The Bridge

badp

5:00 PM

@twobugs The finale is today. Tomorrow I'm commuting by car, then I get three weeks off.

StrixVaria

I mean, the black-and-white stuff was running backward, but it hardly mattered to the story.

onebox pls

Sterno

urmom oneboxes

badp

@Sterno you need a panning shot to take a photo of urmom.

Rapitor

@PrivatePansy um.

badp

That wouldn't onebox very nicely.

Rapitor

5:04 PM

wtf is SGDQ playing... noah's ark?

wat

two bugs

Super Noah's Ark 3D

I can't watch right now but if memory serves its a reskinned Doom

murgatroid99

That's actually familiar. I think AVGN did an episode that mentioned it

Rapitor

that's what it seems like, but it's still wat

MadMAxJr

And it's actually fairly difficult.

murgatroid99

It's not Wolfenstein?

two bugs

5:05 PM

Isn't it one of the few unlicensed SNES games?

MadMAxJr

Ammo drops are very scarce.

Er, it's wolfenstein

badp

two bugs

Oh, That's right.

I think I was confusing that with the actual Doom for SNES

MadMAxJr

The thing ended up on steam recently.

two bugs

Which had really bad music, iirc

MadMAxJr

5:07 PM

Doom has been ported to darn near everything.

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Next is Quantum Conundrum, made by Portal's designer

Neat game, but doesn't really live up to Portal. And most of the harder stuff is execution based, rather than puzzle based.

Rapitor

this'll be good. physics puzzlers are always fun to watch

two bugs

I imagine as a speedrun it would be pretty cool, though.

Rapitor

i like it alot more than portal, It actually requires some thinking instead of just "this wall is white.. shoot a portal at it, you win"

two bugs

True. I felt like it had a lot more charm and character, but maybe not as much polish

Some of the puzzles just didn't inspire me the same way Portal's did.

It's still a very good game. If the worst thing I can say is "It's not as good as Portal 1", you should buy it :P

Some of these upcoming games I'm definitely not watching. Simon's Quest? Snore. DK64? No thanks

Blender Warrior

5:10 PM

@badp Lots of PS4

MadMAxJr

Quantum Conundrum does have a lot of Delancy voiceovers which are fun.

Rapitor

the only thing I liked about the portal series is the writing. the puzzling aspect was really bland and unmemorable

Blender Warrior

@Rapitor I don't think its that bad

two bugs

Really? I loved the portal aspect. I thought 1 was really well paced in that regard - you're always doing something new and interesting and then it's done and you're left wanting more.

Rapitor

not bad, but not great either.

Blender Warrior

5:11 PM

@Rapitor To be honest, its the best puzzling series i've gotten into

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It felt like it broke a lot of new ground for me in the FPP genre /shrug

Rapitor

the first few levels yeah. but it never really threw new stuff at you. Portal 2 was much better in that regard with the goops

Blender Warrior

Wasn't there a Portal 3?

two bugs

I'll give you orange and blue, but I thought the white goop was pretty poorly handled.

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior not so far

Blender Warrior

5:13 PM

Im supportive of Valve like Half Life

MadMAxJr

There's fan-made portal games but there's only Portal 1 and 2 from Valve.

Blender Warrior

Half Life led me to portal from advertisements

Valve has been teasing gamers lately

MadMAxJr

Lately? They've been teasing for years.

Blender Warrior

-.-

I only seen the teasing now

murgatroid99

HL2E2 came out almost 8 years ago

Blender Warrior

5:16 PM

I'm surprised its in the Game Informer Mag

@murgatroid99 I know HL2 but whats E2???

Episode 2

Episode 2.

Episode 2

The last Half Life game they released

GnomeSlice

Fuck

MadMAxJr

5:17 PM

Originally they were going to do episodic releases, but they never really made it work.

Blender Warrior

Episode 2

GnomeSlice

Play quantum conundrum if you liked portal

Blender Warrior

@GnomeSlice That game is decent.

GnomeSlice

Also Magrunner but it's a bit more hardcore

Decent? It was awesome.

Rapitor

@GnomeSlice SGDQ is destroying quantum conundrum right now.

cool to watch

Blender Warrior

5:19 PM

@GnomeSlice Its a indie game... ?

murgatroid99

@GnomeSlice that looks like fun

GnomeSlice

It is. Also narrated by whatsisname

Star trek guy

Why can't I remember his name

two bugs

Captain Kurt?

Blender Warrior

@GnomeSlice I don't find indie games fun

murgatroid99

John Delancie?

two bugs

5:21 PM

Or maybe Han Solo?

Unionhawk

Matt Damon?

Blender Warrior

I think Captain Kurt was cool

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior That's a very broad statement

GnomeSlice

Yeah him. And I thought you meant QC, Not magrunnet

badp

What is name. Baby introduce self, introduce self, I beg

two bugs

5:22 PM

@BlenderWarrior Are you the anti-GnomeSlice?

