willing to take my word on it.

Because I've been fixing shit from the previous programmers that did exactly what they asked.

Aequitas

haha

Frank

Speaking of, I get to speak to our Australian branch today about exactly one of those changes.

They want me to duplicate a process one of the previous programmers put in.

Problem is, the system was never meant to handle that functionality.

So the previous coder broke the shit out of it when he added it.

Aequitas

i'm in australia :)

user15026

10:28 PM

throws rocks at things

user15026

I am so tired of bad documentation.

Frank

@AshleyNunn Most things I do, I have zero documentation to work with. Which is actually better than bad documentation.

user15026

@Frank I'm cool with like no tech docs

user15026

but when account docs aren't where they should be so I can't find customer info, then I get grouchy

Frank

@AshleyNunn Yeah, but documentation gives you the idea that something works a certain way, and then it doesn't, sucks.

It means somebody only did part of their job.

user15026

10:31 PM

Yeah, that would be shitty

Arperum

Why do I alsways end up making extreme glasscannonny experimental builds when I play hardcore? and super tanky things in softcore.

Aequitas

sucks to be you guys

everything has great documentation over here

> /**
* Description of the Method
*
* @param archive Description of Parameter
* @param logType Description of Parameter
* @param header Description of Parameter
* @param logFilename Description of Parameter
*/
public static voi

Lazers 2.0

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Q: I just achieved rank 20 in hearthstone can I still get the card back even though its 31 of july?

Hello guys i got rank 20 in hearthstone an hour ago. will i still get the card back for july 2015? Thanks in advance

hearthstone

Frank

@Aequitas This tends to be an old method of documentation.

Really, your code itself should be telling you what it does.

Aequitas

@Frank I disagree, javadocs are insanely useful, you can just hover over a method and it will tell you what it does, instead of having to go and read the actual method. Well it is when people put actual descriptions of the method instead of "Description of the method"

What about this one: > /**
* <FONT COLOR="#FF0000">Method Description Missing</FONT>
*@param e <FONT COLOR="#FF0000">Parameter Description Missing</FONT>
*/

Unionhawk

10:42 PM

I mean, both is nice

Aequitas

why would someone write that its missing! in red too!

Frank

@Aequitas The point is that the method name should be telling you what it does.

And the variables should tell you what it needs.

Javadoc type documentation is only really needed when you're constructing a public API for other developers.

Aequitas

yeh but sometimes you need more detail then just the method name, unless you're willing to have really long method names

Frank

@Aequitas That's a sign that your method is trying to do too much.

murgatroid99

@Frank What about preconditions? Postconditions?

Frank

10:48 PM

@murgatroid99 If a method does different things based on what you give it, ideally, they should be different methods, I'd say.

murgatroid99

@Frank No, "precondition" as in "these parameters are invalid"

Or do you also think OutOfBoundsException should not exist?

Frank

@murgatroid99 It would depend on what the project spec says.

I'd personally lean towards throwing an exception of some sort.

murgatroid99

@Frank Then it's behaving differently based on what you give it

Frank

@murgatroid99 It really shouldn't need to validate the input; that should be done before you send it to the method.

Unionhawk

Well what if it isn't done? I say plan for input to be invalid

murgatroid99

10:51 PM

Oh, wait, we're only talking about the case where other developers don't use your code. Never mind

Frank

@murgatroid99 Yeah, if other devs use it, you validate the shit out of it.

But if it's your own, you understand your code path, and what it's supposed to take.

murgatroid99

What if someone needs to refactor your code?

What if you need to refactor it in six months?

Frank

@murgatroid99 Not sure I understand the problem.

murgatroid99

Do you remember all code paths of every program you've ever written?

Frank

@murgatroid99 Nope, not even maybe. And I haven't even written that many.

murgatroid99

10:53 PM

@Frank And you don't think documentation would help with that?

Frank

But the code itself should be readable enough that anyone, including your wiser six-month-older self, should be able to understand it just reading it.

Not that I'm anywhere near able to do so.

It's a work in progress.

murgatroid99

@Frank Yes, and I'd like world peace and goodwill for all men

And some algorithms are just complicated. It can help to explain things because it's not clear what you're trying to do just based on what you are doing

Frank

@murgatroid99 Yes, and I'm not saying it's a hard and fast rule never to document things.

But documenting everything is just going to be a waste of time in most cases. Let the code speak for itself, where it can.

Unless you work with VBA.

murgatroid99

And I think that it can be hard to tell what shouldn't be documented until it's six months later and you can't remember what that method does any more, even though you thought it was obvious at the time

Frank

Document that all day every day.

@murgatroid99 I think a code review tends to bring what needs documentation to the surface.

A peer code review.

Not one you do six months later.

murgatroid99

10:58 PM

@Frank Usually those result in writing documentation

At least for me

Lazers 2.0

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Q: How do I make house appear in the happy home show case because it was empty?

I went on Animal Crossing New leaf today and i tried the Happy Home show case but none of the houses appeared. Does this feature not work anymore? Can some one please help!

animal-crossing-new-leaf

Frank

@murgatroid99 Documenting everything, though?