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 Sure is

@twobugs Sure am :D

GnomeSlice

Magrunner is a bit technically buggy but really nice environments and puzzles

Also cthulhu

murgatroid99

Yeah, I've played QC. Magrunner looks interesting

Blender Warrior

Indie games are childish to me...

GnomeSlice

@BlenderWarrior you just haven't played good indie games

@BlenderWarrior wtf

murgatroid99

5:23 PM

1 min ago, by murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior That's a very broad statement

Blender Warrior

If i can find one its usually bad...

Sterno

Poor Xbone

Rapitor

@Sterno ?

Blender Warrior

@GnomeSlice You don't think there childish?

Sterno

Barely better than the Wiiu

two bugs

5:24 PM

@Sterno More like poor Wii U

Blender Warrior

Ima find some for you later

Sterno

Yeah, but WiiU has shitty games

Xbone has a good chunk of the PS4 catalog

Rapitor

if you are referring to that chart. it's just % shipped that quarter

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior You know, you're likely the youngest person here

Rapitor

doesn't really say much

Blender Warrior

5:25 PM

@murgatroid99 I hope that doesn't mean much

Just trying to be as mature as I can

two bugs

@Sterno Begone, foul knave

Blender Warrior

and I said "trying"

Rapitor

@BlenderWarrior I will agree a vast majority are pretty bad, but when you find a good one, it's good

Private Pansy

That chart is pretty awful, actually.

Unionhawk

@PrivatePansy You're pretty awful

Rapitor

5:26 PM

rude.

Private Pansy

@Unionhawk Your face is pretty awful

Rapitor

rude.

Blender Warrior

@Rapitor I think Neon Shadow is good

Unionhawk

@PrivatePansy This is adjacent to the point

Private Pansy

@Unionhawk Your mum is adjacent to the point

Unionhawk

5:27 PM

@PrivatePansy Also correct

Blender Warrior

@Rapitor That's the best indie I played in my life time.....

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior You're right, it doesn't mean much. But you have to admit that there's some irony in the youngest person around passing judgement on "childishness"

GnomeSlice

We can continue this discussion later

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 True.

Private Pansy

@Unionhawk Why is your mother sitting beside the point anyway?

Lazers 2.0

5:28 PM

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GnomeSlice

I have to go back to work

Unionhawk

I couldn't begin to know

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 I think that everyone's thoughts aren't necessarily the same. So what I say is more than likely irrelevant to adults.

Wait a minute... how'd we get here...

two bugs

Let's agree that @Sterno hates happiness and fun.

Sterno

I hate joy.

5

Happiness is acceptable.

two bugs

5:31 PM

What are your feelings on fun?

GnomeSlice

Indie games are the shit

So much more creativity

Blender Warrior

@GnomeSlice Lame

Unionhawk

Creativity is overrated

Blender Warrior

I'll play Minecraft before I play another lame indie excuse me, i must go - lol

Unionhawk

Please

two bugs

5:32 PM

I feel like "indie games" are way too broad to really be generalized in any meaningful way. I've seen some that were just lazy cash-ins, and some that were really cool

Unionhawk

I prefer my games to be as uncreative and unimaginiative as possible

Private Pansy

@twobugs I feel that this conversation needs more than lazy generalizations and single word responses

Unionhawk

@PrivatePansy No

Rapitor

@GnomeSlice depends... since they are so simplistic, I usually find them to be less creative

Unionhawk

Okay I'm done not helping

Private Pansy

5:33 PM

@Unionhawk Your mom is no

two bugs

I prefer to just take a cement block and beat me own head with it until I pass out

Unionhawk

But I felt the comedic timing on that was pretty spot-on

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior wait...

Private Pansy

@Unionhawk It's 1.30am, and I'm about to pass out, so... your comedic timing is spot on. Also, your mom.

Unionhawk

Okay, now you're just being absurd

Blender Warrior

5:34 PM

@murgatroid99 Yes?

I liked how you said "wait..."

Sounds... official

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 It's okay, Minecraft isn't an indie game anymore. Or something.

Wait I said I was done not helping

Dammit @Uni

Private Pansy

@Unionhawk It's okay. Being terrible is part of who you are.

It comes naturally

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior Sorry, I was vague. Minecraft is one of the biggest indie games ever

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 Yes, I am aware that it was

I merely forgot.

Rapitor

@Unionhawk you're fired

Unionhawk

5:40 PM

@Rapitor NO U

murgatroid99

So, calling indie games "childish"/bad in general and then saying that you'd rather play Minecraft seems a little contradictory, don't you think?

Blender Warrior

Dem

@murgatroid99 No, not at all, in-fact...