Aequitas

advice i heard was if, after writing a method, you can quickly write a sentence or two explaining what it does, it probably doesn't need an explanation, but if you have to think about what to write, then it probably needs it

Frank

Or just specific parts that might be a little complex?

Aequitas

it can be helpful in even simple methods though, like a getter, you can write in the @return if it returns the actual object or a clone of it

Frank

11:02 PM

@Aequitas The code should make it obvious that it's returning a clone, though.

murgatroid99

@Frank but what if you're reading the JavaDoc in an IDE? Or online?

OK, maybe not online. But in your IDE

Aequitas

@Frank but why would you want to go read the actual method? just read it from the floating javadoc

Frank

@murgatroid99 Depends on if you have access to the code.

murgatroid99

@Frank I don't understand

Frank

@murgatroid99 Can you read the code?

Or are you stuck only implementing the IDE you're given?

murgatroid99

11:04 PM

Even if you can read the code, it can be more convenient to have the documentation pop up inline

@Frank what does that even mean?

Frank

@murgatroid99 Third party IDE or not, really.

@murgatroid99 Do you have an example?

murgatroid99

OK, I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. IDE = Integrated Development Environment (like Eclipse). API = Application Programming Interface (like the Java standard library)

Frank

@murgatroid99 And you're referencing the intellisense in the IDE, yes?

murgatroid99

@Frank yes

Frank

@murgatroid99 Okay, so the method name should be clear enough to understand what it's supposed to do.

murgatroid99

11:08 PM

6 mins ago, by Frank

@Aequitas The code should make it obvious that it's returning a clone, though.

You're saying two different things

Aequitas

I wanna read your code Frank, it must be the most beautiful thing ever

Frank

@murgatroid99 I'm not sure how that's two different things.

Your method names should tell you what it does.

murgatroid99

@Frank If the intent is expressed in the implementation, that's different from having it expressed in the method name

Frank

@murgatroid99 Okay, fair enough. I think doing both would make sense.

A method name of cloneThisObject(Object toClone) would do a pretty decent job of what the method is supposed to do.

@Aequitas I doubt it. It takes a ton of time to refactor things to get to that point.

murgatroid99

I think he was talking about the case where the getter returns a copy of the contents of a field

Frank

11:11 PM

First drafts are never that clean.

@murgatroid99 Could be; I'm working on what little context there is.

This is the sort of thing we've been talking about in our Clean Code workshops at work. So maybe I've been drinking a bit too much of the Kool-Aid.

I'd like to hit that level of code readability, but I doubt I'd get anywhere near, unless I refactored it several times.

murgatroid99

The way I see it, it's much better to have redundant documentation with readable code than no documentation with code that really should be readable

Like, it would be nice if all code we wrote expressed our intentions perfectly and understandably, but in the meantime, documentation is the next best thing

Unionhawk

I should be ready for my entire work over the summer to go through code review and just get demolished

Frank

@murgatroid99 And coming from a guy that supports some of the most awful junk code I've ever seen, and has no documentation at all, I'd agree with you.

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk wait, you've been writing code for months without review, but it will be reviewed?

Frank

The company I currently work for is the first that has had code review.

Unionhawk

11:22 PM

It's a lot of laying things out in visual studio and these may be assumptions

venidi vidici vicini

flag as spam

-3

A: When or where do Legendary dragons appear in the world?

Deez nuts aha got eem ha goteem

Wipqozn

@venidividicivicini oh hey, you're back to that name and avatar.

Yuuki

murgatroid99

@venidividicivicini that's not spam. It's NAA or VLQ

Yuuki

What.

Lazers 2.0

11:37 PM

0

Q: Best Attacks Against Bunker Early Game StarCraft 2?

I attempted, as Protoss, to rush a Terran player who had blocked off their ramp with two bunkers loaded up with Marines and Marauders with SCVs repairing them. They easily destroyed my stalkers while taking no losses (other than minerals spend repairing the bunkers). I've never seen it before -...

starcraft-2 protoss terran

Fluttershy

@WorldEngineer Race the Sun is free on Steam today! I saw that it was on your wishlist on the store page. :o

Aequitas

@Fluttershy free to own foreva or you can play it today for free?

Fluttershy

@Aequitas Free to own, I believe.

Unionhawk

Oh my this is great

Madtree has a blackberry thing that is delicious cc @LessPop_MoreFizz

Chippies

@Fluttershy wait what? I thought it was just for the day! checks steam

oh wait, I already own it

Fluttershy

11:45 PM

polygon.com/2015/7/30/9074857/…

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Steam library persistence across client removal / drive format / os re-install

All my games from Steam are on my d:. My steam client is on the c: I want to format my c: and re-install the OS. Will I have to redownload all the games in my library already on my d: or is the steam client smart enough to deal with this? Seems like this should have already been asked but I coul...

steam

-1

Q: I have two monitors but steam only launchs games on one

I went to big picture mode and it only gives me one option even though I have more than one monitor connected.

steam monitor

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