James

Minecraft: The game the players like more than the creators

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 I said "some"

Now that word... is a very powerful word.

murgatroid99

19 mins ago, by Blender Warrior

Indie games are childish to me...

Where did you say "some"?

Blender Warrior

5:43 PM

How do i pull my history

@murgatroid99 I forgot how to do it...

Rapitor

murgatroid99

This entire conversation about indie games has been in the last half hour. Just scroll up

Blender Warrior

Hold on

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/23116166/history

murgatroid99

24 mins ago, by Blender Warrior

@GnomeSlice I don't find indie games fun

user15026

Indie games are not a genre

user15026

5:46 PM

Like I don't like FPS games, but that's a genre.

Blender Warrior

I know

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior You linked to the message history of a message in a different chat room

Blender Warrior

Alright, alright, alright

hugs all users

two bugs

Depending on who you ask, "indie" has a different meaning. I've heard some people say "indie means anything not Ubisoft, EA, or Microsoft".

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 Now I am being childish

two bugs

5:46 PM

Sony: Indie console developer

Blender Warrior

That's what an indie game is

user15026

@BlenderWarrior What is?

murgatroid99

@twobugs Nintendo: Indie console developer

two bugs

No wait, I think they included Activision instead of Microsoft

James

My definition of most indie games: Someone thinks of a game mechanic but doesnt know how to turn it into a game so calls it indie and sells it for $5

Blender Warrior

5:47 PM

@AshleyNunn Indie games lol

user15026

To me indie is a word that has really lost all meaning

Rapitor

my definition of indie = no outside help from publishers and/or investors. it was independantly made

Yuuki

Valve: indie game developer. Wait no, Valve doesn't make games.

user15026

@BlenderWarrior I don't even know what you're saying anymore.

Unionhawk

It's like roguelike

two bugs

5:48 PM

@BlenderWarrior wat

"indie game is indie game"?

user15026

Like you're discounting a HUGE pile of the current gaming market as "childish" with no real basis

James

@AshleyNunn It basically surmises up to being a small team of developers now a days :)

user15026

@James That makes sense

Blender Warrior

@AshleyNunn Look at minecraft

Unionhawk

looks at Minecraft

Okay

I am looking at Minecraft

Jason Berkan

5:49 PM

@Unionhawk Yup. That word has lost all meaning as well.

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn Tautologies are tautologies.

Unionhawk

Awaiting further instructions

Rapitor

i don't wanna look at minecraft. it's ugly

Blender Warrior

I prefer a mature game like Ubisoft

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@BlenderWarrior I think you have skipped a key step in your logic here

James

5:49 PM

Roguelike just means Randomly Generated

Blender Warrior

@Rapitor Thank you!!!!!

James

and if people use it in a non randomly generated manner that should be false advertising

Blender Warrior

Omg, someone understands

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@James It is the year 2016: any game with a failstate is considered a roguelike

Rapitor

what do i understand

wat

user15026

5:49 PM

@BlenderWarrior no, he jsut thinks MC is ugly, I don't think he understands his point

James

@twobugs Oooo How is it in the future? :)

Yuuki

@James Roguelike should mean "a game that is like Rogue".

Jason Berkan

If you call your game roguelike and my avatar is not this: @ - you are lying.

Rapitor

@AshleyNunn who's point.

Blender Warrior

@AshleyNunn Oh, my bad

Yuuki

5:50 PM

But I have done waaaaaay more than enough arguing on this point.

two bugs

@BlenderWarrior Uh. I don't think many people disagree that Minecraft is lacking in aesthetics.

This is getting silly

James

@Yuuki Yeah I was annoyed when non dungeon crawling games called themselves roguelike

But.. well.. FTL made me think its ok to change it to where its a random world

Blender Warrior

@twobugs Lol sighs

James

Minecraft is roguelike :)

Rapitor

minecraft is ugly, and it was designed that way

Jason Berkan

5:51 PM

@James kick-mutes @James

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@James As predicted, MGSV is the greatest game ever made. Kojima has been declared king of the world and has been officially granted immortality

Blender Warrior

Well I said "Indie games are childish", it has nothing to do with Minecraft

Yuuki

It's always weird how people consider procedural map generation as the one quality that is "roguelike", whereas I always felt the fun (and key) part was the item identification system.

Rapitor

also probably because Notch can't art

Unionhawk

@BlenderWarrior So should I stop looking at Minecraft?

Blender Warrior

5:51 PM

Also because Minecraft isn't an indie anymore

Unionhawk

I'm glad the word "roguelike" started a separate argument about what "roguelike" means

Blender Warrior

I would rather play MC than any other Indie out there

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior Maybe you should just step back and say, in a single sentence, what the point is that you're trying to make.

Unionhawk

@BlenderWarrior It started as an independent project, it's a small development team. Yes it very much is at this point still.

Jason Berkan

Now let's argue about what a rougelike is.

badp

5:52 PM

TAKES A ROGUE TO TELL A ROGUELIKE

Blender Warrior

@JasonBerkan Ok im first

James

@twobugs Sounds fun but limiting

Yuuki

@JasonBerkan A rougelike would be any lightish red color.

James

cant we have the greatest games every made across many genres so we dont get bored? :)

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@Yuuki Damnit I was typing this up

GnomeSlice

5:53 PM

There are lots of non childish indies

Unionhawk

@twobugs @Yuuki made the joke first. @twobugs is deducted 30 points

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 How?

GnomeSlice

This guy is a clown

user15026

@BlenderWarrior You are literally discounting a HUGE market based on...what, exactly?

Rapitor

@GnomeSlice like hatred!

Blender Warrior

5:53 PM

@AshleyNunn Childishness

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior I don't know. You're the one who's trying to make a point nobody else understands

James

@GnomeSlice Don't be hatin!

user15026

@BlenderWarrior Can you define that please?

James

But this whole discussion is childish and hard to take seriously :D

badp

ROGUE IS WHAT ROGUELIKE

user15026

5:54 PM

Because chances are whatever you think it is isn't what it actually is.

James

@AshleyNunn Stop feeding the troll

All of ya.. stop feeding the troll

Blender Warrior

@AshleyNunn Well its a game for kids

user15026

resists urge to quote Princess Bride

GnomeSlice

Not sure if clown or troll

Rapitor

nah man it's fun

Unionhawk

5:54 PM

All right, I've had enough of this nonsense

murgatroid99

@James I'm not actually sure he's trolling

Blender Warrior

@AshleyNunn That's what I've been trying to say

James

@AshleyNunn Do it! Ill Star it! Cause I know what the quote is!

@murgatroid99 He's never changing what he says, at all, never explains anything, just keeps the conversation going

user15026

We are going in circles.

James

Either he is trolling and doing it well pushing everyones buttons

Or he needs to rethink what he is saying

Either way, continuing the circle as @AshleyNunn pointed out, is pointless

and at worst, we are feeding a troll for no reason.

So... how about that announcement of Firefall coming to the PS4 eh? :)

Unionhawk

5:55 PM

Firewho?

Yuuki

> "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

Rapitor

what about xb1

James

@Rapitor They only said PS4 at China Joy (their game show)

Rapitor

interest remains 0

user15026

I need there to be some new awesome 3DS related stuff.

two bugs

5:56 PM

@AshleyNunn Agreed. I mean, aside from MHX :P

Yuuki

@James This is why people on my ignore list tend to stay on my ignore list.

badp

@James unconceivable

GnomeSlice

Outlast isn't childish

James

@Yuuki No it was going to be i dont think that word means what you think that word means.

Blender Warrior

All im saying Indie games are for kids, is that clear enough?

user15026

5:57 PM

@twobugs I want that new Mario and Luigi game

user15026

@BlenderWarrior No, because that makes no sense as a judgement.

Yuuki

@James I know. That's why I quoted that line instead.

James

@BlenderWarrior Clearly people disagree.. what else is new.. Lets move on :)

two bugs

@AshleyNunn Which one? I think my friend got it. It sounds pretty neat.

user15026

You're discounting hundreds of styles, genres, publishers, etc.

James

5:57 PM

@Yuuki LoL! Well no star for you sorry :D

Unionhawk

@BlenderWarrior And we are saying you could literally not be more incorrect

user15026

@twobugs I forget the name, because I am great like that.

two bugs

@AshleyNunn Me too :P

Dream Team? Or is that an older one

Blender Warrior

@Unionhawk Everyone thinks i'm insulting more than one genre, how?

Impossible

Yuuki

@James But that's Seinfeld.

Unionhawk

5:58 PM

Because indie isn't a genre

murgatroid99

@BlenderWarrior because indie isn't a genre

user15026

@twobugs Dream Team is older, it was AMAZING

Blender Warrior

@murgatroid99 Oh I see

Unionhawk

Hell, there are AAA games designed for kids, what's your point

Yuuki

Ahahaha, the bounty drops for one-eyed gnolls is a half-empty bottle of eyedrops.

Blender Warrior

5:59 PM

@Unionhawk So how do I take what I said back?

James

@Yuuki Sorry I was never a fan

Good moments does not a great story make

Unionhawk

And there are indie games that are designed for psychopaths

Rapitor

@Unionhawk skylanders

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@AshleyNunn It sounded good, I heard it had kind of long tutorials or something? But the M&L games are awesome anyway so I should pick it up

Rapitor

@Unionhawk minecraft

Unionhawk

5:59 PM

(looking at you hatred)

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My favorite was probably Bowser's Inside Story. That was a fun game

Yuuki

@James But why would you quote them if you're not a fan?

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